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Living in Obamastan – what’s not to like?

13 May 2013

George Rebane

What was foretold has come to pass, he has delivered with a vengeance and a promise of more to come.

1.    Benghazi – ineptness, tragedy, cover-up, lies, demonstration of weakness, …
2.    Syria – inattention, ineptness, tragedy, loss of prestige and confidence, …
3.    Obamacare – national healthcare and economic disaster, ultimate partisanship, ineptness, uncertainty, lies about implementation, effect, costs, …
4.    Iran – ineptness, uncertain ally to mid-east friends, meaningless ‘red lines’, invitation to war, Islam’s war on west promoted, …
5.    Iraq – inept withdrawal, total loss of influence, waste of sacrifices made, bolster Iran
6.    Afghanistan – confusion, withdrawal guaranteed to leave region unstable, wasted sacrifices, Taliban will triumph, …
7.    North Africa – Al Qaida expands and triumphant, no clear policy, leading from behind in the wrong direction, relinquishing an entire continent, …
8.    IRS politicized – responsive weapon to target opposition groups, institutions, and individuals, agency radicalized, cover-up, lies, …
9.    EPA – rogue agency, congressional bypass, executive hammer, economic brake, fear in the land, uncertainty, disastrous impediments to a beneficient national energy policy, …
10.    Immigration reform – borders remain porous, amnesty, Democrat voter fast track, Reconquista, …
11.    US Economy – on permanent slow track, regulatory hell, uncertainty, inept/perfidious economic policy, systemic unemployment growth, constructive nationalization of business and industry, …
12.    American culture – in last stages of destruction, war on Christianity and European heritage, massive loss of freedoms, replaced by growing mass of government regulations, education system propagandized, class warfare ignited, …
13.    Fundamental Transformation of America – Agenda 21 provisions adopted while denied, military being castrated, intelligence/security apparatus remains stovepiped and compromised to combat homeland terror, government arming to combat Americans, goal to become a compliant peer member of the new global order, progress to mediocrity is on track.

This list is incomplete.

Posted in Agenda 21, Critical Thinking & Numeracy, Current Affairs, Our Country, Our World, We the iSheeple

112 responses to “Living in Obamastan – what’s not to like?”

Paul Emery

14 May 2013

Sure George
This is from 10:37 PM
“But as a citizen taxpayer who did not vote for that dipstick, I am perfectly able to criticize and offer alternatives which may or not hold water”
Give it a go George. I’m interested in your “alternatives” to Obama’s policy in Afghanistan, Also Iraq, Iran and Syria.

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Michael Anderson

15 May 2013

“But such notions have continued to escape both liberals and libertarians.”
But of course, only the “conservetarians” have it right. It is to laugh.
I will echo Paul’s question about Iraq, Iran, and Syria. What to do? At this point, I am almost in favor of providing the region with enough arms, over a sufficient amount of time, that they nullify themselves.
Thoughts?

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George Rebane

15 May 2013

MichaelA 118am – Not at all; such notions have been embraced by enough Repubs and Dems to maintain our ability to project power worldwide since WW2. Only the pro-globalist left and orthodox libertarians oppose our continued role as a world hegemon.
What should we do about Syria, Iran, and Iraq? To try to give glib one or two sentence answers in this comment stream will do nothing to advance anyone’s understanding and just give rise to sharp shots and snark. It appears that you and PaulE seem to agree on the protocol that no one can criticize an obviously dysfunctional policy without concurrently offering a thought out alternative that satisfies someone’s unknown utility.
I’m prepared to explore mid-east alternatives on RR, but only if there is any interest to proceed in a reasonable and reasoned manner. Past attempt to do that with our progressive readers have failed miserably – formulating an alternative to Obamacare comes to mind.

