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[This is the submitted version of my October column that appeared in the 8oct11 print and online editions of The Union.]

This column has long argued that the American worker is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to workers in emerging economies, and especially when compared to what the American demands as compensation to maintain his ‘right’ to a high standard of living.

The left has fastened on to the premise that it is the failure of markets that has caused the current glut of workers and high unemployment rate.  This failure must be fixed by more government flexing its muscles to tax, regulate, and spend (sorry, “stimulate”) to create jobs.  Supply side economics is anathema to the crowd in Washington, and we are back to government attempting to create jobs through demand side (Keynesian) policies.

This didn’t work during the Great Depression – FDR’s 17.1% unemployment rate in 1939 was the same as the one he inherited in 1933.  It was the dynamic trio of Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo who showed how to work the demand side of Keynesianism – after September 1939 everyone was able to find government jobs.

Earlier this week I woke up to an NPR interview of a venture capitalist and a fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.  Lynn Neary, the liberal interviewer, wanted to know what was wrong with the Occupy Wall Street crowd’s belief that (government) creating jobs would lead to “growth and prosperity”.  In vain, Bill Frezza of CEI attempted to convince NPR that the popular notion of ‘first jobs, then prosperity’ was a myth.


As those who have operated companies know, you don’t go into business to create jobs.  Jobs are an outgrowth of a well-managed business.  And if you ‘create’ too many jobs too fast, you go out of business.

Ms Neary pressed Mr Frezza hard about what to her seemed like a foregone conclusion – the prime purpose of a business was the social objective of creating jobs.   She and so many millions like her are incredulous that jobs are counted as a cost to a business, and that businesses are started to provide goods and services to customers in exchange for revenues that might contain a profit.  Her unsupported point was that businesses have a higher social responsibility than serving their customers and making a profit.

Mr Frezza patiently explained that successful businesses create jobs as a laudable social byproduct, but not as their reason for existence.  And the more successful businesses there are, the more jobs are created for people, but never forget that the prime responsibility a business has is to its customers and owners (shareholders).   None of this made sense to the NPR lady.

She is not alone in her disillusionment in how businesses work in an economy.  Today this ignorance starts at the top and spreads far and wide across the countryside.  President Obama and the socialist crew he has assembled have no experience in doing anything other than cashing government checks.  They don’t know how the “millionaires and billionaires” come by their cash.  All they know is that these greedy and selfish people are the enemy, and that they must be taxed back to some acceptable level of corrigibility.

So as the government does everything possible to derail a recovery, the frustrated, ignorant, and miseducated are predictably beginning to gather in the streets to once more protest capitalism and demand something that they can’t yet quite put their arms around.  Rushing to these little fires with buckets of gasoline are the Michael Moores and Van Joneses bringing old ‘solutions’ that have cost tens of millions of lives and ruined hundreds of millions more.

Van Jones, the self-declared communist and former administration ‘Green Czar’, has put together a conference of progressives called ‘Rebuild the Dream’ designed to foment “a real middle class uprising”.  These people simply cannot accept an economic recovery in America.  Their whole movement will fall apart.  No one will assemble in the streets if they have jobs to go to, and no one will want to work for the “fundamental transformation” that Obama promised us.  These agitators will then have to either get a real job, or wind up in some backwater NGO begging for government grants with which to plan their next revolution.

In the meantime, most of the country is fervently hoping that the self-serving politicians and bureaucrats in Washington will settle down and stop trying to create jobs using ideas and tools that have never worked, and have only caused grief for those who know how a real job creating economy works.

George Rebane is an entrepreneur and a retired systems scientist in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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245 responses to “Misunderstanding Job Creation”

  1. RL Crabb Avatar

    The basic problem, which has been pointed out to us in past ruminations, is that there are not enough jobs left to employ the unemployed. Manufacturing is unlikely to make a big comeback. The types of businesses that are proving successful (Google, Facebook, etc.) generate huge profits with a tiny workforce. And while you might argue that these internet businesses have created a platform to advertise new businesses, how many start-ups can survive selling recipes and solar powered potato peelers? Who will have any money to buy them?

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  2. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    RR Readers, George is still having connectivity issues and will comment when he gets the issue resolved.
    Russ

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar
    Russ Steele

    In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent. This is negative trend does not indicated a repaid job recovery. All most every American above the age of 12 has a cellphone. None of these millions of cell[phones were manufactured in the US. Look around your house, and realize more of the electronics and small appliance you see are not manufactured in the US.

