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150 responses to “Sandbox – 12jul14”
This is another classic example of you guys not really understanding law. It is funny really.
Well it’s a good thing you were here to pull jeffys flabby chestnuts out of the rhetorical fire because you really aren’t fooling anyone with your argument.
You are a pretty good pseudo-attorney though Steve…..todays contribution was reminiscent of the old joke….about a good attorney being able to get a sodomy charge reduced to “following too close”.
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Wow I take my honey to see America and come back to this. I have too admit I see why Pelline is adios from the trusted position of the news. My goodness Pelline, I haven’t heard so much bullcrap since i listened to Nancy Pelosi talk about illegal kids and suckers. And Frisch, my my, you are the biggest brown noser here (watch out you will suffocate). You tortured explanations are as crappy as John Roberts on ObamaCare.
All this public place “content” vs “others” rights was settled last week in the SCOTUS case on abortion clinic setbacks. We won, that is free speech won, over regulations on the distance one must be from the clinic on public property. Sorry Pelline, you lost, I think it was 9-0. Frisch is too much a babbling idiot to understand. But that is the usual anyway.
Also, I have attended numerous lefty democrat gatherings at Condon Park over the years when I was a “non partisan” Supervisor and also a candidate for Assessor. Those people are truly nutty but I never told them they should not use the venue. Even though dogs and children ran for their lives. I still supported their right to spew on that public land.
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Geez, its not like any political advocacy or issue advocacy group has taken over the park. Yep, they have taken over the baseball fields, the creek, the pavilion and now threaten not only the disc golf course, but have invaded and barricaded the free roam dog area as well. Holy smokes! The Redcoats have taken Cambridge, Lexington, and most of Concord and are marching on Gateway Park in Penntucky, California.
Quick, man the fire hoses and let the dogs loose upon them. Them Vast Right Winger Conspiracy members are getting uppity lately. Them undiverified Tea Party types ( you know who you are) don’t know their place. Whatz next? They will be drinking out of the Progressive drinking fountains and demand to be treated like they are equal to us! Sic the dogs on them and I will personally aim the water cannon upon them graybeards.
This all reminds me when I was a Brother BM type many moons ago and was managing a half way house and free treatment center for drunks and dopers. Non-profit. Another place and time. Anyway, had no real problems besides the usual loitering complaints with the neighbors. But, one particular neighbor was beyond redemption. She fought to have no cars parked on the street (legal to park so said the police and CHP) and so we (I) acquiesced to be good citizen/neighborly and extend the olive branch. Then the lights we had in the parking lot (the parking lot she wanted us to build so there would be no cars on the street)…the lights were too bright, even though she could never see them from anywhere on her property. A volunteer built a redwood handicap ramp and she complained to the authorities that if looked unpainted so we painted it. Painting a redwood ramp for Pepe’s sake.
So, what does this have to do with this thread??? Glad you asked. The last straw was when she testified to the zoning board that we should be sent packing because when somebody walked by her house, she would “feel apprehensive.”
FeEl apprehensive? Now, how do you combat that? There is no argument, no words to appease her fears. Felt apprehensive even though there was a park close by and people walked down the street all day long.
The Fat Pillsbury Squishy Boy feels apprehensive. He don’t friggen want Dr. Rebane on the radio for seconds a month nor does he think we should have some Sherrif who won his case before the Supreme Court here either. If that ain’t enough, he keeps demanding that Dr. Rebane moderates his own blog to be more moderate. What a demented control freakazoid.
Hey, Fattis Maxiums, you don’t want any of the Hard Right speaking in public. Tough shit. You have a hard on for the hard right cause that is the closest you will ever get to anything hard. You give ass wipes a bad name.
And now out of mercy I have something for you to run back to your fort with. Its better than food!! I will repost this just for you, your Assholiness. How can we miss you when you won’t go away?
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And just for you My Lard:
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stevenfrisch 657pm – thanks for using the Nazis to march past Holocaust survivors’ homes to incite riot as an analog to the Tea Party and SoJ events at Gateway Park. I know you did the best you could. My 615pm stands.