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Walt

15 May 2013

Holder is holding out once again. How many times did he use the words
” it’s still under investigation”? That’s LIB speak for “I’m taking the 5TH, and not going to answer that.”
So life is going to be rough for those LIBS running for re election
in the mid terms. So good luck DEMS if you can manage to keep any.
There area few Dems that believe that what “O” and Co. have been up too
is a non story. Then remember that when Conservatives are back in power.
Then you have no gripe.

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Paul Emery

15 May 2013

That’s nothing compared to the millions of emails that disappeared when the Bushers were under attack for lying about the Valerie Plame disclosure
“Missing e-mails included messages sent by the office of Vice President Dick”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/cheney“>Dick Cheney that were later sought by the Justice Department as part of its investigation into the disclosure of Valerie Plame’s identity as a covert CIA spy and messages from the months preceding the start of the Iraq war.”

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Paul Emery

15 May 2013

Active link
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/08/new_report_details_loss_of_bus.html
By the way Walt, Hillary is a lock for ’16. Sente? Who knows. Scandal irritates people and doesn’t move votes. Look at Bush l after Iran Contra. Elected no problem. Now that was a real scandal

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Walt

15 May 2013

I think your old enough Paul to remember Watergate, and all the fun about some erased tapes, and using the IRS for political gain. “O”‘s administration knew about this from day one.
Wouldn’t it be grand if emails getting deleted would come into play?
But we do have fake email accounts in the EPA, Sheila Jackson quit and ran for cover. But all the heads have yet to role at the EPA.
Then Benghazi.. Just where in Hell was “O”? Hiding under his desk?
No one has yet to be held accountable for a certain occupant of a new grave
right here in this county. Some of us still demand answers. Nope, This isn’t going away like “O” hopes it will.
If you think the LIB press is going to let the secret rectal exam from Holder and the boys go un answered,, lol!
I do believe LIBS will be kicked to the curb in the mid terms.
But GOD help them if something new rears it’s ugly head.
It’s been a real tough week for poor Jay the Carney, and it’s only Wed.
I don’t think “O”‘s vary own Bagdad Bob could handle anymore butt covering
for “O”.

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George Rebane

15 May 2013

It is more than extremely revealing that Iran-Contra (alleged gun running to combat a communist foothold in Central America) is considered by progressives to be a much more serious threat to our Republic than the IRS being used by the administration to shut down political opposition.

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Todd Juvinall

15 May 2013

I new a local man who was a person actually in the Iran Contra as a liaison to the contras. He was a fervent anti communist and to this day, if the babe from Nicaraguan was not boinking Dodd from Connecticut, we would have been able to send money to those brave fellows.

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Paul Emery

15 May 2013

Walt
There was a bureaucratic battle going on between Nixon and the FBI with carefully orchestrated press leaks from Mark Felt (deep throat) . That’s what brought Nixon down and allowed him to twist slowly, slowly in the wind.
J Edgar probably set the wheels in motion because he hated Nixon and did not trust him. He died before he could enjoy the fruits of his labor. The F.B.I. had always done the president’s bidding — until J. Edgar Hoover said he would not carry out the president’s dirty tricks. Then the F.B.I. took Nixon down. I suggest you read Tim Weiner’s “Enemies: A History of the F.B.I.”
George, when you tie the IRS debacle to Obama with facts let me know. As of now it’s just speculation. Iran Contra is historical fact.

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Ben Emery

15 May 2013

If the accusations are true about Tea Party and the IRS, I say welcome to the party of activism. Anybody who challenges the status quo and the establishment gets targeted. Despite regurgitating the extremely wealthy talking points of no taxes, no regulations, and free markets the Tea Party has challenged the establishment of the Republican Party and it has created a great divide in the party. I love it and support the Tea Party’s challenging the establishment leadership of the Republican Party but very much disagree with the solutions they propose.
Left leaning groups have been the target of US government, agencies, and IRS for decades, welcome to the club. I will leave you all with a poem that rings true for the Tea Party with the IRS accusations. I will oppose these actions by the IRS to target any group because of political activity, I just wish we would have had the same treatment from the right.
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

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Bill Tozer

15 May 2013

I was all for sending arms to the Contras but my lawyer wanted an arm and a leg.