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  4. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Could someone explain to me how changing the patent laws from “First to Invent” (The Inventor) to “First ti Publish” (Whom ever steals the idea and runs to the patent office first and says ” It was me!”) will help to spur on inovation that can help to create jobs.
    I would really like to know.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCDvkzHXO6A
    Too late, stupid people!

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  5. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    whomever and innovation…Sorry

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  6. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    A good start on changing the dynamic would be committing to a Buy American mindset. Even better is buying local. The power of the consumer making billions of decisions a day will always be greater than the power of government.
    http://buyamericanchallenge.wordpress.com/

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  7. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    This keeps getting better and better. The Tea Party was vilified by the Left from day one, and called a “bunch of radicals” by elected officials and Left wing media. But this bunch gets a pat on the back by the same people. How many arrests of Tea Party people? NONE! As for this gang, the count is nearing a thousand. And the Left calls this “peaceful”. If you read their crap, it sounds like the rantings of the unabomber. Someone needs to turn on the sprinklers at the park. If anything else, they will get a much needed bath.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    “Van Jones, the self-declared communist”
    Can someone lead me to where Van Jones declared he was a Communist? I’m assuming that means he declared was a member of the Communist Party (capital letters).

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  9. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Paul,, I had some links to youtube vids that had him making those comments. I had over five differant ones. Now they have been yanked from the net. Damage control is in the works. But Wiki still has references to his radical views. Better get there before revisionism gets there first.

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  10. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    The government has been a job creator for decades. Jobs were created during WWII and that carried on for decades with all the “police actions” that followed and with the space race. In the WWII and space race cases, these gov. programs created a unifying effect, bringing people together for a common “good”. After 9-11, we again had a short-lived feeling that we were all in it together. But now we are fracturing into feuding factions, not so much as a result of our leader’s plans, but because some people think that government should only make war, and the jobs that go with it.
    The end result of war is that billions or trillions of dollars of machinery, buildings and infrastructure is blown up or wrecked and it now needs to be rebuilt. Government sponsored wars result in many jobs being created to blow up stuff and then rebuild the blown up stuff and make new war machines. Is this the only kind of economic plan conservative hawks can get behind?
    The strange part about wars is that nobody seems to care as long as business is good and don’t seem to care about how these trillions in costs are financed. But, heaven forbid the mighty howl that erupts when the gov. tries to sponsor programs that help the environment, improve transportation, or provide for the health of people.
    When I start hearing from conservatives that war is a cost we cannot afford if we want to keep taxes low, only then will I listen to them when they question whether government created jobs in non-military related industries is worth it.

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  11. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Give me a break, “yanked from the net”!

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  12. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Oh My GOD! The Chinese are out of control.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/08/global-warming-is-a-bogus-proposition/
    “Global warming is a bogus proposition…”
    They tricked us!
    /sarc

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  13. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Jones’s Marxist and Communist leanings and involvement are all over the place if you have half the courage to look. He backed “STORM”. ( look it up) He’s a “truther”. ( look it up).
    Jones has his fingers in this new age hippie gang.
    So if there was “nothing” behind all this, Why isn’t he still a czar in the WH??
    “His involvement with the Bay Area radical group Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), which had Marxist roots, had also become an issue. And on Saturday his advocacy on behalf of death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of shooting a Philadelphia police officer in 1981, threatened to develop into a fresh point of controversy.”
    NNaaaa Not a Commie…LOL!!

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    It’s very simple. To verify that Van Jones said he was a Communist there should be some kind of documentation. Disappearing you tubes don’t qualify. Being part of a movement that has supposedly “Marxist roots” does not make you a Communist. Are we reverting to McCarthyism? That was a grand chapter in American history.
    I was a member of he Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. Does that make me a “self declared Communist”? Also I believe that Mumia Abu-Jamal was framed and have appeared in fund raisers to support him. Dies that make me a Communist? Also I was a member of the Young Americans For Freedom in my youth. Does that make me a John Bircher or Right Wing Fascist?
    It’s too bad George chose to go in that direction because mostly his essay makes a lot of sense.

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The government does create jobs Mikey. Look at the jobs created by taxpayer subsidies of hight tech defense contractors. Trillions spent on useless and unconstitutional wars. As a Libertarian you should be the first one up in arms (no pun intended) about that. Look at the Aero Space industry. All government created jobs.
    Also look at what really pulled us out of the Great Depression, WWII. Assuming that war was just and constitutional it was still the government through deficit spending doing all the hiring and subsidizing industry. It took till 1959 to pay the bills on that one.

