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The ISIS fatwa urging all Muslims in the world to ‘kill ‘em wherever you find ‘em’ is finally starting to cause some serious concerns among western leaders.  The news services are reporting frustrating communiques being issued by presidents, prime ministers, intelligence service heads, and national police forces.  The problem comes with the radicalized Muslims returning from the Mideast, and also our indigenous Muslims motivated by the call to kill in response to the new coalition air strikes in both Iraq and now Syria.  And what puts a bow on the whole thing is Islam’s carte blanche to use ‘taqiyya’ in the preparation for their murderous attacks.  Taqiyya has been the scripturally bloody staple in ‘green on blue’ attacks American troops have suffered from their Muslim comrades in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Now our authorities are telling us (correctly) that they have no means of stopping such attacks on civilians in the west by seemingly moderate Muslims – Major Hassan’s rampage at Ft Hood may serve as Exhibit A, along with the street killings of British and French GIs.

It turns out that repetition and exercises are needed to learn mathematical concepts.  The government schools have been telling us for some years that doing ‘rote exercises’ was of little use after a student claimed to have understood the concept underlying a newly introduced mathematical idea.  Engineering professor Barbara Oakley reports in the 23sep14 WSJ on some recent research that again confirmed that it is repeated applications of the concept is what really locks it into your brainbone.  Her point, “Achieving ‘conceptual’ understanding doesn’t mean true mastery. For that, you need practice.”

Those of us who have based our careers on the understanding and practice of some fairly hairy mathematics (I have a minor in math, and my graduate engineering work has been basically all math) have known this since day one – I even had to learn it the hard way in an early math course.  Common Core standards continue with this breezy misunderstanding of how math is learned.  But it will be up to the school districts and classroom teachers to come up with curricula that re-introduce the ‘practice makes perfect’ approach to teaching math.  Don’t hold your breath.

Today the medical marijuana Measure S circus comes to town.  The two sides on this new ‘medical’ marijuana cultivation issue have had a rocky road putting together a debate on the matter under a single roof, and wound up blowing a tire (Bob Crabb’s cartoon filched from the 22sep14 Union again nails it).  The story of who agreed to what and when and then changed their mind(s) is too complex to repeat in these pithy remarks.  But, as reported in this morning’s (23sep14) Union, each side has added a “rally” to celebrate their respective convincing arguments.  The ‘No on S’ faction is headed by Sheriff Keith Royal who will be interviewed at 5pm by Union publisher Jim Hemig at the Rood Center; don’t know about any subsequent Q&A.  Then Mr Hemig will skedaddle across town to the Nevada Theater where at 6pm he will be asking the same questions of the ‘Yes on S’ folks.  But we can expect shouting and happy dancing to follow the sober phase of both presentations at their respective venues.  Perhaps the distance separating these two seriously enthusiastic groups was not such a bad idea after all 😉

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118 responses to “Ruminations – 23sep14”

  1. fish Avatar
    fish

    “Bessee and Keith and Jim, ‘oh my”
    Regardless of your position on the Marijuana matter it’s interesting to me that a certain local gadfly plays the “Wizard of Oz” card more than any straight guy I’ve ever known.
    Something you want to get off your chest jeffy?

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  2. Walt Avatar

    I can’t wait to hear the claims of victory from stoned aged.
    Then there will be the accusations of undercover cops infiltrating the drum circle
    and photographing the paranoid, and squinty eyed attendees.
    Sorry, no sanctuary status there. Maybe that new war buggy can be put to good use.
    Snag those on the county’s most wanted list, and fill it up. Just back it up to the back door. Our new paddy wagon.
    Heck.. It might be worth treading into enemy territory ( Nevada City proper) just to view from a distance. No need to even set foot inside…
    At least one can see just who is is who. Besides. anyone who shows up at the Yes event and is in the NO section will be shouted down before the question is finished. ( seen it before)

