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Sandbox – 24jul14

24 July 2014

[Apologies for my recent silence. We were doing a little trailering with friends in the future State of Jefferson during the past week ;-) When SoJ comes to pass, one of the first orders of business is to spread broadband far and wide. And we can, of course, start that right here in Nevada County. Did everyone see D'Souza's film 'America'? Apparently every leftie in town went to see it, and then packed the movie's review page with horrible posts. But, hey, at least it's good to see them put their money where their mouth isn't.]

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105 responses to “Sandbox – 24jul14”

fish

28 July 2014

…and Bitchy Fatpants has returned…….
BTW, The Union also dutifully posted the press release, but didn’t have the journalistic ethics or integrity to point out that it stemmed from this blog’s FOI request, as shown by the letter. <a href="http://www.theunion.com/news/12383953-113/grand-jury-county-nevada“>http://www.theunion.com/news/12383953-113/grand-jury-county-nevada
Mmmmmm for a guy who claims to care so much about “results” and good government you seem awfully preoccupied with getting credit for writing a letter.
….and as always….LOL.

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Russ Steele

28 July 2014

The Purple Man writes:
The letter confirms my speculation (which I reported in comments) that Elaine Meckler, Tea Party co-founder Mark Meckler’s mom, and Gregory Marks, a longtime hard-right politico with the local GOP leadership, are Civil Grand Jury members. Dottie Ray Souter also has been active in local conservative politics.
I do not recognize any other names being political activists for the “left.”
We discussed the Purple Man’s letter at lunch. Ellen was on a Grand Jury for 20 months. She pointed out that it is not unusual for 100 people to volunteer for the GJ Duty, but only 19 are chosen by a random process. Maybe the reason there are no hard left on the GJ is they are not volunteering for duty on the GJ in large numbers. Could it be that Purple Man does not understand how the GJ selection process works? It is a volunteer organization, you have to show up before you can be considered for selection. I will bet that he has not ever volunteered for Grand Jury duty. He would have to rub elbows and work with with lots and lots conservative volunteers. The key to success is showing up, and conservative show up. Where are the lefties?

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Russ Steele

28 July 2014

I invite your attention to my essay on climate change and Agenda 21 here: http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2014/07/27/every-thing-is-going-as-planned-climate-change-and-agenda-21/
Implementation of Agenda 21 is going to have an impact on the local economy, as energy prices soar. Details in the essay. Your comments are invited.

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Gregory

28 July 2014

If only 3 of 19 Nevada County civil grand jury members are conservatives, they are probably short of the number you would expect from a random sampling of legal residents who don’t have a criminal record or other evidence of bad character or mental defect.
El Jefe’s (note that’s close to Jeff, Spanish for ‘the Chief’ and phonetically similar to “hefty”) increasingly shrill witch hunt for conservatives among his neighbors is getting creepy.

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fish

28 July 2014

El Jefe’s (note that’s close to Jeff, Spanish for ‘the Chief’ and phonetically similar to “hefty”) increasingly shrill witch hunt for conservatives among his neighbors is getting creepy.
Getting…..?

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George Boardman

28 July 2014

The last time I checked, Lake of the Pines was the most Republican precinct in Nevada County. LOP has plenty of law-and-order types who prefer a lot of laws so they can maintain order. Conservatives should practice what they preach.

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Gregory

28 July 2014

Yes fish, getting.
It was always ugly and partisan, but between his censorial demand for the Western Gateway Park to rein in “Tea Party” use of the facility (as often as once a month!) for get togethers, and now his rant over three people he recognizes as conservatives being on the Civil Grand Jury, El Hefty is getting both creepy and clearly illiberal.

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George Rebane

28 July 2014

re GeorgeB 200pm – As a shared attribute, LOP may also/instead be populated by those who like to live in a ‘just so’ neighborhood that they seek to maintain through explicit rules (since behavioral constraints imposed by a common culture no longer serve in 21st century America). But it doesn’t have to be a right/left appeal to understand their (presumably) thick rulebook. Folks of the Left, seeking to build ever more comprehensive collectives, have demonstrated how thick they can make the books containing rules to their own liking.
As long as all who move to LOP do so with full understanding of the CC&Rs and their application, then there should be no grousing that spills over the bounds of LOP. And yes, conservatives should indeed practice what they preach, joined, of course, by others of different stripes.