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Mr. stevenfrisch rode “Would the Western Gateway Park regulate the activities of NAMBLA if they wanted to do a rally in the Park? You bet your ass they would…”
Mr. stevenfrisch, Mr stevenfrisch. What is this obession you have with NAMBLA and man/boy relationships? You are one sick mo fro. You have brought this odd topic up before and now you are like a dog returning to its vomit, sicko. Hey, whatever floats your boat but for the sake of people who have just digested their dinner, please keep your deviate thoughts and weaknesses to yourself. NAMBLA again? Can always count on you to keep bringing that up. There are more appropriate web sites to discuss your unresolved issues and taboos than Dr. Rebane’s blog. You might even meet someone who is in to what you are in to.
You God’s sake get help man….I think I am going to vomit perv. Thanks for ruining my dinner again. Get help!!
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Last year Jeff was disgusted with the Constitutional Day Parade in Nevada city because of the political content instead of it being totally for kids and families to have fun. He seemed to forget that both the Fourth of July and Constitutional Day celebrations remind us of where our freedoms (and fun) we take for granted come from. As another person on his site put it, “I don’t get it. If a Constitution Day Parade isn’t the proper place to air your political beliefs, when is? Isn’t having the ability to exercise our Free Speech Rights as American as Apple Pie?”
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Jesus H. Christ you people really are insane…
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I wish there was a like button/option for these comments!
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Jesus H. Christ you people really are insane…
Not half as insane as thinking that that was a convincing argument!
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fish, the atheist used the Lord’s name in vain! Too funny!
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Talking about insane, Nero is fiddling around racing to fat cat fund raisers while Rome burns.
http://rebelpundit.com/chicago-southside-residents-go-off-on-obama-over-amnesty-worst-president-ever-elected/
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Wonder why people are gathering? Here is clue #1:
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/poll-americans-rank-obama-worst-president-wwii
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fish, the atheist used the Lord’s name in vain! Too funny!
Let’s not get carried away Todd. I don’t recall from my rather cursory reading of scripture that Gods only begotten son had “H” as a middle initial.
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I think the entire State of Jefferson nonsense is nothing but a naked political ploy to rile people up so they go to the polls like a bunch of zombies and pull the Tea Party candidate level.
Indeed it is a political ploy but that is different how from the left saddling the country with President Hope n Change?
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Throughout the thread I repeatedly state that the issue is not about censorship.
jeffy 90% of that which spills from your hole is disingenuous bilge. Did you have any plan to answer how you felt harassed of impeded from using the park or has your pseudo-attorney advised against it?
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Fish, Mr. Fattis Maximus feels apprehensive about going to the park. To be honest, I feel the same way about going to doggie Parvo Park as well. Not only that, those militant extremist “my way or the highway” types on the bike path leave me feeling uncomfortable. Not that I have ever used the bike path or had a run in, its just the sight of them. And of course all those freaking looking youth gangs playing disc golf and those weirdos having the flea market at the park ruins everything. I want to go to Western Gateway Park and not see anybody. That is what I call a family outing in the city.
I don’t know why Fattis just doesn’t go to the safe political free zone of Pioneer Park and be amidst his own kind. Yes, they do wander up from Pioneer Park and piss in his front yard. But, besides that, he is much jollier when he is among his subjects. He can also use the wonderful disc golf course in Condon Park, but he will have to put up with the profanity spewing drugged out juvenal delinquents there. The world is just not run the way His Excellentasscy sees fit. Drives the poor sow bug bonkers when things to do go the way His Highass wants them to.
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All said and done in this thread, it appears that there is no answer forthcoming to my 324pm and 424pm questions which go to the heart of this imbroglio.
We can discuss points of law, and he said/she said recriminations until the cows come home. But now if, as argued, that there is no desire to proscribe free speech and all is in order with the scheduled events at Western Gateway Park, then why did the local leftwingers AGAIN raise hue and cry about such gatherings of neighbors who don’t think like they do?
