83 responses to “Occupy vs TeaParty – A comparative summary”

1. 

   Gregory

   07 February 2012

   Never said you relied on Tarpley, Keach, just that you share reasoning styles, not that the style is either reasoned or logical.
   You’re the one who posted the link to his blog, Keach.

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   Douglas Keachie

   07 February 2012

   “The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie” ~ Greg ~
   Just what part of “is relying on” am I missing?
   Based on the link Greg provided, one would logically conclude the nutcase referenced is Tarpley. Greg, if it is NOT Tarpley, then what nutcase ARE you referencing? Yourself? That’s the only other person in the room here.

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   Gregory

   07 February 2012

   You were relying on him to make a point, Keach. Why else did you post it?

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   Douglas Keachie

   07 February 2012

   Which post directly references Tarpley, as the main author. Is he mentioned in passing somewhere? You exhumed him as a Zombie strawman, which graveyard, citing chapter and verse, please.

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   Douglas Keachie

   07 February 2012

   Oh, the one I made fun of, as “more sand in the air,” by the Leftys? I thought it would amuse George, and I would assume both of you knew enough lawyers to have come across the “sand in the air” reference.
   I once was flown down to LA to film a lady baking a cake, in patent dispute over the design of a cake pan. I did the lady and the cake justice, was well paid, but I oculdn’t asking as the lawyer, Jerry Offstein, gave me the check, “do you really think the film will help your case?” He said, “oh yes, definitely! Even if it doesn’t directly help the decision, it is more sand in the air.” Puzzled I asked for an explanation. He said, anything that keep the other side busy not attending to the case, like the film, can be considered, “sand in the air,” if nothing else.
   In a sense, there’s a bit of that going on now, even here, as we type….

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6. 

   Paul Emery

   07 February 2012

   Todd
   If I was only looking for a winner I’d be supporting Obama who should win easily against any Repub offering. I am voting independent to send a message that we truly need a change in this country and that the Republicrats should be fired and replaced by the American people.

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   George Rebane

   07 February 2012

   PaulE 758pm – Who are “the American people” who will replace the Republicrats? Are the latter not Americans? I think you have a deeper answer up your sleeve, and I’m just probing for it.

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   Todd Juvinall

   07 February 2012

   PaulE, so you think your vote is sending a message eh? If that isn’t a arrogant statement. And who is receiving your message of defeat? I guess never having to be responsible for anything in policy for the country is the new normal eh? Squish squish. Amazing.

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   Gregory

   07 February 2012

   Keach, you really are a mondo zombie on this one. Your “Fox DNA” piece was:
   “In 1932, Fox Helped Make Propaganda Films for Hitler”
   by (drumroll, please)
   Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
   TARPLEY.net
   You really don’t read the crap you link, do you?

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    07 February 2012

    Sorry George for my confusing rhetoric. What I meant to say is that the American people should fire and replace the Rpublicrats.
    Todd
    Your cynicism for the future of our country is apparent. There are actually free thinking independents that contribute to this blog that I prefer to converse with.

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11. 

    Douglas Keachie

    07 February 2012

    Dear Greg, You still don’t get it. When I come across something as far out as this, even with just a cursory glance, and see a bunch of folks chasing their tails over it, I may grab t and bring it here just to get a rise out of you. Some of the folks whom I agree with about some things, often go off the deep end on other things. I have nice friends who are so vegetarian they worry about the bacteria they kill as they eat. I have friends who are militant atheists and militant agnostics, who feel it is criminal that everyone else does not believe as they do. So it is on Facebook. When it is crap, no deep reading, no attention to detail, just seeing the headline tripped the wire for me, I knew you would love it, and you do.

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12. 

    Gregory

    08 February 2012

    Yes, keach, I’ve known for a long time you’re a blog troll and are just trying to play people.
    You chose to post a link to a LaRouchie conspiracy kook in order to link Fox News to the ’30’s Nazi Party. Then you called me a liar when I pointed out you were relying on a LaRouchie conspiracy kook to make your point.
    What a putz. When I checked just now, Keachie had 7 of the 10 recent comments; George, this isn’t healthy.

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13. 

    Douglas Keachie

    08 February 2012

    Gregory Goodknight, Board Certified Blog MD or wannabe warden, fail!

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14. 

    Gregory

    08 February 2012

    “Your logic is faulty Greg. You have defamed me by saying I am relying on Tarpley. I’d never even heard of him. So, you lied. What else is new?”
    “Which post directly references Tarpley, as the main author. Is he mentioned in passing somewhere? You exhumed him as a Zombie strawman, which graveyard, citing chapter and verse, please.”
    One thing is clear: Doug Keachie has no shame despite having much to be ashamed of.

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    Gregory

    08 February 2012

    And bringing that back into the post at the head of this thread, the “Occupy” movement has much to be ashamed of but, unfortunately, has a hard time even admitting there is a major problem in its ranks.

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    George Rebane

    08 February 2012

    ToddJ 220pm – Todd, I can’t enter comments under anyone’s name, only mine. (Can you imagine the brouhaha if that could be done?) I can either delete a comment, edit its content, of copy and post it myself stating that it came from you.

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17. 

