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George Rebane

We anxiously await President Obama’s foreign policy speech tomorrow in which he will again make “perfectly clear” a strategy with which no one, and I do mean NO ONE, in the world has seen as anything but meak, muddled, or missing.  RR is on record as one of the earliest to recognize that this president is a naïf on foreign affairs (including geography), and demonstrably not suited for his high position – most recently expanded on 10aug14 in the ‘The Foreign Policy of a Community Organizer’ and the 7sep14 ‘Shamed into Strategy?’.

The main problem with Barack Obama has turned out that he has no backbone nor much sitting on top of it for understanding America’s required and, yes, self-sacrificing role in the maintenance of a liberal world order.  He arrived at our helm at the terminus of a lavishly ladled and lapped up line of bullshit that defined the sum of his ‘achievements’, and then thought he could also make those assets work in prime time on the international stage.  It turned out that the only ones he would bamboozle in that effort was the Nobel committee – but that’s another story.


Today we see Samantha Powers at the UN finally admitting that Syria did not declare all of its chemical WMDs that Team Obama so proudly hailed as justifying why the president’s vaunted ‘red line’ was quickly erased after Assad stepped over it and gassed some more of his people.  Well, who in hell believed that Assad would put everything on the table for someone like our clueless leader?  But recall that Obama’s lackeys kept trumpeting the success of that revanchist policy while quoting that 95+% of Assad’s chemical weapons had been destroyed under the UN’s supervision.

Most certainly the leaders of Russia, Iran, Iraq, al Qaeda, North Korea, China, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Gulf Emirates, … again saw that as another confirming measure of the man, and went on with their plans to give us today’s world.

Bret Stephens in the 9sep14 WSJ pointedly asks ‘What Does Vladimir Putin Want?’.  He points out the answer that has been obvious to most not in Obama’s wake – Putin wants, nay, needs to occupy Russia in its historical business of contending and expanding its borders to divert attention from the perennial failure of its autocratic governments to promote an economy that gives Russians a satisficing quality of life.  Putin, with some justification, does see himself as a Bonaparte who, from an economically failing France, conquered a continent with other people’s money.

And Putin realizes that he must make hay while the sun shines.  He must pursue and bank his ‘near abroad’ gains (e.g. Crimea, et al) before backbone and brains again inhabit the White House.  That is the prime reason why NATO’s members have agreed to set up a brigade sized ‘rapid response force’ that is supposed to rush to defend the borders of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland, lands where Putin has already set his sights for once more ‘defending the interests of Russian speakers’.  Recall that Stalin already conquered these countries in WW2 and actually removed the eastern part of Poland (Stalin’s putative ally) that became a permanent part of the USSR, and is now part of Belarus and Ukraine.

All this is going on in Europe while the Islamic State has evolved from al Qaeda as the first embodiment of Islam’s caliphate that promises to send thousands of its European and American passported fighters to wreak havoc in the west, and ultimately fly its flag from atop the White House.  And America continues leading the world in the belief that this is a kind of limited fight against some brand of vanilla terrorism with no provenance.  RR has joined (preceded?) other commentators in correctly identifying the ongoing strife in the Balkans, Caucuses, Middle East, the Levant, Africa, Indonesian peninsula, and soon India and Indonesia as a global war between Islam and the west (along with major nations of the east such as China, Japan, Philippines, …).

I have already argued (‘Silence of the Lambs’) that the mindset and sentiments of the so-called moderate Islam are sitting on the fence to see which way the final winds will blow.  In the meantime they are giving every evidence that their established populations in Europe, and soon in America, are really non-assimilating colonists.  The successful sprouting of such enclaves has provided fertile soil for radicalizing indigenous Muslims, and will redouble that enterprise as the west continues the current feckless defense of its culture and way of life.

