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George Rebane

Dr Tyler Cowen is professor of monetary theory, financial economics, and welfare economics at George Mason University and Mercatus Center .  He joins a growing list of academics and authors (cf Charles Murray’s Coming Apart) who have now concluded that systemic unemployment and permanent class divisions all will become entrenched features of our future.  To some of us such a future has been apparent for some years now as reported here.

The thesis of Cowen’s recently published Average is Over is “that America is dividing itself in two. At the top will be 10% to 15% of high achievers, the “Tiger Mother” kids if you like, whose self-motivation and mastery of technology will allow them to roar away into the future. Then there will be everyone else, slouching into an underfunded future of lower economic expectations, shantytowns and an endless diet of beans. I’m not kidding about the beans.” according to reviewer Philip Broughton (here).

Dr Cowen concludes that “we will move from a society based on the pretense that everyone is given an okay standard of living to a society in which people are expected to fend for themselves much more than they do now.”  In that future, the top 10% will continue to enjoy what we have come to call the ‘American dream’, the middle will continue to muddle on with stagnant or shrinking wages taking their comfort from “cheap education and cheap fun”.  But “the rest (Murray’s bottom 30%) will fall by the wayside, with government less and less able to take care of them.”

President Obama is deftly guiding the nation into default.  He will accept no alternative solution other than his diktat that the Republicans fold any remaining negotiating stance to save the nation from fiscal, monetary, and regulatory disaster.  Bolstered by Reid and Pelosi, the Dems have repeatedly refused to even consider any counter proposals that deviate from their ‘clean’ demands for continuing our country’s wreckless course.

OcareTaxRatesThe strongest evidence of this is the Left’s strong and constant opposition to passing the McClintock-Toomey ‘Full Faith and Credit Act’ that would guarantee that the US would never default on its debt obligation that Obama now threatens the world with multiple times a day.  “The McClintock-Toomey bill replicates the guarantees that state constitutions have had for hundreds of years to strengthen investor confidence. It gives the Treasury Secretary discretion to prioritize among other federal obligations until the political deadlock ends, tempers cool and the parties can reach a deal. But it makes his first priority to protect the full faith and credit of the U.S.”  While screaming about the dangers of default, the Dems have repeatedly killed this prudent measure, most recently as it was again included in the latest continuing resolution the House sent to the Senate last week.  (more here)

‘Obamacare wrecks the work ethic’, so argues Casey Mulligan (here), professor of economics at the University of Chicago.  Of the many horrors of this ‘affordable(sic) care act’ as it staggers toward single payer healthcare, possibly its worst consequence is “a reduction in the reward for working”.  The secret lies in what it will do to marginal tax rates (figure) –  “The health-care law, starting Jan. 1, will begin driving up marginal tax rates—well above 50% for many.”   Perhaps more than anything else, this will encourage increased effort and ingenuity expended to switch from being a maker to joining the ever-growing ranks of the takers.

Administrivia – Now TypePad has quit sending comment notification emails to its bloggers (at least this one).  This will require more work on my part to keep up with RR’s commenters.  A little slack will be appreciated while I am actively seeking to move the blog to WordPress as already suggested by several readers.  I have been woefully remiss.



[4oct13 update]  Reports are now pouring in of federeal facilities and recreational sites being patrolled by platoons of guards and other public employees to keep people from accessing them.  What is insulting to me as a citizen is that these same locations had no such security personnel on duty before the ‘shutdown’.  This sleazebag administration sets new records daily in lying and its practice of naked autocracy.  I find it hard to identify with people who either don’t care/know about this, or worse, they condone it and see nothing wrong in the practice.  (More on Barry Pruett’s Nevada County Introspective.)

Oh yes, and the other lying claptrap coming out of the WH is Obama’s positioning budget and debt limit negotiations as somehow an immoral or underhanded attempt by Republicans to introduce a new dimension into American governance.  Nothing, absolutely nothing, could be further from the truth as noted here before.  A piece today by Hassett and McCloskey (here) makes clear that “Congresses run by both parties have used the borrowing limit as political leverage with a president.”

[5oct13 update]  A liberal commenter here argues persuasively that the reason the Dems don’t accept any of the Repub passed House bills to refund the government is that they contain proposals and actions which the Dems don’t like – well no s&!t Red Ryder!  However, the brain blinders are strapped on immediately by these same members of the National Association of Naifs when the Repubs argue similarly about adopting the Dem demands to forward with a “clean CR” for the President’s signature.