And these kinds of ‘critiques’ are only the local echoes of what is a constant national din from our academe, the lamestream, and progressive politicos. As always, stuffing the bulging bag of politically incorrect speech and thought is a distinctly one-sided affair. It was ever thus.
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Posted by: George Rebane | 13 July 2014 at 08:17 AM
That would seem to be the “official” story and they are sticking to it. This was a post directed to Barry on the “Ruminations” thread it seems more appropriate for this one.
Steve: I call bullshit. Jeff added his “conclusion” after his grossly unconstitutional proposal was exposed.
Technical point Barry….jeffy never explicitly called for those on the…..wait for it….”HARD-RIGHT” who use the park to be denied access. He wanted somebody else to establish a policy that made him not feel harassed when he was there. It was only after the fact when his pseudo-attorney showed up because the master rhetorician was flailing so ineptly that they moved the goalposts and made it a “scheduling issue”. It makes him a chickenshit….to use an administrative mechanism to stifle his political foes….but it’s jeffy so I’m sure you aren’t surprised.
I should add that he hasn’t defined “harassment” or even offered that he felt so by the activities conducted there. The link provided by him was sufficiently vague that anything might be considered harassment if someone was to be made uncomfortable. This a condition that jeffy seems to find himself in regularly.
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The world is just not run the way His Excellentasscy sees fit.
This really seems to be the crux of the matter William.
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In which jeffy doubles down…..and Steve weighs in again as well.
What the advocates of the State of Jefferson are proposing is essentially a “Balkanization” of the United States of America. A separation of people into like minded camps that have the power to exclude those who do not think and believe as they do. Look at the views of one of the local proponents, George Rebane, who has stated clearly that he believes that like minded should have ability to live together and create policies to safeguard that right.
So this would be a change from your earlier position where you say that this will never happen….just let the crazies rant?
Steve you need to learn to quit when you are ahead. There will be no legislative mechanism by which the State of Jefferson comes into being.
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Fat wah
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Jory Stewart says:
July 13, 2014 at 8:21 am
Right on, Steve. Thank you!
What is it with you land use planner types that you can’t seem to shed the “60’s”?
Right on Steve……Right on.
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fish 840am – thanks for the heads up on SteveF’s comment. I read the whole thing, and it certainly points to nothing but disconnect. The man claims an understanding of the Constitution, yet does not recognize that all SoJ and similar initiatives follow strict constitutional processes. Are his misrepresentations of people’s desires and actions intended, or is the discussion beyond his ability to follow?
BTW, as I’ve made plain before, SoJ has almost no chance of success through a strict constitutional process. Today its useful purpose is to let those who will listen know why so many of us believe that the country is well on its way in the wrong direction, and that there are tens of millions of voices in the land, as currently structured, that are ignored both on Main Street and in the legislatures.
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Free speech, free expression and free association aside, here is a new topic I wish to hit on. Its not as juicy as Big Boy making ribs for his nephew but just as predictable. Politicians haggler, make speeches, and chew the fat as the enemy approaches the gates. Nothing new under the sun:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0
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“Jesus H. Christ you people really are insane…”-Frisch, last night
We also have his Lardship the FUE serving an old Peanuts “Psychiatric Help 5 cents” cartoon for what he terms the “hard-right” blogs… What is it about left leaning authoritarians that leads them to accuse people who disagree with them as needing psychiatric help? Frisch and Michael P. Anderson (owner of a tiny local IT support company, Clientworks) have both accused me on this very blog of being “haldol soaked” and have as yet not retracted that slander; they apparently think it funny.
Pelline, reading of some right wingers daring to openly use a local park for a gettogether, raised an alarm based ONLY on the politics of the people involved; it that isn’t a call for prior restraint of speech, nothing is. At least the City of Skokie could point to prior bad acts of Nazis when they tried to do the same when Nazis wanted to parade though a town with a large Jewish population purely to provoke outrage… TP gatherings have always been peaceful, have harassed no one and they seem to pick up after themeselves, so what does Jeff and Steve have to complain about besides their message?
