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To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil. – Charles Krauthammer

George Rebane

Students of American history agree that President Lincoln was the prime instigator of federalism’s decline and the growth of Washington’s power over our land and lives.  That the times called for such a reorientation of our body politic is still being debated, but the assumption of the path to collectivism is today denied only by those most ardently at work who promote progress on that same path.


Prior to our misnamed Civil War, America was a more or less cohesive society as far as governance was concerned.  Washington affected little of what went on in the states and counties, and even in the territories – of course, transportation and communication technologies of the times had a lot to do with that.  Visitors to our land observed, spoke, and wrote of the marvelous local control of their lives that was maintained by that cohesive and copasetic population.  The only apparent fly in the ointment was slavery, but ultimately that was enough to rend the country which required the first modern continental war to stitch it back together into a form in which all the pieces have still not knit correctly.  And that itself gave rise to many people looking for Washington to keep applying more stitches in an attempt to recreate a cohesive but now compliantly conformable country.

That such a direction was for the benefit of society took strong root in Europe after the French Revolution.  By mid-19th century political philosophers (e.g. Marx, Bastiat) were in full debate over the benefits and faults of collective vs liberal governance.  And by the end of that century organized movements toward what we may call popular or democratic collectivism, anticipating a global scale, were in full swing contributing much to the angst of strong authoritarian central governments.  For the first time in history, the common man was taught and came to believe that he was due a much larger share of his nation’s wealth, and perhaps even the wealth of neighboring nations.  In the 20th century we witnessed the deaths of nearly half a billion people in the quest by sovereign nation-states to emplace and exercise collective power over individuals.

After WW2 the world shattered into more sovereign nations, which number again multiplied after Soviet communism collapsed as the last century ended with America as the world’s unquestioned leading hegemon.  But in the last twenty-five years that fragmentation has stopped and movements are afoot to again accrete territories by force so as to again create large global hegemons.  Curiously in this process America has donned the heavy Mantle of Past Sins, and is doing everything possible to rapidly become the last among equals while choosing the now obvious policy of leading from behind – which is to say, not leading at all.  And as that beat goes on, it continues to divide us into cohorts that wish America to become a compliant global citizen – a 'peer among peers' – and those who wish America to remain the exceptional sovereign nation-state and beacon of benevolent governance that it has been for the last two centuries.

However, as I have attempted to make the case here for some years now, such a future for us as a strong Westphalian state is becoming less likely with every passing year.  Ever since the late 1940s, when the American socialists folded their party in favor of the Democrats, our political center of gravity has been moving steadily leftward.  The overwhelming cause of this has been the ideological course of the progressives (cum socialists), now fully in charge of the Democratic Party, but also the contributing come-along compliance of the Republican leadership, ever willing to trade principle for propitious polling.  One can and I still do argue that the Right has not moved leftward nearly as far as has the Left in our country.  But given the astute assumption of control over public service (government and education) unions by the Left, the electorate has become appropriately gruberized (a most timely label to describe the aggregate intellect) during the span of the last two generations.  Most all of us look to Washington for some part of our daily maintenance and quality of life.  And our local political leaders are today more facile than ever in convincing us that there is no hope for halting the growth of Leviathan; all we can do is pop an occasional palliative by passing a proposition or initiative expressing our will to be overturned later by the courts.  Best to go along to get along, and get used to it.

I was talking to the wife of a prominent leader in local government last night.  She is an educated working woman like so many today who proudly announce their disdain for politics and things political.  I asked her how she informed herself in order to vote, and she answered that just before the election she reads the online editions of the nation’s popular news magazines  – “Time, Newsweek, and US News”.  In the interval, the lady manages her daily affairs which include volunteering in community organizations that all bend leftward.  And she is typical - there are so many of such good people who give no thought to how in such organizations they are constantly bathed in an ideology that not only successfully resists examination, but also does not reveal its presence, while the organizations resolutely maintain that they are apolitical.

