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George Rebane

The nation’s insanity continues unabated.  According to the Chicago Fox affiliate (you maybe expected a lamestream outlet?) a group of illegal aliens are on a hunger strike protesting that they haven’t been put on the list for government subsidized organ transplants.  Instead of a quick ticket back to Mexico – they are Mexican nationals – we are now going through a gasping ‘what to do, what to do?’ ordeal.  Why? well, the organ transplant protocols at certain hospitals don’t include a codicil about whether to qualify for a transplant you need to be an American, or at least a legal resident.  Whoda thunk?

The question for our morally superior progressives is moot; their answer being ‘Damn straight, do the transplant and have the US taxpayer foot the bill.  These people are also contributing to America.’  For the rest of us, the answer is to shell out for a ticket back to their homeland where the Mexican government can deal with their grievances.  These aliens even use the progressive-approved argument that resonates with the dufus parade – “local hospitals are discriminating against immigrants here illegally.”  Lord, I hope so. 

ChicagoGangViolenceMeanwhile elsewhere in the Windy City, where else, five people were shot in a gang war ambush in front of a church serving meals to the needy on a street that is identified and maintained as a ‘Safe Passage’ way for kids to get between home and school (more here).  The street is manned by over 600 good-hearted, ‘trained volunteers’ to make sure the kids make it through there alive.  Of course, there is not a slingshot to be had between all these volunteers, and the gangs don’t give a big rat’s ass about safe passage streets.  They know that until the cops get there, they rule.  And they also know – courtesy of the specter of Chapter 9 – that the thin blue line is getting thinner by the day.  But Chicago’s job one is to keep guns from the hands of law abiding citizens while prohibiting the police from conducting those oh so racial search, question, and frisk exercises.  And according to established custom, nobody demonstrated to protest these daily shootings.  You see, it don’t matter none if you shoot those po’ black folk, as long as yo’s not a racist.  Progressive government in peace and war. 

(Coda – consider all hot buttons pushed.)

[21aug13 update]  The record wouldn’t be complete without noting the most recent murder of a white athlete by three blacks in Oklahoma.  The ‘just for fun’ drive-by killing of the Australian baseball player occurred on a country road near the town of Duncan (more here).  No screaming headlines.  No charges of racism.  No mass demonstrations by whites across the country.  Same ol’ same ol’.

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133 responses to “Ruminations – 20aug13 (updated 21aug13)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The organ transplant protocol is clearly defined. A panel decides who gets one and who doesn’t. Knew a guy who was a former junkie. Never really held a job in his entire life. He has passed on. Lived in GV in Section 8 housing, drew disability (got Hep C from a blood transfusion after being stabbed back in the day) before Aids made them test the blood. Paid like 90 bucks a month rent forever, give or take. His wife was a professional student who kept getting school grants well into her mid 50’s. Right before she was to graduate, she would change majors and start to money train over again. She also got paid by the state for in-home care of her own husband. Finally took in niece and got 600 more clams a month for “foster care”.
    I could not continue my friendship with him or his wife because it bothered me so much after he asked me if he could stash (hide) his new Harley at my place. Drove nice cars as well. He was ok, but his rants when welfare reform was happening about “THEY HAVE TO give you this and that. Both thought welfare reform would never never happen and it should be illegal. She took a grant writing class at American River College and taught all the welfare mothers over at the complex how to get more money forever and ever, amen.
    So, my friend needed a kidney transplant. Trouble was the anesthesia needed would kill his bad heart. Oh, they kept him on the list until the day he died, but after his first review for a transplant, he confided in me that “they might as well have given him a bullet”.
    The point is the review panel looks at one’s life in its entirety before the transplant and guesstimate what kind of life will the recipient of the transplant have after his/her operation. The waiting list is long. Are you a hard working stiff with a young family and will continue to be an asset to society after the transplant? Or, are you an aging doper who will continue in self destructive ways after the transplant?
    Yes, its like playing God for the docs. But the list is long and the organs should go first to those who will continue to be productive members of society as they were before their need for a transplant.
    Had a next door neighbor once that also needed a transplant. They told her to give up smoking. She refused and got hooked on pain meds. The meat wagon hauled her off one night as she overdosed on pain meds and I saw her earlier in the day still smoking.
    I thought them libs have scolded us that Mexico has such great health care. Heck, thousands of Americans cross the border daily to get cheaper meds and make their SS checks stretch. So, somebody shits on our country by breaking our laws entering here and then screams bloody murder that they don’t get what they want when they want.
    Hey illegals of all races, creeds and national origins: Get the hell out of my country and come back legally like millions of immigrants have done before you. Like my grand pappy did and my mother’s great grand pappy did. I don’t care if you get all butt hurt. Mexico has fine health care per every lib who has posted here.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Can you tell me what point you are trying to make in your 21aug13 update. It seems you are using an anecdote to make some kind of point, which according to earlier postings by you is a decidedly Liberal trait.

