218 responses to “Sandbox – 7jun15”

1. 

   Barry Pruett

   07 June 2015

   Yes. Good thoughts. Happy Sunday!

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   Todd Juvinall

   07 June 2015

   Steven Frisch | 07 June 2015 at 08:58 AM
   Well dear readers, you can read for yourself the level of intelligence, or lack thereof, of Steve Frisch (noted liberal and failed businessman). He claims I am a liar by referencing Jorge Ramos, famous Mexican illegal immigrant supporter (an open borders advocate) and commentator on Telemundo. Then he says go watch the video, now he says here is a Breitbart article. But Frisch doesn’t watch the whole interview and he doesn’t quote the entire article from Breitbart in an attempt to fool the readers. He is lacking in integrity regarding this issue and I believe he has mentioned he supports amnesty for the millions of illegals.
   The readers can decide for themselves who is telling the true story but in reading Frisch’s childish profanity against m position, I would say he is the fool and everyone knows it.
   At church today they satrted a series on men and are doing so by using Samsom as the example. So far it would appear to me that self proclaimed atheists like Mr. Frisch might want to read about Samson. But, then he may harm himself since he could never be a Samson-like man.

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   Scott Obermuller

   07 June 2015

   How many millions of illegals isn’t even the point. Why do we even allow one person to skate based on skin color? We were promised they wouldn’t be given the right to vote or freebies. That lie (which I never believed) didn’t last very long. Now it’s special ‘rights’ and all manner of billions to house and feed them. They were supposed to be a big boon for economy. What a laugh. The American tax payer is paying to support a Democrat voter registration drive like we’ve never seen. You may not like Ann Coulter, but she is completely correct on this issue. We will pay for this for decades to come, and a lot of the victims will be the pawns of the Dems. Sad.

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4. 

   Todd Juvinall

   07 June 2015

   Moratorium, assimilate those here legally then install ‘Bracero” type work programs. Solved!

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5. 

   Paul Emery

   07 June 2015

   Todd
   Since you continue to go after Steve F work history as the only message you have it is again appropriate to comment on your recent “work” record. My sources tell me (yes, there is more than one) that one of the reasons you were “let go” at CABPRO was because, of all things, overspending and extravagance. You live in a glass house Todd and your short term re-employment (a few months) at an organization you founded) is a legitimate topic of conversation according to your terms. I wonder if you collected unemployment after your severing?

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   George Rebane

   07 June 2015

   ScottO 1242pm – glad you reinvigorated the amnesty and maintenance issues relating to illegal aliens (no matter their number). It is a point that so far has been addressed by the Collectivists’ Cricket Corps (CCC, in memory of FDR’s alphabet soup agencies that failed to stop the Great Depression). The CCC has also been the only response to my 1148am in the 4jun15 sandbox.

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   Walt

   07 June 2015

   Great turnout for the PV run this morning. Officially and “unofficial” international
   participation. One runner from Can. and one from S.Africa.
   Got to watch the show from my driveway. Just backed up the redneck bleachers and dropped the tailgate. We cheered on all the runners as they jogged on by. My own kid placed 6th in her division. She did the full run.( half marathon)

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8. 

   George Rebane

   07 June 2015

   Walt 112pm – Congrats Walt, and thanks for sharing that little bit of Americana with us.

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9. 

   Todd Juvinall

   07 June 2015

   Paul Emery | 07 June 2015 at 12:51 PM
   Paul I have no idea what you are talking about. Please tell the readers here who gave you your information. Of course you claim to be a “press” person so you will dodge the question as “confidential”. Too funny.
   Also, since we are at it, what about you? I have heard some very interesting stories about you and your finances. So, glass house eh?

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    07 June 2015

    Todd
    My sources you’ll never know. You can straighten this out by answering three simple questions.
    1 How long did your “employment at CABPRO last in 2012
    2 Why did your employment end
    3 Did you collect unemployment after leaving
    Fire away on my finances. My banker knows

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11. 