The local tea partiers and Jeffersons, in contrast to the Famous Marching Nazis in Skokie, just want a nice place to listen to each other and have some hot dogs, and the lovely park their taxes support, Western Gateway Park, is where they want their picnic. In short, they aren’t trying to provoke or harass anyone… unlike his Lardship and his sidekick, Stevie.
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“Jesus H. Christ you people really are insane…”-Frisch, last night
Yeah….I think that towards the end of the exchange Stevie realized the his “Lardships” (Good one right back at you Greg) argument was crap and he was just looking for a way out. He’s used that method with me, I’ve seen him use it with you…..really his version of “Go fuck yourself”!
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I may be crazy, but I ain’t stupid. Flubber and Son of Flubber were entertaining movies back in the days of Herbie the Love Bug, but tolerance has beget intolerance. So Flubber now has a side sick lawyer, the Son of Flubber? Never trust them quasi lawyers. They wear collared shirts to hide their foreskin. Like Father, like Son of Flubber.
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The park is supposed to be “filled with fun for individuals, families and groups,”. No problem with that. No prob Mr. Blob. Don’t know what got The Blob’s dander up. He keeps repeating himself with the quote about the park being fun for groups, families and individuals.
Of all the family reunions, get togethers, events and groups, I have yet to hear about one solitary group that never had a good time at the park. Oh, there was that one lady that threw a event to raise money for some “save the” cause and did not raise enough and she became a wee bit out of joint after dipping into her own pocket for a few grand. Poor planning on her part to say the least, but I digress. Heck, we once held a company picnic there (off the record) one Sunday afternoon before 2008.
Looks to me that groups do and will have a fun time at Western Gateway Park. And most of these Tea Party shindigs are family outings as well, composed of humans that are born individuals. Individuals, families, and groups having fun. Mission accomplished. So, I see no prob, Mr. Blob. Lighten up and enjoy the ho down, ass wipe.
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Sure. I don’t blame you. There are a lot of misquotes and outright lies being tossed around on this subject by the detractors — not to mention nasty insults and personal attacks. It’s their MO. The other day, I posted a famous cartoon of Lucy from Peanuts offering “5 cent psychiatric help,” but I don’t that that would help. The email thread on the hard-right blogs would confound any “shrink.” Now back to the subject at hand.
Dance monkey……..
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Again, Pelline is advocating regulation based on content (political speech). This type of content based regulation is patently unconstiutional. The national parks regulation has to do with preservation of resources…not regulating political speech as Pelline is advocating. Confusing the subject by mixing words further confuses the reader of his nonsense. He has been backtracking ever since he posted the hit piece on the Park. He should just apologize for his ignorance of the Constitution and move on to what he does best…restaurant reviews.
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Barry,
Has there ever been a complaint to your knowledge about “Tea Party” groups or those on the HARD-RIGHT™ abusing their park privileges or violating the terms of their permit?
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To my knowledge there as never been complaints.
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So the “balance” between political activities and the general use of the park seems to be in order? You have a permitting process so we can “regulate” NAMBLA Day in the Park as well as provide an environment full of “fun and frolic for all” it would seem?
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Here’s more from His Lardship:
“The other day, I posted a famous cartoon of Lucy from Peanuts offering “5 cent psychiatric help,” but I don’t that [sic] that would help. For whatever reason, it isn’t moderated. The email thread on the hard-right blogs would confound any “shrink.””
Email thread? Can the self described high tech specialst from The Chronicle, supposed Internet News Editor from C/NET News and legend-in-his-own-mind blogger really be so bloody ignorant of internet technologies as to think anything in RR (or the FUE blog) is an “email thread”? Jeff, here’s a hint: if an email server isn’t involved, it ain’t email.
Perhaps someone who runs a local IT services company that Jeff trusts can give him a basic summary of the technology differences. I’ve corrected Jeff on this before to no avail.
