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Sandbox – 17jun15

17 June 2015

[Apologies for getting a little pissed in the 'Agnosticism vs Atheism' comment stream. Here's a new sandbox, the old one was getting more than full. gjr]

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390 responses to “Sandbox – 17jun15”

steve frisch

21 June 2015

Posted by: Gregory | 21 June 2015 at 01:55 PM
Yes, Gregory, what I said is that George OMITTED information…get it OMITTED.
The South did not to just want to peaceably leave, they wanted to extend and expand slavery into the Caribbean and Central America.
By the way, who fired the first shot Gregory? The South. Who implored them to stay in the Union and work our a compromise? Lincoln.
For those of you who still hold to the ridiculous ‘states rights’ argument I suggest you read Lincoln’s Cooper Union address:
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/cooper.htm
What I really hate about you guys is that you can NEVER accept the idea that someone else know more than you do about something…..oh, and I know much more than you do about climate change so don’t bring that card out, unless you want to meet in a two hour open public debate with mutually agreed upon specified rules of debate. I would take you on any time .

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George Rebane

21 June 2015

There is nothing in the Constitution’s enumerated powers of the federal govt to allow it to prevent a state from seceding. It is only the federal govt’s ability to apply extra-legal brute force – e.g. as in ‘Mr Lincoln’s War’ as many in the North called it – that can stop states from seceding.
Walter Williams’ short essay on the topic is illuminating –
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/03/company.html
SteveF 206pm – during the last 40 years the Left has seen to it that American history has essentially been rewritten. One only has to compare today’s high school history text with that of pre-Great Society’s. What your argument about the South seeking to extend slavery does not reveal is that such extension into the western states (Missouri Compromise) was premised on retaining a Congressional balance so long as the South remained in the Union. But that itself is also besides the point of our different interpretations of history. My 1242pm stands the stronger, the more you continue your multi-year claim to paint me and others as unread of the indelible stone tablets from the mountain that apparently inform your understanding of these events.

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Todd Juvinall

21 June 2015

Steve Frisch is simply lacking in class. Kesti, where are you? Oh, you only trash righties. I forgot.
The Civil War wa fought because the South Carolina politicians seceded and blasted away at Fort Sumter to prove their point.

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Todd Juvinall

21 June 2015

Steve Frisch complains at 2:06 PM
“What I really hate about you guys is that you can NEVER accept the idea that someone else know more than you do about something…..oh, and I know much more than you do about climate change so don’t bring that card out, unless you want to meet in a two hour open public debate with mutually agreed upon specified rules of debate. I would take you on any time . ”
My goodness, you say that about every issue, even having and raising a child! Hubris. No one likes you here because you are a know-it-all and can’t resist telling us that time after nauseating time.

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Walt

21 June 2015

Nice try “jon”,, seems you forget that your on the “stars and bars” side of politics.
The party of “the klan”. It was the Southern Democrat that wrote the fist anti gun laws.
The NRA was the first to fight for minority rights. DAMN, today’s LIB is sooo ignorant.
LIBS are till trying to keep the minorities under their “control” “Vote for us, WE know what’s best for you. How dare those damned Yankees free you from our plantations.”

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Gregory

21 June 2015

Ah, so “peaceably” in Frisch’s view means secession without any expectations of growth that in anyway conflicted with the Republican Party’s plans for the North. That’s what Frisch omits from his curious definition of “peaceably”.
Great piece by Williams linked by George, here’s a snippet:
“Every single bit of evidence shows that states have a right to secede. There’s absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits secession. What stops secession is the brute force of a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Only one thing good came out of that war. It eliminated slavery. It’s had a devastating legacy for future generations of Americans in that since the issue of secession was brutally settled, the federal government is free to run roughshod over the safeguards envisioned by the Framers, namely the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.”

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Walt

21 June 2015

The two “Left feet” also fail to comprehend “redneck” does NOT equate to racist.

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Todd Juvinall

21 June 2015

This is for that cracker Frisch. More death and destruction this weekend in Detroit.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/5-people-shot-on-detroits-west-side-one-fatal
No whites in this one Frisch. Except for the cops.