    Gregory

    07 June 2015

    Paul, if your sources are solid regarding Todd’s “employment” you should (or should have) run it on KVMR’s “news”. If not, silence is a virtue; considering the CABPRO machinations before, during and since, it’s hard to imagine who could be considered a disinterested observer and boards remove CEOs for disagreements over spending decisions all the time.
    Frisch came here, as usual, to beat people up and Todd is a favored target. So am I. I see in the end Frisch decided not to dispute the IRS document that describes his particular tax misdeed being fraudulent without actually retracting his claim I lied when I called it tax fraud.
    No, Frisch, I don’t don’t “revel in hurting people” as you claimed in your 06 June 2015 at 09:09 PM, but as you have learned I do hit back when attacked, and, once again, you were on the attack.
    Todd, please don’t take me as a fan of your rhetoric; I am pained by the jovial manner in which you fling crap hither and yon.

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12. 

    Paul Emery

    07 June 2015

    Gregory
    The circumstances regarding Todds early exit from CABPRO were being looked at by several local media outlets but was not run because it was considered insignificant. No crimes were committed so it was just regarded as an obscure palace scuffle.

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13. 

    Gregory

    07 June 2015

    So, Paul, it wasn’t “news” then, and it isn’t “news” now? So what is it besides a snipe hunt that isn’t any of your business other than you have a thing against Todd and vice versa? Your style of boxing… find a weak point and just keep jabbing at it even if it is below the belt?

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14. 

    Paul Emery

    07 June 2015

    Gregory
    If you knew anything about boxing you would know that it’s virtually impossible jab below the belt. You would be better served to use uppercut instead of jab.

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15. 

    Todd Juvinall

    07 June 2015

    Gregory, of course you are spot on about theFrisch. My rhetoric is just plain fun for me to spit out. So, I do. It is not my goal to be liked.
    Paul Emery really has nothing because there is nothing. His sources are bogus as I said they would be. He simply is obsessed with me and that is truly creepy. Maybe he should pursue Jenner to accommodate his taste. I hear his financial situation is rather odd.

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16. 

    Bill Tozer

    07 June 2015

    All right, time out. Multiple fouls, not all offsetting. Flags are being thrown everywhere.. Unneccary roughness, encroachment, unsportsmanlike conduct, roughing the kicker, the passer, Ref, and charging the stands to kick some spectators butts to Kingdom Come.
    it is time for some of you to spend some time in the penalty box or perhaps back to the practice squad.

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17. 

    George Rebane

    07 June 2015

    BillT 256pm – Thank you Mr Tozer.

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18. 

    Gregory

    07 June 2015

    George, a stitch in time saves nine, and you’re the only one with needle and thread.

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19. 

    Don Bessee

    07 June 2015

    Ahhh fresh kitty litter, troll poop free so far! Barry- and a wonderful day to your family too sir! I see the fur ball is in fine form already with some snot and mud ball flinging. 😉 Good one Tozer.

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20. 

    George Rebane

    07 June 2015

    Seems like we’re somewhat agreed here. And since it takes at least two to tango, I would appreciate it if our stalwarts wouldn’t mind holding themselves back, and watching a solo or two before jumping into ballroom dancing.

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21. 

    Todd Juvinall

    07 June 2015

    That Samson was quite a guy. He was picked by GOD to be a Judge and then he strayed and came back later. There is a lesson there somewhere. LOL!

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22. 

    Paul Emery

    07 June 2015

    I’m off to see John McCutchen do a musical and theatrical interpretation of the life of Joe Hill, great song writer.
    Hill wrote in 1909. Not much has changed.
    We will sing one song of the meek and humble slave,
    The horn-handed son of the soil,
    He’s toiling hard from the cradle to the grave,
    But his master reaps the profits from his toil.
    Then we’ll sing one song of the greedy master class,
    They’re vagrants in broadcloth, indeed,
    They live by robbing the ever-toiling mass,
    Human blood they spill to satisfy their greed.

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23. 

    Don Bessee

    07 June 2015

    Well here are a couple of news items that may generate some conversations. The Turks have finally pulled their Prez Erdogan’s fangs by dealing his party a massive blow by taking away their parliamentary majority. He can not now become dictator president as he had hoped to with undoing the existing constitution. He had been stretching the constitution by campaigning as a sitting president for a 60% share of parliament that would have given him total control, his gang got 40% so not even a majority anymore. This could present many benefits in the long term. ==== On another front, the head of Davis and Shriners burn centers has stated that about 10% of major burn cases are from Butane Honey Oil explosions. More than home fires and car wrecks combined!

