243 responses to “Sandbox – 1jun15”

1. 

   Walt

   02 June 2015

   WOW!! “O” now claims to be Jewish!(??) ” I’m the closest thing to a Jew that’s ever held the office”
   Yup,, Bill called it. Alfred E. Newman is right.

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   Paul Emery

   02 June 2015

   My contention is aimed at anyone who thinks there is a significant difference in either political party when it comes to the big issues. My overall belief that historically government is not the friends of the people but rather the agent of the ruling class. Political parties are just an ornamental display to make people think there is a difference.

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   Ben Emery

   02 June 2015

   Let the Patriot Act and all other civil liberty destroying DHS associated policies be ended. DHS is nothing but a cronyism give away to military complex with the facade of security attached to it.

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   fish

   02 June 2015

   Posted by: Ben Emery | 02 June 2015 at 03:47 PM
   2 for 2 this week Ben!

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   fish

   02 June 2015

   Posted by: Paul Emery | 02 June 2015 at 03:45 PM
   …and yet you still seem to think the “single payer health care” is a good idea!
   That’s some absolutely first rate cognitive dissonance there Paul!

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6. 

   Don Bessee

   02 June 2015

   I think much of those bible tales all hocus pocus anyway. @2:33 How literate.

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   Scott Obermuller

   02 June 2015

   from jon – “Not sure I see where he separated good rich people from bad rich people.”
   You’ve got it backwards, jon. He doesn’t care how much or how little money you have. He does care whether you are good or bad. Period. The poor have the same exact responsiblity to honor God and follow the 10 Commandments as the wealthy. The entire point Jesus made was that you are personally responsible to do right no matter what the circumstances of your life. No grading on the curve. No sliding scale for income differences. Free market capitalism is perfectly in line with the teachings of Christ. There are many examples.
   I really am fascinated by the hatred you have for the Koch bros. What laws have they broken? What have they done to you?

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8. 

   fish

   02 June 2015

   Progressive faction on progressive faction cannibalism……good day for me to be a misanthrope!

   “But already we’re moving on. Personally, if I were to undergo “gender reassignment”, I would wish to emerge as a beautiful, desirable womanly woman. But Marc Lamont Hill, Distinguished Professor of African-American Studies at Morehouse College and host of “Our World with Black Enterprise”, will have no truck with that:
   Between the Vanity Fair spread and “she’s so pretty” convos, we’ve smuggled in the same old cis/Eurocentric narratives about womanhood.
   Scaramouche’s trans poster girl may be more to Professor Lamont Hill’s taste. But, for what it’s worth, Gabriel Paul agreed with him:
   @Jewles@marclamonthill Well now we need to have a conversation on respectability &white privilege in the framing of TransLives in that case
   Miss Ann Thrope (possibly not her real name) responded:
   @marclamonthill so true. Money bought that beauty – plain and simple. It’s not that way for less advantaged trans ppl.
   So ObamaCare ought to cover Vanity Fair-level industrial-strength airbrushing by mandating not just gender reassignment but totally smokin’ gender reassignment. But wait a minute, isn’t referring to “less advantaged trans ppl” buying into the cis/Eurocentric white-privilege narrative of denying transpeople the right to transition into dumpy unattractive women?
   Fortunately, Juliana showed up to point out that the African-American Studies guy had committed the ultimate act of cisgenderist sexism:
   @marclamonthill She chose to do the spread. Sorry, we cis folks don’t get to tell trans people how to present themselves to the world.
   You can get whiplash trying to follow the strictures of identity politics. Like I said, the GOP should nominate Miss Jenner, just to mess with Democrat heads.”

   http://www.steynonline.com/6988/deathbed-eurocentrism-and-rampant-ciscentrism

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9. 

   fish

   02 June 2015

   Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 02 June 2015 at 04:02 PM
   I really am fascinated by the hatred you have for the Koch bros. What laws have they broken? What have they done to you?
   They serve the same role as “Emmanuel Goldstein” did in “1984” a focus for progressive hate and exemplar of evil in the progressive political narrative!

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10. 

    fish

    02 June 2015

    Wow…we are all “Emmanuel Goldstein” when the government desperately needs revenue!
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sen-whitehouse-d-ri-suggests-using-rico-laws-global-warming-skeptics_963007.html

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11. 

