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George Rebane

Forget the latest Obamacare website fiasco for a bit.  A very surprising piece of news is making the headlines this morning about Obama’s reported ignorance that NSA was tapping the phones of certain world leaders.  (more here)  My surprise is not of the kind reported, and perhaps I’m the only one who is surprised by this “official’s” claim of yet another area of his administration’s activities about which this community organizer is also unaware.  But what are we to make of the claim?

1.    Obama is lying again, and he was fully aware, as he should have been, of NSA’s phone surveillance of peer world leaders and the relevant contents which were reported to him regularly.
2.    Obama’s minions did tap friendly world leaders’ phones on their own (lower level) recognizance and purposely failed to report the policy and contents of such taps to their boss.  If so, then how much more of such high level unawareness is going on in this administration?

The point here is that Obama’s ignorance of his regime’s monitoring of peer world leaders was disclosed as an official statement by a lower level lackey.  Whether true or not, this does not project a good picture of our government being run by a cadre of competent leaders.  (Lest some local liberals think that this view is again limited, check out Bob Woodward's asessment that this administration is "a rat's nest of concealment and lies.")

Now we are in danger of Obama doing the next sophomoric thing by issuing some ‘guarantee’ that we’ll never do it again.  Or worse, that we’ll only do it again under the ‘guarantee’ that Obama is definitely not told about it.  Or …?

For the bit of tricky logic involved here, I want to emphasize that I’m not advocating that we base our foreign policy on information made incomplete by purposely blinding ourselves to things we can see and  should view.  I question 1) how such surveillance policy is conducted within this administration (internal ignorance, incompetence, rogue agencies, …?), and 2) how we respond to charges of such surveillance from foreign leaders (further damage to our deteriorating image of being a trustworthy, strong, and competent ally).

[30oct13 update]  H/T to RR reader.

ObamaAware
[3nov13 update]  I'm reminded of certain prescient readers who last spring assured us that all of the Obama scandals would be forgotten beyond recall by this time, most of all what happened in Benghazi on 11 September 2012.  Reality is a bit different.  Obama's job performance is so poor that he even invites the lamestream to start ressurecting the history of his administration's disasters.  Last Sunday '60 Minutes' revived Benghazi with a re-examination of the events of that day and the treasonous response from Washington and the Snowden revelations.  While today Sen Lindsay Graham (R-SC) has vowed to hold all remaining Obama appointments from Senate approval until Obama permits the Senate to hear from the Benghazi survivors before concluding its investigation.  (Can you imagine the thinking that is going on in that puzzle palace to continue denying Congress that testimony?)  Hillary should be scheduled for some industrial grade teflon treatments before all this is over.  I think some reporters out there are beginning to smell one or more Pulitzers in the growing pile of garbage that continues to be buried in the Rose Garden. 

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193 responses to “‘Obama was unaware…’ again? (updated 3nov13)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar

    You don’t get it Todd. I don’t support either the Demos or Pubsters. Once again let me state they are two wings of the same fat bird. The influence that big money buys is not ideological it’s practical and the TP’s or any populist movement scare big money because they are driven by passion and idealism rather than the blind allegiance that you subscribe to that is so easy to control and predict.
    My idea to support 3rd party efforts of any kind is gaining strength with around 30% going in that direction.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, you don’t get what I said. You rail against money in politics especially corporate, and now you supply a link that says the big money has vacated the R’s and went to the D’s. This is your opportunity to support the party of the little people and the little money.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    No you don’t get it Todd. They are the same party with two factions. Republicrats. I will never vote for one of them again.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    I take it Paul will vote for the one that will get the least votes. That’s the fighting spirit.
    Sorta like when fighting a fire, and every drop of water needs to be found to fight it, ya’ go and pee on the driest spot of dirt you can find.

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  5. Gregory Avatar

    Walt, if you can’t hold your nose enough to vote for the lesser of the two evils, you vote for someone else.
    If the vote for the Libertarian in Virginia causes the GOP candidate to lose, the next GOP candidate might decide to not alienate potential voters.
    The only wasted vote is one given to a candidate who didn’t earn it.

