Sandbox – 18mar15

March 2015
S	M	T	W	T	F	S
1	2	3	4	5	6	7
8	9	10	11	12	13	14
15	16	17	18	19	20	21
22	23	24	25	26	27	28
29	30	31

OUR LINKS

YubaNet
White House Blog
Watts Up With That?
The Union
Sierra Thread
RL “Bob” Crabb
Barry Pruett Blog

Sandbox – 18mar15

18 March 2015

[Am on travel and daily connectivity is iffy. Am very interested in hearing readers' take on what is the definitive yet plausible disclosure about Hillary's emails that would start other Dems coming out of the woodwork to throw their hats into the ring for 2016. So far everything looks like the email thing may become yesterday's newspaper if nothing more is revealed – which to me would be outrageous.]

Posted in Comment Sandbox

195 responses to “Sandbox – 18mar15”

fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 20 March 2015 at 08:32 AM
As fat as Goering, manipulative as Goebbels, and as thin skinned as der FUErher himself.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

jeffpelline says:
March 20, 2015 at 8:44 am
It should. But “we’re all Constitutionalists now” — at least when it fits the agenda of political activists. Extremism begets more extremism.
jeffy…Northwestern called….they want their credential back. They’re tired of your idiocy tarnishing their brand!

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

jeffpelline says: March 20, 2015 at 8:52 am
jiffy you could at least format those passages a little better show the delicate flowers who frequent your knitting circle can follow the argument.
…or didn’t they teach un you that at newspaperin skool?

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“fish,” you’re even more ignorant that you sound (in print and in person). LOL.
Here’s a little background on the poet E.E. Cummings: “‘It was with these collections of the 1920s that Cummings established his reputation as an avant-garde poet conducting daring experiments with language. Speaking of these language experiments, M. L. Rosenthal wrote in The Modern Poets: A Critical Introduction: “The chief effect of Cummings’ jugglery with syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in conventional usage…. He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the cute commonplace.’”
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/e-e-cummings

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

stevefrisch says:
March 20, 2015 at 9:04 am
Of course they are defending to over on the ‘circle of stupid’ but in this case they may not be COMPLETELY stupid.
The solution to nonsensical propositions like this is a state constitutional amendment addressing how proposition are qualified for the California ballot. My organization supported such an amendment a few years back that would have, a) raised the fees for filing initiatives, b) require pre-screening of initiatives for constitutionality and provide a ‘cooling off period’ to ensure we don’t spend an inordinate amount of time on initiatives that are blatantly unconstitutional, c) provide legislative analysis in advance of qualifying initiatives so the financial consequences are clearer, d) require a signature threshold based on the average number of voters in a statewide election over the last 10 years instead of the number of voters in the last Gubernatorial election, amongst other things.
Many of those ‘other things’ were included in SB 1253 signed into law by the Governor in 2014, which improves transparency around initiatives for voters and provides some logical ‘off ramps’ for initiate sponsors should they seek to remove a previously qualified initiate from the ballot, but in my humble opinion the SB 1252 did not go far enough.
The place where the wing nuts have it right is that there should not be any sort of arbitrary or capricious means of unilaterally removing a citizens initiative based on its content,but there could be a ‘constitutional filter’ applied by amendment, unless of course the entire ‘citizens initiative’ process is eliminated from California state law, which I would not support. The reality is only about half of the states even have the initiative-referendum process.
Well it’s like you say Steve, we have to deal with the law as it is, not as how we would like it to be. The matter under discussion is complete idiocy and yet your spherical friend has yet another case of the vapors.

LikeLike
Joe Koyote

20 March 2015

This ballot proposal is akin to yelling fire in a theater, and as such should not protected under the 1st amendment. There are too many sick puppies out there who would take it seriously. While I agree that the initiative process is flawed, time consuming, and often wasteful, the author could have picked a less volatile subject than advocating the murder of gays. If he wanted some serious change in our society, why not advocate shooting Republicans in the head instead, they are way more useless than gays?

