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Sandbox – 1aug15

01 August 2015

[Perusing this morning's papers I see that the TPP negotiations have blown a tire. Polls show that 70% of Americans believe Hillary is untrustworthy and a consummate liar. Team Obama is demanding that Congress abandon even the Pelosi Principle in accepting the Iran deal with unknown and unknowable secret codicils. And, of course, as data from the states rolls in, Obamacare is living up to and beyond its worst prognostications. But for a bit of levity or very deep conspiracy, I point you to Joe Queenan in the 1aug15 WSJ who writes 'Clearly, the Donald Works for Hillary'. gjr]

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158 responses to “Sandbox – 1aug15”

Russ

01 August 2015

Following up on our discussion of Second Amendment gun rights on RR and the impact of concealed carry weapons on crime prevention, I discovered some interesting facts in a recent study that can shed some light on future RR gun rights discussion: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States
Abstract:
Since President Obama’s election the number of concealed handgun permits has soared, growing from 4.6 million in 2007 to over 12.8 million this year. Among the findings in our report:
– The number of concealed handgun permits is increasing at an ever- increasing rate. Over the past year, 1.7 million additional new permits have been issued – a 15.4% increase in just one single year. This is the largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.
– 5.2% of the total adult population has a permit.
– Five states now have more than 10% of their adult population with concealed handgun permits.
– In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry in all or virtually all of the state. This is a major reason why legal carrying handguns is growing so much faster than the number of permits.
– Since 2007, permits for women has increased by 270% and for men by 156%.
– Some evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.
– Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 156%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.
– States with the largest increase in permits have seen the largest relative drops in murder rates.
– Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors or felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted.
My emphasis added.
The full study can be down loaded here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=2629704

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Don Bessee

01 August 2015

Great to hear the French nat. security advisor told congressmen that killing the iran deal would be helpful. Reported to have said a year or so of turmoil and then they could get a better deal. The implication of the time frame he cited is obvious. Let the next President take a hard line and really negotiate then they can get a better deal in the long run. In the short run there is little more iran could do to foment trouble than it is already. The Saudi’s most recent reaction to all of this is to order 600 of the latest patriots and 500 of our newest 1000lb long range, deep penetrator, precision glide bombs. Put that all together with the Gulf Cooperation Council’s radar integration project and iran is not in a good position to launch any conventional attacks in the gulf.

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Walt

01 August 2015

Paying everyone the same wage has come back to bite. Be careful of what you promise.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/01/seattle-ceo-who-set-firm-minimum-wage-to-70g-rents-house-to-make-ends-meet/?intcmp=hpbt4

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Don Bessee

01 August 2015

In another indication of the attitude of iran, at the same time the treaty is under review the mullah releases a book justifying the destruction of Israel. He urges the flag of jihad to fly in Jerusalem according to the NY post. Its only in farsi right now, wouldn’t want the americans to read it too soon now would they (0 too)?

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fish

01 August 2015

The Obama Justice Department….providing the illegal firearms to terrorists that legitimate firearms sellers won’t!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-garland-gun-20150801-story.html#page=1
…it’s like affirmative action for gun crime!

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Walt

01 August 2015

Nevada Co. Progressive Socialists monthly meeting must be this weekend.
New is bad for all thing Lefty.

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Walt

01 August 2015

Karma has caught up with the Usama bin Laden clan. What are the odds that a plane would give a little vengeance?
Or was it a suicide attack against gross polluting cars?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/08/01/members-bin-laden-family-die-in-small-plane-crash-saudi-ambassador-says/?intcmp=hpbt3

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Patricia Smith

01 August 2015

Russ, Aug 1, 12:47pm So tell me again how Obama is going to take your guns away?

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Walt

01 August 2015

He would if he could. The same goes for CA. Progressives.
BTW Patricia, “AR” does not stand for “automatic rifle”. ( just for your information)

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George Rebane

01 August 2015

Has not the lamestream put out that Obama will focus on gun control during the duration of his term? BTW, that being true, it will be Obama who tells us about how the next step toward confiscation will be prosecuted (I don’t think RussS knows, and neither do I).

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Don Bessee

01 August 2015

Jon S. knew and asked when it would happen.

