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Sandbox – 19aug15

19 August 2015

[Hillary's emails and Obama's Iran giveaway, both are going to overheat. Yet some think that Obama may be rehabilitated enough by next spring to become an invited campaigner for Democrat candidates. If true, then "… you can fool enough of them all the time." will be confirmed again. gjr]

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213 responses to “Sandbox – 19aug15”

Gregory

21 August 2015

“So what! I could care less about the Democrats, they are just republican lite to me.”
Joke, it would be fine by me if 2016 split the “progressive”/democratic socialist Left away from the Democratic Party, which would again make the DP safe for the Libertarian middle to rejoin.
Progressives untethered could do what they do best, producing tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Be sure to give Ben a column in the local newsletter.

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Bill Tozer

21 August 2015

Walt @ start the fire time around 7:21pm
….And Sanders sounded today like he was having a LSD-25 flashback (liquid form) and his melon is so far off the surface that he was sleeptalking on the fluffy white pretty clouds. Said how horrible austerity is and how gawd awful terrible it is that the lenders of billions more dollars won’t sit down and renegotiate the payback terms on their current insurmountable “renegotiated terms” mountain of debt.
Yo Bernie, WTF is going on in that empty void in your noggin? When is that pimple between your shoulders going to form into a head??
Newsflash pinko: Even if all the debt was forgiven, Greece needs to keep borrowing just to eat tomorrow. They haven’t paid anything back unless they borrowed money to pay back a small percentage of the debt, and spent the lion’s share on what Socialist countries do best. They run out of other people’s money. Yo, Bernie my Man, their word and IOUs are worthless and nilch, zilch to back it up. Like no collateral. Greece is toxic. Yo Bernard, you Space Cadet, renegotiate from hell to kingdom come OR how about saying NNnnnnnooooo. No is a complete sentence. Give them a clean slate and say “no mass, you guys figure it out.”
On the other side of the universe, Trump says Greece is low priority and is peanuts to a country like Germany to deal with. The EU can handle this little gnat. Like somewhere in the lower near the bottom spot on the list of 100 things the U.S. should jump into.
Headline reads: For all practical purposes, Trump and Bernie are the front runners.

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Todd Juvinall

21 August 2015

Someone said Jeb Bush flew a plane with a Elect Jeb banner over the trump shindig in Bama. Anyone hear that?

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Bill Tozer

21 August 2015

Joe the Klingon on Uranis:
So, you are not a Republcrat nor a Demorat. Yep, I heard ya the 19th time. I agree you are neither of two those hideous creatures. You are not a Repubicrat, you a always Joe the Kranky. Ok, Klingon, do you like Sen. Sanders or Sen. Screeching Squaw Warren better? Or maybe it is yet to be conceived in the mind of man what would be your ideal choice of a candidate. Me? I vote for flawed humans cause that is what all people are, candidates or not.

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Bill Tozer

21 August 2015

Well, guess they haven’t heard about Walt’s border control cans of Smell Good. That’ll stop them in the tracks. Look where they are coming from. My gawd, don’t let them anywhere near civilized societies.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34024734

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Bill Tozer

21 August 2015

And now, something our liberal friends can mull over. Maybe come will cream their jeans. Quite informative to me looking at the composition of the left.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/this-is-how-bernie-sanders-could-win/

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fish

22 August 2015

From Crabbs:
Steven Frisch says:
August 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm
“What brilliant logic: when you have a disaster that could have been prevented, blame those who have been trying to clean it up.”
That is right Chris, the people trying to clean up abandoned mines leaching toxins into our environment are clearly the ones responsible for the problem, if one were to listen to the wing nut peanut gallery of Nevada County.
Reply
Yeah….it’s completely crazy….and frankly, mean spirited, un-mutual, antisocial and certainly oppressive, suppressive, and repressive…..to blame the EPA over the toxic blowout!
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150822/us–mine_waste_leak-b78be0620f.html
“Much of the text in the documents released Friday was redacted by EPA officials”.
Yeah…..crazy.

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Joe Koyote

22 August 2015

In the “pot calling the kettle black” department comes this: Ann Coulter tweeted a message about Bill O’Reilly’s interview with Trump under the hashtag “GoodGodHesStupid”, referring to O’Reilly’s criticism of Trump’s immigration plan. The right’s motto should be “the blind leading the blind.”

