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MIT and Harvard have announced the launch of edX, a “disruptive” initiative in worldwide online education that will leverage the best teachers with interactive learning technology.  The promise of this newest of such initiatives that follow in the footsteps of the Kahn Academy is that it could well disrupt the careers of incompetent teachers, and maybe even the teachers unions.  MITnews reports

EdX brings a “possibility of transformation through education to learners across the globe,” (Harvard president) Faust said. “We are privileged to be here today to mark the creation of a new partnership between two of the world’s great universities, a partnership that will change our relationship to knowledge and teaching for the benefit of our students, and students and would-be students everywhere.”

Anant Agarwal, director of MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory and president of the newly formed edX, called the new initiative a “historic partnership.” Online education, he said, is creating a “revolution” driven by “the pen and the mouse,” adding that edX is “disruptive, and will completely change the world.” The new possibilities afforded by today’s technology, he said, have created “the biggest change in education since the invention of the printing press.”

And that’s the good news, that we can leap over our dysfunctional (especially in STEM subjects) public education system and their cadres of union stultified deadwood ‘educators’.  Imagine how such course work will serve both home schooling and integrate with the full spectrum of brick and mortar schools.  I predict that the course certification processes adopted with online education will compete well with the diploma and degree programs now in the mainstream.  By ‘compete’ I mean compete in the job markets.

The bad news is how many American kids will tackle the offered course work, because it is hard and we know that worldwide kids from less developed countries will.

[Addendum]  Not to defocus the topic of online learning too much, but it seems to me there will be another benefit to the funders and consumers of k-12 education.  When the quality of teachers and teaching in public schools is criticized, left-leaning teachers leap to the fore with all kinds of denials and excuses.  The denials are not worth wasting bits to address.  However, the excuses for poor performance need airing.

Two obvious causes for poor performance in a classroom comprised of a cross section of students are 1) the out of control classroom due to bad behavior of kids whom the teacher cannot (may not?) control, thereby destroying the learning situation for everyone regardless of the teacher’s talents; and 2) the poorly prepared or incompetent teacher in a classroom of normally controllable kids – i.e. the learning environment is totally controllable.

From the national statistics on student performance and the fraction of uncontrollable classrooms in the country, it should be clear that the overwhelming source of student dumbth is due to #2 above.  There are no statistics indicating that ‘the blackboard jungle’ is the norm across the land.  Yet the (almost entirely leftwing) apologists for the state of public education overwhelmingly hide behind #1 as the reason for why our students don’t perform well, and why almost all of them going beyond high school have to be taught remedial basic skills in reading, writing, and math when they get to college.  (Their deficiencies in other subjects like history, economics, social studies, … are just ignored and the resulting ignorance is visible anywhere you see younger adults open their mouths in public.)

Therefore, there is reason to hope that as online education spreads through the land we will see lessening of the impact from #2 above.  And because more students can study in environments other than the classroom, there may also be a reduction in #1, the impact from disruptive students.  The dynamic this imposes on the legacy cohort of ‘professional’ teachers will be hard to predict because of the presence and power of their unions.  Thoughts?

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83 responses to “edX – ‘a revolution in education’ (addended)”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “We are learning the same thing from the teacher preparation programs that had the highest scores in our assessments. We had Chinese Taipei and Singapore as having a really higher achieving group of future primary and secondary teachers. They do things differently. They have very high standards for entry into teacher education. Of course, if you have an oversupply of highly-qualified candidates, you can afford to be very selective. In many countries, practically everyone who wants to go into teacher education may be accepted, especially if you have a low supply or if the teaching profession is not very attractive or if it is not very well paid or if teachers are not seen as professionals. It seems like higher-qualified teachers come with more attractive work conditions, more attractive salaries and overall consideration of the teaching profession as a more professional endeavor.”
    Well, DUH!
    From:http://lessonsfromabroad.tumblr.com/post/22137959651/q-a-with-maria-teresa-tatto-a-look-at-teacher-training

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 739pm – again there is a disconnect here. The wealthy were well aware of such results decades ago – smarter teachers do better in educating kids. To liberals such a conclusion, after requiring the study of tens of thousands of students, is revelatory rocket science. Another study pissing away millions to prove the obvious.
    Such smart teachers would stay if they could be rewarded on merit. And no conservative, rich or poor, would deny them such a compensation package. But the unions will not allow it for all the obvious reasons of money and membership.