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24. 

    fish

    07 June 2015

    File under “Progressives Ruin Everything”!
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-07/professor-speaks-out-how-coddled-hyper-sensitive-undergrads-are-ruining-college-lear

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25. 

    Bob Hobert

    07 June 2015

    Al at 06:05 PM
    You made me laugh! Thanks, as this group is so disagreeable they would stop arguing if told they must argue.

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26. 

    Don Bessee

    07 June 2015

    Al at 6:05PM ??

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27. 

    Walt

    07 June 2015

    I have been watching the usual news sources in Hawaii, and at least the ones I peruse,
    have yet to tell of the state’s pulling the lifer support plug on Obummercare.
    I guess no one will really notice, since hardly a soul signed up for it. And “O”‘s (uh?) home state*.

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    Scott Obermuller

    07 June 2015

    Paul at 5:02 – hilarious. “He’s toiling hard from the cradle to the grave”
    The lay-abouts with their free cell phones, food stamps, section 8 vouchers, free health care, etc? Toiling? We know the govt steals from hard workers, please let us in on the ‘robbers’. Since you can ID them and name their crimes, why haven’t you turned them in? Crickets.

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29. 

    Scott Obermuller

    07 June 2015

    Everyone should pay attention to this:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nra-gun-blogs-videos-web-forums-threatened-by-new-obama-regulation/article/2565762
    It doesn’t matter what you think of guns or gun control. The rule covers what is considered ‘public information’. There is an ever tightening noose on free speach. It appears that they are trying to separate published information (hard copy) from digital info. Very dangerous.

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30. 

    Bob Hobert

    07 June 2015

    Sorry Don – I was clumsily referring to a link from a link in this dialogue. Goes back to our dams, or lack thereof conversation. Here it is. -Bob H
    “For the greater and progressive good, an earth friendly dam will be erected about a half mile below Nevada City.
    Said dam will be 500 feet-tall, which would contribute two-trillion acre feet of wanted product in these dire dusty despondent times.
    As a result, Ecotourism would also bring green to our area; imagine diving twixt the unreinforced manifest destiny contructs ‘mongst the
    happy fishes. It’s a green-grow gold mine, I tell ya.
    As the Climate Chaos worsens, an offstream impound would thence be sensitively-sited just below Grass Valley to be fair to the Queen.
    Once the phased mitigated projects are approved, the new County Seat is projected to be The Five Mile House since they have demonstrated their multicultural leans and elevated elevation.
    At Master Plan, the San Francisco-Golden Gate Dam, as currently centrally-planned, would enhance the environs from from Redding to Bakersfield. This friendly scheme would ensure the wants of the “just” Capitol, Los Angeles, and Mexico, I mean, SoCal.
    You can trust that the voluntaries will be amply provided for in new lands and ample safe high green pedestrian-friendly abodes while groking with like-minded folks.
    The future belongs for those of vision and you, my friend.”
    Posted by: Al | 29 August 2014 at 06:05 PM

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31. 

    Paul Emery

    07 June 2015

    re Scot
    If you would have read my post you would have easily noted that the Joe Hill song I quoted was written in 1909. Are you prepared to talk about the conditions of the working class in those days and how they compare to today?

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32. 

    Paul Emery

    08 June 2015

    In case no one has noticed Obama’s job rating has jumped 8 points in the Fox Poll in the last couple months.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

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33. 

    Bill Tozer

    08 June 2015

    Paul, I for one, did not notice. Thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Finally President Obama is getting some credit for all the wonderful things he has done to pull us closer together in this post racial era. Thankyou again. It’s about time. BTY, I did notice last week that George W Bush’s favorable ratings currently are now are higher than Obama’s. A snapshot in time.
    But, the real news is that the Yucca Moth is being threatened. This is too big for just California or a few states to handle on tts own. We need to divert water ASAP to the Mohave Desert like now. If we ever needed one of those Presidential Executive Orders it is today!! I am making my banner that reads Save the Night Lizard and plan to hang it over the overpass by Wednesday. Local media and even Channel 3, 10, and 13 news has been notified. The Kangaroo Rat needs water too. Water the desert now I say.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/drought-speeds-decline-beloved-california-desert-species-31599421

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    Scott Obermuller

    08 June 2015

    re Paul at 11:12: “If you would have read my post you would have easily noted that the Joe Hill song I quoted was written in 1909.”
    Duh – “Hill wrote in 1909. Not much has changed.”
    Apparently Paul couldn’t even remember what he had written.
    I’ll ask again, Paul – who are these ‘toilers’ and who are the ‘robbers’? You’re the one who said not much has changed.