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

Tell that to all the young black men without jobs because illegal aliens come take their jobs. Those illegals are hired by those liberal 1%ers to mow their lawn and take care of their kids. You liberals are ridiculous and the American people are now going to send you to obscurity.
Coulter is a no-hold-bars writer and commentator. But when a conservative speaks the truth the left has to shut them up.

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Walt

22 August 2015

So where did Joe find that? We know damned well he didn’t get it from Ann. or O’Reilly.
Trump sure pack them in last night.
It’s turning into a race between an American values guy VS a Commie Pinko. Hillary is soon to be jail bound.
The LIB press is getting bi*ch slapped.

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 August 2015 at 09:50 AM
Seriously Todd don’t you know which industries hire illegal aliens or who the 1 % is?
The largest employers of illegal aliens are:
1) the building and construction industry
2) the agricultural industry
3) the hospitality industry
4) the manufacturing industry
Do you seriously think the ‘liberal 1%’ hire illegal aliens to mow their lawns? If you do you are a lot stupider than I thought you were. They are hired almost exclusively by American businesses who profit from cheap labor.

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

I suggest you read Adios America by Ann Coulter for a current update. Golly, illegals in the “shadows” as you libs like to say are now real stats? Jeeze you are too stupid Frisch to know how ridiculous you are here.

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 August 2015 at 10:11 AM
I have no doubt that there are some illegals hired by the ‘liberal [portion] of the 1%’ but the reality is that Republican leadership is just as invested, and probably more so, in maintaining cheap labor through illegal immigration as any other sector of our society.
Oh, and I have read one Ann Coulter book and found it ludicrous in its sourcing. Ms. Coulter is a cartoon. And of course there are statistics out there on the hiring of illegal workers….one just has to give a shit about actual facts to find them.

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

You should then start giving one for facts. You don’t like Coulter because the facts she sites are true and referenced as yours are not. When you develop some intelligence get back to us. Jeeze what a fool!

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George Rebane

22 August 2015

Speaking of the 1%, I’m not sure that they consist primarily of wealthy conservative capitalists. In fact, since making money in an open society does not require knowledge beyond that required to generate wealth, more and more narrowly educated wealthy people have been drawn into the Collectivist Chorus in recent years.
I wonder what proportion of the 1% are selling the rope to our aspiring socialist cum communist masters that they will then use to hang not only the rope merchants but also many others ideologically unreliable, while paupering the remainder. Any ideas on that stat?

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Walt

22 August 2015

Hay Steve, How bout the SOCAL city that hired an illegals?
http://downtrend.com/71superb/two-illegal-aliens-named-commissioners-of-california-city
Only in a LIB town.

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Don Bessee

22 August 2015

Entering the country without papers is a crime as is hiring them. How about we enforce all the laws. Remember in the last ‘amnesty’ deal there was a significant border protection plan that made it palatable, yet it was never built. Much like the deal Saint Ronnie trusted and got burned on.

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Gregory

22 August 2015

They took our jobs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUTnNKhF-EU
Trump’s speech to the people of South Park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHNk0-7hW3U

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Don Bessee | 22 August 2015 at 11:00 AM
You might also remember Don that the last attempt to address illegal immigrations, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, was proposed by President George W. Bush and supported by centrists in both the Republican and Democratic parties in Congress, but failed because it was opposed by right wing Republican interest groups and our modern day radio Father Coughlins.
The provisions of that Act are almost exactly what many current Republican candidates are admitting will be the compromise eventually reached on immigration reform, including heightened border security, limited dream act provisions, a guest worker and visa program, and a much higher level of qualification for applying for citizenship.
If Republicans had supported the Bush (II) reform plan we would be down the road on implementation now….but instead nothing was done…
By the way, I say by all means, lets arrest and put in jail all the businesses and individuals who hire illegal workers….I would love to see the fallout…because the primary hirers of illegal workers are largely ideologically conservative industries..
Oh and George, I did not say the 1 % is conservative capitalists…there are a lot of liberal capitalists in that group…

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George Rebane

22 August 2015

StevenF 1112am – Never accused you; we all know that there are liberal capitalists. I just wondered about the fraction of the vilified 1%.