A correspondent alerted me to a recent piece by Joel Kotkin – ‘More local decisions usurped by ideological regulators’ – that focuses on a corroborating aspect of the above commentary.  In it he writes –

Nothing is more basic to the American identity than leaving basic control of daily life to local communities and, as much as is practical, to individuals. The rising new regulatory regime seeks decisively to change that equation. To be sure, there is a need for some degree of regulation, notably for basic health and public safety, as well as maintaining and expanding schools, parks, bikeways and tree-planting, things done best when supported by local voters. … But the current regulatory wave goes well beyond traditional methodology. It reflects policies more akin to those central planners, who, as Chapman University researcher Alicia Kurimska suggests, dominated city planning in the once-massive Soviet bloc.

Kotkin’s essay is worth a read and reflection.

[update]  Given Trump's popularity before the debate, and his improved post-debate poll numbers now being released, I think it's important to bring up a long-held perception by local progressives (you know, the ones glued to MSNBC).  These neighbors have been denigrating our right-leaning commenters and your humble commentator for years as having fastened on to a sclerotic, closely held, and rare view of what has happened to our country and the direction on which it is currently hell bent.  In this we have gone to considerable lengths outlining our intense dissatisfaction with the direction Washington is taking us, and by imitation where Sacramento has similarly betrayed California.

Well, the Trump phenomenon has now put to rest the gross ignorance and baseless accusations that our views are those of out-of-touch angry curmudgeons stuck in some never-was past.  It turns out that there are tens of millions of our fellow Americans who share our disquieting assessments.  And so the question remains, who has been out of touch with the beliefs, attitudes, and experiences of a major cohort of Americans.  Will there be a mea culpa in the works?  Nah, not even close.  In light of how the other side thinks and reasons, none of this will impact their worldview one iota – bet on it, since their lamestream is already leading the way.

[11aug15 update]  Jo Ann and I attended Congressman Doug LaMalfa’s town hall meeting in GV City Council chambers this afternoon.  The seats were pretty much full of people deciding to spend a beautiful day listening to and talking with their MoC.  It turned out that, led by Nevada County Democratic Party Chairman Jim Firth, the hall was pretty much a get together of liberals.  In their turn they were surprised to see the congressman in Nevada County, and expressed their appreciation of the fact and their ability to talk to him in person.  That was the first hint of how out of touch those neighbors were with even local happenings.  LaMalfa is a regular presence in our county, and his visits are regularly announced in The Union and on KNCO.  Were I more focused on local issues, I would throw RR into that group, but alas, I have been remiss.

It was to be a two hour meeting – 230 to 430pm – but we were able to last until only 4pm when we quietly departed with severely bitten tongues.  It has been quite some time since I heard from so many ill-informed, and some just plain stupid, people all gathered in one room.

LaMalfa started the meeting with a review of salient points concerning the Iran deal, NorCal forest management and water issues (focusing on the proposed Bear River dam), and ‘climate change’.  That took only about 30 minutes and then he opened the floor to questions – hands sprung up like a field of weeds after an early spring rain.  The questions came from blatantly hard left neighbors, each wanting to make a speech about their heartfelt issue before a question on the topic could be pried out of them.  They all bared their worldviews and their strong indelible truths.  Could we have kept track, literally every progressive shibboleth, sound bite, and talking point was voiced.  And each person believed more firmly than the last that his recital contained God’s own truth (or the secular humanist’s moral equivalent of that).

The congressman kept his cool – no doubt having been through this kind of wringer before – and quietly, if not with some generous meandering, answered their various outrages.  Some of the more intense leftwingers reached their tolerance thresholds when they saw that they could not elicit a rise out of LaMalfa.  Individually and in small groups they began leaving the hall, some shouting that they had never heard such utter lies and propaganda before from a public official.  For them the debate was clearly over on more than just man-made global warming.