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  3. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “And no conservative, rich or poor, would deny them such a compensation package.” as is pointed out at the site, they do have the option of contributing to merit boosts. When one goes fishing for the best fish, one has to put the bait on the line. The best fish will not jump into your boat for promises. I have yet to see a teacher 1.0 FTE, making over $200,000 per year, in any school, anywhere. See lawyers doing it every day, so it is possible, if the WILL was really out there. Crocodile tears is about it. BTW, that was a rather right wing site, no? All funded by Foundations of Richies, will not accept Federal funds, I thought you’d dig that?

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  4. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Let’s see, we institute a merit pay program, and using our existing dollars we pay the scoundrels less and the new super teachers more. WE only hire super teachers from here on out. Scoundrels die off. Now we have all super teachers. Where is all that extra money going to come from? If it is not going to show, the new super teachers will not be so super, will they?
    “How much budget could a conservative chop, if a conservative could chop a budget?” and in this case still pull off quality schools? None, budget would have to be boosted. The first scoundrel who left would put the budget into red ink.
    “The first scoundrel teacher ate a bean, parle vous, the second, the third, and blew a hole in the budget you could drive a torpedo through.”

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 1049pm – what a world you live in! There are no markets there, no changing prices, no adapting to demand or supply, everything that starts in one direction continues in that direction without change. And unfortunately you are not alone, but have tens of millions of like-minded who see everything in terms of The Grand Stasis with the guiding principle that human nature is simplicity itself.
    And this thinking is rampant over the land, it comes out of every legislature controlled by progressives. Look at our policies from the EPA (described by billyT) to tax receipts as planned by the nation’s Moonbeams. Everything is so simple – and wrong.

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  6. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Dear George, please point out the obvious flaw in my argument, other than that the teaching profession may be disbanded via electronic learning over time?
    “If you use inferior materials, you get inferior demons.” UNKNOWN SCI FI NOVEL
    “no adapting to demand or supply,” ~GeorgeR~
    George, I think it is very clear from the research. You want higher test scores, so you want the proven race horses that have quantifiable gotten that result, according to research and in agreement with GG’s contention that the current crop comes from the bottom of our colleges. In short, you want the super teachers who currently have a tendency to quit teaching and go elsewhere, or never start teaching in the first place.
    So, how to attract and hold these precious teachers? I don’t normally do this, but your fluffernutter response to what I have already posted requires that I post it again. In a nutshell, you have to pay and respect these folks, unless, of course, you are proposing an economy in which even the best and brightest are so desperate for work that they will teach for less than today’s teachers. I don’t think that’s a world either of us want to see.
    “”We are learning the same thing from the teacher preparation programs that had the highest scores in our assessments. We had Chinese Taipei and Singapore as having a really higher achieving group of future primary and secondary teachers. They do things differently. They have very high standards for entry into teacher education. Of course, if you have an oversupply of highly-qualified candidates, you can afford to be very selective. In many countries, practically everyone who wants to go into teacher education may be accepted, especially if you have a low supply or if the teaching profession is not very attractive or if it is not very well paid or if teachers are not seen as professionals. It seems like higher-qualified teachers come with more attractive work conditions, more attractive salaries and overall consideration of the teaching profession as a more professional endeavor.”
    Well, DUH!
    From:http://lessonsfromabroad.tumblr.com/post/22137959651/q-a-with-maria-teresa-tatto-a-look-at-teacher-training

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK 1102am – Study the first paragraph of your 1049pm. We are already living in a world with a largesse of smart people who can teach. These are not allowed into the public classrooms by the government and union gatekeepers.
    As technology continues to advance, this supply will increase way beyond demand. And the salaries the new crop of teachers get will reflect that. Your stasist view of the future of teaching allows for none of that. Everything tomorrow will be done according to the rules and norms of today.
    That is what we claim you liberals are ever blind to (calling it a “fluffernutter response”), and therefore continue doing the same thing while expecting different results.
    And the longer the collectivists resist this change, the more divided the country will become between those who can and will, and those who can’t and demand transfer payments. Even the USSR and East Germany with all their guns and spies marbled into their populations were not able to stay the forces of the markets, because the markets are nothing but a reflection of the realworld full of real people.