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35. 

    fish

    08 June 2015

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 08 June 2015 at 12:09 AM
    Yeah….and all it took was continuing in the footsteps of GWB in the middle east, losing in court on amnesty and continuing to pursue your favorite treaty Paul.
    I imagine that when it passes he’ll be up 12 points.

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36. 

    Gregory

    08 June 2015

    George (4:38PM) It’s your blog and while it may take two to tango, it only takes one to start a war. If you’re going to allow blog vistors to libel other blog visitors (in the past you’ve not always tolerated blog visitors defaming you), there will be fights.
    In a recent discussion of local politics, I once again ran into someone who thought the Sierra Business Council was (get this) a council of business owners, in essence a sort of chamber of commerce of the Sierra. I can’t blame them, that’s what I thought at one time; it’s what one might expect from the name.
    It might be an interesting exercise to propose a name for the “Sierra Business Council” that is more descriptive, faithful to the truth yet not fall into caricature. A real, alternate name that, had they decided not to obfuscate their mission, they might have chosen themselves. I’ve tried, but my efforts tend to devolve into a sort of “Environmental Coercives R Us” trap.

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    fish

    08 June 2015

    Posted by: Gregory | 08 June 2015 at 08:46 AM
    It might be an interesting exercise to propose a name for the “Sierra Business Council” that is more descriptive, faithful to the truth yet not fall into caricature. A real, alternate name that, had they decided not to obfuscate their mission, they might have chosen themselves. I’ve tried, but my efforts tend to devolve into a sort of “Environmental Coercives R Us” trap.
    Perhaps something along the lines of: “Purveyors of Fine Environmental and Regulatory Indulgences”?
    Too much….?

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    Gregory

    08 June 2015

    Fish, that’s a byline not a business name, and I think you’re falling into that trap I was warning against…
    I am sort of serious… what would an honestly descriptive name be for an SBC?

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39. 

    fish

    08 June 2015

    Posted by: Gregory | 08 June 2015 at 09:16 AM
    I don’t know.
    From Steves description and some of the SBC press releases I think the “byline” is a facetious but not unreasonable description. Mr. Frisches description of comparison shopping for electrical components to keep the money local and various and sundry local “improvement” projects don’t seem like activities that really require third party involvement between a business and business activity/project. “Climate Action Plan” preparation falls squarely into the “indulgence” category.
    They do apparently do specific item business reports and projections so perhaps “Sierra Business Consultants” would suffice.
    Sierra Business Council seems, as you stated earlier, something more along the lines of a chamber of commerce.
    I guess I got nothing.

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40. 

    Paul Emery

    08 June 2015

    OK Scott
    First assignment study these charts so we can have some common ground as to the nature of the beast.
    http://datatools.urban.org/Features/wealth-inequality-charts/
    Fish, how Bush or Obama can even reach double digit support is beyond me. We need to dump the Republicratic party by voting third party.

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41. 

    Todd Juvinall

    08 June 2015

    Lazy ass people want the working people to “spread the wealth”. Am I hallucinating or are we really in the USSR?

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42. 