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Todd Juvinall

28 July 2014

As a target of a liberal filled Grand Jury in my first term as a Supe I saw how the system was abused by partisans in those days. Of course they were just fishing and the members were out of the committee of the person I defeated. Since then the picking has changed. Maybe Pelline should traipse over to his friends office, the one he donated $500 to, and check the registrations of the members. He is as usual, making shit up so his credibility is moot anyway.
Boardman appears not to understand CCR’s of subdivisions. People move there for lots of reasons, one may be the “gated” aspect that keeps out riff-raff like me. My dad built houses there and it seemed people liked the golf course and the lake and the rules were an after thought. I suggest Boardman read the CCr’s and get back to the blog.
The Second District was the only one I won in 1998 in the Assessor’s race. Prop 8 was my platform and those people seemed to know what I was talking about. LOL! (that was for Pelline)

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Barry Pruett

28 July 2014

The grand jury reports are reviewed by County Counsel and the presiding judge and approved by a super-majority of the 19 member panel. So two people who are conservative on the Grand Jury is almost irrelevant. Simple partisan politics by the FUE…as usual.

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Don Bessee

28 July 2014

Hey gang, can you help us little people out here on an issue? What does FUE stand for? I have heard many permutations such as F** U*** Elitist, Former something or other and so on? I have to ask why he posted that he filed a Freedom Of Information Law Suit regarding the Grand Jury without a Case Number identified? His letter was a request under the CA Gov. codes. Am I the only one who finds his love of the Royal Purple odd for a leftist wanna be populist who brags about his high living? His recent whine about the Grand Jury re-appointments is a perfect jeffisim. So Judge Tom Anderson is now a hard right activist? He did the reappointments.

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Bill Tozer

28 July 2014

At long last I have run out of adjectives. Speechless.
Pelosi: Qataris Have Told Me ‘Hamas Is a Humanitarian Organization’

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Bill Tozer

29 July 2014

Mr.Bessee. I can only guess that FUE is an acronym for something. I always thought it was a misspelling of phew. Think the first letter is for fake or fascist or fat or fatty or fabricator….all apply so pick yer poison.
Maybe it stands for F’ed Up Egomaniac….perhaps someone out there can help ya. Lord only knows there is no help for Pelosi or the PHEW.

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George Rebane

29 July 2014

FUE = Former Union Editor

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fish

29 July 2014

William,
Pelosi: Qataris Have Told Me ‘Hamas Is a Humanitarian Organization’
Pablum for the softest headed proggies back in Cruellas district.

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fish

29 July 2014

….and in the “It was bound to get better in Italy” category.
The foul-mouthed, ignorant crew on Rebane’s “right wing nut” blog are suddenly crawling out of the woodwork on this issue too. Funny how that works. I have lost hope that Lucy can help them: http://bit.ly/1mXa1pN
They are tiny and irrelevant, but the bigger issue is whether our community will let itself be hijacked by the tea party in our supposedly nonpartisan posts.
There there jeffy….we are indeed “tiny and irrelevant” a far better state I’d argue than “corpulent and irrelevant”.
One point of agreement….that did look like one hell of a birthday cake that Barry received. Lucky bastard!

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Barry Pruett

29 July 2014

George: Started receiving articles from Stratfor. Amazing articles and am thinking of getting a monthly subscription. Thank you for the connection.
BTW…cake was awesome! In fact it was the same day McClintock aptly identified our clerk-recorder as a radial liberal. Happy day.

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fish

29 July 2014

In fact it was the same day McClintock aptly identified our clerk-recorder as a radial liberal.
Funny….. “radial liberal” was to be my next label for FUE know who……
Oh wait….you meant radical liberal. Never mind then!

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Barry Pruett

29 July 2014

Seriously, I strongly advise everyone hear to read the Stratfor articles that George posts. They are extraordinarily informative. I wish Obama was reading them…
Radial? Yes I meant radical…as I laboriously type on my phone.