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Barry,
You are lying again. The national park regulation ALSO has to do with ensuring that the “activity does not interfere with the enjoyment of the park by other visitors.” Here it is:
“The goal of the park in issuing a permit is to ensure that the permitted activity does not interfere with the enjoyment of the park by other visitors and that the natural and cultural resources of the park are protected.”
http://www.nps.gov/lavo/planyourvisit/permits.htm
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I support and promote many of the “nonpartisan” events at the Park — the Daffodil Run, the United Way BBQ events, disc golf tourneys and many more — just as I do at all the other parks. If the park wants to become know for hard-right political gatherings, that’s up to them. But I do think they should consider a policy that ensures that the activity does not interfere with the enjoyment of the park by other visitors, as I’ve said all along. This does not regulate the content of speech; it merely manages the “time, place and manner,” a common proactive proactive practice by parks to serve all their “customers.” I am not aware of this level of political activity going on now at the County’s other parks (Pioneer Park, Condon Park, Truckee Regional Park).
Well according to someone in a position to know there haven’t been any complaints except those darting from neuron to flabby neuron inside that lefty skull of yours…..I know, I know you voted for a republican once so you’ve been imbued with some magical evenhandedness and “fair minded” street cred about things political.
Other than CARING SO DARNED HARD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONCERNING WESTERN GATEWAY PARK SCHEDULING have you ever felt harassed or impeded as a result of political activities occurring there?
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“The goal of the park in issuing a permit is to ensure that the permitted activity does not interfere with the enjoyment of the park by other visitors and that the natural and cultural resources of the park are protected.”
You claim to be some sort of newsman. You do realize that merely repeating your claim again and again doesn’t constitute evidence.
Who has had their day at the park diminished by the political activities occurring there?
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Barry,
At this point I have to side with you on the matter of censorship.
Prior to this last exchange I thought it possible that the master wordsmith was just extremely clumsy about his choice of language. Pelline clearly wants Tea Party activities stopped, a form of censorship, based on a vague statement about, “The goal of the park in issuing a permit is to ensure that the permitted activity does not interfere with the enjoyment of the park by other visitors and that the natural and cultural resources of the park are protected.” He has produced no evidence that anyones park experience has been diminished by Tea Party political events held at Western Gateway Park. He won’t even admit that his own experience has been diminished after being given multiple opportunities to do so.
Resolved: Jeff Pelline is clearly in favor of censorship of political views he finds distasteful. No other conclusion can be drawn.
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Jeff: You have created a straw man argument. There have been no complaints…except from you. Please point to national park policy that manages speech? Please tell us what the national park policy is when someone is offended by free speech? It is you who are lying. You have doubled down on your unconstitutional suggestions. If I wew lying where is the obligatory email from you asking a retraction or you will sue me. Fool.
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fish 656pm – Mr fish, you have nailed the FUE’s approach, and his gratuitous calling political opponents liars. Can anyone fathom what is Barry Pruett’s lie? Pelline’s complaint is based on nothing more than his own opposition to the socio-political thought of those scheduled to use the park for its intended legal purposes. His seeking to elevate that use into a public liability is right out of Alinsky’s playbook.
Among their own constituents (and blogs) such tactics must seem really powerful and subtle. I can still see the crowds in Chicago and Detroit with tears in their upturned eyes chanting ‘O-baah-mah, O-baah-mah!’ waiting for the mannah from the messiah’s mysterious “stash” to rain down and wash over them. But does he really think that such a two-digit approach would work on everyone, especially here?
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The guy is a liar and a crap stirrer. No wonder he could not keep a job at his usual target.. The Union.
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Posted by: George Rebane | 13 July 2014 at 07:21 PM
I’ve seen people get backed into bad arguments before…and this one was a corker. Apparently his ideology trumps logic, reason and common sense.
Jeez FUE learn to fold when you’re playing a bad hand.
Moron.
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Jeff knows where and when the Park meetings are. They are not televised so he will have to get out from behind the computer and show up. If he thinks it is that important for the Park to censor speech, he should show up and advocate the same in person. Until such time, I consider the matter of censoring constitutional freedoms closed.