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Gregory

21 June 2015

More from the usual suspect:
“What I really hate about you guys is that you can NEVER accept the idea that someone else know more than you do about something…..oh, and I know much more than you do about climate change so don’t bring that card out, unless you want to meet in a two hour open public debate with mutually agreed upon specified rules of debate. I would take you on any time . ”
Frisch, you have no formal education in science and have shown no talent for it here, always resorting to the usual fallacies and ad hominems when your ignorance fails you. No, you don’t “know more than” many of us regarding climate change, all you have done to date is parrot the authorities you choose to believe and have shown no patience whatsoever for actually discussing the underlying science.
Given your stated malice towards me (if I recall correctly, you’ve declared that you “hate my guts”) there’s no reason to debate anywhere but here. Perhaps Paul E. would host an online event on KVMR’s website, but I’d not accept you being anywhere near center stage even if it was online. Your palpable hate is just too disqualifying.

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Bill Tozer

21 June 2015

Did someone just call Dr. Rebane ignorant? Unknowing? Seems to moi the good doc always says in advance if the topic or field in discussion is not his forte (that’s French for Fort Sumner).
So, here we go again debating the reasons behind The War Between The States. This ignorant brut thinks some confuse reasons with causes, but who cares. Now there are many aspects to the unpopular War Between The States and various perspectives taken from personal letters, diaries, newspaper accounts, and the private thoughts of many of the main characters involved. That only sheds light on some of the numerous complexities, symptoms, causes, reasons, etc. We have The War Between The States foremost authorities, but no one single authority. BTW, history has shown that newspaper accounts are often the least reliable and accurate accounts in live time.
I remember when Southern Rock hit the scene and the elistists where afraid the South would rise again and putting it down as beneath them. Deliverance kind of stuff. Old Charlie Daniels on the fiddle singing get down, get loud, get proud cause the South is going to do it again, this time with ZZ Top, the Alman Bros, Wet Willy, and even Elvin Bishop. Now, they have hit there high notes and sour notes since. Who is the one and only final word on the rise of Southern Rock in the early 70’s???? Who gives a popcorn fart.
Well, the South (Sunbelt) has risen again and it a growing, healthy driving force in our economy, and benefiting from widespread internal migration. Now it’s them darn Yankees and Dems and Union Thugs up north are decrying the rise of The South. See, everyone knows that The South is code word for Confederate Flag waving, moonshine guzzling, ignorant overtly racists MonsterTruck lobbing inbred hillbillies. That is according to our present authorities on The South located behind the ivory covered walls in the Northeast, aka, Yankeetown.
BTW, the Confederate Constitution was the only constitution in the world at the time that barred the slave capturing industry from forgein lands. The Yankees already had cornered that market anyway which kept the New England ports financially afloat. If a slave was already here, then one could purchase one legally.
My take on the main cause of The War Between The States was solidified in the last scene of Gone With The Wind with Scarlet O’Hara gripping the red dirt in her fists making her vow. Yep, it’s all about the soil, the soil that gets in one’s blood.
Father’s Day Story: a farmer may hate his father, but got the love of the soil from hid Dad. Happy Father’s Day.

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Bill Tozer

21 June 2015

Walt @ 3:22 pm. Mr. Walt, your reference to “Two Left Feet” shows an appalling lack of sensitivity to those inflicted by the Libhole Affliction. Now, I ain’t no shrink but I have pissed off a few by holding up a mirror to them. Anywho, I will leave it up to the foremost authorities to decide if liberalism is a disease, an affliction, a syndrome, a disability, or just merely be unfortunate enough to possess a plain ole broken thinker. No doubt it is debilitating. We should not treat sick people that way, even if they clean up and present themselves as polished spittoons. They need our sympathy, yet deserve our scorn. We must take the higher road when these shithouse rats cross our paths. Yes, they be children of The Universe, no matter how lowly these abhorrent creatures are. We must gently guide them to the light. Try to show some mercy on their tortured souls. I will try as well, albeit I have fallen shy of this goal on occasion.