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Bill Tozer

01 August 2015

Rule #6: the refrigerator rule.
http://observer.com/2015/08/judge-sullivan-strikes-again/

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Bill Tozer

01 August 2015

The reason the Democrats….Opps, I apologize. The reason those of the Left side of the aisle are giggling with uncontrolled glee at Republican Party blunders is it gives them a break from the fear of DOOM in 2016. They can read the tea leaves. Daily non stop stories of Ms. Clinton’s e-mail “untrustworthiness” (that is a big word now is it not?), and they now they are even looking to draft Uncle Joe Bidden for pete’s sake. I have to admit having a Joe Bidden living in The White House would be a satirest’s delight. Bernie is still an unknown and proudly proclaims he is NOT a Democrat. He ain’t purple either.
Bush has raised 105 million, Ms. Clinton 14 mil in the last accounting. No enthusiasm for her.
Now, I figure Clinton’s team negotiated with Obama’s team for a couple of months and came up with a workable deal. Obama stops signaling overtures and good vibes about Lizzy Warren and she will not dis or disagree with Obama, nor critize him on the trail. So, she has to calm up and achieve living the dream.
Anybody notice that instead of just talking a walk with Obama around Camp David and cut a deal, there is always negotians. Even her job at State was negotiated for weeks. Oh, she is one political junkie I tell ya.

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George Rebane

02 August 2015

News flash – RR favorite and bane of liberals, Charles Koch has called for the end to corporate welfare. Lets see how much of the Left’s wealth picks up on this.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-koch-decries-corporate-welfare-as-scott-walker-carly-fiorina-court-donor-network-1438490077

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

The Sacramento Bee did a article on donors. Of course those wascally R’s get a lot but those poor D’s not so much. All for the Super PACs which are not controlled by the candidates. They soft shoed Hill-Billy and Jeb Bush.

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 02 August 2015 at 08:41 AM
Better late than never I suppose.

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fish

02 August 2015

Might want to re-think that “free” upgrade to Windows 10!
http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952

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fish

02 August 2015

Poor Hitchbot we barely knew ye……..
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hitchbot-destroyed-in-philadelphia-ending-u-s-tour-1.3177098
That he met his untimely demise outside of Philly surprises me not a whit! Hitchbot should have known better.

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Brad C.

02 August 2015

Re: Charles Koch advocating ending corporate welfare – sounds like he is channeling what the libs like Elizabeth Warren have been saying all along (and the Repubs have been silent on). Kind of throws a monkey wrench into the, “LaMalfa should chase subsidies for his rice farm because everybody else is doing it (tragedy of the commons)”, unenlightened self-interest argument. Koch seems to be advocating for the enlightened self-interest version/vision and advocating for good corporate citizenship vs. simple greed. Good for Mr. Koch. Of course, he can say that now since the Koch bros. are 10x wealthier than Trump!

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Joe Koyote

02 August 2015

“Polls show that 70% of Americans believe Hillary is untrustworthy and a consummate liar. ” What polls are those George?

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Larry Wirth

02 August 2015

JoKe, don’t worry about polls, open your eyes and ears.

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Brad C. | 02 August 2015 at 10:25 AM
Kind of throws a monkey wrench into the, “LaMalfa should chase subsidies for his rice farm because everybody else is doing it (tragedy of the commons)”, unenlightened self-interest argument.
It does”t do that at all.
It reinforces the idea that in a subsidized industry the only way to remain competitive is to claim the subsidies.

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Bill Tozer

02 August 2015

Fish @ 10:15 am. Sad news indeed. Count me in with the thousands of children across the world who are heart broken. Suppose if a robot is going to pose as a hitchhiker, then he/she/it will have the human experience as well. Talk about devaluation of life and a sign of the times. Space is much safer for hitchhiking robots.
Hitchbot was sooo adorable. I wonder if it was something Hb said…..and all the King’s horses and all the King’s men could not put Hitchbot together again. Alas.
First Cecil, now Hitchbot. It’s a dog eat dog jungle out there. Lord of the Flies and all that. Kill the Beast, Kill the Beast. Where is the social justice?

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 02 August 2015 at 10:38 AM
Where is the social justice?
In one small corner of the world Ben Emery got his wish…….hilarity ensues!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-02/ceo-hikes-minimum-wage-70k-capitalist-tragicomedy-ensues

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fish

02 August 2015

Found elsewhere on teh intertubez……..
Joe Koyote says:
August 2, 2015 at 10:22 am
Can’t the schools simply tell the Tea baggers no! Would they allow, for example, a communist group to pass out Mao’s Red Book as a political science addendum? I think not, but in principle it is the same concept, the meddling with our education system by an outside group. This whole 40 year plan thing reeks of brown shirt mentality. These people seem to live in the past failing to recognize that society has changed and evolved leaving them and their 19th century values behind. Something they, apparently, can neither understand or tolerate.
Well since we barely use it anymore anyway JoKe your idea intrigues me! If we can shelve the whole “tax me so you can live better” thing I’m on board….

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

How can a rational person raised in America equate Mao’s “Little Red Book” with the US Constitution? That person has to be brain dead!