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fish

22 August 2015

You might also remember Don that the last attempt to address illegal immigrations, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, was proposed by President George W. Bush and supported by centrists in both the Republican and Democratic parties in Congress, but failed because it was opposed by right wing Republican interest groups and our modern day radio Father Coughlins.
Yeah…..and this is probably the final nail in the presidential hopes of ¡Jeb!. Wrong time both economically and certainly politically to let Progressivism inc.™ import their electoral majority.
If Republicans had supported the Bush (II) reform plan we would be down the road on implementation now….but instead nothing was done…
…and by implementation you mean funding those things that expand imports (more Central Americans) and not funding all the things that are promised regarding control.
Sorry guys it’s already been decided by both the political and business “powers that be” that importing millions of the needy and low dollar scut labor is good both for the business and political classes.

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 22 August 2015 at 11:23 AM
My guess is the fraction of ‘liberal 1 %ers is pretty high George. It would be interesting to get real data.
Many of the 1% I know are left-libertarian, some conservative, and minority liberal. My guess is the 1% are less predictable in their belief systems across social, fiscal and security policy issues than the typical American is…that is totally anecdotal though.
I don’t necessarily trust either of the sources in this NYT article, but its a beginning..
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/the-politics-of-the-1-percent/?_r=0

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Larry Wirth

22 August 2015

It’ll be fun to see this thing thru. If the R’s who love illegals for their profitability are shut down, they will adjust in the form of higher prices. If the D’s who love them for their voting potential are shut down, they’re screwed for the future. Let’s see who fights hardest to keep the doors open for illegal immigration. Oh, right, we already know. L

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: fish | 22 August 2015 at 11:30 AM
Under Bush II it would have taken at least a decade and in the vast majority of cases two decades before those being granted entrance could have become voters and most never would, only their children would.
My guess is that if Bush had been the one to crack the immigration reform nut a much higher proportion of those earning the vote a decade hence would have been Republicans.
Instead nothing happened.
But you bring up a good point, as long as the Republican Party is captured by its anti-immigrant faction that is also perceived to be nativist and racist, you have a lot to fear from Latino’s voting, ala’ Prop 187. Republicans might win an election, but they will lose the demographic for election cycles to come. The reality is there are millions of Latino voters in the pipeline already and they by-and-large can’t stand the Republican party.
It would be much wiser for the Republican party to learn to like Latino’s, African-Americans and women in the long run; if not they are going to bury you at the polls eventually.

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

The 2007 “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” was defeated by a conservative/union alliance.

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 August 2015 at 11:42 AM
Yes, but Unions could never have carried the day in that fight and every Democrat knew it. It was Nazi talk radio that defeated the 2007 bill.

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

True, the Air America Nazi’s were pretty effective.

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George Rebane

22 August 2015

StevenF 1140am – The imminent if not immediate demise of the Republican Party has been predicted for at least the last twenty years. Given today’s composition of Congress, Obama’s economy, composition of state legislatures, the number of Republican state governors, etc can you and yours share the most recent date of that demise, so that we may at least have time to prepare for the funeral?

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fish

22 August 2015

…… you have a lot to fear from Latino’s voting, ala’ Prop 187. Republicans might win an election, but they will lose the demographic for election cycles to come. The reality is there are millions of Latino voters in the pipeline already and they by-and-large can’t stand the Republican party.
I have nothing to fear from a latino majority as I’m not republican and mix fairly freely in the community. As you mentioned the republicans probably do, as do environmentalists, feminists, and the democrats pet demographic the African American community.
It’s going to be oh so entertaining to see you guys present “the bill” for 100 years of progressivism to the new tenants!

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 22 August 2015 at 11:54 AM
I did not say ‘imminent’ George, I said eventual.
The real answer to your question lies in the electoral collage and state elections. Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and increasingly Florida (from non-Cuban latinos) (and soon even Arizona–I predict 12-14 years) which cumulatively have about 50 electoral votes, are shifting demographics so quickly that these states, once firmly in the Republican electoral column, are now in play and probably lean Democratic for many years to come.
The problem for Republicans is that Democrats have more votes in the electoral college ‘bank’; they start with roughly 230 electoral college votes to the Republicans roughly 190, which means Republicans have to work harder to get to 270, which means more money, at the same time the demographics in the most battleground states are shifting to more latino votes.
As these states shift the Democratic electoral votes increase to 280.
The Republicans could offset the problem in the intermountain west and Florida if the focused more on taking away Democratic states, but the policies they are pursuing are unlikely to do that right now–Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania (lean blue), North Carolina (lean red) and Iowa, but that is going to be a lot of work.
Demographics are favoring Democrats.