    Jon

    02 June 2015

    Scott,
    And that’s exactly why there is a progressive/liberal branch of Christianity that totally disagrees with you and the conservative wing as they read the same book. Ah, religion.
    The Kochs and other billionaires have done plenty to corrupt the electoral process in the USA, more than it has ever been corrupted in the history of our nation. Millions of others agree.

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12. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    With the reports from some states of 30-40% increases in obama care premiums being proposed to ensure solvency the last of the big lies will be clearly exposed. Keep your plan (no not really, just kidding), keep your doctor (oopsie didn’t really mean that), I will lower your premiums, (for a little bit anyway). Now if the Supremes come down on 0care we will see some fancy footwork to try and make us forget the promises. Pelosi was right, it just took a few years to really know what was in the bill. Any prognostications on how the Supremes are going rule and how it will play next Nov.?

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13. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 June 2015

    Jonnie never answers our questions. Must be a Paul Emery troll/puppet.
    The Koch brothers are really great patriotic Americans and they put their money where their mouth id. To protect the individual liberties of all. I guess jonnie is against liberty and those that actually try to maintain it. My guess is he is a “commissar” in his soul (oops, I mean if he has one).
    The Bible is a sacred book and both Christians and Jews believe in it as the WORD of GOD. You can liberalize I suppose but the bottom line is faith. jonnie has none and Paul Emery prays to the Stonehenge Druids. To each their own.

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14. 

    Paul Emery

    02 June 2015

    Fish
    Single payer is the best system currently in use in many parts of the world. It is way better than the mess we have now and the nothingness that came before. What “system” do you propose or should we just let people without medical means suffer and die? ? Romney just believed we should send everyone without insurance to the emergency room. That’s the best the pubbers came up with. What’s your best idea?

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15. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    Well that is just so convincing- ‘Millions of other agree’ LOL!

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16. 

    George Rebane

    02 June 2015

    Wow, the wait for a liberal to answer substance with substance gives new meaning to ‘eternity’ – for an example see jon’s 427pm.

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17. 

    fish

    02 June 2015

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 02 June 2015 at 05:02 PM
    I have no solution. Neither do you. Nevertheless I’m endlessly entertained at your railing at those aspects of government that you hate, corruption, cronyism, etc. but when it comes to the prospect of government run health care those concerns simply flit away….conditions impossible to imagine and blissfully forgotten in the glow of some Paul Emery conceived Frank Capra film branded American version of the NHS.
    I’ll make to you the same suggestion I did when you were crowing about your trip to Portland, “….a well managed, very progressive city”…..move to where the food is.
    If you want GovCare emigrate.

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 June 2015

    So single payer is just dandy eh? Britain is now in the throes of an overhaul becasue it is BKing them. Paul Emery, for a guy that dislikes political parties (in which a person is free to join or not)you want every single American to be forced join the “single payer boogie”! Wow, now that is truly a cognitive imbalance!

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19. 

    George Rebane

    02 June 2015

    PaulE 502pm – For some years in these pages I have tried to educate liberals (and you) about the travails of European single payer health care systems. The response to factual attributes about such systems has been answered by the usual progressive cricket platoons. You never answer substance with substance. For the nth time, please google ‘status of Scandinavian single payer health care systems’ and respond to what you read there about 1) the quality of service they deliver, 2) their current financial travails, and 3) their long term sustainability. Our under-informed liberals continue to sing the socialist song of guaranteed fiscal disaster – and ‘they haven’t hit bottom yet’ is not a viable policy proposition.

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20. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 June 2015

    Dr. Rebane. Might I suggest you gently nudge readers to the excellent post “Medicaid, the Growing Morass” since we are on single payer once again. Medicaid is indeed single payer and it is not the recipient that is paying. The reader will also be delighted to find excellent comments.
    Mr. Walt, can’t remember or say what kind of trail it was that fateful night. It was bright, the object much much bigger than an airplane, smaller than the moon, slower that a asteroid, faster and brighter than a big ole jetliner coming to carry me away., About the size of your middle fingernail held up 2 feet away. What kind of gas? Silent but deadly? Well, it didn’t have a blue flame when lit with a match if that is what you be inquiring about. Gotta wait for camping trips to play that game. Happened too quick, yet moved slowly. I was star struck. Maybe it was just NASA working on the Muslim World’s self esteem. Priorities you know.

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21. 