Finally, is hard to see today how a viable strategic response can be fashioned to oppose radicalized Islam, as it seeks to become the worldwide norm, if we do not correctly identify the fundamental nature of what is going on in the world today.  I believe that such an ‘identification’ can only come from the west’s leadership, which sadly today has President Obama as its dysfunctional yet titular head.  Perhaps, he will surprise us tomorrow.

To conclude this diatribe, I keep looking at the sources from which Obama takes strength to maintain his malformed worldview.  And lo, this morning’s 9sep14 Union presents us with an Exhibit A in the form of a commentary from a vociferous and well-spoken Obama constituent Ms Cheryl Cooke, also a member of the paper’s editorial board.  In the appropriately titled piece ‘To Insure Domestic Tranquility’ vs the Second Amendment, the lady takes us through another tortured version of America’s formation and jaundiced history that is now familiar to every student of our public schools’ progressive curricula.  She again lays the basis for turning inward for our self-flagellation, and concludes that “the real and present danger has proven to be the threat from within: the Second Amendment right of any individual to bear arms opposed to the good of larger community… the sake of something greater.”

So there you have it.  Our progressive population continues the mantra of fundamentally transforming ourselves into an introspective and compliant population that cedes, without recourse, to an ever-growing government which takes more as it convinces us to demand less out of life (even to the point of how many slices of salami are allowed on school lunch sandwiches).  One can’t help but see how Barack Hussein Obama and his ilk take great comfort from such sentiments spread like peanut butter and jelly for millions of low-information voters at the country’s grass roots.  Contending data aside, these politicians see the Ms Cookes as true voices of the people, and continue to work diligently in their behalf (as soon as they have taken their own half).

[10sep14 update]  Well, we all heard it and sure enough, shamed through devastating polls, our president attempted to gin up a little backbone – but the brainbone still seems a little thin.  Obama’s approval numbers today came in over the lowest range in his term of office – only 27 to 37% approve of his performance in office, and significantly over 50% flat disapprove of his performance.  When the topic is focused on foreign policy, his disapproval ratings are about 75%.  His speech tonight will not help him change those numbers too much.

Viewing the videos of Bush2’s July 2007 speech launching the surge in Iraq, and of candidate Romney’s admonishments of what the future of the world will be if Obama continues to fecklessly lead America in its retreat, one see that this man has less talent in the White House than his constituents had in the voting booths.  He has no realistic or enduring vision of what America should do on the world stage, but is simply the sock puppet of his know-nothing inner circle (led by Valerie Jarret), and echoed by the braintrust of the likes of Biden, Kerry, and Hagel – talk about the Three Stooges.

So Obama will now 1) promote ISIS to full varsity status and bomb their butts in both Syria and Iraq, 2) reverse himself from a month ago, and now arm with sophisticated weapons and training the secular Syrian opposition that he denigrated as composed of “doctors, pharmacists, and farmers” – they too have achieved varsity status, and 3) establish a “broad coalition” of allies to get their boots dusty while guaranteeing that none of them will be worn by our GIs.

The lying Left still maintains that Bush2 went unilaterally into Iraq, but now Americans are being reminded of the embarrassing fact that Bush2 had 37 nations – a really broad coalition of the willing – committed troops into combat in 2003, while after all the territorial gains, slaughter, and beheadings by ISIS, Obama has managed to get only 9 nations that may lean forward in their foxholes when the time comes to engage the ragheads.  And all the while the vaunted “moderate Islam” remains mum.  One of the bigger whoppers of the speech was that ISIS was not Islamic because no religion promotes the slaughter of the innocent – well, that sounded good to the unread, but the Quran begs to differ.

Obama is toxic to his Democratic candidates, and he showed that by his tightrope walk tonight.  He “invited” Congress to back him with this restart of the Mideast war, but he really needs the congressional Republicans to whom he didn’t even throw a bone.  He will need to put American troops on the ground at least with the insertion of special forces teams.  Everyone, save he, knows that you don’t conquer territory from the air.  We have no idea how, under their new government, the Iraqi Sunnis, Shia militias, and Kurdish Peshmerga will join with the Iraqi army who have so far only demonstrated how fast they can strip their uniforms and run.