Obama’s overture to America, painting the Repubs as immoral (‘terrorists’?) and obtuse since they refuse his offer to negotiate AFTER they give him a clean CR and raise the debt limit, is the epitome of calling his constituents double dummies.  This he does that several times a day now; and he’s spot on since the double dummies are not throwing this argument back in his face.

Most of us learned in kindergarten that differences are settled by compromise – each party participates in a ‘give and take’.  What the double dummies have forgotten is that if the Repubs give up their opposition to an unconditional continuing resolution and debt limit increase, then they have nothing left to give that Team Obama values when the parties enter subsequent negotiations.  It’s like being invited to a gunfight with the proviso that first you leave your six-gun at home.  Negotiating such instruments of funding government was written into the very fabric of the Constitution and has been practiced for decades.  (There is an excellent and extensive graphic on pA4 of the 5oct13 WSJ
print edition detailing the last 20-year history of debt limit
negotiations and increases showing who dominated Congress and the WH,
and the major points negotiated.  Apologies for not being able to find
it online.)

However, given the generations of government educated masses since the Great Society (aka the above cited double dummies), such knowledge in America is as arcane as the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Truth to these people is only that which is recent, repeated, vocal, and preferably on an up volume video.  And truths no longer have to be remembered or recalled, since they will be supplied as needed with new ones tomorrow.

(As long argued here, those who know will understand that debt, and more importantly debt service, is the real threat to the country.  The rest is a sideshow as Niall Ferguson argues here in the 5oct13 WSJ.)

[6oct13 update]  Check out Russ Steele’s new blog Sierra Foothills Commentary.  In the latest edition Russ posts and important piece from The Daily Beast titled ‘California’s New Feudalism Benefits a Few at the Expense of the Multitude’ which makes the case that “once famous as a land of opportunity, the Golden State
is now awash in inequality, growing poverty, and downward mobility
that’s practically medieval,”  Everyone knows of California’s downfall, it is not limited to the intelligentsia, or to the US, but is common knowledge around the developed world.  People ascribe different reasons for our downfall, but the accepted wisdom is that California is in the toilet both economically and socially.

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214 responses to “Ruminations – 3oct13 (updated 6oct13)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    This dog fight on Capital hill is just getting started. There is that little issue of the debt ceiling in a vary short time. ( despite record tax revenue
    coming in by the train load.) Hunger games part II?
    What will “O” and Co. hold over the heads of the Conservatives for that?
    ” Give me more money, or else! I will not negotiate. There is just nothing
    left to cut”.
    Yes,, those words are coming.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I just returned from Ft. Bragg and I have to say, the state is still at work and the people are out and about. DC is not the center of the universe.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    It’s always been the Dems that have balanced the budget. The last BB was under Clinton who worked well with the Newt. Bush ran it up again by refunding surplus rather than paying down the deficit. Why should anyone trust that crowd to do the job.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 826pm – check out Chart 4.04: Federal Deficit 1900-2016
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/debt_deficit_history

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  5. Ryan Mount Avatar

    The Federal Budget is a function of both the President and the Congress working (or not working) together. So Reagan has Tip O’Neill to deal with, and Clinton had Newt Gingrich.
    The fact that the government is in a ~20% shutdown, is an expression of how our system works, and not how it is broken.
    The President proposes, but the Congress funds. There’s a distinct reason why Article 1 is about the Congress: it’s the money handler which enables every other part of our government.

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  6. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Guys, get your monkeys on the same script for goodness sake!
    Apparently you have a locked up Stutzman: “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
    I would suggest axle grease and a breaker bar.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Why should anyone trust the Pubbmeisters to balance the budget? Seems to me they are the problem not the solution.
    Dwight Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget.in 1956 and 1957. Since then, there have been two presidents to preside over balanced budgets, LBJ in 1969 and Clinton in 1998 through 2001. During the last 40 years there have been five budget surpluses, all five were under Democratic Presidents: 1969, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Paul @08:16
    Do you know how to read Excl Spreadsheets? Only 1999 and 2000 were suplusses acorsing to the link you gave:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist01z1.xls

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  9. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Paul,
    So the Congress has no role the budget process? News to me.

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    Guys, get your monkeys on the same script for goodness sake!
    Apparently you have a locked up Stutzman: “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
    I would suggest axle grease and a breaker bar.