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Seems to me that a debate on a county ordinance or proposition should be at a county owned building. Sure, this might inconvenience Mr. Paul and his plans to walk 30 steps to the back of the Nevada Theater. It’s not like driving all those many many miles to go to the Vets Building in GV. Hey, why not have the fireworks in a neutral setting such as Western Gateway Park or the parking lot of the new firehouse in The Republic of Rough and Ready? If it was good enough for the Fruit Jar Pickers, it’s good enough for me and KVMR, old hippies, The Union, straights, gays, carpet munchers, and people of color. (All 6 of them). Even stone cold sober Don could drive down there and the market could stay open to serve coffee and perhaps a few brewskis tucked beneath the waistband. What better place to discuss local independence and self determination than in the Great Republic of Rough and Ready, hmmmmm? It’s not like driving to The Little Township of Washington or beautiful downtown North San Juan where the audience may be one sided.
    On second thought, the Nevada Theater with its long history of entertainment, frivolous comedy, singing and dancing might end up as the perfect venue for this ho down. Perfect for a foot stomping hand clapping barn burning time in the old town. Let the entertainment commence.
    Note: people who had just consumed deviled eggs,or split pea soup or dried purple kelp are asked to stand outside until the breeze passes.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    ” people who had just consumed deviled eggs,or split pea soup or dried purple kelp are asked to stand outside until the breeze passes.”
    You mean those greenhouse gases we keep hearing about? Better open all the windows.

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Took a pit stop over at lefty jeffys liberal lament land. How come nobody told me I got promoted! I went from hard right organizer to hard right political operative. I need to order new business cards. Anyone with a brain would prefer to be hard right over limp left. One positive by-product of the recent measure S spats is that lefty jeffy has shed his purple cloak and is clearly a hard core lefty. No more purple posturing and pointing to having possibly just maybe having voted for a Republican at some ill defined point in the past. Hey Bill T, would love to visit the Republic of R n R, just a little busy right now. Come by the Republican headquarters some time. I am there on Monday, Weds. and Fridays, we can share some commemorative Ronald Reagan jelly beans and have a chat. Note to lefty jeffy, I am already retired so I will continue to have time to be a pain in the collective liberal rear. 🙂 P.S. If you thought they were pisssed off last week, wait till they see the International Faith Based Coalitions (IFBC) new press release!

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    Like I said jeffy I’m perfectly happy to discuss these issues over at your place…….
    BTW, we quickly retired “fish” from here, but he babbles on incessantly, thanks to Rebane’s lack of moderation. “Fish” does not even live in our community. He’s a “flatlander.” LOL. Send in the Clowns:
    Frankie S…..well that’s certainly a step up from your Dorothy fetish.
    NTTAWWT.
    …and as always LOL.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    P.S. If you thought they were pisssed off last week, wait till they see the International Faith Based Coalitions (IFBC) new press release!
    Linky?

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr. Bessee, I broke a moral imperative of mine and ventured over to Lefty’s blog. He said he has retired Mr. Fish….again. I knew Mr. Fish should not have said “Shut up Fatty” when His Assholiness was over here on Dr. Rebane’s blog for hours one day trying to justify and rationalize controlling speech at Western Gateway Park.
    Only a Fat Fracking Lefty would ever in a million years even consider stomping on free speech. Well, I suppose you don’t have to be the Pillsbury Doughboy or the Michelin Tire Guy to tear up the 1st Amendment, just a non purple libby scrot. We don’t get to choose which parts of the 1st Amendment we like….El Gordo liked the free press part until the Union had a moment of clarity and rolled his carcus onto the curb, but Fatius Maxiumus can’t stomach the free association and speech part…er…well, he likes his free speech but not others with a different world view. Just like a libhole he is. Such intolerance. Shut up fatty.
    Alrighty, let’s settle tonight’s venue once and for all. Have all the KKK on the far left and all the No on S folks in the center. Now, that’s a wee bit too close. Will all the Clan liberal illegal dope peddlers please refrain from hate speech and take two steps backwards. There, better. Opps I hear that incinderary hate speech again. Such vitriol. A few more steps backwards on the far left. A few more, yes, and now a few more steps away from the center all intolerant hate mongers on the left. Good. Now, one more step, SPLASH!
    Perfect.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Yeah….bummer William…and here I thought that all jeffy (as stated on numerous occasions) required to post was real name and e-mail address! He now has those….won’t even post my most “vanilla” comments….ah..his loss!
    Will post each and every fawning and obsequious tribute to the “Great Moderator” though.
    Sorry George….I have bad news….apparently you’ve “lost control of your blog again”.
    ….and as always LOL.