In the final analysis, there is no doubt that more allies will quietly join us in yet to be determined roles.  But no one trusts this president.  No one knows if and when he will desert the field again when the volatile public opinion polls indicate the wind now blows from a different direction.  What a leader!

[12sep14 update]  Well, things are beginning to move toward a more robust implementation of President Obama's vow to "destroy" ISIS.  Stratfor reports that three additional carrier task groups – CVN-68 Nimitz, CVN-70 Carl Vinson, CVN-73 George Washington – have left ports and are headed across the Pacific.  The Vinson is specifically ordered to the Middleast to augment CVN-77 GHW Bush that is on station and has already been carrying out airstrikes against ISIS.  The other two task groups will be in the proximity for quick reinforcement/replacement as the air campaign is slated to heat up.

Now if we could only get more allies to commit instead of telling us what they will NOT do.  France's Hollande has promised French air, but will not put their force under a coordinated command.  That is another problem with having a president being seen as a flake with a promise not to put any American combat boots on the ground – 'OK, let's you and he fight.' 

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79 responses to “While Waiting for a Backbone (updated 12sep14)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Are you referring to the type of “backbone” that led us to invade pathetic little countries like Grenada or Iraq ? Or lie driven invasions such as Viet Nam Give me an example of “backbone” applied.

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  2. Michael R. Kesti Avatar
    Michael R. Kesti

    “…lavishly ladled and lapped up line of bullshit…”
    Brilliant! I’ll be using that line again and again.

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  3. Walt Avatar

    Really Paul? Granada??? I guess going into rescue U.S. collage kids was not on your “to do” list. As for other “interventions”, I can see your quite the humanitarian. Unchecked genocide of innocents by thugs and goons is far better than the few civilians we have gone out of our way to avoid in those conflicts.
    Viet Nam was a Democrat’s war, and fought with Democrat logic, and rules of engagement. No wonder we lost. Recall “Robert McNamara’s wiz kids”? Fighting a war with “accountants” counting bullets. That sure made plenty of sense. Taking ground, just to give it back.
    Informing the North of where we would attack next. MORE “forward thinking”.
    And a Repub. got us out of there. ( Nixon)
    Backbone is going in, breaking every enemy toy, shoot anyone with a gun in their hand.
    They don’t play by the old rules of warfare. All that “talking to our enemies” really worked out well.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1241pm – At this stage of disclosure I am afraid there is nothing I can add to the type of backbone referenced here. I have described America’s necessity to exert its forceful leadership in too many past posts, some of which are cited here. Too bad that you have missed (misunderstood?) them all.

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  5. Walt Avatar

    A personal note on Granada. My squadron was ordered, and in the air to do “our thing”.
    After the initial strikes, our “services” weren’t needed, and our aircraft was sent home.
    Yes, we were happy about that, but at the same time felt like we got screwed. All our training, and commitment wasn’t used. We didn’t join the ranks for the benefits and cut rate schooling, plenty of others signed on the dotted line for. ” What? gunfire??? That’s not what I signed up for!!”

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Please join me in applauding Cheryl Cooke for her affirmation that the Second Amendment conveys an individual right that a majority cannot vote away. This is progress.