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  3. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    cluck, cluck, cluck — conservatarians are good progressives are evil — cluck cluck cluck — the sky is falling and it’s ll their fault.. cluck cluck cluck — so what else is new?

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1108am – Actually I’m using three anecdotes to confirm the ongoing thesis on RR that our progressive(ly) promoted politically correct attitudes are both insane and societally dysfunctional.
    JoeK 1109am – Yeah Joe, while I wouldn’t use the word ‘evil’ to generally describe the promotion of progressive policies, unless, of course, their purveyor is doing it knowing that it will hurt the country. I have seen no evidence that you are evil. Nevertheless, for better or worse, the collectivist/conservetarian dialectic is an enduring theme, not only on these pages but all over America (and the world?).
    We are both attempting to convince the yet-to-be-convinced that our respective nostrums are the most beneficial to humankind. And that becomes evermore important as the proportion of oblivians among us increases.
    http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/08/21/act-scores-fall-lowest-level-five-years

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  5. Walt Avatar

    Great read Bill, and So true. Yes,, there is even a professional deadbeat or two
    in my clan. I don’t speak to them either.
    There was a small discussion a while back on the IRS, and who gets non profit status.
    Well.. “O”‘s Brother happens to run the finances for the Muslim brohood. And low and behold,
    that Lois Lerner signed the tax exempt papers for the “group”.
    No wonder “O” has sided with the enemy. You know,, back when he demanded Egypt give the Brohood
    another chance?
    How long will we allow these ” high crimes and misdemeanors” to continue to be played upon this great nation?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think the driver is white in the murder for fun by the two black teens. My guess is the race hustlers will be making sure the system of oppression by the criminal justice system, contrived by the white power structure, will be “fair” to the killers. Also, my guess is these killers will be released by the age of 25.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar

    So George what is the difference in your use of antedotes to press an argument and my use of antedotes as living examples of health care problems.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1213pm – I use anecdotes to illustrate a previously defined and expanded general principle or ideological tenet which fill these pages. To my knowledge, you have yet to share tenet #1 from your ideology and resort exclusively to what I have here cited as ‘issues activism’ (defined by a progressive academic in lamenting the intellectual wasteland of expressed progressivism) that rests on nothing but anecdotal illustrations void of principle.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/03/-the-liberal-mind-yes-virginia-we-really-are-different.html
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/08/the-liberals-intellectually-baseless-ideology.html
    Were it not so, we could be debating the relative merits of ideologies which underpin our assessments of public policies. Oh well.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ 1145am – It was reported (can’t find it) that the driver was a mulatto, which by today’s racial norms makes him a ‘black’, as per ‘our first black president’. This is corroborated by the picture of the lad in the link I provided. But, agreeing with you, I don’t think resolving this question is a hill worth dying on.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    What an arrogant and desperate response to my query. To clarify things before I respond in detail you believe that my view on health care problems are “void of principle” therefore any examples of human suffering that I use are not valid.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    rewritten for clarity:
    To clarify things before I respond in detail I want you confirm that you believe my views on health care problems are “void of principle” therefore any examples of human suffering that I use are not valid.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 109pm – “arrogant”, “desperate”, wow! And here I thought that my response was clear, complete, and concise. Apparently you did not read the citations that expand my answer. Such different worlds.
    But yes, until you FIRST supply the principle behind the illustrating anecdote, the anecdote is indeed void of principle, and will so languish until the supporting principle is revealed. Until then, you are doing nothing but emoting and inviting, nay, insisting that your listener share your emotional basis for the policy you are promoting.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here we go
    My principal is that
    I am my brothers keeper.
    what more do you need and what is your contrast to that?