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  8. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    You may have a largess of smart people who can teach, but they are so dumb they can’t figure out how to get a credential? I don’t think so. I think that they are “otherwise occupied” at higher salaries.
    Or perhaps you are speaking of the notion that every one of them should get to compete (how this is done, who knows, throw out teachers with low test scores, then replace them with a new crop, 90% of whom get more low test scores? Such a plan!), every month, every year, for every job? “Here’s Bob, from TeachTemps, he’ll be your teacher for the next 50 minutes.”
    If teaching was a year round employment opening job, like engineering, it might work, but as it is, teaching is “a hire once for the year, by September, and let the rest stumble around until the following September kind of job.” This is a very unusual system, but those are the current working conditions for those who go into teaching. Are you planning on somehow or other changing that too?
    “Good morning class, I’ll be your teacher for today.” (or week or month). How would you set up testing to accommodate such a year round hiring scheme? Test every month?
    “were not able to stay the forces of the markets, because the markets are nothing but a reflection of the realworld full of real people.”
    And a world full of unemployed people with no money in their pockets will not sustain large markets for very long, and the infrastructure of the uberrich will dissolve right out from underneath them, and you will have a huge population being kept in check only by the armed robots of the rich, protecting the rest of “their” property and persons. I don’t think a rampant free market is going to make for a glorious future, comrade leader. 🙂

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    If you think that the best and brightest are just going to take out huge loans to be told that they are only good enough to take a teaching job are a reduced salary, no benefits, and no pension to speak of, I suggest you read between the kines here:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brittany-baker/debt-up-to-my-neck_b_945267.html
    That kind of talent is not going to take it lying down, and they are young and fresh and have far more collective energy than all the Bastiat Tea Party can muster.

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  10. billy T Avatar

    In related news, America has lost one of its most recognized and beloved teachers. I am deeply saddened on this Monday morning. George Lindsey has passed away. He devoted his last 17 years raising money for the mentally disabled as well as receiving a honorary doctorate from the University of North Alabama. He was affectionately called Dr. Goober. Yes, the former teacher is also known as Goober Pyle. Lindsey was born in Jasper, Ala., the son of a butcher. He received a bachelor of science degree from Florence State Teachers College (now the University of North Alabama) in 1952 after majoring in physical education and biology and playing quarterback on the football team. After spending three years in the Air Force, he worked one year as a high school baseball and basketball coach and history teacher near Huntsville, Ala. One of the beloved teacher’s jokes was “A football coach, holding a football, asks his quarterback, Son, can you pass this?' The player says,Coach, I don’t even think I can swallow it.’” Nowadays the teachers unions are asking us to swallow things much bigger.

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  11. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    RIP Most Talented Goober.
    Character, quirkiness, and charisma are often in the mix of a master teacher, and you can teach from the stage as well as the lectern. Many fond memories…

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Nowadays the teachers unions are asking us to swallow things much bigger.”
    Not as big as the conservatives saying there are throngs of guaranteed test score improving teachers just itching to take the jobs at lower salaries, and that you’ll be able to see the results immediately, and it will be all so simple to implement if we just destroy those darned unions. Would we get better movies if we destroyed the Screen Actors Guild? Better government if we prohibited political parties? Better wiring if we destroyed the electricians’ Unions, etc.? Not on the Conservative’s radar, I wonder why?

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  13. billy T Avatar

    Now we are left with the haunting question “What would Goober do?” My favorite teachers (and best ones) were always the quirky ones. Mr. Bates with his two-tone wingtips made even algebra understandable. The English teacher would sing out “Rutabaga, rutabaga, rutabaga” every time someone would read poetry in a monotone. We learned to add emphasis when reading out loud or face the music, lol. The science teacher would purposely drop the chalk when writing on the blackboard to get a laugh and get our attention when our minds drifted to pretty girls bouncing across the quad. Oh those school daze.

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  14. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    We could teach geometric shapes by building lunch areas with benches outline those shapes, and labeling them, such that each social grouping would have a space to call their own. “meet you at the octagon.” Pre meds would meet at the dodecahedron, 3D shapes could be sculptures adorning an entrance to a typical hexagon with tables and benches? Maybe I should adopt “Q” as a middle initial?

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  15. billy T Avatar

    Billiards teaches more about geometry than a book can. Of course billiards once was considered as a plague that corrupted our youth as evidenced by “The Music Man”. But it will never fly in today’s PC world. Billiards is an equal opportunity offender with its legends such as Minnesota Fats and Kansas City Slim. Speaking of body fat index, I have been puzzled by the growing and disturbing trend of ADD students. First they thought it was mercury in vaccines but they removed the mercury and the rate continued to explode. Must be hard on the teachers. Then UC Davis came out and found a link which makes senses. Grossly obese pregnant women or just plain ole obese parents had a 60% higher chance of pushing out an ADD child. Now that is something that we can all do to help out our schools with the escalating expenses for special needs costs. Bring back rigorous PE and no opting out for privacy concerns. Put a tampon on and run a few laps 5 days a week. Even the fat boys will have to sweat like stuffed pigs whether they feel like it or not. Hit the ground and give me 20. That will help future generations or our cherished youngins. You know the old mind /body thing for wellness.