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  10. Walt Avatar

    Ms. Smith had her little screed in the Union.. Nice little defense of the busted one.
    Funny how she left out the BIG detail of the illegal double posting of “recommendations”.
    Yet paints the sheriff as being on a political witch hunt.
    Tell the WHOLE story Smith,, not just the parts that you like. And no mention of the resisting arrest. And you want credibility?

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 514pm – Oh well, I guess that’s what happens when your readership is uncontrollable. And then there are those who feel much more comfortable with control and central planning 😉

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes, Dr. Rebane, Stalin was much more comfortable with control and central planning. So was Mao and Hilter and that trio made a big difference to boot. Putin is coming into his own finally and he too is trying to make a difference. Gotta love that feeling of control and central planning. ISIS likes it too. Yes, they are expanding their wings and have left the nest, trying their best to make a difference through control and central planning. Just like the unmentionable little big man.
    Speaking of ISIS ragheads, we need not worry. Our commander in chief is at the top of his game now, complete with the ole game face. We can all relax.
    Allen West:
    If there was ever any question re: how Obama really feels in his heart about our men and women in uniform, this should seal the deal. Watch the “latte salute.” http://allenbwest.com/2014/09/obamas-disrespectful-latte-salute-video/

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Now that the pep rallies have concluded Sheriff Royal and the pro S group have agreed to a studio debate hosted by The Union and KVMR date to be determined. No audience.

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Gee paul, what an uninformed comment, you clearly did not speak to anyone who was actually at the Rood Center. You can get the audio on KNCO soon. We will have audio/video/docs readily available without manipulation. We had Jeff Lake the shark who after the denial of the TRO motion way back when told the profiteers in the court room that he had never won one of those before so do not worry. We were there. We all know how that worked out for the growers. We had martin the dreadlocked owner of the classiest head shop in grass valley that doubles for the Yes on S hq who said he is not a yes on S guy all evidence to the contrary. Also Jedd Biaggi who was the grower who demanded square footage as opposed to plant count so they could manage their crop the way they wanted but don’t want now. So two of the growers advocates who were on the committee that wrote 2349 and me, the sheriff and county council and you think there was no advocacy for positions? The last question of the night was a comment that the gentlemen who was happy that it was not like a usual ASA involved event where there is shouting down and inappropriate conduct and he liked some facts. He must have been at the first ASA meeting with me where we tried to hold a panel and seen all of the ASA BOS videos from back when. The head shop owner was asking why he was bounced from the commission, must be that thc memory issue. He was bounced because at the 2nd BOS meeting he attacked Ted Owens the then Board Chair and us. Gee, given all that and Brad Pecimer-Glasse’s crews crap in Alta Sierra, why could we possibly want appropriate security. However I am not sure we had enough security if the full pot head gang had shown up since the Narcotics team had a small box of fresh weed so there was a commonality of understanding of the smell we do not want to be abused with. The audience demanded it be shut. Before you say we all will do anything you may want to talk to all of us.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar

    In a personal conversation Sheriff Royal agreed to a studio videoed for nctv and broadcast on KVMR. . Union publisher Jim Hemig will select and ask questions.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Jo Ann and I attended the Measure S discussion at the Rood Center last night. For openers DonB’s 1215am description of the event is on the mark. Sheriff Royal set up and hosted an extremely civil, informative, and balanced discussion. County council Barratt-Green opened with a comparative description of 2349 and S, a shorter form of Jo Ann’s spreadsheet that appeared in the Union (she later gave Jo Ann an ‘atta girl’ for her analysis and work product). Then Lt Bill Smethers of our narcotics unit, using tens of photographs, gave a very calm and illuminating presentation of what is actually happening in both the legal and illegal grows in Nevada County, and what our code enforcement people are experiencing out there. This was followed by Measure S advocate Martin Webb who on short notice gave an extremely well-organized, extemporaneous perspective of the entire 2349 ordinance process, his assessment of its impact and shortcomings, and then the benefits of Measure S to replace 2349. After that Don Bessee gave and equally well structured comparative analysis of the two grow ‘ordinances’ and critiques of Measure S. The evening concluded with an extensive Q&A session moderated by the Sheriff. In attendance was legal counsel Jeff Lake giving more reasoned information on Measure S. All speakers had all the time they required, and all audience members with questions (and multiple follow-ups) were recognized and responded to – it was the most efficiently run, civil, and informative of such gatherings that I have attended in Nevada County, especially on a contentious issue such as marijuana and the local form of its national acceptance/legalization.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Did anyone ask him about the ease police can enter and search private property without a search warrant?

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  18. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 September 2014 at 08:49 AM
    Is this something that growers agree to when they register as growers?

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Paul.. Thre is NO presumed ” legal grow”. Remember.. YOUR the one against ANY registration.
    Read up on “probable cause”. A cop see’s a pot plant,,,, Better have ALL the paperwork right.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    There is no registration for growers. Mendocino County tried that and had a good response from growers but the Feds subpoenaed the records from the County and went after the growers. We have something in our constitution that protects us from self incrimination.

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  21. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 September 2014 at 09:08 AM
    Thanks Paul!

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  22. Walt Avatar

    How many times are you going to post the same argument? Forget you have posted it before?
    ( over and over and over) Pot is illegal to grow in CA.
    A pot plant in open view is probable cause. Even from the air. It doesn’t take a lawyer to understand that. Your argument is sorely lacking.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul 9:08AM
    Yes, if you register growers, there is a list some other government agency with a bug up their arse might well use to systematically visit and file charges against the ones that complain.
    Yes, there is an Amendment that bars self incrimination, the reason that ALL gun registration laws in the US exempt convicted felons and selected lesser criminals who are already barred from possessing firearms.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar

    By the way Fish that same principal applies to having an affidavit from your landlord giving permission for a grow on their property. That’s self incrimination for the landlord in the eyes of the feds. Better to have it as a condition of a lease-rental agreement.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    On the ISIS issue,, Mitt Romney has been vindicated, and everything he predicted durring the first election has come true. “O”bummer was wrong at every turn. The anti war gang got their way and now things are worse than ever, and Mr. ” the war is over” is right back at it. Now some idiot is calling for a draft, when “O” and Co. has cut our military wholesale.
    Officers got their walking papers right on the battlefield. Military boot camps have been turned into Mexican refugee holding facilities.
    This is how LIBS protect our home turf.

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  26. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    Walt, pot IS legal to grow in Cali for MMJ use, subject to local ordinances.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    Paul. Remember what happened to me, and MY rental property? And I even stated “NO GROW”.
    They took the profits and ran, and left we with destruction.
    You will never get a property rented if you ask for a ten grand deposit.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 September 2014 at 09:29 AM
    Yet another area in which the federal government should have zero authority.
    OT
    As for Paul’s KVMR “News Hour,” whaddyathink about moving right wing-nut blogger George Rebane into his own show instead of during the “news”?
    Paul perhaps in the interest of balance you could give Spanky his own 5 minute segment where he can rant on the air over matters over which he has no control.
    Because fairness.
    Posted by: Walt | 24 September 2014 at 09:34 AM
    Walt we removed what passes for stability in the middle east when we removed Saddam.

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar

    that’s unfortunate Walt. Use better judgement next time when renting your property. Did you check references?