What struck me from their monologues, especially when they quoted purported facts, was how little they had read or been exposed to anything other than the emotional reports from their favorite priests.  Their voiced reasonings were twisted beyond comprehension, so much that I had to start thinking that this turnout was a biased sample that Mr Firth had somehow assembled for this afternoon.  These people could not be representative of the population of local Democrats, this had to be a particularly deprived assemblage.  But then again …

Finally, noting the absence of air sickness bags in the seat backs and still wanting to maintain decorum, we were forced to take a rather hasty leave after one poor lady launched into a tirade about the jails being filled with women arrested for killing their male partners because they were locked in abusive relationships which offered no other exit.  So this was our most recent exposure to the people who make our county politically ‘purple’.  God help us every one.

[12aug15 update]  Speaking of the looney left at yesterday's meeting, a correspondent who also attended sent me the following email – "I attended the LaMalfa townhall yesterday.  A little bit into the meeting, a person behind me started shouting at LaMalfa and calling him a propagandist etc.  The person sounded like a loon!  Screeching loudly as they left.  I did not turn around and so I did not know what the person looked like.  Now I read in the Union this morning it was Linda Campbell.  Honestly, this woman is on the school board?  She is nuts!  (she also sounded like a male voice as well)"  Ms Campbell has already left her unique mark on our community and in these pages (here).

 

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157 responses to “How the gulf between us widens (updated 12aug15)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s a quickie Let’s return to the good old days of hydraulic mining Gold rush days Or perhaps we can have dramatic reenactment of the genocide of the Native American populations that live in this region Or the hanging of Juanita in Downieville after a half hour trial eight hours after the alleged crime with no appeal Or we can celebrate the deforesting of the entire region that’s a pretty sight if you seen any of the photos Yeah good old gold rush days

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  2. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt, my advice to you is to get over your fantasy obsession of mining somehow returning to the area. Will not happen in our lifetimes. Your frustration will be perpetual. Gold mining is ot an economical business model in most of CA, much less in a developed, populated area. Gold prices are cratering, with the Chinese selling off gold to raise cash after their stock market disaster. Will be a long time until China has the hard cash to buy up a lot of gold again.

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  3. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So when was it the ‘jon’ claims to have laid eyes on the Nevada County Republican Party Booth at the Nevada County Fair?

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I know, I know it ot my business. 😉

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Heck Paul, let’s go back to the Cowboy and Injun days. Better than watching those whimpy acron eating peaceful vegetarian naked CA tribes. They are too laid back for me. Probably never took a scalp in their lives. Wait, let’s go back to the real ole Good old Days where there were no taxes and women did all the work. Then you drunkards from Europe came over and messed up a good thing.
    Mr. Paul, while I agree that going back to hydronic mining is impractical at best, we are talking about a few hour event called Gold Rush Days. Heck, you remember the 50′ and 60’s when GV would roll out the crap and poker tables on the 4th of July downtown and had kegs stacked up on the sidewalks. And for one day, a few red lights in the windows were allowed to be turned on. That was well after The Gold Rush Days.
    Geez. Are you saying no to Gold Rush Days? It’s not like somebody is going to run up a Conferedated Flag on some flagpole or reopen the mines. The crowd is always civil and respectful and half bored at times as they listen to another story about Lola and little Miss Crabtree two houses down.
    Well, so be it. Hope you don’t go off on the paleface’s naughty list at the Celtic Festival. Strike that. I would pay good Yankee dollars to see that artistic display.

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  6. RL Crabb Avatar

    Why not re-enact the manhunt for Wild Bill Ebaugh out there in Willow Valley? After Tobiason’s posse shot him dead they put his carcass on display in front of the courthouse. Bill wasn’t popular with the boys, mainly because he was popular with the girls. It used to be a touchy subject in Nevada City. Anyone who asked about it had their life threatened. Most of the culprits are dead now, and their heirs ain’t talking if know any of that history.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Clearly the demographic for whom TEAM EVIL desperately pines……..
    https://twitter.com/TillyTweets/status/608295717417959424/photo/1

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Did Lola really hide Black Bart under her corset?