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  16. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    It’s a nutrition/economics thing. Cheapest foods are most likely to make you fat.
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/a-high-price-for-healthy-food/

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  17. billy T Avatar

    My apologies. I must make a correction. I was referring to autistic children, not ADD. I know this is a painful subject for parents of an autistic child. They have been through enough and are tied to the child well beyond the years when the child becomes an adult. This is written for those fat parents who are thinking about reproducing. Lose weight. Yes, not all fat tubs of lard produce autistic children and skinny healthy parents don’t escape either. But, lets think about our poor overworked teachers and start sweating to the oldies with Richard Simmons. They built the Great Wall of China on stone at a time. You can do it. Shed those pounds for our schools.

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  18. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    There are teachers and then there are teachers, they don’t all think alike. SFUSD is talking about knocking off the prep period that AP teachers get, and that resulted in this being posted to the Lowell FB page:
    Donald Michael Platt
    The Los Angeles Unified School District eliminated the prep period in the early 1970s, and if some had their way, they would have eliminated AP classes as well. When I taught A.P. European History at Fairfax, 1973-87, (95% pass rate; 2/3 of them 4s and 5s) the head counselor threatened to cancel AP classes each semester unless X number of students signed up, and several conselors tried to talk worthy students out of taking more than two AP classes because the schedule would be too demanding for them. Some wanted to end academic “elitism” which caused me to question why the hell they were in the education profession.
    11 hours ago · Like · 4

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  19. Gregory Avatar

    2/3 of the Fairfax AP scores from ’73 to ’87, for that teacher’s AP Euro, were 4’s and 5’s? An interesting claim. All the kids in the class took the test?
    Smells like BS.

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  20. Gregory Avatar

    “Every principal should be faced with the thought, ‘What should we have done differently, if anything, to keep the best teachers, who went to the best colleges, here,’ as they’re walking out the door?” – Keachie
    The reality, as opposed to Keachie’s fantasy, is that the lower the SAT of the college graduate, the higher the probability they are teaching 10 years after graduation. This was established by a Federal Dept. of Education study a decade ago. Folks who could get into the best colleges studying the most serious subjects generally don’t become teachers.
    I vaguely recall Keachie complaining in the past about how he was unable to put more years in teaching. What was that all about, Doug?

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  21. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Oh, now we have curiosity? Two events, the shrinking size of the overall SF student body, and the reduced desire on the part of the district to be teaching comp literacy (the kids were taking care of themselves nicely) and a reduced need for programming teachers as well, and a lack of good labs and legal software (money issues, as usual), in many schools. I paved the way for one of my colleagues in the Math Dept. at Lowell to teach CS, during my year of sabbatical. My wife turned up two jobs for us up here a year later, but it turned out the HS was afraid of letting the kids use the internet, and wanted to concentrate on producing typists, totally contrary to what they said during the job interview. I endured a year of it and opted to go back to SF, but the rules of the game, set up by SFUSD and the Union, found me losing my slot at Lowell. The next five years were a comedy of errors, and an offer of a job up here at a charter led me to make the jump, big mistake, they misrepresented their financial capability, and their needs in the Apple arena.
    There, does that give you enough material to do another 5 years of Doug bashing? Have at it, we are all amused, each in our own special ways, by the Greg and Doug Show. See how nice I am? I even gave you top billing!
    You should have gone into chemistry, you’ve got such a refined sniffer. How good are you with wines, coffees, and brandies?

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Folks who could get into the best colleges studying the most serious subjects generally don’t become teachers.”
    Do I smell intellectual snobbery here?
    “is that the lower the SAT of the college graduate, the higher the probability they are teaching 10 years after graduation”
    yes, that is true, and it is also true that the only established way to get higher test scores, the Rebane Regulars Holy Grail, is to attract and keep graduates of the top one hundred schools in the country. That’s what the studies found, it is not a fantasy of mine, it is a nightmare of yours, because to get what you spend24/7/365 whining about, is going to cost you more dollars, IF YOU REALLY WANT IT, which I sincerely doubt.
    Reread: http://www.nctq.org/nctq/images/nctq_io.pdf

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  23. Gregory Avatar

    “Folks who could get into the best colleges studying the most serious subjects generally don’t become teachers.”
    Do I smell intellectual snobbery here?”
    No, just reality.
    No nightmares, here, Keach. As long as lousy teachers are tolerated, too many of the best will find something else to do with their life. Eagles want to fly with the eagles, not the Dodos.
    Yes, I really want lousy teachers to be pushed out, and, better yet, never knowingly hired in the first place. Try it for a change.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    For the record, I have not restricted (good) teachers to be graduates of any subset of schools. Most of the “top one hundred schools in the country” already have departments of education (some now called ‘communications’) and graduate thousands of teachers. My experience matches that in Gregory’s 1216am.