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar

    Actually Fish I did offer Pelline a twice monthly spot for a commentary and initially he accepted but later was a no show when I tried to schedule him a slot. Actually anyone can rebut a KMMR commentary. We offer equal time.

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Fabulous news George………… you may very soon be getting more air time! A very influential local resident wants to be your patron!
    The issue all along has been to let George have his own show, just like everybody else, but not on the “news hour.”
    I’d trade 5 minutes during the news for a three hour block!
    Don’t you guys see now just how important networking is in “our community”!

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Then register with the cops Brad, and play by the rules. IF the cops don’t know your a(supposed) legal grow don’t be surprised when there is a knock on the door.
    And the “busted one” wasn’t even close to “playing by the rules”. Posting the same “script” in multiple locals is a BIG no no. But the Ms. Smith piece in the paper tries to paint him as a political prisoner.
    Obviously Paul has memory loss.( my sympathies) He has forgotten SO soon the damage so great I had to sell the place, so I have nothing to rent anymore.. And this was from “one of your own”. Yet you push the screw over other landlords with the provisions in “S”.
    I say, grow on property YOU own. NOT someone else’s.

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  33. George Boardman Avatar

    You have to wonder about the stability of “Quote Marks” Pelline when he apparently nothing better to do at 4 a.m. than surf the internet for posts by Paul Emery and Don Bessee.

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    No competition for the fridge face time. LOL!

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  35. Walt Avatar

    @ George B. that’s how he got the ” Cartman” nickname. That VARY reason.. Ask RL about that. That toon of his has been cast in gold.

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  36. Martin Webb Avatar
    Martin Webb