    Scott Obermuller

    02 June 2015

    “The Kochs and other billionaires have done plenty to corrupt the electoral process in the USA, more than it has ever been corrupted in the history of our nation.”
    Oh – for the good ol’ days of Tammany Hall. All was clean as the driven snow.
    You have said absolutely nothing, jon.
    Last time I checked, folks of all stripes can run and I can vote for anyone I want. Specifics, please. Laws broken? What and whom have been corrupted? Are you saying the Kochs elected Obama?
    I never tire of asking this question. Since you claim they buy votes, how much did you get? Always crickets. To paraphrase Lenny Bruce – ‘I didn’t get a nickel’!
    As far as some Christians who ‘read the same book’ – I would say they need to read the whole book. You don’t get to pick and choose. If you do that, you’re just making it up. Please tell me where in the Bible free market capitalism is denounced.

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22. 

    Scott Obermuller

    02 June 2015

    George at 5:45 – Let’s not forget the part lawyers play in the Euro health care system. As in – nowhere. Cut the wrong leg off? Ach – vell, mistakes happen ya know! Here’s a free wheelchair and a voucher for a free sh*t-box in the ghetto to live in for life! By-ee!
    How much do Euro-docs pay for insurance? Crickets, crickets and more crickets.
    You want Euro-care? First – start paying a lot more taxes. Now. It’s all part of B Sanders lifting up of the middle class. Just think – the unemployed guy next door pouring alcohol down his throat daily gives you the big thumbs up for the liver transplant you just paid for. Pretty cool!
    And the kiosks in Mexico City to sign up the next wave of illegals for American free health care when they hit the sands of Huntington Beach will have Dem party sign-ups to boot! No wonder the Army is practicing hitching rides in horse trailers. How many countries have a plethora of horse trailers?

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23. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 June 2015

    Mr. fish. I cannot believe my eyes when I read that Caitlyn came out of the closet as a….a….Republican and was forgiven!!! Say it is not true. Sure, money bought that beauty, but being forgiven for committing the unforgivable sin is plum unheard of in the open minded circles of progressivism A Republican (and a nice firm smoking one at that) is Forgiven! for her political preferences by libholes. How big of them.. Fact is stranger than fiction.

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24. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    Well now. Seems Ca. is now filthy rich!
    Health care for illegals is now moving right along.
    http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2015/4/16/calif-senate-committee-oks-bill-for-undocumented-health-coverage
    What happened to the law against that, we the people of the state passed? ( yup,, just write another)

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25. 

    Bill Tozer

    02 June 2015

    Well, this raghead won’t cost us a dime in Medicaid expenses no mo. One down, a truckload more to go. It’s for the children. Dead ragheads also leave no carbon footprint…or at the very least, reduce their carbon footprint for a long long time. That is a good thing.
    http://news.yahoo.com/boston-police-officer-shoots-kills-possible-terror-suspect-175503467–abc-news-topstories.html;_ylt=A0SO8z6dXG5VzZQAP07BGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyM3RxajlxBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjAxNzZfMQRzZWMDc2M-

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26. 

    George Rebane

    02 June 2015

    ScottO 627pm – Good point about our lawyers and corrupt tort system. I should have also mentioned that as I have before. But you are right, trying to build single payer healthcare on our current legal system is like ordering the Titanic to flank speed as it heads for the iceberg.

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27. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    Good story Bill,, but I also saw the story on the six legged chicken on that page.
    The first person to get me one of those, I will BBQ to your liking. It will just fit my cooker. Now there is a GMO I can sink my teeth into. KFC should be proud. Not sueing.

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28. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    Hay Todd!! Do you ever go by Zack? No wonder that car with the tripod on top turned around.
    http://www.ncscooper.com/area-man-stalks-bing-streetside-camera-carexposes-himself/

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29. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 June 2015

    Hay Walt, nope that wasn’t me. Maybe Pelline’s sock puppet? Could be Jon or Joe though they seem to be more the kind. LOL!

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30. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    OK ,,, just check’n. I didn’t know if you needed a witness in court.

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31. 

    Jon

    02 June 2015

    Hay Don,
    Yes, millions of Americans oppose the Koch Brothers and their attempt to sway legislation to their benefit.

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32. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    But they are more than happy with Warren buffet and George Soros doing just that.
    Right “jon”? It’s fine and dandy. So… How many oil trains owned by Buffet have fallen off the tracks? It’s because of HIS influence that tank car standards have not been raised.. ” Just TOO expensive, and would cut into his profits”. ( Yaa.. look into that)
    In the mean time, what’s a few towns getting fried in oil fires?