    Todd Juvinall

    08 February 2012

    This is Facebook. I just have to figure this out.

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18. 

    Douglas Keachie

    08 February 2012

    When these people,
    http://www.alternet.org/story/153998/Koch_Brothers_Convene_Super-Secret_Billionaires%27_Meeting_for_2012_Elections/
    develop a sense of shame for conspiring to buy the elections, I might take your concept into consideration, Greg.

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    George Rebane

    08 February 2012

    DougK 737pm – “…shame for conspiring to buy elections” My, my Doug, are they really doing anything conspiritorial or illegal? The unions and rich liberals supporting Obama outspent McCain almost two to one in 2008. Is this gathering something like the ongoing unannounced White House visits of Andy Stern and Richard Trumka over the term of this administration? Don’t know what to make of it all.

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20. 

    Paul Emery

    08 February 2012

    Again
    That’s why we have throw them all out. It would only take one election cycle. Imagine that! What is it that makes people feel that only the Republicrats are qualified to run the country

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21. 

    Gregory

    09 February 2012

    Keachie’s author of choice this time is the guy, Lee Fang, who, two years ago fabricated a story charging, without any facts behind it, that the Chamber of Commerce was taking foreign money to run political ads.
    Keachie’s kind of blogger.

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22. 

    George Rebane

    09 February 2012

    PaulE 926pm – How would such soft revolution be launched to make it work in one election cycle?

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23. 

    Douglas Keachie

    09 February 2012

    “PaulE 926pm – How would such soft revolution be launched to make it work in one election cycle?”
    Simple, nobody is allowed to be an incumbent.
    AND,
    all computer files and emails, contact lists, etc., must be left behind, intact, not scrambled, for use by the next person in office, and positions on committees are drawn from a hat. Positions may be bartered for three weeks after the drawing. Then work begins anew.
    AND,
    Visiting (lobbying) times with members of Congress will be put into a nation wide lotto, and those who win can barter their time slots on a market that would be across between eBay and the stock markets. Every minute, so purchased, would have to be accounted for and recorded on video with sound and available online. No other contacts between the general public/corporations and the Congressperson would be allowed.
    in short, Open Government

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    Douglas Keachie

    09 February 2012

    The nationwide lotto issues for free, one entry to each voter who voted in the last Two national elections. Odds are the sloths would not see the future value, and wouldn’t sign up for one, if the reward couldn’t possibly show up for at least two years.

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25. 

    Paul Emery

    09 February 2012

    George
    It’s all about individual responsibly. Any reasonable person should conclude that the two party system is and will continue to be a total failure and needs to be replaced. As that evolution becomes evident imagine the variety of alternatives that would be available and they would be out of the reach of special interest money.
    Soft revolution – I like that. It just takes millions making that choice. To quote Thomas Jefferson “Every generation needs a new revolution.”

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26. 

    George Rebane

    09 February 2012

    PaulE 1001am – you’re re-arguing the reasons for such a soft revolution. I asked for your recommended means of accomplishing it.
    DougK in his 955am has given such a prescription. Although, I’m afraid that today’s Americans would not stand for it.

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27. 

    Douglas Keachie

    09 February 2012

    The average American would probably jump at my 9:55, as “cool” and “time for a change from crapola.”. The powers that currently be will do everything possible to stomp out the concept before it ever gains traction.

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    Paul Emery

    09 February 2012

    In a way it’s already happening with the dramatic rise in independent voters. First of all they need to make themselves unavailable to the Republicrats and go their separate ways. Currently around 30% of the electorate is independent although many swim home to the Republicrats during election time beaching in the most comfortable shore. This election may kick it off with an unpopular Romney losing to a less unpopular Obama.
    It would probably take a celebrity driven media techno drive to amplify the concept. I believe the idea could catch fire and turn the country around in short order.

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29. 

    George Rebane

    09 February 2012

    Here’s an initiative already in the works to get past the Republicrats. It’s called ‘Americans Elect’. More here
    http://www.americanselect.org/

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30. 

    Paul Emery

    09 February 2012

    Thanks George
    I’ll check it out

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31. 

    Gregory

    10 February 2012

    Doesn’t matter what you think Americans would “jump at”. We have a Constitution and any reform must be within that framework.
    I doubt americanselect.org will ever get enough traction to get ballot status in any state for any contest and it’s the states who conduct the selection of Electoral College electors. As far as I know the last 3rd party to get real presidential traction was the Republican Party under Lincoln, somehow I don’t see this website rising to that level.
    Besides, americanselect’s favorite candidate at the moment is Ron Paul, and while I admire the choice I don’t think americanselect is a path to getting Paul elected to national office.

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32. 

    Douglas Keachie

    11 February 2012

    Americaselect has competition, http://www.facebook.com/GOOOH?sk=wall&filter=1 and I would not be surprised to see what is nothing, become something, So that’s two groups that weren’t around until recently, with similar aims. Nothing to something does happen, otherwise history would be very boring.

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33. 

    Douglas Keachie

    13 February 2012

    For those that believe Occupy Oakland is a unified group hell bent on destruction, I’d strongly suggest reading the discussion or at least parts of it, going on here:
    http://oaklandradicals.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/openletter/#comment-17

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