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  7. Walt Avatar

    George.. Did Hanson Bros. raise the price of sand? Or did the county demand a grading permit? Us feral cats need a place to “go”…

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 253pm – Never saw that positive ray of light in her commentary; well said.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 257pm – Again with belated apologies, a fresh sandbox is now open for business and exposed to your tender mercies.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/09/sandbox-9sep14.html

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  10. Walt Avatar

    The fault is all mine good Doc. I had an itchy trigger finger, and pulled the trigger before you had the powder charge fully in place, and the breach block closed….. ( my bad)

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    All I was asking for was an example of what you describe as “backbone”. Pretty simple. Was it the war in Iraq? Afghanistan? Desert Storm ? Do we need to go back to Korea? Oh yeah, we’re still there. How about Panama where we take out CIA collaborator Manuel Noriega (operation “Just Cause” for drug dealing at the same time the CIA was selling crack cocaine on the streets of this country to finance our illegal war in Nicaragua. How about our covert overthrow of the sovereign Democratic nation of that ushered in a 17-year dictatorship under Pinochet. Are any of these examples of “backbone” as you put it. Oh yeah the Mission Complete moment. Whoops, we’re going back. In your view we need to keep military forces strategically in every country we invade to keep them from going bad (VietNam Iraq) and you know from your view I understand your position.
    I much prefer Ron Pauls view of keeping our military home to defend our borders.
    He writes about Obama “Even adjusted for inflation, military spending is 17% higher now than when Obama took office. Even the worst case scenarios of Obama’s “cuts,” adjusted for inflation, still put outlays at 2007 levels, which are 40% higher than a decade ago. Our total spending on overseas adventurism and nation building equals more than the next 13 highest spending countries in the world combined. Even if we were to slash our military budget in half, we would still be the world’s dominant military power, by far.”
    Walt
    You really believe Grenada was about rescuing college kids? It was old school Cold War stuff. Operation “Urgent Fury” it was called.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    CIA selling crack? That is an urban myth and I am shocked a “journalist” would say such claptrap.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 840pm – Yes Paul, I’m afraid we’ll have to keep doing all that stuff as long as there are countries and people out there who don’t want the kind of world we have helped build since WW2 and then redoubled the benefices after we defeated the spread of international communism. Unfortunately, every time we stop a runaway tyranny, out peaceful nature prompted us to too quickly beat our swords into plowshare, and today we beat them into food stamps.
    To provide you and the Cheryl Cookes the right and opportunity to criticize and counter America’s global role does require that we continue to act as a prudent balance to forces that have demonstrated their desire to rule the world.
    And it may come as news, but our military effectiveness is not a linear function of dollars spent, but a very non-linear beast that has various levels of ‘critical thresholds’ of capability which come into being suddenly, and not proportionately for every dollar spent as the layman thinks. Yes, to keep from fighting civilization destroying world wars, we have to continue fighting the small ones. The peace you seek comes only after the tyrant has become comfortable standing on your neck.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    All that you say sounds good unless you’re an innocent person jailed of killed by one of our puppets -Shah of Iran, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein when he was our guy-I can go on and on. I’m not sure I accept the morality of assuming the responsibility of enabling that situation to occur. Who are we to condemn millions of people to the horror of living under one of these U.S. made monsters we install and maintain for our own convenience and profit.

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  15. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Grenada was about kicking Castro back to Cuba, a small island nation located somewhere in Miami. This is our hemisphere, not his.
    Ok, it’s all about the growing menace of extremists radical Islam. I have been following this for at least 20-25 years now in Central Africa. Over 200,000 Christians have been slaughtered there by “the Arabs” moving south from the Mediterranean. Dr. Rebane has already mentioned Malaysia, Indonesia (4th most populace nation on the planet), North Africa, and parts wide and far, so I keep this to what I know in Central darkest Africa.
    For the last 20 years the Islamic extremists have wholesale slaughtered 100s of thousands of Christians on purpose and have taken 10s of thousands more women and children as slaves with the full blessings of the Koran and the teachings of The wife cheating lying Prophet.
    Amnesty International, the UN humans rights commission, all western civilization governments have remained silent. Amnesty International went as far to refuse to utter a single word on the topic. Flat refused. Yet Boko Harem kidnaps a couple of hundred school girls and the media is shocked. Shit, this has been doing on for decades now on a weekly basis and is quite old news in my book. The kidnaping of Christian school girls is the least of what Boko did during the last month alone. Those in Central Africa have been moving south and abandoning their homes as ruthless radical extreme jihadists march on, taking more land, slaves,and killing the rest. They do not come in peace, nor have your best interests at heart even on the radar.
    I challenge Mr. Paul or any reader to name one Christian nation that is a threat to Western Civ or the world. I can’t think one single Christian nation, even the ones in name only. Even Red China is dealing with this threat ruthlessly within her own borders and the former Soviet Union states near the Southern border with Asia is now 90 % Islam and Moscow is smelling the rat and threat.
    There is no dialogue, no meetings of the minds.
    Convert to sexism the Muslim way or die. If you surrender and not convert to the peaceful teaching of the wife cheating lying Prophet charlatan, deathyou. Not in words, but in reality.
    Paul, could you play me that old Carly Simon song “you can’t talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand.”