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  6. Gregory Avatar

    “Who cares if Tenet worked for Clinton he was Bush’s hire at the time of the Iraq war”
    Again, Paul, Bush didn’t “hire” Tenet, nominated by Clinton and unanimously confirmed by the Congress under Clinton.
    From the wiki:
    “Congress voted to support the Iraq war based on the NIE Tenet provided in October of 2002. However, the bipartisan “Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Intelligence” released on July 7, 2004, concluded that the key findings in the 2002 NIE either overstated, or were not supported by, the actual intelligence. The Senate report also found the U.S. Intelligence Community to suffer from a “broken corporate culture and poor management” that resulted in a NIE which was completely wrong in almost every respect.”
    Sorry, Paul, but a “broken corporate culture and poor management” wasn’t Bush II’s doing and WMDs weren’t the only reason for restarting the hot war that had been festering for a decade.
    Set the wayback machine to 1990 and stop the madness at the start.

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    No you don’t get it Todd. They are the same party with two factions. Republicrats. I will never vote for one of them again.
    I will however cheerlead relentlessly for the “birds” left wing while indulging in an obscenely Clintonesque “triangulation” dance!

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  8. Walt Avatar

    Greg. The far Left has capitalized on the ” Libertarian”/ Conservative divide
    for decades. How many “spoilers” have cost the “Right” side of the isle seats?
    And a Progressive got the spot, despite really being out numbered.
    Anyone who is centrist to far right are all in the same boat. ( so to speak)
    The “third” (minority) party has done a great job of shooting holes in the bottom of said boat, with 00 buckshot.
    So take us ALL down… Just on principal…. right?

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    BTW fellars, Abe Lincoln was the first 3rd Party Candidate and did not even get a majority. Some act shocked that Clinton never got 50.1% of the vote either time. And Al Gore has my buddy Patrick Buchanan to thank for our dear friends down in Florida for not voting for either major party frontrunner.
    Ok, back to my latest obsession. Obamacare certainly satisfies my OCD. Yes, Obama did not know. Guess he is still among 100’s of millions that has yet to read it after signing it to find out what is in it. Suppose that is why he has Valerie “Stand Down, I said Stand Down” Jarret around for to Barry informed.
    The architect of ACA says individual insurance policies will be a thing of the past. That is the truest thing I heard all week. Bye-bye, long time no come see.
    Obamba says individual insurance policies are substandard. Oh really? If you have a serious illness, the individual policies allowed you to go to a doctor you trusted, a highly referred specialist near your home, a hospital in your local area or even a better one down the road if necessary. With good top notch care as a bonus. Try doing that on the Exchanges.
    So, individual policies purchased by pay as you go 50 something responsible divorced males NOW have to include pediatric dental care and gynecology care? To me that is substandard for my consumer needs.
    Everybody…er…the ones that drive around with “I love Obamacare” bumper stickers keep flapping their lips about saving money, affordability, and deductibles. Few are talking about what kind of care YOU will receive AFTER Jan 1st when your health care policy and your doctor who you have been seeing for a few years now are no longer available.
    I don’t blame Obamba. He simply did not know. He simply does not know Squat Diddly or his brother Bo about the forces of the marketplace. Tell me again how you can add a bunch of goodies to your insurance and have it decrease in cost? Don’t think my auto insurance works that way when I add items to my coverage and throw in lifetime free towing to boot. More is less. Or is it less is more?
    http://watchdog.org/114137/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare/

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 312pm – I will keep watch with you to witness the crickets sent by the Left to respond to this one.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Dementia, Alzheimer’s, and good old Progressive Amnesia has spread like wildfire through the Left. The ” I don’t know”s and ” he didn’t really say that” are flying out of Talking LIBS mouths.
    I guess they forget that new technology called video tape.