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Michael R. Kesti

21 June 2015

Boy, oh, boy, today certainly was another busy day in the sandbox. It’s pretty clear who didn’t spend time with family on this Father’s Day!
To Steven Frish, who revealed who he really hates, I say, “What we hate about others tends to be that which we don’t much like about ourselves.”
To Gregory, who says that he would not debate Steven Frish because Frish’s, “palpable hate is too disqualifying”, I say, “I believe that Frish would melt you down and, if he felt charitable, mop you into a bucket in a debate of any kind, anywhere, and anytime.” Don’t be insulted, though, because I don’t mind telling you that I believe that he would do the same with any of us, including myself. A match with our host might be interesting, however.
Finally, of Todd Juvinall, whose typographical, spelling, and grammatical error rates increased through the day in apparent direct proportion to the steam pressure between his ears, I ask, ” Do you never tire of playing the clown? ”
Oh, and thanks to Bill Tozer and Jon for the compliments.

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steve frisch

21 June 2015

Posted by: George Rebane | 21 June 2015 at 02:16 PM
I love it! So if historians don’t agree with you, it is magically because historians have been compromised by modern society…not that they may have better resources for research today, or that new information may have changed conclusions…..it is hilarious really.
Oh, and then there is this that you said:”What your argument about the South seeking to extend slavery does not reveal is that such extension into the western states (Missouri Compromise) was premised on retaining a Congressional balance so long as the South remained in the Union.”
You must have missed what I actually said, that the South was attempting to expand slavery above the line drawn by the Missouri Compromise and beyond the popular sovereignty agreement established in the Kansas Nebraska Act.
But you really proved my point…..it does not matter WTF a historian says if they disagree with you, no matter their credential, so in essence FACTS and SOURCES don’t matter.
That is kind of the definition of ignorance. We might as well flush scholarship down the toilet.

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fish

21 June 2015

Clearly Confederate symbology has no place in polite society…..eh Jon?!
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobProvince/status/612605518872338432

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Todd Juvinall

21 June 2015

What a day here. After all my wonderful kids and relatives came by throughout the day I must just say thanks to them all.
For Kesti. You analysis is as dopey as your spelling bees. If you and Frisch ever meet each other the kissing would never stop. You are simply a clown Kesti, pure and simple. Do you ever tire of being an outcast creep?
Regarding debating. I personally have over the years debated many liberals. Including lawyers and I must say, once they get rattled they always lose. Gregory would clean the floor with Frisch because Frisch is sinply a buffoon and easily heated up. Anyway, I hope Kesti finds a job and Frisch finds some humility. Good day. LOL!

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steve frisch

21 June 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 21 June 2015 at 09:03 PM
Great Todd, let Gregory prove you correct.