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bill
    Thanks for agreeing with me on the reason for our unconstitutional invasion of Grenada.
    Do you really think we can pound radical Islam into submission? How would you recommend we do that?

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  17. Walt Avatar

    Here we go again with that “Unconstitutional” bull shit. U.S. citizens were in harms way and Regan wasn’t going to have none of it. Fire up another dooby Paul. ( or that horse piss you drink)
    If it wasn’t for the Lilly livered Left, who cried like little school girls, and demanded we stop when we devastated Husain’s pillaging goons as they fled Kuwait, on what’s now know as the highway of death,, we should have gone all the way to Bagdad and finished the job we wouldn’t have this problem today.
    No WMDs you say? Well tell that to the Kurds who got gassed by Sadam. And that was AFTER the cease fire.
    LIBS couldn’t and haven’t won a war to save their sorry butts.
    And YES.. We can pound them into submission. Only if our military is allowed too.
    Read up on the rules of engagement that our troops must follow. Even the ones back then.
    History isn’t on your side.
    The ONLY reason we have been losing conflicts is because LIBS made it so.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    One more thing Paul, My Son was part of the crew that hauled Noriega’s criminal butt back to the states. Score another point for my family’s contribution to our national securely.

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul, no way can we pound them into submission. Kingdoms such as the Saudis can do their best to round them up and throw away the key as Egypt is trying, but it will not stem the tide. This Isis thing will get uglier and uglier and never get better. ISIS or whatever cover name the Muslim Brotherhood hides behind, it’s all the same and it cannot or will not say “Uncle”, ever.
    Biggest laugh I have had in years was when Uncle Joe Bidden stood with Obama was repeated that Al Quada is on the run. Sure, the radical Islamic extremist Western Civilization hating jihadists might make some temporary tactical retreats for political expediency or regroup, but even our own commanders and Pentagon Brass have uttered aloud in marvel how they are able to quickly change tactics, alter the game plan, and adapt just as quickly to counter/thwart our tactics and strategies. In short, they are a formidable enemy and we are u on their turf.
    Considering the magnitude and will of the enemy, it is not a far stretch of the imagination to go from where we are today to Armageddon.
    Now, what were you saying about the seriousness of invading Haiti, or was it Puerto Rico? Or was it Tahiti? I get all them vacation spots confused. Oh yeah, Ford Granada. Seen one, you seen them all.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gosh Walt I thought it was Bush the first that pullled the plug on Desert Storm. You learn something new every day on this blog