    Yeah…that is pretty stupid..painfully stupid….and almost as stupid as the dem lawmaker inquiring as to whether the military was concerned that Guam might capsize if they added to the Marine Corps. presence there.
    More than enough stupid to go around in DC Michael.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    Ryan
    Bush inherited a budget surplus in 2000. The Republican Congress and President then ran up the credit card, and gave tax rebates while increasing the deficit. Try to blame that on the Demos.

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar

    Bush 2000
    “I hope you will join me in standing firmly on the side of the people. You see, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged and, on their behalf, I am here asking for a refund.”
    From there on out the Pub Presidency and Congress didn’t give a damn about the deficit .

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Dwight Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget.in 1956 and 1957. Since then, there have been two presidents to preside over balanced budgets, LBJ in 1969 and Clinton in 1998 through 2001. During the last 40 years there have been five budget surpluses, all five were under Democratic Presidents: 1969, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.

    Yeah….don’t those deck chairs look lovely….
    Since 1940 the debt trend has been either up or flat excepting a brief decline immediately following WWII. It really spiked in the early 1980’s when Reagan put the spurs to spending and dragged all those democrats kicking and screaming into appropriations committee meetings. It hasn’t stopped since and won’t until the rest of the world takes away the checkbook…..and that’s when it’s going to get interesting!

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  14. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Paul,
    I’m not blaming anyone in particular; I’m blaming everyone including the electorate.
    However more specifically, I’m blaming people who don’t understand how our government works and using that ignorance as a propaganda tool. Cooperation is not apart of the way we do things here. And there’s a very good and justifiable reason for that.
    But my bigger point is, the budgetary process is a dance (at best) between the Executive and the Legislative Branches. To say Clinton alone, for example, was responsible for a balance budget is as a really narrow conclusion as saying Reagan is responsible spending increases during Tip O’Neill’s Congress.
    That’s the point.
    To your assertion: Regarding the Bush II years up to 2006 I believe, that’s what we get when we stack the government with one party. What’s worse that a two party system? Answer: a one party system.
    Recommended reading: Articles 1 and 2 of the Constitution to see how we’re to handle gridlock. Hint: gridlock is built in and good for the country, even if it has short term consequences.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    PaulE, the stock market crapped 1 trillion bucks in one day after the 911 attacks. Though I too am unhappy with the subsequent spending, it is understandably in many ways. I blame them all. You seem to always kiss the arse of the dems and criticize the R’s. We know where your sympathies lie.

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  16. Walt B Avatar

    Paul… Which do you prefer better? Obamacare,,, or,, the “affordable care taxlaw”?

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  17. Ryan Mount Avatar

    I don’t want to dog pile I Paul here, because I suspect he’s as frustrated with our fiscal non-sense as much as anyone else. He (if I can be so presumptuous) verses my preference:
    Ryan: The only thing worse than a Republican, is a Democrat
    Paul: The only thing worse than a Democrat, is a Republican
    The net effect is the same Twiddledee and Tweedledum form of government. And I think gridlock would be something that us, well maybe not partisans, might agree on until we have a broader spectrum of representation.

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  18. Ryan Mount Avatar

    verses my preference:
    *[re]verses my preference:
    Sorry for the typo.

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 811am – This is a familiar barn. Recalling my high school civics, it is not the President who unilaterally sets financial policy (admittedly the current one thinks so), but Congress, which can even override the executive veto. I know that it’s simpler to think about the President doing everything in Washington. And wasn’t Nixon elected in 1968 and Bush2 in 2000? “Inherited a budget surplus” for the following fiscal year seems to be another myth – you either credit a President or not. But RussS’ 851am deserves your attention. Bottom line, as other commenters point out, Congress has a bit of role in generating and passing budgets.
    All of that, however, is beside the point. We have had a deficit spending policy for generations that is based on an ideology of the welfare state (corporate and private). I back the Repubs because they are the only ones who are pushing to reduce the national debt. The Dems only concern is about creating more poor who need ever more bread and circuses to guarantee a compliant constituency. They haven’t met a spending program or a tax increase initiative they don’t like.
    The real question is, ‘what should we do going forward?’