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Ben Emery

15 May 2013

Anybody who participated in the Iran Contra ordeal is complicit in crimes against humanity.
Iran Contra was atrocious and continued the disintegration of the idea of a constitutional limited government. It has only gone down hill since. Reagan, Bush II, and now the Obama administration have pissed and are pissing on the foundation of our federal government.

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George Rebane

15 May 2013

Last I heard the IRS is an agency of the executive branch that is always part and parcel of the currently elected/appointed administration.

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Paul Emery

15 May 2013

Yes George and Reagan claimed he knew nothing about Casper Weinberger and Iran Contra. Do you believe him?

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George Rebane

15 May 2013

PaulE 1015pm – Have no idea what you are talking about that relates to the Obamagate that is now unfolding and expanding. The discussion here is about the ‘now’ and not about the ‘then’ which you always bring up to try and deflect the current corruption in government. As I’ve said many times before, you seem to always be arguing that today’s sleaze is justifiable retribution for what happened yesterday, and therefore should not be brought up or criticized. There is another blog hereabouts whose silence on Obamagate would no doubt give you great comfort.

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Paul Emery

15 May 2013

And speaking of lying sleaze bags how about Attorney General Edwin Meese aka the shredder who took it upon himself to shread as much incriminating evidence during Iran Contra as he could find. I’m by no means an Eric Holder fan and I hope he quits or is fired but really he’s pretty small time compared to good old Edwin. Actually the lineage is pretty scummy including Janet Reno, Meese, Ashcroft (now there’s a gem of a human being no details needed}, Alberto Gonzales, ask the Tillman family about justice and now Holder. What a crew makes me proud to be an American.

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Ben Emery

16 May 2013

George,
To chime in on your 15 May 2013 at 10:23 PM comment. It is never ok to be silent when the public or private sector is doing something wrong. What I am reading from Paul is the silence or lack of acknowledgment of how corrupt and seedy so called “conservatives” have been in the past and present. It isn’t about teams it is about people having some say in their lives whether it be through private or public sectors.

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Todd Juvinall

16 May 2013

Why is it PaulE and BenE don’t use terms like “sleazeball” as they call republicans when they talk about liberals and democrats? Curious.

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Joe Koyote

16 May 2013

Todd, why don’t you use terms like “moron” to describe Republican morons like Todd Akin, when you call virtually all Democrats morons of the moron party? Does the term hypocrite mean anything to you?

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Ben Emery

16 May 2013

Todd,
Can you point to where I call anyone sleazeball? I call so called “liberal” politicians or business people corrupt, disgusting, immoral, war criminal, ect… all the time. Just as I do so called “conservative” politicians or business people. Not being a hypocrite must sound very foreign to you.

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Paul Emery

16 May 2013

Surenuf Todd
Janet Reno and Eric Holder are sleazebags. Happy now?

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Todd Juvinall

16 May 2013

Joe Coyote, you don’t read all my stuff or you would see I take my party nits to task. PaulE and BenE never do. Also, the democrat party is the new “moron” party. Sorry you are in it.

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Ben Emery

16 May 2013

Only morons refer to the Democratic Party as the democrat party. Why would anyone consider taking someone seriously that makes such immature statements?

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bill tozer

25 May 2013

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/16/obamacare-is-about-power/?intcmp=obnetwork

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Gerry Fedor

27 May 2013

Todd, speaking of financial messes that we should all not be responsible for….
Shouldn’t you sell your home and to payback the losses you incurred when you let your investment home go into foreclosure? I understand that this left us all @$100K deeper in the hole
I bring this up as we are all now responsible for your losses, and I personally don’t feel responsible to make up for your financial misgivings!
I have the name of a good Realtor who will be more than happy to help you pay back your debt to society, the one you keep complaining about!
It’s a bit hypocritical to continually keep complaining about the government, when your actions were one of the mechanisms that put us in such terrible shape and made the government have to take the actions that you (and others) put us in!