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Gregory

21 June 2015

Kesti, unlike Frisch who arguably did us all a favor by allowing his line to terminate, I did spend a wonderful day with my son who is home from grad school. I got a Father’s Day dinner cooked for me and we’ve been drinking killer Tanqueray and Q Tonics; I’m on #3. While I type we’re watching the original Apolcalypse Now cut (HD via Netflix and Roku) which he’d not seen before. First comment… “I don’t believe Martin Sheen was ever that young” (checking, he was in his late 30’s).
I’ve no doubt I could acquit myself and the science well in a formal well structured and well behaved debate if a Frisch would be civil but he’s been pretty clear that is not his intention; I’ve no doubt he’d be hitting below the belt. That and he really doesn’t have a fucking clue about the science so what would the point be? Besides, the McKibben loving KVMR ain’t exactly neutral territory.
Let’s play Picadore de Frisch a bit more; one of his bigger chunks reads “”What I really hate about you guys is that you can NEVER accept the idea that someone else know more than you do about something…..oh, and I know much more than you do about climate change so don’t bring that card out [unless willing to meet on a field of battle of his design]”
“you can NEVER accept the idea that someone else know [sic] more than you do about something”… Steve just can’t stop with the self parody projections.
Steve, I started out as a lukewarmer, accepting of the mainstream IPCC view, and have degrees in physics and electrical engineering/computer science (including digital signal processing), both of which are applicable to atmospheric physics, and you do not have a bloody clue as to what goes into any of those fields of study. I can, and have, actually read the science for myself.
Let me repeat: Steven Frisch, You Do Not Have A Bloody Fucking Clue As To What Goes Into Any Of Those Fields Of Study. I’ll make a wild guess the only “science” a polisci major like Steven Frisch would take would have a name like “Your Friend, the Amoeba”, or General Science 4a and 4b, not applicable to any science major’s course of study. Or even a life science major.
I could easily prepare an hour talk which would lay out a cogent, intellectually honest presentation of climate science as determined by the IPCC’s favored climate scientists in the Assessment Reports at a level of a decent 12 grade high school physics class or half decent lower division college class.
I could then spend about 20 minutes demolishing it by pointing out where it has utterly failed in its assumptions and predictions, and why, all from original sources in the peer reviewed, established journals. I could do that in the chronologic order in which I read them myself (beginning in 2007 when I realized how badly I’d been lied to by journalists regarding climate science), or a chronological order in which they unfolded in the literature. The lazy way to present that material is to take the slideware from one of Jasper Kirkby’s colloquia at CERN and edit it down to a few slides that tell the basic story. Lazy and very high quality, Kirkby is one smart guy; in fact, he’s one of the few who actually did have poltics interfere with his research… he wanted to start the CLOUD experiment in the late ’90’s but the funding got killed until Svensmark published results from a simpler experiment (without a particle accelerator) in 2006.
Mainstream climate science has been systematically ignoring lines of inquiry regarding clouds, aerosols and cosmics they know can only weaken their arguments, which were weak to begin with. As James Lovelock has said,
“The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they’re scared stiff of the fact that they don’t really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven’t got the physics worked out yet. One of the chiefs once said to me that he agreed that they should include the biology in their models, but he said they hadn’t got the physics right yet and it would be five years before they do. So why on earth are the politicians spending a fortune of our money when we can least afford it on doing things to prevent events 50 years from now? They’ve employed scientists to tell them what they want to hear. “
Frisch, if you have a point about the science, write it down and hit Post and don’t make fucking excuses. There’s no one to doubletalk and throw you off your stride. Write. It’s pretty clear you’re unable to do so, and so your we have your bluster instead.

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steve frisch

21 June 2015

You know, you really are just an arrogant little man, Greg.
The rules of the debate were that we could bring our experts; I recommended you bring your weatherman and the conspiracy theorist, but you can bring whomever you want.
But I am not going to waste my time debating this here…because here is not big enough… I want to embarrass you in public, with an audience, on tape, and replay it every time you open your mean little trap.

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Gregory

21 June 2015

The weatherman and the conspiracy theorist (whoever the latter might be) aren’t “my” people, Frisch. I met the “weatherman” once in Nevada City but that’s another story for another time. It will piss people off but I can wait.
Yes, you might as well take your ball and go home. You can’t make headway with words and reason; you need drama. That ain’t me, babe.
For those of you who might want some science, the guys whose 2003 paper turned me from lukewarmer to skeptic to scoffer really is spending a year’s sabattical courtesy IBM. Here’s a relatively “accessible” (just maybe not for Frisch) paper on how they teased the 32 million year period oscillation in and out of the galactic plane… from ocean temperature proxy data. Not computer simulations. Here’s a taste of his work at Princeton:
https://www.ias.edu/ias-letter/2015/shaviv-milky-way
Frisch, if you need help, just ask.
“It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong”
BTW McKibben, an honored guest of KVMR not long ago, determined 350ppm CO2 as the maximum safe CO2 in our atmosphere, and named his organization for that number, 350. Please, tell us how that number was determined by McKibben, who spent his time at Harvard not in the science labs but as editor of the Crimson.
Mammals evolved in a 2000ppm CO2 atmosphere, and there was a worldwide ice age early in the Phanerozoic with perhaps 6000ppm CO2 or even higher. There’s nothing sacrosanct about 350; it is, in essence, a number pulled out of McKibben’s ass.

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Gregory

22 June 2015

Please note Frisch just had to come out with the “arrogant little man” insult as his opening salvo, and his demands were to take or leave the “debate” as he wanted to structure it. I’d be “allowed” to bring anyone I wanted.
Sorry Steve, but if you want to create an event to show your greatness, you will have to find someone else. A real climate debate would be a feather in Nevada County’s hat, but a Stephen Frisch should have nothing to do with it. No credentials, no gravitas. No science knowledge and, even more to the point, no clue who really does.
For KVMR, something more akin to the Breaking Bread series would be about right.