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Paul. He made the mistake of catering to LIBS. Forget that it was the LIB media that went along for the ride? A “made for TV war”. When the pictures and video of war in all it’s ugliness hit the screen, who was the first ( demographic) to yell stop!,, before the job was done?
    Now we a nutless President who won’t do anything of real value. Talk is cheap and worthless.
    How many terrorist attacks have happened under “O”‘s watch? Now think back to how many there were when Bush was in office. Let me know if your memory has faded on those facts.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 950pm – IMHO, the error in your thinking is that the only alternatives for, say, NationX were the US installing an immoral (by our lights) tyrant who ravaged his people, to a state where the people came together to form a beneficial government acceptable to all that gave rise to happy dancing in the streets. The reality is quite different. NationX never had a culture of liberal governance, and at our intervention the people were already oppressed and/or fighting among themselves.
    At that point the facile and practical choice was to back an autocrat who would serve US national interests, or one who would serve interests inimical to the US – ‘nation building’ was never then, nor is it now an option with such cultures. And, of course, we wisely chose the autocrat we could control. There is no evidence that any such choices caused more suffering in population of such a NationX. As examples, Iraq and Iran are direct evidence of that.
    Nevertheless, the tried and true progressive argument you give of American imperialism as the seed cause of world suffering is effective if the audience is historically unread, and lacks the tools for critical thought, which, sadly, is most often the case.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Can we agree that by our selection, funding and maintenance of xyz dictators for xyz countries they essentially become our agents because of what we expect in return for our investment in treasure and some cases blood?
    a·gent/ˈājənt/
    noun
    a person who acts on behalf of another, in particular.
    a person or thing that takes an active role or produces a specified effect.

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  24. Walt Avatar

    We sue are not getting our moneys worth from billions in aid we are welfare(ing) out around
    to the third world nations. That sure needs to end.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 129pm – In this case I think that the second definition is operative. But the individual whom we promote as the new leader (autocrat?) of NationX almost always acts in capacities other than fulfilling our agency (i.e. producing a specified effect that serves our interests). In such acts he is not acting as our agent, the same as, say, in sports or entertainment an agent may have several clients.
    I believe the point you’re aiming at is that once we put someone in power, then everything he does or fails to do subsequently becomes our responsibility. That I do not accept. Equivalently, I don’t accept such responsibility when we fail to prevent a tyrant from assuming power, assuming we could have done so.
    To bear the world’s burdens our shoulders are only so wide, and when all is said and done, we Americans should come first in the concerns of our government. (At least that is the way it used to be.)

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  26. Walt Avatar

    The Left has a real problem on their hands. “O” (to save his own political hide) may be out to commit boots on the ground to tumble with ISIS. ( led by Sadam’s former generals)
    Will we hear more of the “illegal” war cry from his minions? Or will they give him a pat on the back and give their undying blessing? ( Whatever he says is good with them.)
    He claims to have the authority to side step Congressional approval. ( just like Bush did according to LIBS) Well,, he just might. The only diff. is that HE is the one that piped up, ” the war is over”. That’s a statement Bush didn’t make.
    Bush went back in after the “cease fire” accords were broken. (cease fire.. temporary halt
    in the fighting) No articles of surrender have ever been drawn up.
    So in my opinion “O” CAN (just like Bush) commit to a new ground offensive without Congress.
    This time leave the lawyers out of it.. ( I know… FAT chance.)
    It’s in the LIBS corner now.
    Remember tomorrow is the 11TH. If terrorists hit ANY target America will hold every elected Lefty accountable. The Democrat mule mascot is already walking ” the green mile” towards NOV.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    This is a very serious question. You advocate the better good is being served by the US installing and supporting various dictators for our own security and financial benefit re Chile, Iran. At what threshold would you support that kind of leader being installed in this country?

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 519pm – What gave you the idea that I thought the question/topic is not serious?? BTW, while we were very complicit in the Shah’s ascendancy in Iran, our involvement in Chile with the Marxist Allende’s downfall was incidental. When he fell it was only the far left that mourned.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1008/p25s01-cogn.html
    I don’t follow your question about “threshold” and leaders being “installed in this country”. Pleas ask it another way.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    “threshold” and leaders being “installed in this country”.
    Are we not dealing with that already? Any of “O”‘s background and history
    is under lock and key.
    Hillary was double digits ahead, then the “Wizard of OZ” stepped in and the next thing we know,, “O” get’s the nod.
    An “installation” if there ever was one. But who is really running the show Valarie Jerrod. Nothing happens without her approval. Don’t believe that?
    do some digging.