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  20. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    Our government in action under Obama’s leadership, relative to the shut down.
    “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

    This kind of action just energizes the Tea Party as they demand that the Republicans hold the line.
    Taking revenge on the citizens for his failed leadership in not world class.
    Read more: http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gm8rF6zV

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  21. Ryan Mount Avatar

    I back the Repubs because they are the only ones who are pushing to reduce the national debt.
    Which is Paul’s point, which I agree with and offered an analysis of why that was the case: single party control.
    “I back the Repubs because they are the only ones who until recently pushed are pushing to reduce the national debt.”
    IOW, as soon as their party’s head wasn’t President anymore and it was politically convenient. The fact of the matter is no party is immune to this obscene spending spree. Each of the two major parties are like left home teenagers with the liquor cabinent unlocked. The only stopping them is other party acting like a parent(which is a generous compliment to give a politician).
    The thing that keeps our Republic together is our sense of adversary, which is one of the Enlightenment tenants I would like to preserve.
    I heard someone whining on NPR this morning that we’re an embarrassment to the world. Obviously the person has a 10th grade education. The fact that our government is partially shutdown (NPR used the word “partially” for the first time), and we’re not in a civil war ala the TV show Jericho, means our system is strong and working properly; unlike the whiners out there.

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  22. Walt B Avatar

    There is a reason I asked Paul the previous question.
    Many an uninformed “person” thinks they are two different laws,
    not realizing the two terms are one in the same.
    They are for one,, but not the other. Yes…. These people vote too.

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  23. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Many an uninformed “person” thinks they are two different laws,
    Paul isn’t one those people.
    Gentlemen! More grist for the mill.
    We’re in the middle of a transition between the 5th party and the new, and yet to be defined 6th Party system. Conservatives will see this as the world coming apart, neo (non classical) Liberals will see this as opportunity to change things up.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    fish 1235pm – thank you for this link that adds to the mountain of evidence on the potential for the Great Divide. My concern continues that so many people are ignorant of this significant social rumbling in the underpinning of our Republic (examples of such people in these pages abound). Many of the so-afflicted even consider any discussion of this obvious phenomenon as clear evidence of treason. Was it also that way in 1850s?

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  25. fish Avatar
    fish

    Liberals will see this as opportunity to change things up.
    Indeed. Although that depends strongly on your definition of the political label “liberal”.

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  26. Ryan Mount Avatar

    Although that depends strongly on your definition of the political label “liberal”.
    I attempted to qualify that in my comments neo vs. classical. Neo in modern parlance means “Progressive” in my mind.

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar

    Can we agree on this , Clinton and Gingrich chose to pay down the deficit with over expected tax income and for practical purposes balanced the budget. Bush and the Pubber controlled congress chose to return the money to the taxpayer and ignored the deficit. That was a major part of his 2000 campaign and in such a razor close election might have won it for him.
    Obviously the deficit was not an important priority to the Bushers or the Republican controlled House.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar

    Walt asks:
    “Which do you prefer better? Obamacare,,, or,, the “affordable care taxlaw?”
    Good one. You saw that on the news as well. Really funny.
    Actually I prefer single payer anyway so I’d say neither

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  29. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, Bush II, having inherited a recession upon being sworn in that was only beginning to turn around when the World Trade Center towers were obliterated and about a trillion dollars vanished from the capital markets, was a born again Keynesian, as was just about everyone else. It wasn’t a time for austerity and I think you know those facts. Stop boxing and start thinking.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    As I recall Bush in a speech after the 911 murders did his best to ask Americans to go about their daily lives as calmly as possible. He also said we need not take out any frustrations on the Muslims and Americans did not. But as usual, all good things do not go unpunished by liberals. They always do what PaulE does and say nothing about the towers, the money lost in one day or Bush’s humanity. PaulE is just a liberal espousing lefty talking points from DailyKos. Oh and the liberal will supposedly protect a Sandra Fluke’s right to choose (using my money to buy her condoms) yet would leave 50 million women to the Taliban murdering scum. Amazing eh?

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  31. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul: Congress has the power of the purse. In 1998-2001, the budgets that gave a so-called surplus came from Republican congresses…after a shutdown (I might had) which caused Newt and Bill to negotiate and they did a great job lowering the deficits…but they did not lower any of the national debt at all.
    I know we talk about the Clinton “surplus” (could as easily be called the Gingrich “surplus”) but in reality the surplus is a math gimmick. We have not had a single Congress or president decrease the national debt during a congressional term since Roosevelt. Your surplus equals debt as a percentage of GDP…but we never paid down any debt in the Clinton years, but they (Bill and Newt) did do a good job reducing the deficit, because the cooperated and worked together.
    A good article to read about our current president.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/04/obama-needs-to-park-campaign-bus-and-lead/

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  32. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Also, Paul, I will agree with you in connection with Bush. He had the house, senate, the white house, and the Supreme Court, and what did he do? They tried to buy a majority (like the democrats) and lost their base. I have heard directly from friends in Congress that point blank told me that is what they were trying to do.
    We are in the midst of the Republican correction as we speak. The tea party did not rise out of Obama…the underpinings of the tea party began under Bush.