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Walt

22 June 2015

Why is it these Lefties must rely on manufactured science? When the facts don’t meet their preconceived ideals, doctor the data.. Cook the books. NOAA busted doing just that.
Fake polar bear deaths. ECO ships getting caught frozen in sea ice in antarctica. In SUMMER no less. ( looking for melted ice… go figure that one out.)
Then there is the thermometers used to track “agw” set in the middle of parking lots, and next to heat exchangers on roof tops. ( Yup,, that will give an accurate reading.)
All those wild predictions of hurricanes. “the worst season is about to hit!”.. then nuttn’.
Every prediction of doom and gloom has fallen flat. ( It’s gotta suck when that happens.)
Oh,, wait a minute,, the North pole was to be ice free by 2015.. Uh,, how did that work out?
Now humanity is supposed to be extinct in 100 years. Rightttt… Sure… whatever ya’ say.
The ECO gang sure has been batting a thousand. Nothing has happened as predicted.
But they sure lined their pockets with grand money…

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fish

22 June 2015

Posted by: Walt | 22 June 2015 at 12:26 AM

Actually Walt I’m just sure that their predictive abilities are going to improve any day now…..any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….any day now….

“Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

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fish

22 June 2015

Ah, now we see the ~~violence~~ racism inherent in the system!
Seeee?!?! It’s just like you said….another privileged white guy (okay, technically 1/2 white) engaged in cultural appropriation!!
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/obama-n-word-marc-maron-interview-119272.html
He used…used…..that word!!!!! In public

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

What is interesting about Obama using that word, he truly is a African/American. Momma was a white American woman and his traveling daddy was a African from Kenya. He has no American black in his body but he has the “race”. That says that “race” is the paramount issue rather than just being a “black American”.

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fish

22 June 2015

Hey George…..yesterday Steve suggested that I was a “paid provocateur”. Since you were identified in the same comment as a “Master Propagandist” the only conclusion I can reasonably come to is that you are my boss.
I’ve been commenting here for almost two years and haven’t received a dime…….
Withholding wages is a serious matter. Is there something you want to tell me….confess if you will….before I go to the appropriate authority?

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Patricia Smith,
I just read a article about the ACLU defending a Indian (from India) pedophile in Berkley. His name is Lakireddy Bali Reddy.He would smuggle in 12 year old “low caste” Indian girls (his brother and sis-in-law claimed to be the parents) and used one of his apartment buildings in Berkley as the harem headquarters. Anyway, the local press, the San Francisco Chronicle gave it a “no, never mind” and it took a high school paper to break the story. When arrested (after being released originally) the ACLU though a sentence of eight years was just too great. One little girl died.
Anyway, Patricia Smith, could you please tell us all about this defense of this Berkley resident bu your ACLU organization? I was kind of shocked about the defense of the ACLU by you and the formation of a local chapter here in Nevada County. Perhaps there is a good explanation? If there is crickets from you I guess that means something none of us will like.?

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Fish 8:41 AM
While you were getting stiffed on pay, Steve Frisch was getting $226,000 dollars of taxpayer subsidized money. So perhaps he is the paid provocateur?

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fish

22 June 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 June 2015 at 08:52 AM
Actually Todd I think Steve is merely a hobbyist and that his comments are separate from his employment. As mentioned….until yesterday I thought that this was the case with me. But based on his statement I think that somebody might owe me money! 😉
Sometimes volunteer work crosses the line into “employment!
I really should thank Steve for looking out for my financial interests!

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Well maybe you are right fish. I seem to recall though that Steve Frisch as the CEO of SBC did some Prop 23 stuff. Seems he is one of those people we used to see at BOS meetings when we had a public hearing. A CEO would get up to the mike represning a eco group or no growth organization and claim to be speaking for them. He/she would later come to the mike and say they were now speaking for themselves!
Then we would get Frisch-like people who would speak up for three or four organizations! Always trying to gain more speaking time. Just like Frisch! We used to roll our eyes at those know-it-all yappers..