    To be more accurate, George Rebane’s version of last night’s “No on S” rally at the Rood Center (as it was billed by Keith Royal in The Union) is more on the mark than Don Bessee’s…by a long shot.
    Unfortunately the event was actually not set up to be balanced at all, as Jeff Lake and myself sent word last week that we would be happy to debate at the Rood Center as the side supporting Measure S, but for some reason, once Don and Royal had their bluff called, they decided they wouldn’t debate at all actually, after claiming the only room they were able to debate in was at the Rood Center. Turns out when push comes to shove they can’t even debate in front of the public there. So by Tuesday AM, it’s not set up as a balanced event at all, it’s plugged as a one-sided No on S rally in the media, led by a county official in a county facility supporting one side of a ballot measure – a no-no.
    The only reason there was any semblance of an attempt at partial balance (if you can call ‘3 anti-S speakers given an hour to talk plus days/weeks to prepare’ vs my ‘1 pro-S person at 20 mins to talk and 5 mins to prepare’ balance…who can call that balance?) is because 5 mins before the start, Royal walks up to me in the lobby and asks if I’d like to speak on behalf of S. How convenient! Invite someone from the other side to speak only 5 mins before the event. If Yes on S had done the same, hosting an event where they set up 3 speakers for pro-S, given a combined hour to talk, then merely 5 mins before the event starts they finally ask a No on S person in the lobby to talk unprepared for 20 mins, would you guys call that a perfectly balanced event? I’m guessing not. (No on S people were indeed invited way ahead of time to speak at the Yes on S event but refused.)
    At any rate, anyone that thinks Don gives accurate versions of events will be in for a surprise. This is the guy who has recently been sending me harassing threatening emails, pretending to be speaking for the Coalition for a Drug Free Nevada County when he isn’t. I’m on the Coalition, I know how they work. I’ve had to ask him to stop harassing me and contacting me directly and the Coalition has verified he is speaking out of line. He has led Jo Anne Rebane to believe the Coalition opposes S when it does not, as it is neutral and has taken no position on either the sheriff’s ordinance or S. The Coalition said they would speak to Don to reprimand him and keep him clear on the facts. I’d question everything he says when it comes to MJ.
    For example, no, Jed Biagi was not on the speakers panel (he asked one question from the audience, that’s not the same as being on a balanced panel), only I was a speaker…one vs three. And I am the one who requested square footage in the Working Group, not Jed. I even mentioned that last night, that I was the one who introduced sq footage requirement to NevCo MMJ policy, in my initial mtgs with DA Newell when he entered office and sought my opinion. I still believe sq ft is better than plant count but it is a minor point when all people are allowed to legally grow is what they demonstrably need, regardless of sq ft or plant count. DA Newell uses both in his county guidelines. Both are clear units and easy to measure.
    And no Don, Jed and I did not write the ordinance. The authors of the meat of the text are unknown, as it was a direct copy of the Tehama County ordinance for a community 100 miles away, which oddly contains the same exact text being shopped around the state county-by-county by local sheriffs, written as a template non-locally but pushed at the local level as if it was written by local BOS’s. We do not know who wrote that, but we do know that the sheriff and County Counsel said they added their own amendments to the out of town ordinance before seeking any input from any local working group. When members of the working group tried to propose our own text amendments and wording changes, we were told by the sheriff (not the BOS, who abdicated their legislative responsibility to the law enforcement arm of govt, in contrast with our constitutional separation of powers) that we were not invited there to actually craft or write the ordinance, we were only there to give him suggestions and feedback and he’d personally consider it and decide what should be in the ordinance. So the ordinance was written by the sheriff, the county counsel and whoever wrote the meat of Tehama’s code. So it’s Tehama meat, with the sheriff’s potatoes added in, and the working group was allowed to put the parsley sprig on the side, to appear as though we had a hand in writing it. Note: The BOS had NOTHING to do with actually writing the text of the current ordinance, in contrast to Jo Anne’s claim that the BOSs wrote it. Go ahead, call them each up and ask which parts of the text were theirs that they wrote. You’ll be met with silence. Law enforcement wrote the law that they also enforce. So sad to see in a red county that purports to support constitutional sheriffs.
    No, my store is not the classiest head shop in town. Tess Kitchen store (with its recreational drug paraphernalia section) or Foothill Mercantile (with its drug paraphernalia section) or any one of the drug tasting rooms in downtown NC/GV (wine is a recreational drug) are far classier head shops, as a head shop is generally defined as simply a place where drug paraphernalia is sold. If a head shop is someplace that has a section for drug paraphernalia, then they clearly qualify. Don has never set foot in my store so has no idea what it looks like or what I sell. I don’t sell pipes, papers, bongs, etc. I sell clothes, books, shampoos, lotions, kitchenware, art, storage jars (that can store anything, not just cannabis), hand cleaners, hemp textiles hand made in Nepal, etc. My most popular items have been THC-free hemp lotions and hemp salves, sold mostly to the elderly, retired folks, and combat veterans. I sell a diverse array of items as a hemp boutique, not a head shop. Nice try, Don. And if hairstyles are all that can be used against me, then that’s just pathetic. Shall we criticize political views here based on hair and appearance? Is that really a mature discussion fit for the complicated world that is 2014? I’m not going to address how Don physically looks as means of denigration, as I’m out of high school by several decades.
    No I do not work for Yes on S. I do not buy 100% into their campaign themes and organization, so have provided personal distance between the campaign and myself in order to speak my mind freely. I give them my opinion and it is often ignored. But I still think people should vote yes on S. I donated a back room to the campaign HQ for a few months as a strategic business move to spur more walk in traffic and also a way to support the passage of S. That doesn’t mean I speak for them or represent them. Those of you that have mature and balanced critical thinking skills will be able to understand the nuanced differences in my support for S while not being part of the official campaign. I don’t expect Don to.
    And the last question of the night was by a gentleman who complimented the event for not turning into a shouting match, which has nothing to do with ASA and has more to do with public mtgs in the BOS chamber when public official shave been rude and dismissive, such as when Keith Royal lost his professional composure and rudely interrupted me during my public comment last May, attacking me personally with insults in public and creating total disorder during a BOS mtg, requiring the BOS chair to gavel him down. I think the gentleman was glad he didn’t see that happen again: a completely out of control ranting public official cutting off a citizen, as well as vice versa. For Don, it seems like the NCSO are angels, and ASA are devils. I see it instead as people trying to find common ground for the betterment of the community. Not so black and white. ASA people can be crazy and county people can be crazy. It’s not one or the other and the gentleman was pleased neither side turned into animals.
    No, I was not disinvited to the 3rd and last mtg of the Working Group because of something I said to Ted Owens. I never said anything to Ted Owens at all. I complained to the entire BOS in public comment that the Working Group had only met twice for 2 hrs each over a 6-month+ span and that that was hardly enough time to come to consensus and discuss the issues. I said the sheriff was acting more like a salesman in his slick pitch for the ordinance, and that the panel was not functional due to the nature of the participants and the limited input. I therefore asked the BOS to not vote yes and to order another mtg. They totally agreed with my request, did not vote in the ordinance at that time, and ordered the sheriff to have another mtg. Mysteriously, after that I was the only one out of all 12+ people not invited. No reason was ever provided and no reason has ever been given, because there was no good reason. Clearly it’s political retribution for publicly criticizing the sheriff, and as we all know, you are not allowed to criticize the sheriff in a mtg. He only wanted people around him that say what he wanted to hear, not someone who pushed the group to do better.
    And no Don, the ‘audience’ didn’t ‘demand’ the small bin of pot at the back of the room be shut. At the very end of the event, Ed Scofield (who was sitting at the back near it) joked that he could smell it and could they put a lid on it. So one guy jokes about putting a lid on a tupperware bin and to Don that means the entire audience was demanding it be shut. Small things turn into major events in the magical mind of Don Bessee, who should be noted gave a rambling 10-15 min speech that went on about Colorado and recreational legality, which has nothing to do with Nevada County’s ordinance vs S…this is an event about local medicinal regulation, that’s statewide recreational regulation. He started off saying we should avoid CO’s model but then quickly contradicted himself and said maybe we should use their model after pointing out some things he liked about their rules, which again, had nothing to do with the measure at hand. “Hey let’s not talk about here! Let’s talk about a place several states away!” Red herring. I was not impressed, but then, you can prob tell Don and I are not friends.
    George Rebane came up to me afterwards and thanked me for being a good speaker and hoped that if S didn’t pass that I would work with the BOS to improve the current ordinance, since he appreciated my comments and my approach to the situation. I was pleasantly surprised by the geniality and nice comments expressed by several anti-S citizens and I hope I was able to build some bridges between the attendees and people like myself. Thank you to Keith Royal for manning up (ahem…at the very last minute) and inviting me to speak as an unprepared guest. I believe both ordinances are flawed but I believe the sheriff’s ordinance is the worse one of the two and will be voting Yes on S. Thanks for listening. Now bash the crap out of me because it seems like many people commenting on this site appear to be here mainly for sport rather than educational discussion. I am inclined to say I liked chatting with George and wish more people would reach out to broaden their understanding of critical issues, like he did. Thanks George. I appreciate your vote of confidence.