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fish

29 July 2014

…and look who’s awake early and lurking.
jeffpelline says:
July 29, 2014 at 7:13 am
And here’s Barry Pruett’s response to the photo: “BTW…cake was awesome! In fact it was the same day McClintock aptly identified our clerk-recorder as a radial liberal. Happy day.”
Well jeffy…..another day where the sleep apnea hasn’t killed you. Indeed a cause for celebration!
In keeping with the “Lucy” theme I think that when you return a vigorous program of “fussing” is in order to help you burn off some of those Italy carbs!
~~Charlie Brown~~ fish: “I thought you were coming outside to play?”
~~Lucy~~ jeffy: “I changed my mind. As honorary chairman of the
National Fussbudget Foundation I have certain obligations……
I think I’ll stay inside and FUSS!”

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Gregory

29 July 2014

What say you, comrades; would FUE have stuck if it wasn’t pronounced “phooey”?
While I would never bet against the proposition the GOP can again pull defeat from the jaws of victory, I think El Hefty is a bit edgy about the election coming up in about 4 months, and this is driving his recent witchhunting.
“Wakey-wakey, friends. Time to wreak mayhem in the cause of evil.”
-Marvin the Martian

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Barry Pruett

29 July 2014

When the FUE starts losing arguments, you get cut off from commenting. My last comments are in permanent moderation. C’est la vie!

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fish

29 July 2014

When the FUE starts losing arguments…..
jeffy doesn’t make arguments……he hyperventilates over issues and whines like my ex-wife. As to your comment in limbo….pray for it….it shan’t see the sunshine again!
That’s transparency in the world of the jeffy!

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fish

29 July 2014

What say you, comrades; would FUE have stuck if it wasn’t pronounced “phooey”?
The particular grouping seems to work on multiple levels and can be tailored to specific situations.
It stands alone….FUE…former mediocre editor of a mediocre newspaper (newspaper aficionados please don’t take offense…they’re all mediocre these days! We used to have Mencken….now we have Morford….and yes FUE too jeffy)
It can serve as a starter group….“I sure hope that jeffy doesn’t FUElishly cause an international incident while he’s in Italy”
You can close with it…..“Damn…what is that smell…..PHUE?”
You get the picture. The beauty is in its versatility!

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Bill Tozer

29 July 2014

Go Jefe Go! Them radicals are trying to hijack YOUR speck on the planet. Get moving with a purpose and root them all out. Expose them for what they are. Maybe with your fine credentials you can uncover a secret Tea Party note in a pumpkin out there in yonder pumpkin patch. Did wonders for your mentor, Congressman Richard M Nixon of California back in the day. You deserve your 5 minutes of fame. Save Western Nevada County for the sake of Mom, apple pie (ala mode in your case) and the American way.
You may be in Old Europe enjoying your family vacation but after a few “a glass of wine” several times a day, you mind is still as sharp as a fence post and as interesting as a bucket of sandstone.
Go Jefe go. Them extremists be hiding behind every bush. We need you standing on every street corner to protect our women and children from the evils of the militant graybeards.
What would a student of history call your siren call? Oh yeah, McCarthyism.

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Gregory

29 July 2014

“When the FUE starts losing arguments, you get cut off from commenting.” It’s the Jeff Pelline Show over there; El Hefty losing arguments and looking stoopid isn’t in the script.
I’d be surprised if, in the long run, his political witch hunting doesn’t make it harder to sell advertisements in that free-rag glossy advertiser he runs, Sierra Food Wine Art. He lives in a glass house and should watch that stone throwing habit

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Todd Juvinall

29 July 2014

I wonder if the FUE is in Italy to pay homage to that man of distinction, Mussolini! He made the trains run on time and he had the same policies about “free speech” as the FUE!
I submitted a 750 word Opinion or Voices, to the Union and it appears it will not be published as it has been a couple of weeks after I was called by Hamilton to verify I wrote it. Oh well, I guess I am too opinionated for the Union too. And I did not say one bad word! As always, what a hoot!

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Brad Croul

29 July 2014

Barry, can you re-post your moderated comments here? It pisses me off that someone would just censor comments because they don’t like how the conversation is going.