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Joe Koyote

02 August 2015

Gee Larry, I guess it all depends on whether you are opening your eyes and ears to BS or not. George made a pretty bold statement and I am just trying to determine where his polls came from. “70% of Americans believe Hillary is untrustworthy and a consummate liar.” without proof ranks pretty high on the BS scale. Taking George’s word for it may work for you but not for me. Oh, BTW, I think Hillary is a corporate goon just like Jeb and most of the rest of the candidates, so I am not defending her, I just want facts not conjecture.

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 02 August 2015 at 11:01 AM
That person has to be brain dead!
Well Joe was in state service for an extended period…..I suppose that can’t be ruled out.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

Whenever a liberal/commie says they want a poster to supply the link to something like a poll you know they have been bested. They think delaying the inevitable of being bested will somehow convince others IO suppose. JoeK knows where all these polls are, he cites his favorite one’s all the time. Just another disingenuous lefty.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

FISH, so you know JoeK’s biz? Do tell. Then I am sure it will all fit together regarding what I suspected.

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 02 August 2015 at 11:32 AM
FISH, so you know JoeK’s biz?
I don’t know Todd….I seem to recall Joe mentioning that he was a state retiree…..this when you and he were debating relative carbon footprints. You with your full sized truck and he with what was described a much “less impactful” vehicle.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

Love my truck and my SUV. The humm and roar of a gasoline engine! LOL!

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Don Bessee

02 August 2015

Does it matter if she is 60 or 70% negative in the polls? The real point is that the real hillary and bill road show has worn out its welcome. Of course it is all a vast right wing conspiracy that bought that unsecure computer server and put it in her basement and sent all that classified data by email. The vast right wing conspiracy also hired huma, a muslum brotherhood royalty and gave her special status so she could have a security clearance (unable to obtain by normal procedures) and work for the State dept., Clinton foundation and a Clinton connected group all at once, how special. Clinton has and is a fraudster from day one. The queen has no pantsuit and its not a pretty picture! LOL

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Bonnie McGuire

02 August 2015

Every time we drive by the old Schwartz Ranch on Bitney Springs Road I think about the movie “Protocol” starring Goldie Hawn that was partly filmed there in 1984. Fiction hit the nail on the head regarding politics then and now. Her speech is exactly how it is regarding those in government not having any idea who the Constitution represents…and she was going to watch them like a hawk.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/X-BMCKB_TB0?feature=player_detailpage

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Joe Koyote

02 August 2015

My my, little Carp the troll and his sidekick Toad strike again demonstrating once more that they really have nothing of substance to say. Please explain the difference between the tea baggers trying to take over the country and the rag heads or commies trying to take over. Aren’t they both trying to force their values on to the non-believers i.e. the majority of Americans? Isn’t it different sides of the same coin?

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George Rebane

02 August 2015

Re Hillary’s trustworthiness – mea culpa, I should have snagged the URL of the poll citing the 70% number, and now I cannot find it. But as DonB 101pm points out, the subject of her drop in the polls to 60% still makes the case. And even Bernie Sanders now sidesteps questions about whether Hillary is honest. Here’s an update –
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/30/voters-want-someone-who-is-honest-and-trustworthy-in-2016-they-dont-think-thats-hillary-clinton/

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Bill Tozer

02 August 2015

Don Bessee @ 1301.
Somethings are better left to the imagination. But, I must confess that as we get older, Hillary fully clothed will pass for ok. I have lowered my standards, albeit the eye doc says it’s well past time to get some new cheaters. Maybe those Ali Babbas and the 40 Thieves were ahead of their time by requiring their women folk to cover themselves from head to toe in burkas. Got to keep an open mind, but don’t lift the flap to the tent.
Speaking of tents, it’s a sad day. Ozzie the tent maker passed away last evening after his long fight with an undisclosed illness. Ozzie was well loved and designed some of the best outfits donned by our local Food Critic and Wine Taster. Don’t know why they call ’em a food critic. He has yet to criticize food, but I digress. Ozzie the Tent Maker will be missed and finding another With his talents will be a long difficult task.
Me suspects The Baggage Lady has sported some of Ozzie’s better creations as well.

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 02 August 2015 at 01:33 PM
Hey Joe just to help me understand you a bit better, what did you do for the State?

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fish

02 August 2015

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 02 August 2015 at 01:33 PM
Please explain the difference between the tea baggers trying to take over the country and the rag heads or commies trying to take over. Aren’t they both trying to force their values on to the non-believers i.e. the majority of Americans? Isn’t it different sides of the same coin?
It is Joe but the “Tea Bagging Brownshirts” that you are so concerned about are way late to the “long march through the institutions” Gramscian party.