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  25. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “As long as lousy teachers are tolerated,”
    and as long as good teachers are able to find more rewarding and respectable work elsewhere, you will have low test scores. Quit whining.
    Are both of you, having supposedly gone to the link I provided, willing to state that there is no link betwwen a teacher being from one of the top 100 colleges and higher test scores? That sound like what you are testifying to, except for one of you, who weasel words his way out of everything.

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  26. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    So, if you really want higher test scores, you will have to pay for them, by hiring teachers who:
    Two recent reviews of the research found that a teacher’s level of literacy45 as measured by vocabulary and other standardized tests affects student achievement more than any other measurable teacher attribute, including certification status, experience, and the amount of professional development that a teacher receives.46
    ■ These summary findings were based on numerous robust studies spanning many decades that looked at the impact of literacy on student achievement, all finding that a teacher’s level of literacy is a strong predictor of student achievement.47
    ■ One such study found that teachers who are highly literate improved student achievement .2 to .4 grade levels more than teachers who were the least literate.48
    ■ A recent study of National Board teachers in North Carolina found that the teacher attribute that most consistently distinguished Board-certified teachers from other teachers was how literate they were. Board-certified teachers had significantly higher average scores on standardized tests such as licensing exams and the SAT and GRE.49 This is particularly significant in light of a recent finding that confirms that National Board teachers produce relatively higher student achievement gains.50
    ■ While there appears to be no reason to believe that licensing tests would not correlate with teachers’ performance on other standardized tests, no study has yet determined if higher scores on licensing exams such as the Praxis series correlate with greater teacher effectiveness.
    Bottom Line
    Clearly a prospective teacher’s level of literacy, however
    measured, should be a primary consideration in the hiring process.
    More effective teachers will score
    relatively higher on tests of literacy.

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  27. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “by hiring teachers who have graduated from the top 100 colleges and universities in the country. They have already pre-selected those in high school with high levels of literacy”
    While previewing, I accidentally hit the post button before I was finished.

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Yes, I really want lousy teachers to be pushed out, and, better yet, never knowingly hired in the first place. Try it for a change.”
    Try paying for what you’d steal, if you could figure out how to do it. As it is you’re the whiney broke kid in front of the Lamborghini dealership.

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    In short, you are both getting the reality you are paying for, and wish your fantasies didn’t come only with high price tags, which you chose not to afford. If the economy continues to toilet, yes, maybe you’ll get those top grads on the cheap, but I don’t think you’ll relish an economy that has tanked that far for your grandkids. Teaching is the only profession with a once a year hiring pattern, and, until that changes, you can expect Unions to be strong. The road to free market, anything goes, capitalism is leading us to the barred gates of Dracula’s Castle, and a return to the Dark Ages.

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  30. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Two obvious causes for poor performance in a classroom comprised of a cross section of students are 1) the out of control classroom due to bad behavior of kids whom the teacher cannot (may not?) control, thereby destroying the learning situation for everyone regardless of the teacher’s talents; and 2) the poorly prepared or incompetent teacher in a classroom of normally controllable kids – i.e. the learning environment is totally controllable.”
    With a worsening economy, will the number of #1 classrooms increase or decrease?
    Just what percentage of classrooms do you believe are “totally controllable.”
    To get top performance, test score and people-wise, you need an emphasis on quality interactivity, not control per se. The Chinese are good at control, or do they have a culture that emphasizes hard work, achievement, and respect for their elders?
    BTW, the top rated school in Texas via USNWR, is all of 200 or so students, selected from a population of 160,000 district-wide. Contrast that with Lowell, 3,000 students, chosen from 55,000, district-wide. And Greg, the teacher you semi-accused of being a liar did not state which Fairfax he was talking about, and I don’t know myself, but hint, it most likely was not the California one in Marin County, as kids there go to Sir Francis Drake HS in San Anselmo.
    Seems like the Navy may have troubles with their little darlings too.
    http://www.stripes.com/news/uss-the-sullivans-armstrong-is-10th-commanding-officer-fired-this-year-1.176692
    Even last night as I ordered a Brunswick buger, I noticed the kid had on the joint’s uniform, but his butt was definitely sagging, pictures at 11.

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  31. Srobert981 Avatar

    Well as long as the main objective of this new revolution to is to disrupt incompetency of teachers I have nothing against it. Having online education matters most especially for people who wanted to finish their online bachelors. And sometimes, in my opinion online education is more effective compared to traditional classroom classes.

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