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  12. Gregory Avatar

    “Greg. The far Left has capitalized on the ” Libertarian”/ Conservative divide
    for decades. How many “spoilers” have cost the “Right” side of the isle seats?”
    Walt, I was a Jeffersonian/Scoop Jackson/”Clean” Gene McCarthy/Daniel Patrick Moynihan Democrat before turning LIB and I really don’t care much for Conservative politics or how badly Republicans who spit on libertarian ideals fare.
    George, sometimes the song of crickets is a delight to behold.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Tonight the White House is revising Obama’s famous healthcare quote and now maintains that what he actually said was that ‘If you like your health insurance you can keep it, as long as you don’t change it. Period.’ The problem is that there is no evidence for that quote at all. Technically this is known as a second order lie – a lie about a lie. Higher order lies also exist. We shall see.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    George 6:40
    Sounds like Bush refining the meaning of “mission accomplished” on a war that raged on for 8 years, cost trillions of dollars, and thousands of lives. They are all the same.
    Walt, if Gary Johnson, whom I voted for, would have had a chance to appear at the Presidential debates he would have won a good 30% of the votes. But the Republicrats and their corporate sponsors who run the debates won’t let outsiders in for fear they would lose control of their monopoly.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 740pm – Ah yes, back to Bush2 again, but your comparison is not even close. Bush2 celebrated the undeniable defeat of Saddam’s forces as a milestone (the subsequent internecine fighting between the religious factions was another matter). Obama lied first about Obamacare, and now has audacity to conjure up a purely fictitious statement – a lie to cover a lie. But apparently it works perfectly with some people, hence we must at least acknowledge that he understands the electorate well enough to know what will be compliantly consumed.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    What Obama needs at this juncture more than anything is Candy Crowley.

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  17. Gregory Avatar

    “Sounds like Bush refining the meaning of “mission accomplished” on a war that raged on for 8 years”
    The mission accomplished sign was requested by the carrier group, and referred to their mission which was accomplished.
    “cost trillions of dollars”
    Yes, it did, mainly because we listened to the UN, who didn’t take any responsibility for their Oil for Palaces malfeasances, or their lack of diligence in getting Iraq to comply with their many ignored resolutions, who demanded we stay there until everyone was living happily ever after.
    It would have been cheaper if, after removing the Baathists, we’d just divvied it up according to pre-colonial borders and gotten out.
    “Walt, if Gary Johnson, whom I voted for, would have had a chance to appear at the Presidential debates he would have won a good 30% of the votes. But the Republicrats and their corporate sponsors who run the debates won’t let outsiders in for fear they would lose control of their monopoly.”
    It was nice to have a good candidate on the LIB presidential ballot again, after Ed Clark, Ron Paul and even Andre Marrou there was a paucity of talent. But just being let in the debates wouldn’t have been enough.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory writes
    “Sorry, Paul, but a “broken corporate culture and poor management” wasn’t Bush II’s doing and WMDs weren’t the only reason for restarting the hot war that had been festering for a decade.”
    It was Bush’s responsibility to insure we had adequate intelligence capability to rely on its findings for such a crucial decision. Also his Secretary of defense admitted later on that there was
    “No question it was the big one,” he said. Asked if the United States would not have invaded if the administration didn’t believe Iraq had the weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld said: “I think that’s probably right.”
    So it was Bush’s failure to insure we had adequate intelligence to make such decisions that lured us into a needless war.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/rumsfeld-wmds-werent-only-reason-for-war-in-iraq/

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Mr, Paul, speaking of former President George W. Bush, here is a link to Bush’s torrid sordid horrid past that I am certain you already are fully aware of. But, it is good to remind our uninformed readers of what really happened so we don’t ever repeat them again in the history of civilization.
    https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1394389_10151690558220911_213852499_n.jpg
    Yes, we all had enough of Bush’s dirty tricks.

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  20. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, Mr. Paul, all kidding aside, you MAY be on to something considering the chances of a 3rd party. Found this for you. Look at the bottom of page 11. Who would you vote for in the next election?
    1) Dems……35%
    2) R’s 28%
    3) Indep. 30%
    4) Dunno 7%
    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Late_October_NBC_WSJ.pdf

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Well Gregory,,, How does it feel to continue to back a baled faced liar?
    Are you in ” The end justifies the means ” camp?
    “O” and Co. are backing a fake LIBitarian in VA. as we speak.
    Mybe the Right should fight fire with fire. Find someone who can BS and lie their way
    through the Progressive crowd, run as a LIB, trash the opponent with fabrications, get elected, then run up the flag of the true party affiliation.
    Progressives have a good history of doing just that. Yes,,, winning by any means necessary is really honorable… Right? Even JFK won on dirty tricks.
    When Nixon was asked why he didn’t contest the win,, he was quoted as saying, ” Why? He stole it fair and square”.
    Never mind the growing list of impeachable offences “O” and Co. have perpetrated,
    and as usual LIBS refuse to hold him accountable. ( unlike the Repubs with Nixon)
    I do believe “O” has met his ” Read my LIPS!!,,, NO new taxes” moment.