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Ben Emery

10 July 2013

George,
I hope you put forward a correction on your positions of the IRS “scandal”.
I turns out my commented on 15 May 2013 at 09:23 PM is exactly what was going on.
“If the accusations are true about Tea Party and the IRS, I say welcome to the party of activism. Anybody who challenges the status quo and the establishment gets targeted.”
Connecting the Dots
How the Media Outrageously Blew the IRS Scandal
http://billmoyers.com/2013/07/09/how-the-media-outrageously-blew-the-irs-scandal/
“And they would have gotten away with it, too, had their narrative had the benefit of being true. But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did.”

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George Rebane

10 July 2013

BenE 1020am – thanks for the update, and please keep us posted on developments. In light of testimony given by Lois Lerner – who actually broke the IRS mea culpa, what organizations were cited in her disclosure, and her taking the Fifth – I’ll stick with Congressman Darrell Issa’s conclusion that Commissioner Werfel’s report that everyone was equally targeted is still “premature”. In short, let’s let the dust settle first.

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Ben Emery

10 July 2013

Fair enough. I know the IRS is used to keep non profits silent, personally I think it is a way to keep the masses in line because they are invested in the status quo by agreeing to keep politics out of their non profits. Traditionally it has been left groups targeted.

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Ben Emery

10 July 2013

A personal example is my suspension of our campaign for State Senate due to being on a board of directors that had business with a sitting state rep office who would have been an opponent in the campaign. The law didn’t say anything about this being a conflict of interest but as a person of integrity I didn’t want to do anything to jeopardize the organization.

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George Rebane

10 July 2013

BenE 1222pm – Agreed, back during the early days of the Cold War the leftwingers were seen as the most dangerous by the feds. Now that the feds’ sentiment has changed, the rightwing groups are in their cross hairs more often.

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Ben Emery

19 July 2013

Here is the latest coverage on NPR with the IRS so called “scandal”.
IRS Now Under FIre From Democrats, Too
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=203531588&m=203531575
4 Facts You Might Not Have Known About The IRS Scandal
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/06/20/193868881/4-Facts-You-Might-Not-Have-Known-About-The-IRS-Scandal
Excerpt
“1. Most of the groups flagged by the IRS for extra scrutiny didn’t actually have to apply for tax-exempt status.
For the Tea Party groups that were forced to jump through hoops, this will be a head-slapper.
As it turns out, the 501(c)(4) tax-exempt “social welfare” groups aren’t required to get approval from the IRS to carry on their activities, and in most cases, these groups had no tax liability anyway. For some groups, government certification as a social welfare group could serve as a kind of good housekeeping seal, making it easier to attract donations. This allows them to assure donors their names will remain secret and the only thing the groups actually have to do is file an annual tax return.”

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George Rebane

19 July 2013

BenE 1114am – You may be interested to learn that the trail has now lead up to the IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins. More here –
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578614220949743916.html?mod=hp_opinion

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Ben Emery

29 July 2013

This isn’t about the IRS “scandal” but gives an example of how the Tea Party is going ballistic about something that would be considered par for the course on the left.
FBI Files Show Snipers Targeted Occupy Houston
http://www.greenpapers.net/?p=665

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George Rebane

29 July 2013

BenE 1054am – “This isn’t about the IRS ‘scandal’…”??!! You’ve left me in the dust again Ben.