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Russ Steele

29 July 2014

Maybe George should start a special Sand Box for moderated comments that never see the light. It will be interesting to see what ideas and thought that the FUE finds objectionable, we would see what kind of thinking that he fears the most.

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Gregory

29 July 2014

“It pisses me off that someone would just censor comments because they don’t like how the conversation is going.”
Brad, that is Pelline’s modus operandi and has been for some time. For example, he wrote what was, in essence, ad copy for an upcoming InConcert Sierra event, parroting false claims by the Harvard Glee Club they were the oldest collegiate choir in the USA. Jeff let a couple through while mocking me and blocking responses. I alerted InConcert Sierra of the false ad copy and they did not take the offending copy down from their website, clearly marked as being from Jeffy, but the piece in The Union a few weeks later was sanitized and did not contain any of the false claims so they got the message.

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George Rebane

29 July 2014

Dear Readers – The Sandbox is a perfect venue for your comments that have been “moderated” (censored?) elsewhere. In posting them here, it would help if you used an informative header like –
*** 29jul14 comment moderated on (name of blog) ***
This would allow them to stand out in the comment stream, give their currency, and identify where initially posted. Thanks.

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Kathleen Jones

29 July 2014

Well, the response inThe Union to the “FUE” is delightful! (It was obvious from the letter that the FUE had made the request, I don’t get his need for more recognition in The Union.) I am glad answers to his fatuous questions were answered. Of course, how to serve has always been publicly available, but I am glad he was schooled in how to become a member. Maybe now his tribe can GIVE of themselves and make application so SERVE the community on a future GJ. Some people DO and some people WHINE.

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Gregory

29 July 2014

Brad 9:02
Please note Pelline’s defense against Barry’s complaint verifies that everything Barry writes has to be approved by El Jefe first.
Nothing I’ve had blocked over there deserved blocking based on any fair and reasonable community standard and I expect that goes doubly so for Barry who, I suspect most would agree, is a bit milquetoast compared to my usual style.
Off to the weather… how many know the summer weather in the Arctic Circle is the COLDEST since the Danish Meteorological Institute began determining average Arctic temperatures, starting in 1958? Since April, temps have been below average (often quite a bit below average) every day save a couple days a couple weeks ago. They have been plunging since that brief stab towards normal for the season:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
All the years are available for the looking and yes, I’ve looked at them all.
Remember, that’s just weather. It wouldn’t be climate unless it was the warmest summer since, oh, maybe 2009.

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fish

29 July 2014

….followed by the joyous lassitude of sweaty satisfaction……
I was glad to see The Union has updated its article to read: “Additionally, please be advised that a request for information (made by Jeff Pelline of SierraFoothillsReport.com) regarding the 2013-2014 Nevada County Grand Jury and the 2014-2015 Nevada County Grand Jury was received by the Nevada County Grand Jury on July 12, 2014. The Nevada County Grand Jury feels disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest and will contribute significantly to the public’s understanding of the Nevada County Grand Jury.”
Sounds like somebody needs a cigarette.

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fish

29 July 2014

Barry, can you re-post your moderated comments here? It pisses me off that someone would just censor comments because they don’t like how the conversation is going.
Ah Brad I believe that you are making a mistake…..jeffy never censors……he moderates….moderates!
From the Google online dictionary:
monitor (an Internet forum or online discussion) for inappropriate or offensive content.
Since everything seemingly not in lockstep with his thinking is “inappropriate”….well you can see where this is headed.
….and in closing….a final directive from his Magnificence.
And Brad, If all this “pisses you” off (as you said over on Rebane’s blog) there’s nobody forcing you to participate.

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Gregory

29 July 2014

Personally, I noticed Pelline trying to run me off his blog after one post of his that I so thoroughly discredited that both Michael P. Anderson and Steven Frisch agreed with me and rejected his premise. Jeff was one unhappy camper. It’s “Jeff Pelline‘s Sierra Foothills Report” and don’t forget it or he’ll do a Cartmanesque, “Screw you guys, you’re going home.”