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  16. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Right from the BAY itself.
    Here’s how the East Bay Express described the Van Jones’ background:
    [Van] Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, “I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.” In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”
    Like I said. If you have half the courage to look.
    But keep defending him. And I guess the next thin you will say is that he has nothing to do with the OCCUPY BS.
    Example after example can be given of how factions on the Left are driving to turn the United States into some version of a Socialist state, you will deni it.( unless that’s exactly what you want)
    But people like me, and others will be there to fight that at every turn.
    Big GOV isn’t your saviour. It’s your oppresser.

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  17. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Frankly I don’t really care if Van Jones was a former communist or not. I evaluate people by the quality of their ideas; and Mr. Jones has a lot of good ideas. He also has some I disagree with.
    By the way, saying, “I was a communist” as a young man, and being part of a violent revolutionary communist movement whose aim is to overthrow the US government and instill a totalitarian form of government, are two entirely different things. In US history we have labeled many organizations as communist that have been far from it, see Paul’s example above.
    There is nothing inherently wrong with being a communist in America. We enjoy political freedom and the communist party is a political party like any other. One may disagree with his choice, but his right to make the choice is inherent.
    I once attended meetings of the Revolutionary Communist Party of America while I was attending the University of Illinois as a freshman (they raised money for their paper by selling cookies on campus). Of course I also attended meetings of the John Birch Society and went to see Some little freak from the American Nazi Party speak. Doesn’t make me a commie, Birchers or nazi.
    Paul, you have hit on the reason the best question to ask people here is “Have you no shame, Sir”

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  18. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    This says it all.
    “There is nothing inherently wrong with being a communist in America. We enjoy political freedom and the communist party is a political party like any other”

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  19. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    BTW Steve,, about the only thing Socialists like about the Constitution at this point is the 1ST Amendment.( but only when it’s something “they” agree to.)
    And one more thing. My wife’s Aunt still has the scars from a bullet escaping Communist rule of Eastern Germany. So try and remind her just how great it is.

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  20. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    You are right, that does say it all. Being a communist is 100% legal in the United States of America. It is a protected status under our Condtitution. Being a proponent of the violent overthrough of the United States government is not. Do you have a problem with that?

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The Great Depression was a recession made horribly worse when the government allowed the money supply to implode. WWII was, along with an entry into a just war, a reinflation of the money supply. The post war boom was domestic demand being supplied for the first time in a generation or two, plus we were the only superpower on the block, with all our wartime production capacity intact. Wahoo. Wasn’t rusted out until the 70’s.
    When the government taxes and spends a dollar on a good or service that is needed, that’s a good thing. When it’s a good or a service that isn’t needed, it’s money wasted, capital diverted away from where it could create wealth rather than being dissipated, thrown to the four winds.
    When I spend my money on something I need, I get good value.
    If I spend my money on something I think you need, I get an ok value but you won’t be as satisfied.
    If I spend your money to buy something for someone else, I get a lousy value but who cares?
    Government spending tends to be in the last category.
    PS Frisch sure hit all the totalitarian bases in his youth.

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  22. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Yes I DO!! Because Communism stands for everything the U.S. isn’t, and based upon. If you like it so much, N. korea would be a good place for you to be. Maybe Venezuela? I hear the weather is nice.
    Hugo just might have a place for ya’.
    As for the last part of your screed, you might want to have a little talk with your Comrades. This is a taste of what I got on another “discussion” thread.
    ” Kill the Tea Party Terrorists & Kill Them NOW
    The Tea Party has made no secret of their evil intentions to take America back to what it was at the point-in-time that existed during the Boston Tea Party, a time when African-Americans were slaves and deemed a fraction of a person. The Tea Party’s objective is to kill African-Americans by attrition, by denying us employment”
    etc,,etc,, Bla Bla Bla.
    Peacful my …….

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  23. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Walt, you seem to be confused. I am not arguing that socialist or communist countries are good. I never said any such thing. I am a dyed in the wool Capitalist. However I am also an American, and our constitution clearly spells out what our rights and responsibilities are. And freedom of speech, assembly, association and thought are clearly covered my friend. I don’t need to go anywhere, this is my country, every bit as much as it is yours or any other citizen’s.
    But I do find it interesting that those who claim to support ‘respect for our constitution and bill of rights’ seem to have so little knowledge of what freedom the constitution actually supports.

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  24. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ah….Greg. How trite you can be. I also worked in a Republican congressman’s office, one Henry Hyde, and worked for an Independent presidential campaign, John Anderson.