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Todd Juvinall

29 July 2013

NPR is a government funded mouthpiece and apologist for liberals in and out of government. I would say if Bush was the President and the targets were your pals on the left BenE that you would be down on the Brunswick Overpass with signs calling for his resignation or impeachment. I guess you are also claiming the murder of hometown Ambassador Stevens is also a “non issue”? Check this link to that.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/06/04/Report-Ambassador-Stevens-Killed-By-Lethal-Injection-After-Prisoner-Swap-Plan-Goes-Wrong

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

George,
Here is another scandal you might ignore for ideological reasons.
Undercover Agents Infiltrated Tar Sands Resistance Camp to Break up Planned Protest
TransCanada and Department of Homeland Security keep close eye on activists, FOIA documents reveal
“After a week of careful planning, environmentalists attending a tar sands resistance action camp in Oklahoma thought they had the element of surprise — but they would soon learn that their moves were being closely watched by law enforcement officials and TransCanada, the very company they were targeting.”
http:// http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/12-4

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

Todd,
I believe Obama should be impeached on grounds of violating of the US Constitution and for crimes against humanity. I have held this position for over two years and have protested his administration numerous times. See big guy, I am actually not a hypocrite like yourself. I don’t believe party comes before nation. I believe the nation is made up of all its people, citizens and guests.
As far as Benghazi “scandal” other than incompetence and trying to cover it up what motive or illegal action do you charge the administration?
I don’t think you have the mental capacity to understand why embassies are attacked but miracles happen all the time so why not give it a shot.
The Truth About Attacks on Our Diplomats
Shocker: When terrorists attack US interests abroad, they don’t distinguish between administrations that are “projecting weakness” or practicing “peace through strength.”
“To hear Republicans explain it, the protests at US embassies around the world and the attack on a US consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead are a result of the Obama administration “projecting weakness.”
“When we project weakness abroad, our enemies are more willing to test us, they are more brazen and our allies are less willing to trust us,” said vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan at an event in Colorado last week.”
http:// http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/libya-consulate-embassy-attacks-obama-romney

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George Rebane

12 August 2013

BenE 733pm – Could you please explain your use of “another” in your comment, and pray, what scandal are you referring to in this case. The econuts were planning to disrupt the lawful operation of a private company, and were intercepted by law enforcement as they were on the way to carry out their illegal protest. What part of that did you not support?

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Todd Juvinall

12 August 2013

BenE, for a mellow fellow who whines about personal attacks I was shocked you said this about me,
“I don’t think you have the mental capacity to understand why embassies are attacked but miracles happen all the time so why not give it a shot.”
I realize that you have a very large inflated head about yourself but please realize I am truly a lot more intelligent then you about almost all issues. The readers know this and so do the voters. Too funny.

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

George,
The “eco-nuts” were going to use their constitutional rights and their group was infiltrated by the government and their big energy masters.
Todd,
Maybe on RR I am a joke who doesn’t understand the world but outside this very very very small handful of posters my opinions are respected. The fact you like to bring up the vote totals assures me that my opinion on your mental capacity is right on the mark.

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

George,
“Could you please explain your use of “another” in your comment”
another- one more: an additional
Another story you will ignore, the other example was the “FBI Files Show Snipers Targeted Occupy Houston”.
I agree with you if the Tea Party is being profiled it is wrong and did speak against it. What I am looking for reciprocity towards the injustice of suppression/ oppression.

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George Rebane

12 August 2013

BenE 853pm – Have not heard the allegation about the snipers – who were they, citation please? And what constitution is that which gives someone the right to block entry to someone else’s place of business, especially if they members of an identified “insurgency” movement? In the past we have always celebrated law enforcement efforts to thwart incipient crimes.

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

George,
I gave you the link above with title of piece.
Here is the link with excerpt
http:// http://www.greenpapers.net/?p=665
“A set of documents released to the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund by the FBI as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request included a page, some of it blacked out, showing that there were early plans to use suppressed sniper fire to kill leaders of Occupy Houston.”

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George Rebane

12 August 2013

BenE 931pm – that is a very confusing piece. Did you understand it to allege that FBI was supporting a plan to kill Occupy leaders? The piece does not make it clear. But it does make clear that the lamestream rejected the story, the same cadre of ‘journalists’ who were pumping up the occupiers and overlooking all the bad stuff they were doing. Had any of this sniper stuff had a whiff of credibility, the lamestream would have plastered banner headlines about it across the nation. That they dropped the story strongly indicates that there was no there there, beyond reports in the kinds of outlets that purport a “green perspective”. Your sources of evidence need a little tightening.