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here is a useful definition of moral principles
    They represents a set of values that orient and rule the conduct of a concrete society. The law establishes an obligation in the individual’s conscience that belongs to the cultural field in which such values are accepted.

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  15. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Hey Todd.. aren’t you being a little too judgmental? Maybe the perps had a grandfather who was dragged out of their house and lynched for looking at a white woman.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 130pm – That little homily is hard to accept as an ideological principle, since demonstrably you are not your brother’s keeper. One can identify billions of brothers that you do not in any sense ‘keep’.
    Your 151pm quote is extracted perhaps out of some unknown context. Laws don’t establish any obligations that are in the moral conscience of an individual. Laws only establish behavioral mandates through force, which mandates are moot on morals. In short, moral values don’t need to be enforced by the gun.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    They represents a set of values that orient and rule the conduct of a concrete society. The law establishes an obligation in the individual’s conscience that belongs to the cultural field in which such values are accepted.
    Is this your own or are you “copying someone else homework” again?

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar

    Fish
    It’s from Websters Dictionary, printed version, where most definations are found.
    George, this is a defination of moral principals that don’t have anything to do with law.
    My belief that we are our brothers keeper is a personal value that I try to extend to my actions in life. Do you have a problem with that?

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 328pm – No problem at all with your attempts “to extend (such) actions in life.” But a big problem with your trying to pass this off as an operational tenet of an ideology upon which formalized public policy is made (ie laws, regulations, codes, …). And, of course, the cited definition has everything to do with “the law” since it uses it as part of the definition.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Joe Koyote | 21 August 2013 at 02:37 PM
    Not Judgmental Joejust realistic. You have a problem with that?
    PaulE, I think the use of “brothers keepers” may have been from a religious sect? Aren’t you mixing church and state? Please tell us how a person helping their brother gets translated by you into higher confiscations of my money by government to give to others not related to me? Also, if you are true to your arrogant musings here (that you are better than us because you say so through this phony emotional tripe) then how come you don’t list your tax returns for all to see how much you gave in “charitable money”?
    You libs make assumptions that are just bogus about the term “charity” or “brothers keepers”. If you want to show us your compassionate giving to others, then list it here and shut us up and send us to our room. If not I will put you in the Joe Biden and Clinton underwear write-offs as a good example of a “compassionate” lib.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    You are so unpoetic. You know what I’m talking about. Of course “brothers keeper” is not a literal truth but more what I strive for in my life and what I feel is my obligation in living a rightous life.
    Todd
    You’re an dork and don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. All you want to do is argue.
    George
    I defer to Thomas Paine ( Agrarian Justice) thanks to Ben Emery, on the responsibilities of our culture to be their “brothers keeper”.
    “There are, in every country, some magnificent charities established by individuals. It is, however, but little that any individual can do, when the whole extent of the misery to be relieved is considered. He may satisfy his conscience, but not his heart. He may give all that he has, and that all will relieve but little. It is only by organizing civilization upon such principles as to act like a system of pulleys, that the whole weight of misery can be removed.
    The plan here proposed will reach the whole. It will immediately relieve and take out of view three classes of wretchedness-the blind, the lame, and the aged poor; and it will furnish the rising generation with means to prevent their becoming poor; and it will do this without deranging or interfering with any national measures.
    To show that this will be the case, it is sufficient to observe that the operation and effect of the plan will, in all cases, be the same as if every individual were voluntarily to make his will and dispose of his property in the manner here proposed.
    But it is justice, and not charity, that is the principle of the plan. In all great cases it is necessary to have a principle more universally active than charity; and, with respect to justice, it ought not to be left to the choice of detached individuals whether they will do justice or not. Considering, then, the plan on the ground of justice, it ought to be the act of the whole growing spontaneously out of the principles of the revolution, and the reputation of it ought to be national and not individual.”