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    BTW, Crabb had a nice tribute to the local tribes on his site. Very nice. Not surprisingly, we are discussing events that happened pre The War Between The States, and events immedately following. Some events continued well into the 20th Century. The Redman adjusting to European society is not a graceful transisition. Like the old saying, a child does not know they are poor until someone tells them. Neither was the miner’s life a romantic way of life. Just look at the local graveyards and they are full of markers of people who never saw 40 years of age on average. Old newspaper accounts reveal the preferred method of suicide was placing a good wad of gun powder wrapped in cloth in one’s mouth and lighting it. I am still taken back to this day when I stop at Yuba Gap and see where the early settlers block and tackled their wagons down the steep granite cliffs.
    I will lay off the CA tribes since I dwell in their former lands. The tribes of Ca’s Northern Costal regions stretching inland around Yreka are a different breed. Big boned. Tough as nails. You can thump on their thick skulls and it does not faze them. Born with good bones and good brain buckets protecting their melons. My kind of people and hard to take down without a knife, but I digress.
    History is what it is, be it good, bad, or indifferent. We may not rejoice in the atrocities of days gone by, (including hanging judges, treatment of The First Nations, raping of the land, etc.) but they preserved the sites where no-nos happened as State Parks. Go figure.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Poor “jon”.. someone hasn’t changed his “blue water” lately.
    There ARE some mines a’workin’. They may be small,, but they ARE operational.
    The price of gold ya’ say? Just like anything else, has it’s ups and downs. It’s still WAY above what it was before Obummer took office. ( 375.00 pre Obummer)
    Wall St. is again on thin ice because the FED is incompetent and the printing presses are running out of ink to prop up Wall St.
    Why is gold cheap in today’s LIB world? it’s getting sold because “someone” needs the cash.
    It’s going to go back up,, and how!
    It’s obvious you don’t understand economics, and the driving forces.
    “O”‘s corp. welfare days are numbered, and so is the artificial stack market gains.
    Your 5 digit 401K will be a three digit in the not too distant future.
    It will be back to Momma’s basement for you. ( that’s if you ever left)

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Now come on.. ” simple justice” kept the peace, and the jail for the town drunks.
    When all it took was three eye witnesses to a convict someone of a crime,(like a hold up, or horse theft) “plant’m where you catch’m” attitude kept crime low.
    Those that did see the inside of the court room, justice was swift. No two month trial,
    and two years to get there.
    See the story of the child molester in the local LIB rag today? I rest my case…
    Speaking of “crime”,, was that you “jon” who purloined Hillary from the fair in the dead of night? She would make a good addition to your shrine of all things LIB.

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  12. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt surmises I don’t understand economics…:)
    Good luck with those golden dreams of yours, Walt! Time to buy, buy, buy! LOL.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh good, Jon is back from his time out after his “factual” smackdown by Gregory. Figured Jon would do a mea cupa tour, but I underestimated his arrogance. No worries Jon. You don’t have to walk the gauntlet nor crawl across the bed of hot coals, nor ride the brass rail. Won’t even get stringed up on the Tree of Woe. Them savages would have sewn your eyelids open, smeared honey on your countenance, and placed you on one nasty mamba jamba massive ant hole. But, those days are gone as we have evolved past The Gold Rush San Francisco 49er Glory Days. Besides, them savages aren’t feeling too energetic after you and Steve poisoned them again.
    Boy Jon, you sure have a knack for stepping in it. What, that’s two now? First your committing a hate crime here and then defending and name calling others until proven that basis of your argument was just another Sand Castle built at low tide. Hey, perhaps you should discuss baseball next time. Third time is a charm, Urban Plowboy.

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    CCC!