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  30. Walt Avatar

    Entitle that speech ” Broke back” threat address. ( Utterly pitiful)
    ISIS must be quaking in their sandals. ( and laughing their ass off)

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Only incidental? this is from the CIA’s own website. What does “instigate a coup” mean to you? What does “kidmapping” meant to you?
    This is from the CIA’s own website
    “Support for Coup in 1970. Under “Track II” of the strategy, CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before, as Constitutionally required because he did not win an absolute majority, the Chilean Congress reaffirmed his victory. CIA was working with three different groups of plotters. All three groups made it clear that any coup would require the kidnapping of Army Commander Rene Schneider, who felt deeply that the Constitution required that the Army allow Allende to assume power. CIA agreed with that assessment. Although CIA provided weapons to one of the groups, we have found no information that the plotters’ or CIA’s intention was for the general to be killed. Contact with one group of plotters was dropped early on because of its extremist tendencies. CIA provided tear gas, submachine-guns and ammunition to the second group. The third group attempted to kidnap Schneider, mortally wounding him in the attack. CIA had previously encouraged this group to launch a coup but withdrew support four days before the attack because, in CIA’s assessment, the group could not carry it out successfully.”
    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/#4

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I for one was glad to see the Monroe Doctrine working back then. Of course Grenada and Allende had to go and good riddance. America did the right thing there. Same with Afghanistan. Of course LBJ had Santa Domingo and a few others but someone had to keep the commies out of this hemisphere. Castro has been bottled up but he saw no problem going to Angola in Africa and fighting. Perhaps the wrath of the libs should be against the commie endeavors? And now, maybe others who were so “peaceful” see we as a country have to maintain vigilance since the ISIL head choppers are coming for us.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    Paroozing the stories about the lame speech,, the devout LIBS are in full damage control.
    They are all falling on their swards in defense of Dear Leader.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    I invite your kind attention to this post’s 10sep14 update.

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  35. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Paul is right – we backed that awful Shah in Iran. He let gurlz wear lipstick and wear skirts and go to school!!!! Now Paul is much happier with the current regime shooting gays dead on the streets and making sure them womens cover them selves all up or else!
    Right Paul? dead silence.
    Look Paul – I’m sure you have a brain – please start using it.
    No one on earth is perfect and neither is any govt. Please try to put things in perspective and deal with reality. It’s currently happening right now at a planet real close to you. When a bad guy comes to your home and starts whupping on you, you don’t fail to call the police because one of their officers cited you for speeding and you think maybe he wasn’t real honest about how fast you were going. We wouldn’t have to spend as much as we do on defence if we would just make sure to go all out on our enemies as we did in WWII. When we fought in Korea, we showed the world we really didn’t want to win wars any longer. And that invited all sorts of trouble. It’s really quite simple. We are the good guys and the current bad guys are militant Islamists. Being a good guy doesn’t mean perfect or even close. Being a bad guy doesn’t mean they have no redeeming qualities. But we are the good guys and we go in and kill anyone that raises their hand to being on the other side. We can do that. We have done it before several times and it does work. It doesn’t get rid of all the other bad guys but it does make them think a while before they start trouble. Try studying world history – it’s not rocket science. But you have to drop your bone headed thinking about how we have to be perfect. There are bad folks out there. They don’t care about what color your skin is or what you eat for dinner. They want to kill you. For fun or money or for whatever god they follow. What are you going to do about it? Talk won’t do it. Figure it out.

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  36. Russ Steele Avatar

    Scott@09:09PM
    Right on! Well said! Problem is that Paul does not understand one sentence of your post. He is still looking under the blanket for the perfect world that exists only in his head.