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  22. Al Avatar
    Al

    Thomas Paine was a useful plagiaristic Pommy and white.
    To see my man crush Uncle George out-there currently advocating our Rights and our Republic’s Contract go to:
    http://www.nevadacountytv.org/pages/node/82
    Thence enter – Breaking Bread – in the Search Bar.
    You will see His contributions to the program “Breaking Bread” in Epsodes #1, 2 and 4. Tis awesome.
    Cudos, too, to da blog gang (the infamous “four or five”) for your reasoned efforts .

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  23. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 455pm – Then I was right, your ‘brother’s keeper’ copy was not an ideological tenet, even for you (so what was the righteous indignation of your 109pm about?). Which brings us back to square one – your emotional anecdotes are still void of any operating principle that supports critical thinking for making public policy. But then again, that limitation only applies to reasonable people.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, au contraire, I know exactly what I am talking about. You inability to put yur money where your mouth is is evident in the “brothers keeprs” straw man you are trying to foist. But as usual, you never answer our questions. PaulE we have you down pat, you are a joke here man.

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  25. Al Avatar
    Al

    To see Uncle George out-there advocating our Rights and our Republic’s Contract go to:
    http://www.nevadacountytv.org/pages/node/82
    Thence enter – Breaking Bread – in the Search Bar.
    You will see His contributions to the program Breaking Bread in Epsodes #1, 2 and 4.
    Cudos, too, to da blog gang (the infamous “four or five”) for your reasoned efforts .

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    Oh now it’s “operating” principle. You’re going sideways on me George. I was referring to moral principle which is the basis for any “operating ” principle being enacted.I know this is getting a little squishy for you but it what happens when you state that only so called Conservatives have the ability to use anecdotes in discussions because the opposition lacks principles.
    So for the purposes of continuing let me simplify this by quoting Thomas Paine, who you chose to ignore, who lays out the justification for action beyond charity in the case of lameness, blindness and wretched poverty situations that he described in my post of 4:33.
    “It is, however, but little that any individual can do, when the whole extent of the misery to be relieved is considered. He may satisfy his conscience, but not his heart. He may give all that he has, and that all will relieve but little. It is only by organizing civilization upon such principles as to act like a system of pulleys, that the whole weight of misery can be removed…..
    But it is justice, and not charity, that is the principle of the plan. In all great cases it is necessary to have a principle more universally active than charity; and, with respect to justice, it ought not to be left to the choice of detached individuals whether they will do justice or not………”

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    It’s from Websters Dictionary, printed version, where most definations (sic) are found.
    Funny…I’m looking at Websters right now…morality play, moralize (an Emery specialty), moral philosophy…..morass…..no, that’s not it.hmmm, nothing about “moral principles. Yo Paulie….I can put up with the lectures! But why tell lies?

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 634pm – It has always been a principle upon which people can operate – viz make public policy. The “squishy” stuff progressives (of both parties) push leads to the kinds of policies we have now, no reasonable support in sight, only the demagoguery of anecdotes that work on uninformed emotions.
    And I have no idea what your quotes of Paine are supposed to suggest. If you think it’s his support for increased government involvement, you’re quite mistaken. All he says is that working together is more effective than “detached individuals” working alone. But only to the progressive mind does collective action restrict itself to more government. The other ways are many, and I leave them for the reader to discover for himself.

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  29. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    I have the same basic ethos as Paul. The problem becomes two-fold. First – Paul believes he has the right to use my money for his ‘deeply held principles.’ (God forbid he would use his) But I don’t have the same right. Why? Possibly he feels more righteous or moral than me, I’ll let him explain that. Numero two-oh – My definition of being ‘my brothers keeper’ is clearly different than his, but his trumps mine, because again, he is more righteous or moral or just superior in some way than I.
    “lameness, blindness and wretched poverty” Paul might want to update his almanac since the time of Mr. T. Paine. We have a record number of folks on food stamps and they are certainly not, for an overwhelming majority, anything close to what Paine describes. There are folks suffering, Paul. They followed the left-wing, progressive dream and it ends up at the welfare office. I feel badly for them, but they, along with the ones that encouraged that life-style will not listen. “Don’t go near the cliff” signs are ridiculed as worthless by the left. And the lemmings continue to fall to their deaths. And the ones posting the warnings are blamed for their demise. We are actually accused of ‘attacking’ them for trying to warn them. But they know better. That’s what I hear them say as they stand in line demanding that I feed, clothe and house them with material goods that even I can’t afford.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    ToddJ – you were right, the third youth (driver) is reported to be white.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    They will have to indeed do that discovery themselves because this forum is no help. In my view this quote by Paine is enough to show he supports collective action to solve problems of lameness, blindness and extreme poverty and recognizes that charity alone cannot achieve that goal, something I believe about health care.
    Fish Who cares but you. It’s in my printed version under principles, it’s a big book circa 1959.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar