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  25. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Here you go Walt, it’s a brave new world of stupid!
    …and they speak with one voice, just listen!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI&feature=player_embedded

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  26. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Under Commie rule, do you believe you would have what you do today Steve? I think not.What do you think would happen if you spoke badly about the GOV? HHuuMMMM???? Good thing your in the U.S…. Right?
    With this OCCUPY,, your getting a preview of what happens when GOV runs out of other peoples money. The “have nots” are pissed that they can’t get anymore from the “haves”.

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  27. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Well Walt, no I don’t believe that I would have the freedom I have today under a communist system, that’s one reason I am not a communist, or a socialist, but an independent. I have voted for Republicans, democrats, independents, greens and even a libertarian once or twice. What part of what I said don;t you understand? Do you acknowledge that the constitution gives Van Jones or anyone else the right to be a communist if they want to? Would you deny them that right? If so, then I would send you back to read the constitution once again.
    I have warned here many times, when the have nots rise up be very worried, they are the vast majority and it is about time they are pissed.

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  28. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Your right Steve, it could snap!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0V1pkhJqF8

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  29. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    In my opinion ANYONE that professes Communism is an enemy of the state. Yes we have a First Amendment, but when that right is used to encourage the attack of our freedoms, THAT I have an issue with.
    A Communist party? Why would there be one other than to further their political agenda? So what have they done? Dropped “Socialist”, “Marxist”, “Communist”, and came up with “Progressive” in their place. They just use Democrat for old times sake.
    I feel a little better know knowing just which side you might be on when the shooting starts.

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  30. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    But what gets me is how someone who couldn’t pass a background check to get passed the lobby of the FBI, gets elected to the highest office in the land, and then get a few of his buddies
    that are just as questionable, get positions of power and control. ( like dear old Van)

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  31. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    On another note, Good ol’ GOV. Moonbeam just stuck it to us again.
    “Gov. Brown signs second half of bill to allow illegal immigrants to apply for state-funded scholarships and aid at California state universities…..”

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  32. Mikey McD Avatar

    MYTH : “Also look at what really pulled us out of the Great Depression, WWII”
    Paul, may I humbly suggest reading Bastiat’s Essay… That Which Is Seen and That Which Is Unseen?
    Government cannot create a job which it does not take from the private sector. It takes approx 6 private sector jobs to support 1 government ’employee’ (same with NGO’s, and other tax payer funded BS). Yes, the private defense industry does grow in times of war… but, other areas are sacrificed to pay for it (debt or excessive taxation).

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  33. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    LOL King!! Now if you just put some local characters to those hipsters. I think “Mike” is the one with the Commie tank top.LOL

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  34. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, how trite indeed:
    “Frankly I don’t really care if Van Jones was a former communist or not. I evaluate people by the quality of their ideas; and Mr. Jones has a lot of good ideas.”
    Certainly not, if The Green Collar Economy is any indication. A green new deal is green path to more poverty.

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  35. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Interesting debate. Now my two cents about our President and job creation. I avoid using such labels as pinko, commie, or the combined form of commie pinko. The wonderful term Capitalistic Pig is a lofty and mighty force that creates long term jobs. I believe Obama does not have a passion, deep interest, nor understanding of macro economics. When O took office the dodo was hitting the fan. He listened to his advisers from academia (none of which actually met a payroll) and was told to rev up the printing presses, loot the Treasury, and dump unfathomable billions upon billions at the prob. End of story, prob solved and lets jump headlong with real passion and intensity into ObamaCare. Wait, what do you mean the economic problem is not solved? You are kidding, right? O had more Nobel Prize winners on his economic team than WalMart has freaky patrons. Heard from experts years ago that if the Soviet Union had our system of private enterprise and distribution, the Ruskies would be selling wheat in Kansas. But no, The USSR’s wheat stood rotting on the docks as government regulation, bureaucracy, and the entire role of government managing the economy is one of many examples of faulty thinking. Maybe the USSR should have thrown more money at the economy so that people would not have to wait 6 months to a year for a new water pump for their government made cars.

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  36. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Goodknight what is was calling trite and ridiculous was your innuendo that I prefer totalitarianism, and you know it, you sad pathetic little man. But all you ever want to do is pick a fight. Sad life you lead.
    At least Van jones is doing something, unlike the trolls, lurkers, and angry old men who inhabit this space.

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  37. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Meanwhile, I don’t see anyone here standing up for the friggin’ constitution. I guess it’s a great document if one agrees with who’s talkin’.