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George Rebane

22 June 2015

Gregory 1141pm – Excellent link Gregory. That seems to be the definitive ongoing research on cosmic rays impact on climate. Good report, and we should all look forward to their 2016 conclusions (except, of course, for members of Team Gore for whom the ‘debate is over’).

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Is Patricia on vacation? LOL!

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Apparently the issue of putting a ACLU chapter here has driven off someone?

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fish

22 June 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 June 2015 at 10:09 AM
Nahh….Patricia has departed the field…..at least for the foreseeable future.

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

I recall her telling us all with great pride about involving herself and others who care about people, about their ACLU chapters birth here. I simply asked why the ACLU would support a rich immigrant from India importing little girls for sex slavery over the little girls! Oh well. All this in Berkley!

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Walt

22 June 2015

No,, she is at the chapter headquarters crying about George and others here, and looking at ways to silence us. Papers from the courts will probably show up by Friday.
That’s the new LIB tactic.

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George Boardman

22 June 2015

Regular readers of this blog know that Todd has trouble with spelling and English grammar. His reading comprehension isn’t very good either.
I remember the Reddy case–despite what Todd wrote, it got plenty of coverage in the San Francisco Chronicle and other Bay Area media–so I did some checking to refresh my memory.
The ACLU represented Reddy’s female victims–they were minors and had no family to speak for them–and assisted immigration attorneys in filing a civil suit against Reddy alleging negligence in the death of one of the girls. The suit was settled in 2004 for $8.9 million.
Try getting the facts straight next time.

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Gregory

22 June 2015

George 9:52, thanks, and you’re welcome. I think I’d posted that IAS link a few weeks ago but it’s easy to lose the wheat in the chaff.
I think the definitive work on cosmic ray’s impact on climate is Kirkby’s Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets (CLOUD) experiment at CERN, but no one works in a vacuum. In fact, Kirkby’s CLOUD was inspired by Svensmark’s work, and a photo of a balding, greying Svensmark (his middle age spread is also depressingly familiar to me) at work is the middle of the IAS page I linked. In particular, it was Svensmark’s Cosmoclimatology paper in 2007 that, with a cleaned up and stylized graphing of the same data, introduced me to Shaviv & Veizer 2003. Check out figure 8 (page 5)and tell me there isn’t a STRONG relationship between galactic cosmic rays and ocean temperatures that is unmistakably cause and effect.
http://astrogeo.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/1/1.18.full.pdf
Steven Frisch of the “Sierra Business Council”, I know you’re out there, that’s for you, too.

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George Rebane

22 June 2015

Gregory 1125am – hard to argue against that kind of correlation.

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Todd Juvinall

22 June 2015

Regular readers know that George Boardman is uauslly wrong on his facts here and in the Union on Monday’s. But today he is correct. My source for the ACLU in the Reddy case was wrong. Anyone pedophile I slimed deserves my apologies. Good for GeorgeB, he finally got one right.

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Gregory

22 June 2015

George, the correlation between CO2 and temps is pretty good too, except, with oceanic outgassing (pay attention here, Steve, it’s high school level chemistry and has to do with dissolvability of gases in water), an increasing ocean temperature also causes CO2 to be released into the air weakens that correlation as an indicator of CO2 being causal.
The beauty of the SV03 (Steve, that means Shaviv & Veizer 2003, the “Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate?” paper) is there is no bloody way an increasing ocean temperature can affect the rate of stars going supernova thousands of years ago.
BTW, Frisch, for his imaginary ‘debate’ suggested I could bring my weatherman and my conspiracy theorist. As far as I know I’ve never cited Anthony Watts (the obvious ‘weatherman’ reference) for anything though his website does a grand job of presenting both good and sometimes not so good climate information by others. However, I’ve still no clue whatsoever as to the identity of the “conspiracy theorist” that Frisch was also trying to hang around my neck. It certainly isn’t one of the scientists I generally cite (like Shaviv, Veizer, Svensmark, Lindzen, Kirkby, Friis-Christensen…). Does anyone know who Frisch was trying to tie me to?
Steve, I know you’re out there, you can make this easier on everyone by chiming and clarifying that claim.

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