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Gregory

29 July 2014

Jeff claims this about Barry P:
“Brad, Barry is in moderation, because of his irresponsible and libelous comments about me and Greg Diaz, his “mortal enemies.” All examples are documented. I am liable for comments published here.”
I suspect the lawyer in the mix would disagree with Jeff’s characterization, which is probably irresponsible and libelous itself.
I was banned not because of any claimed libel by me. The defamatory speech in my case was directed against me by both Jeff and his attack poodle of the time, both of whom fabricated false and damaging statements, though, to be fair, the fellow from NSJ probably was and is sufficiently separated from reality to arguably be unable to know the difference.

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Walt

29 July 2014

The “round one” with his own gravitational pull, subscribes to good ol’ Berkeley U values. ” You can say anything you like, as long as I ( we) agree with what you say.”
That’s the Progressive idea of ” free, unfettered speech”.
That was a comment caught on tape of a Berkeley student some years back, yet just as true (if not worse) today as when it was said back then.
Sorry to hear that Brad is getting the JoeK treatment. Seems LIBS have no problem eating their own the minute they step out of line.
FUE will become the “Masterdebater” of his own blog, when he gets done banning all who dare post anything. He will just ghost post under different names and agree with himself.
Now don’t get the “meat grease” all over the keyboard while debating yourself.
Now back to training the new German Sheppard pup.
BTW,, Hear Gov. Moonbeam is pretty much wanting illegals to have free run of the state? How DARE Gov. Perry put the National Guard on the TX. boarder!
Brown wants an open boarder. Just like “O” and Co. … No wonder he wants the run for prez….

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Barry Pruett

29 July 2014

In FUE speak, “libelous” means true things that I do not want you to say.
Certainly having passed a couple bar exams, I rest assured that I have never defamed poor Jeffy. After all, truth is the ultimate defense in such cases. That said, if anyone does get sued by Jeffy for defamation, make sure that you depose the former publisher of The Union so that we can get the real reason for old Jeffy’s departure therefrom on the record so to speak and with immunity for the former publisher.
I would love to sit in on that depostition.

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Bill Tozer

29 July 2014

They say traveling is broadening. Wonder if at trip to the Hanson Bros. scales were on the pre-vacation and post-vacation itinerary to find out if it is tue. But then again, they used to say fat people were jolly, which has proven quite the opposite.

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fish

29 July 2014

Certainly having passed a couple bar exams……
Yeah Barry…but you went to law school in Indiana….Indiana….of all places……..and that means you’re little more than a African Bushman in jeffys eyes. Certainly not nearly as prestigious as a J school degree from a school in Illinois!
Indiana….really!

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Walt

29 July 2014

Two first class seats must run a pretty penny. I don’t think the “two for one” rate applies any more. But “no charge” for the seat belt extension.
Three seats in econo class will get real pricy.
I sure would love to see the look on his face if he saw any of the Italian Tea Party clan. ( there IS a chapter over there. They paid a visit to Texas when we went to the big Freedomworks convention a while back.)
That should REALLY make his day.

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fish

29 July 2014

Now don’t get the “meat grease” all over the keyboard while debating yourself.
That is a most unpleasant turn of phrase Walter!

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fish

30 July 2014

During our last leg home, I all noticed all the Lilliputians and Yahoos have hopped back to Rebane’s sandbox to cast pebbles, resorting to their personal attacks rather than substantive ones. Nothing changes much in two weeks.
Mr. Pelline,
I have a substantive issue I would like to discuss. You require commenters on your blog to register in order to comment. “Real” name and e-mail address, website optional are your requirements. When a person attempts to leave a comment, the following;” Email (required) (Address never made public)” is prominently displayed in the comment section.
In your response to:
Jackie Morrison says:
July 28, 2014 at 12:13 pm
the very first thing that you show in clear text in your response is an e-mail address
jeffpelline says:
July 28, 2014 at 8:10 pm
Jackie (@Reagan.com),
that the reader is led to believe probably belongs to Jackie Morrison. This after providing it to a host who claims that he will abide by the terms offered initially, that e-mail addresses will “never be made public”.
Why would you do that?

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Barry Pruett

30 July 2014

I will write a post just for you today Jeffy…in between my trial and cathcing the flight back from SoCal.