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Well you finally got a clue. Yup, it’s not a bad time to buy gold. I don’t subscribe to the “jon” school of economics. “Buy high, sell low” Sooner or later the LIB scam called tesla will go tits up, because they lose money on every car they sell. Yes, when OPM has run out they are done. So buy all the stock you can in Tesla. They need suckers like you.
    Right now I’m looking to buy a few acres of land where gold is known to be found.
    A little home dig never hurts anyone.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Oh Walt, thinking the same thing.

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Seems we had quite a bit of a gulf on the issue of the number of illegal aliens in the US with our lefty contingent howling to high heaven about the numbers, quibbling in an effort to divert from the main issue. Well gang the former Mexican Ambassador to the US Arturo Sarukahn while on MSNBC discussing Trumps immigration plan said “If you deport the 30 million undocumented immigrants in the United States that’s going to cost you about 130 Billion dollars.” Sounds like the good Ambassador does not subscribe to the dem talking points. 😉

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don. Yep, that is the next round talking points coming down the pike in happy unison. Can’t deport them, can’t enforce our nation’s sovereignty cause it costs too much. Funny, I don’t recall that argument as we were flying in cargo planes of them in from Central America. That was so popular with the good citizens of The U.S. of A that the government had to hide them in warehouses and all employees were under the threat of termination if they uttered one word about “the children” being housed.
    That’s not exactly what any nominally sane person might call “The most transparent administration in the history of the Republic for which we stand.”

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Apparently Eisenhower deported hundreds of thousands of Mexicans in 1952 or some time in the 50’s. Caller “Operation Wetback”. Tom Sullivan talked about it yesterday. The military and other law enforcement rounded them up and took them 500 miles south of the border. When the others heard this was going on they self deported to the tune of millions.

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  20. Walt Avatar

    Another division is getting even wider. The GOP VS “Right” thinking voters.
    The GOP is in deep trouble. Us voters have turned into a herd of cats. We will do as we damned well please. ( we think for ourselves) Trump and the other two “outsiders” are what we want, and the GOP elite don’t like it. TOUGH TITTY!!
    The GOP attack dogs are getting the cold hose.
    As I predicted, Trump is out in front, and staying there.
    And our Lefty’s girl is getting closer to jail by the day. OH,, who will Hillary throw under the bus to save her her own hide?

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Hillary- ‘ I am shocked to learn of the radical upbringing of Huma and her families muslum brotherhood ties, had I known I would have never followed her advice to have my own server nor would I have given her special clearances and waivers.” Former presidential candidate Clinton. heeheehee

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  22. Walt Avatar

    Yes Don.. Hillary is sharpening the knives for back stabbing day.
    Plenty of banana peals to be scattered so someone will slip and fall.
    The Lefties are sure in for a world of hurt. Hell! “O” won’t even give Uncle Joe a good word. What next Have Gov. Moonbeam run?
    The Dem donkey has gone lame… Time to put it down. ( The dog food plant has already rejected it.)

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  23. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Lets not forget moonbeam has over 20 mill. in campaign fund leftovers.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    He’s saving that for his retirement.
    There is not enough money to be had to get a LIB elected.
    Even free weed for a vote didn’t work.

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  25. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My. First we find out today that Hillary’s server was a mom and Pop outfit. Cheapest bid I suppose. Then to make matters worse, we also find out the the Secretary of State’s server was keep in the bathroom in a closet. Hmmm. Sounds Presidential to me, not!
    At least the Dem’s are helping the enviroment.
    http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22344
    In other news, Walt’s Big Guy is cleaning the R’s whistles on 2 issues. 1) economy (handling the economy) like 45 to 12 over the closest challenger (Bush). 2). Immigration. Again, something like 49 to 8 or so over closest Republican, (Bush again).

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  26. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Breaking news! Just coming across the AP is Bill Clinton had a private server as well. Her name was Monica.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Bill.. Hes has MANY a “private” sever.. His security detail has been talking.
    Monica has been cast aside for the younger generation.