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 09:11 AM
You flabby useless idiot…..I wasn’t commenting about your poetry post. I’m was referring to the initiative question that you breathlessly carried back to your whiniest and plopped down like so many jeffy turds.
This you moron…
jeffpelline says:
March 20, 2015 at 8:52 am
Sure enough, Greg, here’s the “commentary” appearing on George Rebane’s blog this morning — an exchange between “fish” (a hard-right political proponent out of Carmichael who comments on our local hard-right blogs) and Todd Juvinall:
“Is the Nevada City/Grass Valley metroplex suffering under some collective hysteria today?
“GregZaller says: March 20, 2015 at 8:28 am
“I don’t understand why this wouldn’t simply be considered hate speech, and illegal.
“Because you lefty f***s haven’t yet been able to criminalize speech!
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States
“…or didn’t you know that Greg?
“Posted by: fish | 20 March 2015 at 08:35 AM”
“fish
Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 20 March 2015 at 08:32 AM
As fat as Goering, manipulative as Goebbels, and as thin skinned as der FUErher himself.
Posted by: fish | 20 March 2015 at 08:43 AM”
Go “moderate” yourself!

LikeLike
RL Crabb

20 March 2015

Joe Koyote9:14am – I believe Republicans in California are protected by the endangered species act.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

…..and hey….cultured wordsmith!
It’s not E.E. Cummings. e.e. cummings always referred to himself in his work as “e e cummings”. One would think that an educated man could give him his due in this regard when discussing his work.
I guess not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings#Name_and_capitalization

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Proving to be just as stupid as I’ve come to appreciate……
This ballot proposal is akin to yelling fire in a theater, and as such should not protected under the 1st amendment. There are too many sick puppies out there who would take it seriously. While I agree that the initiative process is flawed, time consuming, and often wasteful, the author could have picked a less volatile subject than advocating the murder of gays. If he wanted some serious change in our society, why not advocate shooting Republicans in the head instead, they are way more useless than gays?
Supreme court already decided that this doesn’t fall into the “incitement” category JoKe. Ironically I suspect that, “why not advocate shooting Republicans in the head instead, they are way more useless than gays?”, does.
Now be a good lad and climb back into your Victory Gin bottle and let the adults talk.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“fish,” is this you? http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2011/tle603-20110116-02.html LOL.

LikeLike
Barry Pruett

20 March 2015

While I am of the firm opinion that the proponents of this ballot measure are complete idiots and while I firmly support gay marriage,
limits on free speech allows idiots like these people to hide in the shadows.
“Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant.” Allow them to destroy themselves in public…it should not take long.
Of course, Pelline would be advocating to censor folks. After all, he knows what we all should be saying. Only a devout leftist would advocate censorship. He should be appointed the head of the Nevada County version of the Glavlit (General Directorate for the Protection of State Secrets in the Press under the Council of Ministers of the USSR…err…Nevada County).

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

Barry,
Did you forget to take your anger management pills this morning?

LikeLike
Barry Pruett

20 March 2015

Are you kidding? It is March Madness! I am in seventh heaven! Did you see the son of the coach for Georgia State hit that shot five feet behind the arch last night at the buzzer! My eyes watered to see the dad so proud of his son and his team.
Also, I advocate for your free speech Jeffy. “Allow them to destroy themselves in public…it should not take long.”

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 09:26 AM
We’ve already covered this jeffy. I know you and your buddies are afraid of inanimate objects. Your former colleague (I assume) Marshall Kilduff penned a column so pants shittingly stupid that in retrospect I’m surprised it wasn’t your name on the byline.
Was there no Human Resources quality control at the Examiner/Chronicle at all during your tenure?

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

A better question is whether there is any human resources quality control at your uh, “creative” business in Carmichael?

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 09:42 AM
A better question is whether there is any human resources quality control at your uh, “creative” business in Carmichael?
While I haven’t yet taken the plunge into the “glossy, empty, and vapid advertising circular” arena, I had considered opening a Donut shop in town so you and I might have the opportunity to meet face to face!

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

No comments about your e e cummings mistakes jiffy?
Run away….run away!!!!

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

Fish, You didn’t answer my question.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 09:50 AM
You didn’t answer mine?

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

David,
E.E. Cummings referred to himself in the lower case, but when the rest of us refer to him it is in the upper case, just like all proper names.
Now, as I said, “A better question is whether there is any human resources quality control at your uh, “creative” business in Carmichael?”