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    George Rebane

    02 June 2015

    Jon 744pm – I can’t believe that you think citing “millions of Americans oppose the Koch Brothers” is any kind of substantial reply to the question of what things illegal, immoral, or fattening have those two extremely generous capitalists done to deserve your opprobrium. But I suppose the liberal mind is what it is.

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34. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 June 2015

    Jonnie, please supply us the proof of your last statement. Millions hate the Koch Brothers? Wow! Or is that just liberal hyperbole? You people are too funny! Prepare yourselves for a Rep blowout in 2016.

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35. 

    Jon

    02 June 2015

    Todd, can you read? Millions OPPOSE the Koch Brothers and their money used in elections. Where is the word HATE?
    300 million people in this country. I stick with my comment. But best of luck with your pick in 2016 as well! Your track record appears stellar.
    LOL.

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36. 

    George Rebane

    02 June 2015

    re Jon 821pm – for the more even-handed reader I draw their attention to Jon’s crickets replying to my 808pm. It was much more important to divert by pointing out ToddJ’s 811pm misquote, than to tackle the toughie that would deposit egg-on-face. And so goes the conversation between the poles.

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37. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    So a million morons agree and we should all just agree too because your ilk say so??? Go tell it to 0, harry reid and peolosi, they love smoke being blown up their rear. Your trolling is on par with the chili fry fueled fue. What ever you are. Talking points and no demonstrable knowledge is always a formula for failure as you keep finding out.

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38. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    And totally ignore the facts (yes facts) about the Lefty billionaires.
    Millions? Got a poll you can reference? It right up there with “FOX LIES!!” ( but can’t name one lie) Come on “joe”,, I’m sure you can find SOME manufactured data,, Try Mother Jones?
    But some good news for ya’,, Old man Sanders is beating Hillary with her broom in the polls. But the bad news is anyone on the Right running is leaving him in the dust.
    LIBS got nothing without the independent vote. I have yet to see many Independents bowing to Socialism. They are not to hip with Sanders and his 80% taxation idea.
    You care to cough up 80% of your taxable income? DO tell…

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39. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    Uh,,, “jon”… Sorry to pee on your leg,, but you asked for it.
    I did a search on your claim,, ” million oppose the Koch bros.” and,,,, Nuttn.. ZILCH,Nadda, Nyet. In plain English,, Bullshit.
    Better luck next time.

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40. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    Its a sad day for the jon-joe-jeffys of the world. Since Verizon is buying AOL who is the parent for HuffPo it is being reported that Queen Huff is heading into the sunset. Poor babies, first it was Al ‘the sky has fallen’ Gore’s TV channel and now the Queen Huff, where will they go for drivel, distortion and disinformation? I know there are plenty of other deluded dunderheads who can parrot the party line but how many icons can they afford to loose from an emotional and self-esteem standpoint? 😉

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41. 

    Paul Emery

    02 June 2015

    George, Fish
    My friends in Denmark have no complaints about their health care system. In Denmark health care facilities are part of the infrastructure like highways and bridges. The system is maintained and updated as necessary. That’s just one example. George, the tort system in Denmark virtually eliminates malpractice lawsuits as is the case in most national health care systems..
    We have a fundamental difference in values here which I can accept as irreparable. I believe adequate health care is the responsibility of a modern culture and you believe it should be a natural part of capitalist economy. What happens to those not insured or financially enabled to purchase necessary health care under your vision is anybody’s guess. As I said, Romney, the last Repub offering said let them go to the emergency rooms. Is that shat you consider a solution?
    George, your draconian predictions as to the ultimate economic devastation for those states that have national health care is just that, your opinion. So far history has shown that not to be true. That prediction would include EVERY country in the modern world because all countries have national health care of some kind except the most poor and desperate. You speak of it as a fact but it is not, it is only your theory and nothing else since it has yet to happen. Even contemporary Conservative leaders such as Tony Abbott of Australia embrace and support their national health care system never once saying it should be scrapped or abandoned though he recommends some changes that have provento be unpopular
    Here’s a list of all the countries in the world that George believes are going to go bankrupt soon.
    Contents
    1 Africa
    2 Asia
    2.1 Bhutan
    2.2 Hong Kong
    2.3 India
    2.4 Israel
    2.5 Macau
    2.6 People’s Republic of China
    2.7 Singapore
    2.8 Taiwan
    2.9 Thailand
    3 Europe
    3.1 Austria
    3.2 Denmark
    3.3 Finland
    3.4 France
    3.5 Germany
    3.6 Greece
    3.7 Guernsey / Jersey
    3.8 Iceland
    3.9 Ireland
    3.10 Isle of Man
    3.11 Italy
    3.12 Luxembourg
    3.13 Netherlands
    3.14 Norway
    3.15 Romania
    3.16 Russia and Soviet Union
    3.17 Serbia
    3.18 Sweden
    3.19 Switzerland
    3.20 United Kingdom
    3.20.1 England
    3.20.2 Northern Ireland
    3.20.3 Scotland
    3.20.4 Wales
    4 North America
    4.1 Canada
    4.2 Cuba
    4.3 Mexico
    4.4 Trinidad and Tobago
    4.5 United States
    5 South America
    5.1 Argentina
    5.2 Brazil
    5.3 Chile
    5.4 Colombia
    5.5 Peru
    6 Oceania
    6.1 Australia
    6.2 New Zealand
    .