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  33. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Sorry, but I am on a roll today. Obama (like Clinton before him) has a real opportunity to be a hero by getting back to regular order and balancing a budget by working with Boehner and the Republicans in Congress. Only hyper-partisans will deny credit to Clinton and Gingrich for working together and getting our fiscal house in order. Obama has that opportunity staring him in the face, but instead of reaching across the aisle, he is trying to run the government like the mayor runs Chicago. The mayor can get away with anything so long as the buses are on time and the roads get plowed in Chicago. It just does not work that way in DC and failing to negotiate with people (like Clinton did) is not the answer.

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  34. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    I think that the Dems “failure to negotiate” comes from the House offering a false dichotomy. This is the propaganda technique whereby two choices, both bad, are offered and no matter which choice is made the benefit goes to those who made the offer. In this case the Dems were given the choice between caving in on healthcare the week (or less) before it was to be enacted (after 43 votes to overturn it including one by the pro-corporate Supreme Court which surprisingly failed) or suffer an embarrassing shutdown and be accused of “not negotiating.” Given that these were the only two choices available, the Dems chose the latter, letting the court of public opinion decide who is not negotiating with whom, especially considering that with regard to Obamacare there is no negotiating at this point. It is a done deal, the law of the land. The right’s new strategy is that if you can’t elect enough people to enact any laws of your own (because your views are too out of touch) then try and sabotage any laws the other guys pass just to make them look bad. In the case of Obamacare, a lot of speculation points to fear on the part of Republicans that once enacted the new healthcare law might prove more worthy than they have portrayed it making them look even worse than they already look. Smart move by the Dems, the Republican’s look more like fools and spoiled children every day.
    The problem is intra-party politics and a conflicted and divided Republican party with no real leadership. There are more than enough (18 needed with 21 saying yes) Republicans in the House who are willing to join the Democrats to pass a clean funding bill and open up the doors again. Rumors are circulating that Republican’s who support the clean bill are being threatened with retribution (in the form of primary election challenges) by the Tea Party faction that supports the shutdown. In the meantime the National Park Service alone is losing $450,000 a day in gate revenues alone. The damage to the economy has yet to be calculated and America is once again the laughing stock of the industrialized world. Way to go guys, ideology before sanity always scores big.

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  35. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    “Joe”: Last time I checked, Republicans won the Congress in the last two elections, and now Democrats have not elected enough people to pass their radical agenda. That coin has two sides.
    Over the past three years, the Democrat Senate not even allowed bills that passed the House to come up for a vote – including a budget. During this impasse, not only are Obama and the Senate refusing to negotiate, they have voted to not fund the VA, the national parks that you mentioned, NIH (why would Harry Reid want to save one child with cancer. It was not a big deal to fund the military, so why not the VA and national parks.
    This impasse has nothing to do with Obamacare at this point…it is going to lead to a budget on which the Senate will finally have to vote if they want the government to open.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I fail to see the choices as false when the budget of our country, all proposed 3.7 trillion dollars or, hell, what is that per capita? Is comprised of many parts yet now the demshits want to whine because they want to shove the whole thing down our throats as one bill, a CR. I think this strategy is fine. I sent my suggestions off to the leadership a while back that they should bifurcate and vote on ObamaCare funding separately. They are getting around to implementing my strategery.