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 10:07 AM
My uh, “creative” business in Carmichael?”

LikeLike
Joe Koyote

20 March 2015

Carp–“let the adults talk.”– surely you aren’t speaking about yourself. And on the subject of cognitive dissonance, the first reaction is always to shoot the messenger which seems to be the only response you can muster.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 20 March 2015 at 10:14 AM
Well Joke you weighed in with, “This ballot proposal is akin to yelling fire in a theater, and as such should not protected under the 1st amendment”, when it appears both under precedents already established at the federal level and with the California AGs admission that there isn’t much she can do about it…one can only assume that yours was a “childish” response.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

when it appears both under precedents already established at the federal level regarding what is considered protected speech…….

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 20 March 2015 at 10:14 AM
….the first reaction is always to shoot the messenger which seems to be the only response you can muster.
Ah..not true Joe…while I in general find your political positions rather ridiculous I have conceded that you have made valid points in the past.
Recently though….not so much!

LikeLike
joe smith

20 March 2015

Speaking of the Balloonman! An amazing display of ignorance or avarice on Pugslie’s part to print the e.e. cuminings In-Just during the Lamphier debacle. Perhaps Jeffy and Terry are in cahoots? The little, queer, cloven footed balloonman whistling to the boys and girls is, of course, Pan the half man half goat playing his flute to lure children into the woods, no doubt to fill his famously insatiable sexually appetite. Happy spring indeed.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

What’s up “fish”? Why do you hide behind the name “fish” rather than writing your real name: David Larsen of Carmichael? What are you afraid of?

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“Joe Smith” I’ve never heard that interpretation of the poem but to an ignorant, bigoted redneck like you, it probably makes sense. ROFLOL.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 10:40 AM
One would think that with a resume in the tech industry as extensive as yours that you would have run into the concept of “blog handles” before. I may be incorrect in my assumption and that because you probably spent as much or more time fetching coffee for the CNet guys as you did for Herb Caen that that kept you away from exposure to the real world and you missed it.
You “outed” me…what over a year ago…..and yet here we are. I post as ‘fish’ because it’s what I’m used to at this point.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

No “fish” you’re just a coward with a personality disorder.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 10:40 AM
I already know the answer jeffy but why don’t you tell the assembled why you have the “real name” fetish?

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

Because I believe people should be accountable for their comments rather than throw rocks and hide in the corner, like you do. Chicken little personified.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 10:50 AM
Yes Mrs Kravitz…..you’ve certainly nailed me….why don’t you go mince around Nevada City telling all your “friends”.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“fish,” they already know. You’ve done more to sink this blog’s credibility than anybody. Thanks!

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Although a relatively minor character on Bewitched, the role was memorable enough that the term “Gladys Kravitz” entered the American lexicon, and is even today used as a synonym for a nosy neighbor or colleague.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Kravitz
Yes Gladys……

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“fish,” I don’t even think Freud could help you, much less Dr. Phil. The fact that you gravitate to the hard-right blogs in western Nevada County from Carmichael, given all the content that is out in the blogosphere, speaks volumes about them. You have made my day! BTW, I will be interviewing you for my book “State of Jefferson.” It would be incomplete without you.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 10:52 AM
Because I believe people should be accountable for their comments rather than throw rocks and hide in the corner, like you do. Chicken little personified.
If you feel that there is something that I need to “held responsible” for you have:
1) My name
2) my e-mail…..when you said that all a person needed to post at the Fathills Report was to use real name and provide contact information
3) Where I live
Now since you love to speed dial Sheriff Royal any time you think somebody has even hinted at…and I chuckle at the phrase…threatening you. I can only assume that your soft noggin has failed to detect any comments that rise to that level.
How else am I to be held “accountable” for what I’ve posted? I

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

I will be interviewing you for my book “State of Jefferson.” It would be incomplete without you.
Well, the “vanity press” eagerly awaits your weighty tome. I can’t imagine why you would want to interview me though as I’m not now and have never been a proponent of the SOJ and rather find myself in agreement with Frisch on it’s chances of surviving the process.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

The Sheriff told me that the right wing bloggers and political activists “feed off each other.” No kidding! And let’s face it, a clown whose metaphors are Mrs. Kravitz from Bewitched is not exactly a mental giant. “Begone!” LOL.