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar

    Walt
    O may have met that moment with one big difference, he doesn’t have to run for re-election. Hillary will be fresh and rested with tons of corporate business money if the Pubs run a winger. If they run Christie it may be a different story but I doubt they can due to the party split.

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hillary will be fresh and rested with tons of corporate business money if the Pubs run a winger.
    Now that is must see TV!

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hillary with her baggage and name may be too much for those that want something fresh.
    From the political correct Grey Lady:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/opinion/bruni-hillary-in-2016-not-so-fast.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1383673218-aYzvjjOmAx/IHITDAiAr2Q

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  25. Gregory Avatar

    “How does it feel to continue to back a baled [sic] faced liar?”
    I don’t know, Walt. How does it feel to be incapable of writing in your native language without major errors or grammar and spelling?
    It isn’t a lie to tell what you believe to be the truth that later turns out be false. In the case of the missing WMDs there may well have been some in one or more of the many trucks that drove across the Syrian border before Iraq fell. What is known is that the Baathist regime, modeled after Saddam’s hero, Stalin, was one of the most ruthless in history, and they were sponsoring terrorists. Given Saddam H’s orneriness and support of terrorism, there’s also a good chance we’d have eventually restarted the war even without the WMD issue to push the buttons.
    Again, the only underlying reason we’re there now is that Bush I started a war and didn’t finish it. GHW handed it over to the very corruptible UN and they passed resolution after resolution that Iraq flouted with impunity.
    US forces, including Schwartzkopf, never should have been sent to the Middle East circa 1990. Once there, and once hostilities started, Schwartzkopf should have driven to Baghdad when he had the chance and ended it then and there.
    Paul wants it to be Bush’s fault that he didn’t sniff out George Tenet and fire him without evidence early. Given Tenet’s popularity in the Senate (confirmed unanimously) it would have been futile to try to get any Democrats (in the wake of Bush v Gore) to support any CIA director nominee Bush would appoint without great evidence the firing was appropriate. In the end, Tenet resigned just weeks before the bipartisan Senate report found fault; he knew it was coming and left quietly.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    And what of Rumsfeldt’s position that we probably wouldn’t have gone to war had we known? Also are you saying that it was our role to enforce the UN mandate even though they didn’t ask us to do so? Also you seem to imply that Bush was not responsible for the failure of intelligence because Tenet was at one time Clinton’s guy. Can you confirm that position then perhaps we can move along.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Paul wants it to be Bush’s fault”…Duh, Mr. Gregory. Anything to the contrary would be “I don’t accept the premise” akin to Mr. Jones’ response to evidence that does not fit the predetermined scenario. Hey, we all have our own beliefs and like a bunch of art students looking at an oak, we all draw different pictures. But, Mr. Gregory, it seems apparent that Mr. Paul just cannot not see everything through the Bush Prism. Kinda like Brother Ben who cannot not see everything through the Hundred Billion Years of Slavery Prism. No solution can be addresses until the past is solved. Bordering on contempt prior to investigation. Science has yet to discover a cure for those types of ailments. Maybe someday someone will invent a pill that will…..
    Was it Tenet the guy who stuffed all those classified documents down his trousers after being caught going back into his office? Or was it some other Clinton appointee? Too many to choose from and so little time.
    Now, back here in the Golden State. California is heralded as the model of what can do right concerning Obamacare. While other states are having $4-6,000.00 deductibles, CA has capped theirs at 2k. A whole lot is riding on CA’s exchanges being successful as the model for the nation. But, our Insurance Commissioner thinks we may need a small delay. Is CA leading the nation again?
    http://www.latimes.com/business/healthcare/la-fi-mo-health-insurance-cancellations-20131104,0,3987170.story#axzz2joHw4vxp

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Well it’s somebody’s fault Bill. Trillions of dollars and thousands of lives were spent. Was it in your view a necessary war?