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  37. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “Last time I checked, Republicans won the Congress in the last two elections,” The last time I checked the term Congress referred to both the House and the Senate. As the Republicans only control the House they do not have enough votes to put forth an agenda of their own because they cannot get anything past the Senate, not to mention the White House. Compromise as a bargaining method does not consist of one side making outlandish demands and expecting the opposition to make rational concessions based on those demands.. it is a two way street. How did the Republican party get nicknamed the “party of NO!” anyway? Was it from all of the concessions and compromises they made with the Democrats or was it from drawing absurd lines in the sand, as this episode points out, and then refusing to budge unless they get something in return?
    “Senate will finally have to vote if they want the government to open.” The House can vote right now to end the shutdown, the votes are their to end it if the leadership lets it hit the floor, so don’t blame it on the Senate and bill originated in the House.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Concerning the update, I find this selective closing of facilities rather distasteful.
    Maybe the Obamas should furlough their 100K/year dog walker or the full time White House projectionists that are on the ready 24/7 in case our President wants to watch a movie at 3am. Or cut the 20k helicopter ride to bring your pet to the the kids while on vacation. Did the dog really have to have its own helicopter flight?
    Better yet, lets close down the Interstate Highway System. The states only maintain the freeways, but the interstates are property of the Fed Government. Shut er down instead of a few websites. Its Federal property, a federal facility if you will. Keep them trespassers off Federal jurisdiction.
    Guess what irritates me is this attitude coming from our current President is somehow the Federal assets are private property of the Executive Branch. Sending goons to drive people off Federal Land is ass backwards.
    Hello! Mr President: You don’t own ANY Monument or Federal Building or forest or park or Statue of Layette or Lincoln. These things BELONG to the people. We the people. You are just getting free rent (no problem with that) in a abode that is owned by the people of The United States of America. The Interstate Highway System and bridges and buildings and the Jefferson Memorial were bought and paid for by the taxpayers of The United States of America. They ain’t YOUR toys. Look but don’t touch, Mr. President. You don’t own them. Shoot, you act like someone that has only signed his name on the back of a check and never on the front of a check.
    https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/995182_10151670198750911_1576087083_n.jpg

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  39. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    “Joe”: Who has voted no for the last week on every single spending bill that originated from the House (where spending bills Constitutionally begin? That would be the democrats in the Senate. Demanding a radical agenda of extreme deficits and debt into the future without any compromise is an untenable position over time. This is Obama swinging for the fences, because the last term ended before it started. The Senate can end the shutdown too through compromise with its opposition…that is how divided government works. This will end with a bigger compromise involving the budget and the debt limit, so in the end once the rhetoric stops, maybe we will see Obama finallly come to the table.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Did they close down the Mustang Ranch in SParks? Asl MichaelA maybe he knows. I am pretty sure the feds owned it, well maybe that was a few years ago. LOL!

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  41. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Todd, one of my friends once asked, “why do you insist on kicking a burlap sack full of retarded puppies?”
    He was talking about you, Todd. In this forum.
    In a sack. A puppy. Retarded.

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  42. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    “Who has voted no for the last week on every single spending bill that originated from the House (where spending bills Constitutionally begin? ”
    How can you expect the Dems to vote yes when, from their point of view, the bills contained absurd and extreme attachments? My point is that the whole thing is a PR ploy to attempt to make the Dems look bad. The Republicans new from the start that the Senate would never pass those bills, so in the meantime the country suffers because of the ploy. It’s all just political maneuvering to try and influence public opinion, not really get anything accomplished. It is no different than if I gave you the choice of cutting off your hand or your foot and if you choose neither then I will accuse you of not negotiating.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    MichaelA, I like puppies. Why would I kick a burlap bag full of your discarded animals?

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  44. Walt Avatar

    The ” Ranch” is back in private hands and turning a profit once again.
    Good call Todd, The government couldn’t even run a cat house, but somehow
    are believed to run our heath care system?
    I read today that in FL. the feds are trying to close open water
    IN THE OCIAN!! How stupid can one get?
    “O” and Co. are on a mission of spite at this point.
    ” Just because” something sits on FED land, they believe they can close it.
    They tried to close the home of Washington in Mt. Vernon, with no luck, so what did they do? Closed the parking lot, and bus turnaround.
    These are the actions of a tyrant. ” Just because he can”.
    “O” has been compromising with terrorists all over the Middle East,
    Puton rides in and saves “O” major embarrassment with his RED LINE drawn in watercolor.
    Now all of a sudden “O” grows a pair (balls) and ” will not negotiate”, yet demands everything he wants free and clear. He has nothing to lose. He has no skin in the game at this point. What will America do? Not elect him again?
    ( Don’t think he hasn’t thought about finding a way around that pesky two term limit deal… ” What? No one else is bound by that,,, why should I?”

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, I was wondering how it is possible for “we” the people to own the land and yet be forbidden from using it? Or even looking at it? I think the Founders would be confused about how DC/Executive Branch came to be Idi Amin?

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    I draw your kind attention to the 5oct13 update of this post.

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