    George Rebane

    08 June 2015

    Kudos to our George Boardman for his 8jun15 Union column. He again raises the fiscal cancer of unfunded pension liabilities that our county and city governments have (a problem long heralded and outlined in these pages); this is an issue that cannot be brought up too often these days. We recall that these cancerous pensions were installed by past supervisors and council members who knew absolutely nothing about how their handiwork would eventually metastasize. At the time those dummies just wanted peace and tranquility with their public employees so that the voters’ feathers would not be ruffled by inconvenient public employee strikes of slowdowns. In the final analysis it was, or course, we sheeple who elected the dummies and then paid no attention to what they were doing.
    Mr Boardman’s recounting of his rejection by Nevada County Peeps brings a smile to my face. Here is a website that purports to be knowledgeable about Nevada County and local issues, and then has no idea of who prominent columnist George Boardman is because the man doesn’t maintain a Facebook page with a sufficiently informative profile. Boardman’s retort to his rejection revived Groucho Marx’s famous reply about his club memberships. My own takeaway is that it looks like Peeps may not be the all-knowing site on things local that it claims to be, and therefore Mr Boardman’s rejection will really make no never-mind to folks who pay attention to local happenings.
    Anyway, the Boardman column is paywalled here –
    http://www.theunion.com/opinion/16704168-113/george-boardman-pension-burden-threatens-to-crowd-out
    PaulE 948am – Interesting site you cite as a basis for discussing income and wealth inequalities. I’d recommend that your discussants also look at some causal factors and familiarize themselves with the widely used Gini Index.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/03/our-new-course-is-declared.html
    If you’re not careful, this discussion will become just another tiresome lap around ‘the rich are taking away what belongs to the poor’ zero-sum barn. Developing some objective causal factors for these inequalities that include culture, education, and government programs would help.

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43. 

    Paul Emery

    08 June 2015

    George
    I’m not looking for a solution here just pointing out the rather startling realities of income inequality and how it breaks down racially. The causes are deep, the solutions so far not effective.
    Todd
    There are many poor people who work very hard and find it impossible to get ahead because their earnings even if they work 80 hours a week will not support them or their families. These people are the opposite of “lazy ass”.

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44. 

    Scott Obermuller

    08 June 2015

    OK – so Paul says in 1909 there were ‘toilers’ and robbers’ and since then not much has changed. I asked who the toilers and robbers are today and he can’t do it. You brought it up, Paul. If you can’t explain your own post, just admit it. I know folks have different incomes and wealth accumulation. Always have, always will. The facts are that as the govt increases intrusion and regulation into the market, the greater the wealth difference. That’s what govt does. Happened in the 30’s and it’s happened again.

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45. 

    Todd Juvinall

    08 June 2015

    Paul Emery 11:00 am
    Then they are poor managers of their money. Jeeze, can you libs make any more excuses for people that just don’t have the smarts? Besides, I sure would like to know what you libs mean by “income inequality” Do you want the poor to be handed enough money to be “equal” with Warren Buffet? Or George Soros? You see Paul Emery, you really have no idea what you are talking about or even what the solution to your make-believe problem might be.
    The history of the world was changed by the birth of America and this country has afforded all an equal opportunity to succeed. Hell, we even pay for a free K-12 education and only half the urchins finish that freebie!
    My guess is the libs such as yourself are just financial failures and want others to pick up their slack. No more excuses for their condition in this free and wonderful country. Stop the whining and get to work. Hell the “makers” transferred 20 trillion to the slackers and they are still in the same boat!

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46. 

    Paul Emery

    08 June 2015

    “urchins” really Todd

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47. 

    Scott Obermuller

    08 June 2015

    “There are many poor people who work very hard and find it impossible to get ahead because their earnings even if they work 80 hours a week will not support them or their families.”
    Yes – ‘many’. But what percentage of the population? .0002%? How about we lower the cost of living? Why is the answer always hand out more money? I’m well aware of folks that pump out kids and then expect that some how magically, they are owed more and more money from society. How about graduating from at least high school and getting married and earn a good living and then having kids? That has nothing to do with how rich or poor you are, just what decisions you make. Poor people make poor decisions. Of course you can’t raise a family flipping burgers. It’s no different than expecting a horse to pull a freight train. The laws of physics are just the same as the laws of finance. There’s nothing in the Bill Of Rights that says I can just do whatever and society owes me.

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    Paul Emery

    08 June 2015

    Todd
    “My guess is the libs such as yourself are just financial failures”
    Since you are again resorting to personal attacks I again have to ask you how long did you collect unemployment insurance after your short tenure at CABPRO?

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49. 

    Scott Obermuller

    08 June 2015

    Paul – can you contribute anything to the conversation?
    Or discuss your original post?

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50. 

    Scott Obermuller

    08 June 2015

    I guess Paul really doesn’t want to discuss his original post. Just another troll, eh Paul?

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