    Scott
    Should I have the right to withhold my tax contributions that go to unconstitutional unnecessary and in my view unmoral wars? Does a pacifist have the right to not pay taxes on military spending? Does a vegetarian have the right to not pay taxes that support meat production? I can go on and on.

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  33. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, I think I see your cognitive intestinal blockage… when Paine was speaking of collective action, he wasn’t promoting a strong central Federal government with god given dictatorial powers to coerce the collective action. That’s what he was fighting against.

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  34. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Well Paul, you could go on and on, but social spending is way ahead of military spending and the money spent on social programs is demonstrably harmful to the general population. According to the left, poverty is increasing. Clearly, throwing money at poor folks ain’t doing the job. Education funding is going up as student test scores go down. Also – I don’t believe I have ever advocated for ‘immoral wars’. You are making a straw man argument.
    Why don’t we try production of goods as a means of wealth increase and a free market where folks can decide where to spend their money? You will still have to support the military as it’s a Constitutional requirement. Food stamps are not. You are quite free to work with others to ‘collectively’ feed the hungry. It’s done all the time over at the food bank. The vast majority of Americans who are takers are not blind, crippled or unable to work, Paul. They just don’t want to work. And it doesn’t help matters that the govt interferes with companies that would like to hire. The govt is making it increasingly hard for small companies to hire and retain employees. Our GDP absent the govt portion is falling. We can not keep printing money and handing it out. We have to get to work.

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Who cares but you. It’s in my printed version under principles, it’s a big book circa 1959.
    Oh I don’t know….maybe those who you come here to debate against. I’ll check the 1959 version….assuming I can find it….if it is as you say an apology will be issued.

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  36. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1019pm – You misread Paine. He was talking about the shortcomings of individual charity not collective charity, the modes of which have been extensively covered in this forum. Unfortunately progressives cannot avail themselves to such alternatives and are therefore blind to them.
    With the daily unraveling of Obamacare, I presume that even you are beginning to have doubts about the future of America’s healthcare under that disastrous legislation. I do know that you and Harry are really pining for ‘single payer’, but that is not the bamboozle now foisted on the nation.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Scott makes a excellent set of points about the economy and how things are in reverse under all these liberal policies and laws. I received the latest Sierra College catalog of classes and just finished reading through it. It seems to me it is a prime example of the demise of our country.
    Rather than teaching the skills needed to get a job and help pay our way as citizens, the catalog has quite a number of dancing classes, basket weaving and other artsy classes. There are many types of classes that are totally superfluous to getting the country back on track. I am sure the Russians and Chinese are guffawing at us as they read these catalogs and see where America’s priorities are.
    As they train and teach engineers and scientists, we are teaching our people to Salsa dance. This is all done with the hundreds of billions of our “education” dollars. My guess is there is no response from liberals who like to dance.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar

    George
    You’re wrong about Paine on this. If you read his essay you will find this methodology for payment to aid the unfortunates he described. Notice the use of the word SHALL:
    “II. The law shall fix the manner in which the property of deceased persons shall be ascertained.
    III. When the amount of the property of any deceased persons shall be ascertained, the principal heir to that property, or the eldest of the co-heirs, if of lawful age, or if under age, the person authorized by the ill of the deceased to represent him or them, shall give bond to the commissioners of the canton to pay the said tenth part thereof in four equal quarterly payments, within the space of one year or sooner, at the choice of the payers. One-half of the whole property shall remain as a security until the bond be paid off.
    IV. The bond shall be registered in the office of the commissioners of the canton, and the original bonds shall be deposited in the national bank at Paris. The bank shall publish every quarter of a year the amount of the bonds in its possession, and also the bonds that shall have been paid off, or what parts thereof, since the last quarterly publication.
    The national bank shall issue bank notes upon the security of the bonds in its possession. The notes so issued, shall be applied to pay the pensions of aged persons, and the compensations to persons arriving at twenty-one years of age. It is both reasonable and generous to suppose, that persons not under immediate necessity, will suspend their right of drawing on the fund, until it acquire, as it will do, a greater degree of ability. In this case, it is proposed, that an honorary register be kept, in each canton, of the names of the persons thus suspending that right, at least during the present war.
    http://www.constitution.org/tp/agjustice.htm