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    “And what of Rumsfeldt’s position that we probably wouldn’t have gone to war had we known?”
    I think that was an accurate assessment of the politics of the day. Had any of the attacks on the US that Putin warned his intelligence had heard of taken place, I’m sure that would have turned quickly.
    “Also are you saying that it was our role to enforce the UN mandate even though they didn’t ask us to do so?”
    Do you deny that key votes of the Security Council were bought off by Iraqi Oil For Food graft? Even Kofi Annan’s son was on the take.
    “Also you seem to imply that Bush was not responsible for the failure of intelligence because Tenet was at one time Clinton’s guy.”
    Tenet (a registered Democrat) really was an appointee of Clinton’s requiring confirmation and got 100% support in the Senate. The He wasn’t “hired” by Bush II as you stated a number of times, and he was eased out by a bipartisan Senate investigation under Bush II. The “broken corporate culture and poor management” was a long time in the making and in place at the time of Bush II’s inauguration.
    Paul, you want it all to be Bush II’s fault. How about making it Saddam Hussein’s fault? After all, he is the one who feigned having WMD’s to ward off invasions from his neighbors, refused to follow UN directions and killed more Iraqi’s during his reign of terror than we did deposing him and fighting the bitter clingers and Al Qaida who moved in.

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  30. Gregory Avatar

    “Benghazi was a picnic in the park compared to the war in Iraq.”
    Except Benghazi was, at its heart, foreign policy driven by election politics (we couldn’t have terrorists overrunning US diplomatic installations in a country that now loved us because of Obama’s leadership), and the Obama administration lied about it over and over so as to not rock the reelection boat.
    Had they not lied, with a compliant press who really wanted to believe it was a riot caused by a youtube video as claimed by the Obama crony Susan Rice, US Ambassador of the UN sent out to lie over and over, we might very well have a different President in the White House.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Yes Paul, Operation Freedom, Desert Storm, Gulf War 2, Pearl Harbor, and Big Horn was somebody’s fault. Boston winning the World Series was also somebody’s fault.
    I get your point loud and clear. Bush was responsible for things that happened under his watch as all Presidents are. Sometimes they inherit stuff, sometimes they start stuff. The Buck always stops in the Oval Office. I hear ya.
    What I am saying to you is that under the topic Obama Was Unaware, we can’t even critique the current shenanigans of the current second term Administration without someone piping in THAT this matter is small potatoes compared to what Bush did.
    How dare we talk about Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the IRS targeting political enemies, NSA throwing a very wide huge blanket over all of us instead of targeting foreign enemies/person of interest, Solyndra, our Justice department eavesdropping on journalists and their families’ e-mails/phone calls, and my current favorite “you can keep your doctor, period.”
    We must not go there on Obama cause Bush lied and people died. Bush is a war criminal, where is all the outrage???? I want to see outrage!!!!!
    Ok, Mr. Paul, here is what you have been clamoring for years. Maybe know we can talk about about where we are at now. Like whatz on the menu in 2013, not what we ate 7 years ago.
    OK, Paul, here is a bone I will toss your way.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outrage
    And if your really need me to express some OUTRAGE!, here is another bone:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutRage!
    I feel your torment. I did my torment on them rice eaters years ago, yet even I got over it. Not sure if they did. It was an outrageous party for sure.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    RE Gregory 04:30 PM
    Gosh oh Golly Gregory. I didn’t know you were a UN guy. In your view it was our responsibility to enforce the UN mandate on Iraq because hey were bribed and wouldn’t do it them selves. Thats very internarional of you. Then of course you have no problem with our support of Agenda 21 because, according to you , that was also a UN mandate. It’s all very clear now. Thanks for the clarification.

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    Got it, Paul; you don’t want an adult discussion and prefer to go off the deep end.
    Read a bit more carefully and you won’t find anything positive about the UN, at least when it comes to expecting them to do the right thing when it comes with a cost.

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  34. Gregory Avatar

    “In your view it was our responsibility to enforce the UN mandate on Iraq because hey were bribed and wouldn’t do it them selves. Thats very internarional of you.”
    While the UN fiddled, it was US boots on the ground in Saudi Arabia and our USAF and USN aviators (including a not too distant cousin of mine) who were flying sorties to keep a lid on Baathist Iraq. WE were being shot at on a regular basis while Oil for Palaces graft was sloshing throughout Europe and the far east. All the while there was no armistice, just a cease fire that Bush I set up while the UN set up their plan for rehabilitation that Iraq ignored with impunity.
    There was no peace, just a simmering mess with a murderous dictator at the center and a UN that was happy with the status quo; only the US and to a lesser extent, Britain were bearing the military costs with no end in sight.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    Can you show me the Constitutional authority the US had to enforce the UN mandate in Iraq? You are saying it was because of our commitment to the UN that we were there. From Bush’s speech to the nation justifying the war
    “The Iraqi regime has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has uniformly defied Security Council resolutions demanding full disarmament. Over the years, U.N. weapon inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi officials, electronically bugged, and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime have failed again and again — because we are not dealing with peaceful men.”