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Bill Tozer

12 August 2013

“What I am looking for reciprocity towards the injustice of suppression/ oppression.”
Well Brother Ben, I have some for you: Miss Dean uttered the n word 30 years ago and has lost millions for her past mistake. That being said, her accuser has a lover who has a niece who is black. Justice is finally served. This was wrong to destroy a woman’s career and good will and livelihood and character because of a word said 30 years ago. Let the punishment fit the crime.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/racial-bias-claim-dismissed-for-paula-deen.html?_r=0
Now, why all this surprise about surveillance?? Where have you been my Brother Ben. Duh, its been going on long before 9/11, long before. My Russian (hot bodied) friend fled to the US. He/she got a job selling used cars, got her masters in psychology, started working on her doctorate when she landed a job at the Linguistic Institute in Monterrey teaching CIA agents how to speak Russian without an American accent. From there she was head hunted by Langley, VA at the Big CIA center. Might have been before the term NSA was coined, definitely before 9/11. Anyways, the mighty computer has been listening to every phone call we make for decades. Common knowledge to everyone except those that think this is something new. Because of that, I never utter the word boob on the phone or even here. Yes, its not the word boob, it is a word that has a “m” instead of the second “o” in it. Bang! Kapowie! Big noise. You catch my drift.
Here is a lesson for us all.
http://rt.com/usa/googling-bomb-feds-raid-suspicious-925/
Its a new world. I am not surprised that your fellow protestors were simply following their Constitutional rights and were being spied upon. Reciprocity? Guess we are all domestic terrorists now. Vets, millions of gun owners, the Religious Right, maybe even the Jews. Welcome to the fold. Guess when there are not enough foreign terrorists to spy on, Big Brother turns on spying on us domestic terrorists. Just like the Russians and Eastern European countries did back in the day. Welcome to Obamastan.
Before Timothy McVay, the reports showed that the most likely groups to commit domestic terror were the radical greenies, like Earth First! and similar faces of Satan’s spawn.
Cannot resist quoting Ben Franklin. When you trade liberties for security, you end up with neither. Don’t be so surprised or so damned naive. So stop getting yer panties all in a bunch about some Lady in Red who got tear gassed in Turkey and look what is going on in Obamastan. You are next my friend.

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Ben Emery

12 August 2013

Try this one.
http:// kennedy-law.blogspot.com/2013/07/taking-aim-at-occupy-movement.html
Actual language of FOIA request from the FBI
” An identified _____ as of October [2011] planned to engage in sniper attacks against protesters in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An identified _____ had received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. _____ planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles.\
* * *
On 13 October 2011, writer sent via email an excerpt from the daily _____ regarding FBI Houston’s _____ to all IAs, SSRAs and SSA _____. This _____ identified the exploitation of the Occupy Movement by _____ interested in developing a long-term plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire.”

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Bill Tozer

12 August 2013

Hard to kill Occupy leaders cause they are basically leadership-less. Unless you count those folks sitting in $600/night hotel rooms with Mac Book Pros and I-Pads planning strategy far, far, far way from the drum circle.

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Ben Emery

13 August 2013

Basically it was those who were organizing. My grandfather was beaten, spied on, arrested, and his life threatened trying to organize unions for steel workers. Big business was so afraid of a man trying to improve work conditions for workers they would go to extreme measures to stop him. The same goes on today but you guys seem to think that is just fine. But the IRS flags a political activist group using education organization tax status you guys go ape shit of being profiled. Welcome to the real world my friends.

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Todd Juvinall

13 August 2013

Sounds like BenE is truly a paranoid. Even the FBI is out to sniper Americans. Oh please.

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