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George Rebane

02 August 2015

For the record – as a Tea Bagger I can report with some surety that no member I have met or even heard of (when we secretly assemble to conspire and tally up big corporate checks) has ever given any evidence of “trying to force their values on the non-believers i.e. the majority of Americans.” The only thing that brings Tea Party members together is the effort to work for an America wherein Americans who share values of smaller government, constitutionalism, individual enterprise, and capitalism may still be able to express and practice such values. That is NOT the other side “of the same coin” representing those “ragheads or commies” who indeed are in the business of imposing their values and methods on everyone at the pain of death. Any comparisons of what these people want with the aims of the Tea Party are simply specious.

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Walt

02 August 2015

It’s gotta suck to be the likes of JoKe. Those political philosophies they try and push, just ain’t work’n with the voters.
Still taking jabs with disparaging references.. tisk tisk…..
The Tea Party has been on the march, winning election after election, That’s what really pisses off the Commies, and RINO kingmakers alike.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

Joe Koyote | 02 August 2015 at 01:33 PM
Didn’t this chap have a long post about how terrible ad hominems are? You gotta love these hypocrites of the lib/commie ilk.
FISH, my guess is JoeK was an undercover officer in the Consumer Affairs Division of the State. He could go pick on and cite those little Vietnamese manicurists. He is a spineless wanker. But pretty funny when he gets his Vic panties in a wad.
Regarding the Tea Party v commies and Islamic terrorists. All the readers can now see that a lib/commie like JoeK thinks the terrorists who would chop off your head over Islamic religion are no different than Americans (many retired veterans like GeorgeR)simply trying to live within the Constitution and fight for individual freedom.
It is quite apparent there is no reverence for the Constitution by JoeK, resident namecalling lib. Perhaps he could have an exchange student from ISIL University come stay with him.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

Here is a US News and World Report chart on Hillary’s trustworthiness (among others things as well). You can see only 31% thinks she is. So that is pretty close to 70% that don’t.
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/07/16/ap-gfk-poll-clintons-standing-falls-among-democrats

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fish

02 August 2015

But pretty funny when he gets his Vic panties in a wad.
I’m pretty sure I’ll regret asking but what are “Vic panties” Todd?

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George Rebane

02 August 2015

Administrivia – I draw your kind attention to the 2aug15 update to ‘Dump Trump?’
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/07/dump-trump.html

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George Boardman

02 August 2015

Re the update to “Dump Trump?”:
Wallace’s line of questioning is just a preview of what you’re going to see Thursday night. With Roger Ailes pulling the puppet strings, the “debate” will be little more than a love fest for red-meat Republicans.
I predict that the consumption of erectile dysfunction drugs will plummet Thursday night, and that people like Todd and Walt will be foaming at the mouth by the time the program ends.
Alas, I will miss all of this because we’ll be far from the madding crowd on vacation. But I doubt much will change by the time we get back.

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Walt

02 August 2015

AHHhh Go pound sand Boardman. At least the Right is having debates. The Left has yet to even think about them.
http://drudgereport.com/now.htm

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George Rebane

02 August 2015

GeorgeB 423pm – You sound very pessimistic that the debate, or “debate” as you like, will reveal little to the voters about the relative merits of the Republican candidates. With the way you have “Roger Ailes pulling the puppet strings”, it appears that we have a fraudulent exercise in the making. In what way do you think that the “red meat” will be served to the Republican viewers.
And I do join with Walt’s 543pm in an unrequited yet keen anticipation of the Dems deigning to put their queen into any such equivalent line of fire, which is sure to singe her wings for further flight to a crisp.

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Walt

02 August 2015

Gotta give credit where due. Same question to Boardman. Whats the diff between a Dem and a Socialist? ( OR Commie pinko)
Debby Downer your party leader sure can’t say.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/02/dnc-chair-still-doesnt-know-the-difference-between-democrats-and-socialists-video/
I’m surprised LIB news even asked. ( or what’s left of LIB news)

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2015

George Boardman | 02 August 2015 at 04:23 PM
Foaming at the mouth? What a hoot. The reason America is not listening to the Boardmans anymore has not yet been figured out by Boardman. I love debates. I enjoy all the interaction between candidates. My position on this is attack Hillary and her positions, not each other. Kinda too civilized eh Boardman?
GeorgeR’s assessment is spot on about the press and their constipation about trying to start food fights. It is not Walt or I, it is the Boardman’s! Since America now doesn’t give a hoot about your opinions Boardman, maybe you should start listening rather than bloviating about things you have no clue about. Jeeze what a dope.

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