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  39. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Todd– if you are talking about the same catalogue that I received in the mail, then you are NOT referring to the normal schedule of classes for students, that is on-line. The catalogue I think you are referring to is Sierra’s version of adult education. Those classes are not part of the normal class offerings, and are mostly taught by non-regularly employed instructors, but by community members at large. The classes are usually on a fee basis that goes to the instructor not the school. They are considered “enrichment” classes and that is why the mostly art stuff.. as well as how to do business startups, how to put together a non-profit.. and so on. You are confusing two separate entities.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I am not confusing anything since these are catalogs from our Sierra College. Who pays for the facilities? How about the instructors liabilities? These classes are under the auspices of the District. I once dated a instructor who fulled me in on these things. I know what I am talking about.

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  41. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Are you referring to the catalogue called Kaleidoscope? Yes they are classes under the auspices of Sierra, but they are not considered part of the regular academic course offerings. The instructors propose these “for fee” classes and if accepted the school takes a cut of the fees. You could teach a class on building if you wanted.

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  42. Gregory Avatar

    Paul 10:39
    That proposal of Paine’s was for France as something that fit their needs once their Revolution was over.

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  43. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Todd: I received the latest Sierra College catalog of classes and just finished reading through it. It seems to me it is a prime example of the demise of our country.
    Rather than teaching the skills needed to get a job and help pay our way as citizens, the catalog has quite a number of dancing classes, basket weaving and other artsy classes. There are many types of classes that are totally superfluous to getting the country back on track.
    If you want to find academic classes go to the college website and click on “class schedule”

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  44. Walt Avatar

    On the subject of the low life “thrill killers”,
    I have yet to read one peep anywhere of where these underage
    thugs got their guns. They shot the man with a .22 pistol.(from what I can find) There are photos and videos of a long rifle. Again. How and where did they acquire them?
    I guess only guns used in self defense and in a White man’s hands
    does the issue come up.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    Gregory
    Thanks for actually reading the link, something few in this forum bother to do. Yes, it does refer to France as the current example however his view is that it should be applied to a all so called “civilized” nations. He does indeed refer to it as a right
    “In advocating the case of the persons thus dispossessed, it is a right, and not a charity, that I am pleading for. “

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    JoeK, it is all under the Sierra College District. Taxpayers paid for this.

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  47. Joe Koyote Avatar
    Joe Koyote

    Todd: Taxpayers aren’t paying for this. The college makes money doing this. The same with the Ghidotti high school. These are non-transferable non-academic courses offered as “enrichment” courses. The artsy courses are largely, but not exclusively for retired people. There are many skill related course offerings in that catalogue as well, from software training to start your own business classes. The point you were trying to make was “Rather than teaching the skills needed to get a job and help pay our way as citizens, the catalog has quite a number of dancing classes, basket weaving and other artsy classes. There are many types of classes that are totally superfluous”.. which didn’t accurately reflect the actual situation. The college still offers most of the same courses it always has, although many fewer classes thanks to budget cuts. The community education side about which you based your comments are only a small part of the total courses at Sierra. You are making false assumptions based on cherry picked and incomplete information. Having once dated an instructor who “fulled” you isn’t going to get you off the hook.

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  48. Gregory Avatar

    Paul, Paine, perhaps the most firmly rooted in idealism of the Revolutionary writers, lost touch with Common Sense spending so much time in France during its bloody revolution. Please note, in his plan for France, that he expected those who did not need the stipend (generated by his new inheritance tax) to not request it.
    He was as deluded. Tragically, the Commons doesn’t work that way.

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  49. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    OK JoeK, show us your facts about the money. How much is run through the SC budget? Give us your facts and not your hyperbole. Numbers please.

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