LikeLike
joe smith

20 March 2015

JP 10:47
Are you suggesting Albert Labriola is an “ignorant, bigoted redneck?” For the well educated, literary master you claim to be, your memory has some astounding blank spots. Of course Labriola is not alone in this interpretation of In-Just as you MUST know.
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/cummings/injust.htm

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 20 March 2015 at 11:15 AM
jeffy, he said that to assuage your feelings and make you go away so you would stop wasting his time.
Regarding my intellect…. I freely admit that I’m a midwit….which makes it all the sadder that I routinely make you look like a overwrought, hyperventilating, and censorious fool. You have a masters degree from a major private university and yet, in my estimation you “write”…..your chosen profession, worse than just about everybody who posts here.

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“Joe Smith,” No I’m not suggesting that. But I’m telling you that you are. You have twisted the meaning of a beloved spring poem to fit a myopic western Nevada County political agenda. And to think, there is an outcry that the Lamphier case is not political! You have proven otherwise, “Joe Smith.”

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

“fish,” you are a byproduct of the hard-right movement in our county. that’s why you’re perfect for my book.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

“fish,” you are a byproduct of the hard-right movement in our county. that’s why you’re perfect for my book.
Ah…the leftist “Conspiracy Theorist” in full flower.
Buh bye jeffy…..

LikeLike
Gregory

20 March 2015

Let’s remember of all the courses of study available at UC Berkeley, Pelline chose Rhetoric. Perhaps because the job market for empty rhetoricians is generally saturated, he followed that with a masters in Journalism which probably cost a pretty penny at Northwestern (should be Northmidwestern) to give him some gravitas writing about people who know more than he does.
Yes, the local nutcase Right Wing feed off each other. So does the local nutcase Left Wing.
So Jeff, your confidante, Sheriff Royal, he’s in on this political persecution of Lamphier that your Greek Chorus is so upset about? Talk about conspiracy nutcases. If the kiddie porn said to be on his computer was put there by someone else, why didn’t Lamphier come out swinging with an absolute denial of being the one to have downloaded them? No, if I was on the jury I wouldn’t use that as a reason to vote guilty but I think he’d have been better off saying nothing than the lawyered up statement that was crafted for him. “I won’t argue my case in the newspapers, I will defend my good name in court” takes the high road.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Missed this……
jeffpelline says:
March 20, 2015 at 9:02 am
People like “fish” think the First Amendment lets them do whatever they want — unless, of course, they disagree with what YOU’RE saying. They are the ultimate hypocrites.
Don’t know why you make this claim?
I disagree with you on 99.9% of everything you say…yet I have in no way attempted to stop you from saying it.
They did teach you at Major U 1 and Major U 2 that the first amendment doesn’t protect you from having your ideas criticized didn’t they? Maybe you were absent when they taught that/

LikeLike
Jeff Pelline

20 March 2015

Gregory,
You are nutcase in your own league. Congratulations!

LikeLike
Todd Juvinall

20 March 2015

Wow! I go to the doctor and return to this back and forth! What a hoot! I would say reading this thread that Pelline is off his noggin. No one I know would support killing anyone except murderers. So on its face the initiative is ridiculous. But as usual Pelline tries to tie it to the “right” here in the county. Perhaps the voter registration of the initiatives proponents would be helpful? Anyone, anyone?
Regarding “fish”. I find his comments quite funny and erudite. He doesn’t take sh** from anyone and that is just fine. Pelline though is the leader of the lefty gangs here in Western Nevada County and everyone knows it. All the people in the “know” don’t believe a word he says or writes and his world is really really tiny.

LikeLike
fish

20 March 2015

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 20 March 2015 at 12:14 PM
Wow! I go to the doctor and return to this back and forth!
Yeah I woke up cranky and right out of the box jeffy started in with…..I wonder if our local hard-right contingent, who likes to wrap themselves in the First Amendment to defend crackpot ideas, would try to defend this.
Ahhh…what are you going to do……?

LikeLike