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fish

22 August 2015

Demographics are favoring Democrats.
Which is why importation will continue.

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George Rebane

22 August 2015

StevenF 1212pm – “Demographics are favoring Democrats” – agreed, and long discussed in these pages. George Friedman of Stratfor wrote an extremely prescient book on the topic. That and other such analyses support the Rebane Doctrine’s Great Divide proposition.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/02/the-next-100-years.html

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Walt

22 August 2015

LIBS say “we need the illegals”.(uh, NO we don’t.) LIBS said “we need 15 bucks an hour min wage”. Well,, in some places they got it, and it’s backfired in spades. Those working welfare types,( some,, not all) want less hours ” we are losing out welfare goodies”.
Others are just getting fired. ” HAY we can’t pay you all anymore”. Or the shop keepers are closing shop altogether. Maybe they should have hired illegals… Right Steve?
Funny how LIB unions are all for the steep min. wage, yet demand an exemption for their own. ( those are for the other guy to pay)

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fish

22 August 2015

Posted by: Walt | 22 August 2015 at 12:24 PM
Votes for TEAM EVIL
Expanded markets for TEAM STUPID (fronting for corporate interests)

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

My grandaughter is half Mexican and we all had breakfast last week during the Fair. She was a flaming lib (college student) and we had spirited discussions when I visited her and family in San Jose. Seems now though she may be wavering. Talking about a auto accident where a Mexican illegal hit her and crunched her car and sent her to the chiropractor. Anyway, the illegal had no insurance, registration or license (but was on all kinds of government assistance) and all the cops and the legal system did was turn her loose! After some discussion on what illegals get over true citizens, she said “maybe I am becoming a Republican”!

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

So where do I find Walt and his BBQ tomorrow?

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fish

22 August 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 22 August 2015 at 12:18 PM
I’m a little skeptical about Mr. Friedman predictive abilities given that he also penned a tome positing a war with Japan back in 1992. He can take a “Mulligan” I suppose.
Might I suggest Kaplans “The Coming Anarchy” in its stead.
(Pretty sure you can pluck a .pdf copy on line for free. If not let me know and I’ll see that you get it)

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Walt | 22 August 2015 at 12:24 PM
“LIBS say “we need the illegals”.(uh, NO we don’t.) LIBS said “we need 15 bucks an hour min wage”. Well,, in some places they got it, and it’s backfired in spades.”
I would love to see you back that statement up with something other than opinion columns Walt. The two major jurisdictions with minimum wage laws affecting all workers (LA and Seattle) have not even started yet and don;t reach $15 for between 4-7 years. NYC’s right now is for fast food workers.

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Walt

22 August 2015

Your search tool broke Steve?

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Walt

22 August 2015

It’s not my BBQ,, just dropping of some fall off the bone goods.( by request)
PV park today.

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Walt

22 August 2015

Some “welfare” for Steve.( too damned lazy to look himself)
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldavis/2015/07/24/seattle-dealing-with-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-n2029482
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/22/seattle-sees-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-as-other-cities-follow-suit/
http://www.iwf.org/blog/2797717/Minimum-Wage-Hike-Backfire:-Some-Seattle-Workers-Asking-to-Have-Their-Hours-Cut-
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/04/30/and-here-is-as-we-said-the-effect-of-seattles-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-on-employment/
Enjoy the read.

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fish

22 August 2015

The two major jurisdictions with minimum wage laws affecting all workers (LA and Seattle) have not even started yet and don;t reach $15 for between 4-7 years. NYC’s right now is for fast food workers.
And this will allow further penetration by automation into the “low skill” arena. I’m not sure anybody working the line at McDonalds will ever see $15/hour.
Of course this means more dependents for TEAM EVIL……see Walt….a feature not a bug!

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Walt

22 August 2015

Love it. Crickets as loud as a wood chipper from Steve.
Doc. Don has the goods.