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42. 

    Walt

    02 June 2015

    “Jon”.. Taking notes on BS from Geraldo?
    “Geraldo later denied that guns are used by law-abiding citizens to stop crimes. He asked fellow host Eric Bolling, “When was the last time you heard of a civilian stopping a crime with a gun?”
    The full story here.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/02/geraldo-vince-vaughn-sounds-like-timothy-mcveigh-defending-gun-rights/
    Actually,, there is a story I read today about a citizen with a gun stopping a crime YESTERDAY. ( and the day before,, and the day before that,,,)

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43. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    PE- Based on balance sheets many are already or just one hiccup away.

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44. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 June 2015

    Actually “jonnie” millions love the Koch brothers. My goodness you certainly are a dufus troll. LOL!

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45. 

    Paul Emery

    02 June 2015

    Let me know when it happens Don (the hicckup). For most nations health care is a much smaller part of their GDP. We top them all at 17.1% which it has been for years. Here are the numbers if you want to check them out. Looks like we’ll be the first to go. Denmark is 10.6 for example
    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

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46. 

    Paul Emery

    02 June 2015

    This is beyond hilarious. You cannot invent someone like Santorum, Talking about the Pope he says:
    “Santorum described himself as a “huge fan” of the pope and said he appreciates the pontiff’s commitment to family issues, but he wants the church to stay out of science.
    “The church has gotten it wrong a few times on science, and I think that we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists and focusing on what we’re really good at, which is theology and morality,” Santorum said. “When we get involved with political and controversial scientific theories, I think the church is not as forceful and credible.”
    I mean give me a break! Catholics believe the Pope has a direct line to the guy in the sky and Santorum says bug out of it I know more than you do. Unreal hypocrisy!!!

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    Paul Emery

    02 June 2015

    link
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/02/rick-santorum-pope-climat_n_7498768.html

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48. 

    Don Bessee

    02 June 2015

    Back to the original point, our costs are inflated by sharks and insurance costs. Thanks for the confirmation. Your distraction to that factoid evades the larger issue. Which one of those countries you are pointing to have a budget surplus? We collect more taxes in the US than ever and like CA just look for more ways to spend it. That’s not Sustainable.

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49. 

    Bill Tozer

    03 June 2015

    Paul, I just glanced at the first two countries on your list of countries that have some form of national healthcare.
    What is up with #1?? And what is up with progressives calling Africa a country lately? Must be something in the bottled water. #2 on the list of countries is Asia. Hmmm.
    Oh, I get it now. It took a moment to get your joke. See, you do have a sense of humor. Good one. Almost had me fooled. Africa and Asia are countries. Funny man. Maybe a Common Core question in the future. Where is the country of Africa? Paul, you got me rolling with that one.

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50. 

    fish

    03 June 2015

    I mean give me a break! Catholics believe the Pope has a direct line to the guy in the sky and Santorum says bug out of it I know more than you do. Unreal hypocrisy!!!
    Oh Paul…..I’m sure that if the Pope said, “Be not concerned with the material world” in reference to the climate change hoax you would have said something to the effect, “I mean give me a break! Catholics believe the Pope has a direct line to the guy in the sky so think they know more than scientists do. Now were letting a corrupt religious institution set public policy for the world? Unreal hypocrisy!!!

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