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Joe Koyote

30 July 2014

You should all be happy the FUE exists because that seems to represent about 95% of the posts here. From an outsider’s POV, very very boring observing the sharks circling again and again and again. In my opinion, which I know none of you care about but as one human being to another politics aside, all of the personal sand kicking (remember the Charles Atlas magazine ads) probably hurts your political image more than it helps. Any reasonable passerby who reads this stuff would think “cranky old men with personal grudges” rather than reasoned political discourse. I guess it all really turns on what the ultimate purpose of these blogs is, information or agitation.

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fish

30 July 2014

You should all be happy the FUE exists because that seems to represent about 95% of the posts here. From an outsider’s POV, very very boring observing the sharks circling again and again and again. In my opinion, which I know none of you care about but as one human being to another politics aside, all of the personal sand kicking (remember the Charles Atlas magazine ads) probably hurts your political image more than it helps. Any reasonable passerby who reads this stuff would think “cranky old men with personal grudges” rather than reasoned political discourse. I guess it all really turns on what the ultimate purpose of these blogs is, information or agitation.
JoKe…..jeffy fancies himself “The Conscience of the Sierra Foothills” and posts articles routinely about how ……oooh….the HARD RIGHT™…are infiltrating and slowly taking over “our community™”and “our institutions™”. They’re using “our parks™” and driving on “our roads™” and dare I say they might not want lefty nitwittery to have a completely free hand running “our government™”. Now while he identifies correctly that some are pretty conservative, not all are…..and most are barely interested in the open sewer that is modern democracy at all.
That said, jeffy is such a ridiculous tit that his plaintive bleats almost always demand a response…..(Mostly it’s mockery….but on occasion it’s more appropriate to subject him to ridicule. The commenter is completely free to choose)….if for humors sake only.
If any of this makes you uncomfortable you might want to engage in your textbook example of progressive psychological projection in another venue.

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Russ Steele

30 July 2014

JoeK@09:51AM I agree, some of the snarky commits after a while become boring and repetitive. It would be nice if we could keep the conversation at a higher intellectual level, but that takes time and energy. Some commenters do not have the time, or refuse to take the time, to do the research and present their case. I have fallen in to that trap from time to time, and resolve to do a better job. Let’s see if both sides can do the same.

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Gregory

30 July 2014

“You should all be happy the FUE exists because that seems to represent about 95% of the posts here.” -JoKe
95%? You are reality-challenged, aren’t you, Jo?
This thread was lively without El Hefty for over half it’s length, and only went FUE-side up when Jeffie started his ranting about three (3!) Tea Party Types recognized on the Civil Grand Jury roster.
For the nation as a whole, 22% are TP. So if Nevada County was representative of the country, with a majority Dem identification, there would be 4 Tea Partiers on the Civil Grand Jury. Given the conservative bent of the area, and that we are in a way a Ground Zero for the TP, it might be a proper number of TP on that panel is closer to 8 or 10.
Only three? I suggest those of you who are TP and/or Jeffersons (and that is not me), send in your apps to the Civil Grand Jury, it looks like you are underrepresented.

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George Rebane

30 July 2014

JoeK (951am) has a point. For years the FUE’s blog has denigrated RR and its readers whenever it wanted to draw some attention to itself on substantive matters. And yes, I understand that FUE can’t maintain a reasonable and substantive debate on his blog, because, well, because his adherents mostly use blanks for ammunition, and that’s embarrassing. (see also Gregory’s 1036am) Better to just nip all that stuff in the bud, and just remount and spout from his ivory redoubt.
But I do think that the FUE has a clever tactic of coming here to inject some outrageous remark that then co-opts the ensuing discussion because he is such an easy and substantial target. Then it takes a while for the reverberation to die down. Nevertheless, the Sandbox or other relevant RR post is a proper venue for countering the hard Left claims posted on any other media outlet. I just wish that the animus directed at the FUE does not focus on or even emphasize the man’s ample girth – such offerings, no matter how pithy and clever, serve only to cloud over the commenter’s substantive rebuttal. But these are just my own humble opinions. Carry on.
fish 1020am – I see Mr fish is slipping back into his bad habits of cutting and pasting the entirety of previous comments about which he wishes expand. Please give us a break; for facile reading, please respect and husband the real estate.

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