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    Am intrigued that our local lefties are still in a hissy fit about my KVMR commentaries. Their exposure to what’s going on in the world continues to be (charitably) ‘limited’. News programs across the land feature commentaries as part of their content, KVMR did not pioneer this concept.
    And as PaulE says in his 952am, KVMR believes, that in the context of their entire programming content, my commentary is so prominently unbalanced that they feel the need to offer anyone an opportunity to rebut my views. However, they do not even consider that the remainder of the station’s social commentary, from Amy Goodman on down, reflects a distinct, nay glaring, progressive perspective. There is no invitation for anyone to counter, say, Amy Goodman. Nevertheless, I am grateful for their tolerance of this grizzled conservatarian.
    And the criticism that I don’t provide enough back-up for my views. That is specious because 1) it’s a commentary and I don’t have to provide back-up, and 2) I do provide back-up by citing the names of people and institutions that relate/substantiate on what I comment. Furthermore, I post links on the RR transcript and often expand on the topic with more references and links. And my commentaries always end with the invitation to the listener to read the transcript. Such criticisms, ignorant of the topics covered and commentaries in general, really piss me off when they talk out of their ass.
    BTW, I would be in favor of an issues discussion program whereon Paul and I would share views about the day’s issues, and perhaps have a guest on now and then. We have discussed it.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Mr. Webb. Was the screwing over of landlords mentioned? ( which “S” if passed, does.)