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  37. Walt Avatar

    Then there is his personal,, “do not respond list”. Ignore at all costs.
    Now stand by for subject change.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Even though Obama’s approval is not so hot in the polls nowdays he’s nothing like the Pubbers in congress that are in the 20’s
    http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    Walt 949pm – looking at PaulE’s 1007pm, you are one prescient sonuvagun 😉

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I was sticking to the topic raised by our host in his update that included Obama’s poll ratings. Good old compare and contrast that we learned in Jr High as a way of expanding on an idea. No subject change.
    Russ
    you’re right. I just don’t have the stomach to accept Shah and Pinochet types as being for the good of humanity. I guess that’s a personal character weakness.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Paul may care to see how Dirty Harry has been up too.. And he points his boney finger at the Repubs? LOL! His desk is stacked high with Bills passed by the House, never to see the Senate floor. ( he has Dems to protect. No way can their votes be used against them by the voters. Ummmm ,,, like,,, uh,,, immigration? or jobs Bills?) Yaa. The Repubs have been out playing golf.
    Now go dig up something to bitch about say,,, from the civil war?

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott writes:
    ” But we are the good guys and we go in and kill anyone that raises their hand to being on the other side. We can do that. We have done it before several times and it does work.”
    CAn you tell me the last time this “worked”?

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Scott you are correct. The USA has ensured the success of our country and its system by taking out the crap of the planet that tried to do us in or undermine freedom. Excellant.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar

    Todd What was the last successful de-crapping that we engaged in? Is de-crapping constitutional?

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Grenada, Afghanistan, Chile, Iraq, Bosnia, Germany, Japan, Italy, the list goes on and on.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Well Paul,, Bush did a pretty good job of de-crapping. Then when “O” came along the human filth of radical Islam really started to pile up. Nice cesspool LIBS have allowed to overflow.
    Speaking of “Constitutional”,, The LIBS haven’t cared one bit about what’s “Constitutional”. ( How bout all that domestic spying? Far beyond what Bush EVER did.)

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    Expanding a bit on US imperialism. Yes, we were complicit in the demise of Iran’s Mossadegh and Chile’s Allende. Mossadegh wanted to nationalize British oil interests in Iran. We also had a more geo-strategic concern in that Mossadegh was courting the USSR, and if Iran fell into the Soviet camp then it would provide the home of international communism an unimpeded warm water access to the world’s oceans.
    Allende was a communist and promised to turn Chile into another workers’ paradise like Cuba (we blew it with Castro, believing that he was an ‘agrarian reformer’ against the evil Batista). During the middle of the cold war we did not want the USSR to gain another foothold in the Americas, this time on the continent itself. So we toppled Allende and accepted Pinochet who fanatically persecuted leftwingers during his reign. Subsequently we were able to guide Chile into the poster child of South American prosperity as a liberal democracy.
    In Iran we didn’t do so well, and allowed Khomeini back in to banish the Shah and become a greater killer of Iranians and turn the country into an architect and supplier of Islam’s war against the west. See also ScottO’s 909pm.
    All in all, those interludes dovetailed pretty well with the small wars we fought to contain international communism, and allow it to collapse (USSR) and reform (China, Vietnam, …) to prepare us for the next round of western civilization fighting to preserve itself.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think the “History of the US MArine Corps” would be a good read for those that want to see where and when our country was over the years in addressing threats.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Thanks for confirming my position that indeed we did subvert sovereign nations for our own economic interest. In the case of Iran it was to support the economic interests of Britain (BP) that was the main reason for our creating a successful coup against a democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation. There was vague concern of course about the “soviet camp” which was the standard reason given for any subversive activities we attempt anywhere in the world.
    Also, you say that we “allowed Khomeini back” to take charge of Iran. that’s a new one for me. So we were quasi supporters of the Iranian Revolution.

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  50. Walt Avatar

    WOW Paul,, the way your “opinion” reads, Those “sovereign nations” should have free run to oppress, enslave, and if they so choose, mass genocide. We should just sit back and watch.. ” Hay,, they put them in power,,,”.
    Great “forward thinking”.

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