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  28. Walt Avatar

    Now for some real news. What will the ECO bastards say???? Soros is buying up all the BK coal stocks he can get. Soros help run them into the ground. What did “O” and Co. tell him?
    Maybe the EPA will lose and coal will be in demand again?

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt, perhaps I did not make myself clear. Hillary’s server was in a house in Denver in a bathroom closet. Now we find out it was unencrypted for months. If I would have known that, I would have drove to…nah, just possessing any of her top secret spy e-mails might be a federal offense in and of itself outside the State Department’s computers. Opps, did I say might? Silly me, I meant it IS felony. Negligence in handling classified info IS another felony. Lying to the FBI is a bigger felony than all the rest combined. Wonder if she can fold sheets just right like Martha Steward did. Heard when Martha left the pen, the towel cabinets were organized and labeled like nobody’s business.
    Best to let the FBI handle this treasonous case with the upmost delicacy. Hate to be a rumor monger.
    Mr. Walt, geez, there is more to life than just The Donald. There is also Hillary.
    http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22343

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Here we go again. The defenders of the downtrodden are once again sticking it to the least fortunate among us, aka, po folk. Great Father in Washington is snatching food out of poor children’s mouths and then turning the po folk upside down and shaking the few remaining pennies from their pockets. The Grim Reaper is growing larger by the day. A true Grinch that stole Christmas
    http://patriotpost.us/articles/36977

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  31. Walt Avatar

    Read that story on coal,Bill. But why is Soros buying up BK coal Co,s? There is a method to that madness. He is one greedy SOB. One drives a business into the ground to ruin it’s value for one of two reasons. he big one is to buy it at fire sale prices. HELL!! I just might buy 50 grand of Coal stocks. ( at about a buck a share at the moment) If it goes up two bucks I would make 100,000 grand overnight.( minus capital gains taxes)
    Soros knows something. He didn’t get rich by being stupid.
    But Mr. ECO buying dirty coal?? Who said LIBS aren’t hypocrites?

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Mr. BILL.. OH NOOOO!! Col. Sanders is ahead of Hillary! Yet he has as much chance of winning the W.H. as Charles Manson getting paroled, and a Gov.s pardon from Moonbat.
    Trump is well ahead in said “marathon” (as our good Doc describes).
    The professional pollster Mr. Luntz who predicted Trump going down in flames is eating his hat. ( want fries with that?)
    The more Trump gets attacked the better he does. The GOP better find religion and soon.
    As they say,, if you can’t beet’m,, join’m. ( Just like Great Great Great Grand Daddy did in the revolutionary war. ( he was a Redcoat… Smart move)
    So “jon”,,, just how is the GOP going to disqualify Trump? Seems your predictions are just as crappy.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Maybe they buy it, salvage it out, and keep the land. Then they sue the government for not having the proper regulations in place years ago, make millions and make Uncle Sam clean it up. Then they part it out to make little Bee Hives for po folk to abide in Eco Paradise. One thing for certain: they ain’t making anyone land, so dirt is King. Well, nobody is growing land except the Chinese with their homemade islands, thus legally stretching their boundaries.
    It’s all has to do with payback for skin privilege. Or hard cold cash.
    http://patriotpost.us/opinion/37052

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  34. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Hey Walt, I am a Trump supporter for the Republican nomination from the start. Go Donnie Go! The Repubican Party will go down to a landslide defeat with Trump’s unfavorable in the General electorate. Trump’s popularity says everything about the emotion-driven, anti intellectual Republican base. I wish you and your man well, very well!

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  35. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    “Maybe the EPA will lose and coal will be in demand again?” Walt
    Yeah Walt, that’s a likely outcome..:)

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Jon” knows as much about U.S. coal as he does about German wind and PV. Bupkis.
    It won’t go away until there are solid alternatives and neither wind or PV are solid. Merkel figured that out

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  37. Walt Avatar

    “jon”.. Hillary is getting used to wearing orange.
    Yes “jon”…. BE afraid…. VARY afraid.. Your token attacks are laughable.
    As for Soros,, how come our LIBS don’t complain about “him” making too much money?
    It’s only “rich” repub capitalists they bitch about.