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George Boardman

22 August 2015

Why aren’t those rock-ribbed Republican California farmers joining the chorus to expel all illegals in the U.S.? Because they will be out of business if Trump’s immigration plan is ever implemented. If you think the Central Valley’s in had shape, just wait until all of the farm worker disappear.
Here’s another question for those cheering on The Donald: Do you really want the feds knocking on your door looking for illegals? If you want to get every illegal in the country–and I personally know of two from England and Ireland–Trump’s dragnet will have to extend well beyond the barrios and other places illegals from south of the border are known to congregate.
Do you really want the government you don’t trust on your property?

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fish

22 August 2015

Why aren’t those rock-ribbed Republican California farmers joining the chorus to expel all illegals in the U.S.?
You’re the journalist….haven’t you asked them?

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Todd Juvinall

22 August 2015

Trump says legal is no problem. So if the government issues work visa for seasonal work, I see no problems. Also since GeorgeB knows a couple of white Euros here illegally, have they been on the public dole? And what is your obligation GeorgeB to alert the authorities about these lawbreakers?

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Walt

22 August 2015

Doc. You falling for the scare tactics? There will always be plenty of legal farm laborers
to be had. Don’t forget that machinery is also taking the place of stoop labor. Grapes are now being harvested by machine. Farmers are doing well with “less”.
Illegals are not just doing the “unskilled” work. They are taking jobs I would take, which helps keep me unemployed. Yes,, Right here. First hand knowledge my friend, and there is not a thing at the moment that can be done about it. They have “amnesty”, and now driver’s licences. The worst part is their bragging about it.
Our farmers seem to have done just fine long before “legal” illegals were “hip”.
Now all of a sudden there is a problem??

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Oh, Walt, there are just so many ways that the articles you posted fall into the category of ‘opinion’ and not fact based reporting that the examples are almost too many to cite.
For example, the first article says, “Government data show that the law has not succeeded in moving people off of government assistance. In March, Seattle’s Basic Food program supported 130,851 people. In April, the number was 130,376.”
What ‘government data’, no source is cited.
Perhaps the author of the article would like to address the fact that the data they don’t cite a source for is from March 2015, but the minimum wage law did not go into effect until April of 2015?
The second article at least cites a primary source, but no supporting data, and no direct statement from any employee who actually asked for fewer hours, which any decent reporter would have done. They do however cite as a secondary source the appropriately named Jasan Rantz, who is an opinion radio talk show host.
The third article is merely citing the second article as though it is an un-impeachable source (which is the beginning of the next step in the logical fallacy being constructed—create a source that is not supported, report on it, report on the reporting, and treat it like fact.)
The final article at least cites another primary source but it attributes the purported decline in restaurants in Seattle to the wage hike, which had only been in effect for 3 weeks when he wrote the article, and does not address the fact that the decline in restaurants could have been due to other factors, like business management, a decline in the economy, new competition or lease costs (Seattle has seen an almost 10% increase in lease rates in prime locations this year). Thus although he could be correct he did not do the work.
All of this really is to illustrate how you make statements that are basically opinion, seek sources to support your opinion, rely on an echo chamber repeating opinions as ‘news’ and fail to recognize that a truly empirical or logical process is required to support an opinion.

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Steven Frisch

22 August 2015

Posted by: Walt | 22 August 2015 at 02:11 PM
Walt if your friends in the construction industry are not hiring you because your labor rates are too high perhaps you should drop your rates? Mr. Boardman is entirely correct that you don;t see rock ribbed Republican framers clamoring for immigration reform, nor do you see it in the largely Republican non-unionized construction industry. So really you have no one but your friends to blame.
Of course you could always unionize and demand higher wages….:)

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George Boardman

22 August 2015

It is estimated that as many as 40 percent of the people in this country illegally came here on student, work and other visas but didn’t return home when they expired.
I knew an Indian in college who was sent here on a government scholarship to study accounting. After four years in the U.S., he didn’t want to go back to India. He disappeared the day after he received his diploma; an employee of the Indian embassy visited his apartment two days later looking for him.
I don’t know what happened to him, but I’ll bet he’s still in the U.S. Heck, he might even be a citizen by now.
The illegals I knew from Ireland and England were gainfully employed when I last saw them 20-25 years ago. Todd, I’ll turn them in the day you report all of the illegals who did construction work for you over the years.

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