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 September 2014 at 09:52 AM
    HE DECLINED…..!? I figured he’d be sleeping on the radio station porch for an opportunity to beat his gums about his general displeasure about…..things. Especially after this self awareness challenged rant in his sandbox…..
    This egomaniacal/narcissistic behavior in our local media is becoming ridiculous. This debate should be broadcast on KNCO as well, and KNCO, Yubanet and others should help select the questions. Thank god for the League of Women Voters in our community:
    Yes jeffy…thank god indeed!

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  40. fish Avatar
    fish

    Am intrigued that our local lefties are still in a hissy fit about my KVMR commentaries. Their exposure to what’s going on in the world continues to be (charitably) ‘limited’. News programs across the land feature commentaries as part of their content, KVMR did not pioneer this concept.
    Merely a variation on a theme and not significantly different than the argument made by said hissy fit thrower over political talks/events held in Western Gateway Park. The desire for censorship via scheduling conflict, vague complaint and ponderous regulation…..
    Of course I think that you have the right to express your political views in a public venue…..fill out this 8 foot stack of permits. I’m sure we can arrange for a slot for your organization to hold their event in about 11 years. See I would never censor you. LOL

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  41. JeffPelline Avatar
    JeffPelline

    “Fish,” you don’t even live in the community. You’re a “flatlander.” LOL.

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  42. fish Avatar
    fish

    Nope I certainly don’t…..but you don’t live in mine either and yet I’m forced to look at your sourpuss in my local newspaper (SACBEE) about three days out of five.
    I figure since you are bound and determined to make yourself a public figure the least I can do is offer constructive criticism.
    ….and as always LOL.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    It was not an invitation for rebuttal but rather an unsuccessful attempt to replace long time commentator Mark Staneart who had a spot for years on KVMR called Local Views of the News. The difference is that you actually show up and do your commentary something that Jeff P never did. Anyone can produce a rebuttal to a specific commentary on KVMR News however, an offer that is exercised only occasionally.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Where did Mark Stanaert go? He and I debated numerous times. Always respectfully back in the day.

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  45. Walt Avatar

    Love it. “Cartman” carpetbags” to the valley,to sell his snake oil, yet bitchs when a “tourist” comes up to “see the sights”.

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  46. RL Crabb Avatar

    A great spewing gasbag who accomplishes little more than leaving a foul smell in his wake.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    On a lighter note, look what the “rednecks” have for an armored vehicle.
    A skid-steer Bobcat, with an armored outhouse attached to the thing!
    Love it!!
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/24/65-ton-armored-vehicle-to-roll-through-pa-woods-in-hunt-for-suspected-cop/

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  48. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd
    Mark had to quit because of health reasons. He was brilliant and is greatly missed.

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Paul,
    Apparently I was mistaken …..jeffy doesn’t have a problem with station content.
    You and the KVMR management need to work this out. It’s not about me. It’s about YOU.
    Well that’s a relief I’m sure! I imagine you guys can just soldier on “as is” then.
    Is their an online feed that I can catch? As Mr. Pelline is so fond of pointing out, I don’t live in your fair burgh so I can’t hear your offerings over the air.
    I’m interested if George is quite as “rabid” as he is made out to be!

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  50. Brad C. Avatar
    Brad C.

    I have “taped” shows using an app. You would need to know what time the show airs. I think some shows are saved/stored at KVMR but it is at the discretion on the show host.
    Pretty sure that George posts transcripts of all his shows here also.

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