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  38. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Walt | 19 August 2015 at 09:08 AM
    Billionaires are perfectly acceptable when immunized with the magical elixir of Progressivism™!

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  39. Jon Avatar
    Jon

    Walt and Gregory- ie, the Ostrich Corp,
    you guys crack me up with your predictions of a return to ancient fossil fuels. Head out of the sand is the preferred position. Good luck on your prognostications about mining and fossil fuels! Meanwhile the rest of us see, read and analyze whats actually going on in CA and the world.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    “Jon” is just a troll plant to spew leftwingnut positions here. It never gets upset when confronted and that tells me he is a paid chump. Probably a NGO tax-eating scammer.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    OK “jonny”,,, now post your (ha) facts. ( this will be a LONG wait)
    Just as soon as “O” and Co. get booted from D.C.,, and the cleaning house at the EPA will begin.
    Working LIBS don’t like to pay huge heating bills no more than the next guy. And it’s going to be REAL cold back East (again) No amount of wind and solar will replace coal.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Hey Walt, good point. How will those fifty or sixty million Northeastern democrats heat their house when “jon” cuts off their “fossil fuel heating oil”? Maybe they can store that solar ober the whole winter? These lib trolls are soooo stupid!

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  43. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Yesterday we find out the Iranians have threatened the head of the IAEA if he talked about the secret side documents and today we find out iran will get to do its own inspections at the parchin nuke site. Thanks 0 for massively increasing the likelihood of a nuclear exchange in the middle east. Time for the ‘jon’ to lead the ccc.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    Don.. Hillary will be allowed to investigate her own servers too. ” Nope,, no classified emails. You can trust me on that.”
    My heating supply is on the way. 4 cord of oak. ( it’s renewable) Hummm,,, What is “jon” going to heat with? Evil propaign? Inefficient electric?

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “you guys crack me up with your predictions of a return to ancient fossil fuels”
    You can’t return to where you ain’t never left. Someday, coal generation of power will be more expensive than alternative energy sources without the Jons in the government holding their thumbs on the scale, but that is not today.
    It isn’t an issue of “returning” to fossil fuels, it’s an issue of not letting the Jon’s of the world to decide the rest of us can’t use it anymore based on faulty groupthink science, a result of governments around the world subsidizing research that tells them what they want to hear… government needs more power to tax bad stuff produced by industries they don’t like while subsidizing not ready for prime time technologies that are being pushed by the folks they do like.

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    Gregory

    ” today we find out iran will get to do its own inspections at the parchin nuke site”
    That probably helps Israel with targeting options.

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    “jon” supports mining. he just doesn’t know it. His “transportation” came from the ground.
    The pots and pans his momma uses came from the ground. Most of the crap in his computer did so too, and all the ones his mamma buys for him in the future. Yes, “jon”,, that cell phone too. Where do you think the asphalt comes from that cars drive on?
    Yes Jr.. you DO support mining.. Like it or not.
    You a “hemper”? Think about the land that was raped to plant that. The Miracle grow used to help it grow.( and pollute the stream near by) Yes… Those chemicals came from the ground too.
    OHH… but since your an ECO bas… lover,, just what are those windmills made out of? ( PLENTY of copper and steel) Now how bout those solar panels??? Uh,,, dude… You have any clue of the toxic shit it takes to make’m? ( But that’s different…uh,,,, right?)

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    Gregory

    Checking the website of the company that I bought my propane tank from 21 years ago, their current propane price is the lowest it’s been for 11 years, in non-inflation corrected dollars.
    Should I fill soon because the first increase tends to be in September… or should I heed the news that the propane industry may run out of storage late this fall and prices may well plummet in order to move it out. Decsions, decisions…
    A problem with wood heat in California is that Ms. Nichols minions make burning wood illegal when the air gets icky. It helps if all your neighbors like you.

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