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  38. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I’m not responsible for your delusions, Frisch, and it’s folks like you who have stretched the interstate commerce clause to cover anything the majority party wants.
    Doing the wrong thing is often worse than doing nothing, and what Van Jones is doing is the wrong thing. The “green economy” is a chimera that is making us all the poorer. Well, maybe not all, I think Frisch’s CEO spot probably is cushier than what most have.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Van Jones was never a member of the Communist party. His “confession” has been discredited so many times it’s not worth talking about.
    I confess I was once a member of a John Birch Society wing called YAF or Young Americans for Freedom. I used to push petitions and poster cars with JBS propaganda that the Civil Rights Movement was part of the Communist conspiracy. So what does that make me today?

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Van Jones admitted he was a member of the communist party and that was played over and over again on all the news shows (his admittance from his own mouth). That led to his leaving the Obama Administration. Sorry to say Paul you just need to watch a bit more national news.
    American jobs were so plentiful as late as 2007 that we had news story after news story on how Americans would not do certain jobs so the illegals were pouring n to do them. You all remember that? Sure you do, and what happened? The real estate and housing industry went down the crapper and I would say all those unemployed folks in America are related to those industries. Millions of construction workers, appliance makers, carpet and cabinet makers, out of work. Why? Because government policies forced upon the real estate industry and the banks to lend to people who could not afford to pay back the loans caused a huge spike in prices and the costs of goods and services to build the home. Who did this? Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Christopher Dodd were the main culprits. Then when Obama was elected he doubled down on the economic woes by printing a couple of trillion dollars and sent it not to the main street people who were in real estate but to his union buddies. That saved their jobs for about 24 months and now we are back to square one. Since there are 16 million Americans whop are no longer pounding nails, erecting high rise condos or putting in new roads and water lines, the economy has gone backwards. America has always gone forward and when there was a blip in the forward movement it did not last long. Real Estate always brought America out of recessions. When the left has their way in governance we all get to see what they want. They want zombies. Just look at how they steer the tax money to the areas they deem as most important. “Green”. Now we see in real world examples how this works. It doesn’t. But there are many leeches to the tax dollar out there and we know who they are. NGO’s, non-profit green boondoggles and solar companies. America has to clean out the leeches and get back to being the capitalist America.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, maybe Frisch is in support of Hugo’s latest government program. Maybe he could get a ocean front condo from him. This is why the left is a danger to our country. Read this.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chavez-to-seize-homes-and-hotels-for-the-poor-on-idyllic-los-roques-2367385.html

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  42. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Meanwhile, I don’t see anyone here standing up for the friggin’ constitution. I guess it’s a great document if one agrees with who’s talkin’.”
    Obama catches some flack when he’s “talkin’ ” like he’s a just a regular guy. Frisch, you’re even more inauthentic; you just don’t have the knack.

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  43. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, as I said I don’t give a damn if Van sympathized with communists as a youth or not; but I think you are wrong about him being a ‘member of the communist party”. If you can show me a registration, official party membership, in the communist party I will donate $1000 to the charity of your choice.
    Pathetic people here.

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  44. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I want to hear at least one conservative defender of the constitution state unequivocally here that Van Jones has a perfect right to associate with the political party and philosophy of his choice.
    I find it ironic that you would defend the rights of only some Americans. It speaks volumes about your real agenda. It is not protection of the constitutional rights, it is advancement of your preferred philosophy.
    Each and every one of you is a living example of the bold faced lie that the Tea Party and its allies really are.

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  45. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, if I may recall an old bit of wisdom… “N’être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d’un manque de cœur ; l’être après trente ans est preuve d’un manque de tête. (Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head)-François Guizot
    With the knowledge that républicain here is in the 19th century French sense of the word, this would seem to say you’re both heartless and brainless.

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  46. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, in the spirit of George’s post, just how much has each “green job” created in the last couple of years cost us?

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    It is amazing to me that self proclaimed “smarter” than the average bear Frisch makes a claim about the conservative right not defending the constitutional rights of a communist. That simply shows his ignorance in what we stand for. Frisch, we are obviously smarter than you about the document our Founders put together. You want a loyalty oath apparently, we don’t. We think America is stronger because all points of view are allowed to speak. You and your ilk are the “pushers” of PC, not us. You probably were the pie thrower at Ann Coulter weren’t you? We are the people of the Constitution because we allow all to stand at the podium, unafraid a nut from your ilk will throw a shoe or a pie. You are pathetic in your inability to even make sense.
    Regarding the Van Jones self “outing” as a communist. He was on all the news shows for days three years ago. He was a proud communist. You must not have been “in country” when all that was happening. We remember.

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