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 833pm – Interesting question Paul. The last time the US declared war was on 8 December 1941. The Constitutional authority or the lack thereof was the same for Iraq as it was for Korea,…, Vietnam,…, Afghanistan and everything in between. Were it not so.

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  37. Gregory Avatar

    “… Iraq and the U.N. Security Council signed a ceasefire agreement on March 3, 1991. Throughout the 1990s, the U.N. Security Council passed 16 Resolutions calling for Iraq to disarm the WMDs program unconditionally and immediately. Because no peace treaty was signed after the Gulf War, the war still remained in effect, such as an assassination attempt of former U.S. President George H. W. Bush by Iraqi agents while on a visit to Kuwait and Iraq was bombed in June 1993 as a response, Iraqi forces firing on coalition aircraft patrolling the Iraqi no-fly zones, U.S. President Bill Clinton’s bombing of Baghdad in 1998 during Operation Desert Fox, and an earlier 1996 bombing of Iraq by the U.S. during Operation Desert Strike. The war remained in effect until 2003 when U.S. and United Kingdom forces invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein’s regime from power.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceasefire#Persian_Gulf_War

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  38. Gregory Avatar

    “You are saying it was because of our commitment to the UN that we were there.”
    No, I never made any such claim. What did I write for you to twist into that pretzel?

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory writes: 09:41 PM
    “cost trillions of dollars”
    Yes, it did, mainly because we listened to the UN, who didn’t take any responsibility for their Oil for Palaces malfeasances, or their lack of diligence in getting Iraq to comply with their many ignored resolutions, who demanded we stay there until everyone was living happily ever after.”
    They “demanded”, we complied

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  40. Gregory Avatar

    Paul:
    “You are saying it was because of our commitment to the UN that we were there.”
    No, Paul, the US and Britain expecting the UN to keep their commitment was what kept the cease fire in place, but the state of war remained. Our aircraft were being fired upon, their agents did try to assassinate Bush I, during the cease fire. When it became clear the UN was not going to keep their commitment, then the war resumed.
    We weren’t backing the UN, we gave up on them for good reason. See “Oil for Food” for some of the reasons for giving up on the UN fulfilling their responsibilities.
    “They “demanded”, we complied”.
    Paul, what nonsense. Fixing a country you broke is ostensibly international law. So, now you are faulting Bush II and the Congress for following international law?

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  41. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hey, what to you think about local LE illegally snooping around people’s back yards checking to see if they are in compliance for growing marijuana solely for medicinal purposes. Solely for medicinal purposes as per the law?? Think that is a good idea Paul, now do ya?? Lets go off on Medical Marijuana grown exclusively for patients only. Is that fair that they are restricted around schools? Is it Paul? Shit, we have more cancer patients here than the entire population of Placer County.
    Can’t ever call you a single issue guy. You have “Bush was worse” and “where’s the outrage over local property rights/illegal enforcement of Prop Smoke ’em if you got em”? From what I have seen by fly overs, there is more medicine here that a half million patients could ever consume.
    Go ahead Mr Paul, get it all off your chest. Maybe in another dozen years you might move on to something else….like moveon.org. Let ‘er rip my brother. Type all night and when Dr. Rebane brings up Singularly, make sure it all relates to that war criminal Bush or how Sheriff Royal is scaring poor little chickens guarding Grannie’s 2 dozen plants (for medicinal purpose of course).
    It all gets down to not who is right, not who is wrong, not even who is still standing at the end of the day. It all boils down to W and Herb. That be the entire ball of wax, the whole enchilada. Everything else is just minor irritants. We are all ears. Er, speaking only for myself, I am all ears. Come on, drop the rock. Let it all hang out. Free yourself my good man.
    I will check back in a 2-3 days to see how you are fairing. You might be writing Chapter 11 or 12 by then. Let ‘er fly.

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