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The juicy middle of this latest Pelline crapstorm is that it’s so clearly one sided, partisan and un-American.
There is no Half Dome at Western Gateway Park, no Old Faithful. It’s a local park open to all, created for all to use, and it’s ludicrous to hold up a National Park regulation meant to handle political demonstrations as a model for use of the stage area… Western Gateway is supported by Western Gateway Park District taxes which I pay, but Jeff Pelline does not, and since TP and Jeffersons have no history whatsoever of disruptions of the peace, Pelline’s agitprop to the contrary should be denied.
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Well, the fat lady certainly has sung, but I got a tiny suspicion that it ain’t over until he says its over. Ego maniacs are that way. The Pillsbury Jelly Filled Dough Boy can whistle Dixie all night long, but Fattis Maxiumus has a way of turning good into evil, wrong side out, and assign devious motives to anything just to bolster his over overinflated Michelin Tire Man ego and defend his/its indefensible positions.
Once it leaves the mouth, you can never get it back. I would say stop while you are ahead, put that would imply way too much credence or a semblance of credibility to tubby’s position.
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Helpful Hint: In the spirit of cooperation, perhaps warning signs can be posted at the entrance of Gateway Park.
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Barry, in Pelline’s comment quoting the Park Service, what is the definition of “activities”? If that is the benchmark it would seem to me a common reading of the word would be some sort of physical activity that gets in the way of others. Not speech.
For the brown noser, Steve Frisch. You have stated numerous times you only come to this blog for the comedy, meaning you think this is all funny. I think you have now prove you are the “butt” of that comedy.
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Good point Mr. Gregory. Pulling out a federal guideline from the National Park Service to defend his position regulating little ole Western Gateway Park in tiny Penn Valley, California (a place near Smartsville and Timbucktoo in the lower foothills above Marysville) is akin to Custer’s Last Stand.
Even Lucifer himself is looking for that loophole along with every inmate in prison. Its the “some other dude did it too” defense. Me thinks his Lardship has grown accustomed to addressing those with lower IQs than found on this blog, which is indeed unfamiliar territory for the Sad Sac when visiting here. Happy trails.
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Barry,
This is not a “straw man” argument. This is about doing the right thing for ALL the customers of Western Gateway Park as a board member, not just your like-minded political activist friends. It’s about being proactive. It’s about being principled. It’s about being a leader. Worse, though, look around the at the absolute cesspool of comments that you find yourself immersed in. Go back and read this thread. It’s an angry, hateful mob that nobody would listen to if it weren’t for Anna Haynes’ http://www.ncvoices.us LOL.
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Boy Barry, you just got smacked down. How will you ever recover?
“It’s about being proactive. It’s about being principled. It’s about being a leader.”
Perhaps its about Fattis’s being proactive, about Fattis’s being principled. Principled? Now that is a oxymoron for the record books. No worries.
As a leader, Mr. Pruett you clearly spelled out your duties and adherence to Constitutional principles regarding Western Gateway and in your own personal life. Its called integrity: being the same at play, at home and at work. Also known as wholeness of the personage. Integrity is a foreign concept to Mr. LOL. To paraphrase Emerson, Mr. Fattis, “what you do shouts so loudly I cannot hear what you say.”
Good luck separating politics from anything local, be it the Chamber of Commence, your monologue blog, or the lights hanging across Commercial Street in the Berkley of the Foothills. Its about leadership? Hard to be a leader without subjects and damn impossible for you to be simply a fellow among fellows.
Pout, don’t shout. You get what you get and you don’t throw a fit. My advice to you is like throwing pearls before swine.
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I’m looking forward to the forthcoming Other Voices in The Union where Jeff Pelline makes the case for a new Western Gateway Park regulation, solving the non-existent problem of Conservatives ruining the park experience for everyone else.
Jeff, conservatives meet at our local parks. The looney left meet at our local parks. So do Boy Scouts and swim clubs. Its where locals go for open, common space.
Just what part of ” the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances” do you not get?
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