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Mr Mike Thornton, former KVMR news director and current volunteer correspondent for the station, often reads and comments on these pages.  By all counts, Mike holds a firm and far left view of the world and its inhabitants.  He takes exception to being identified by any of the standard collectivist labels like ‘liberal’, ‘progressive’, ‘leftwinger’, and feels they are either too revealing or cast him in a pejorative light.  As a counter to that, Mike started referring to all other RR readers across the aisle from him as “regressives”, to which he clearly means to attach a pejorative connotation.

Since ‘regressive’ is not a common reference to people of a conservative mien (nor a noun in the English language), I took him to task on the use of the concocted label and deleted his comments that carried gratuitous uses of ‘regressive’.  I have also asked him to share with us his unique definition of ‘regressive’ in the sense he means it in these pages (and elsewhere?).  As a template, I invited him to expand on his definition as I have done for  my use of ‘raghead’ – a definition which apparently eludes him and others of his ideology.  Nevertheless, in the comment stream to ‘AtPac Lawsuit – still seeking closure’ Mike has graced us with the following bagatelle on the label.  I consider that this piece sheds light on an important perception which is doubtlessly shared by many across the land, and therefore needs a more prominent place on these pages.  In his own words.


I don't use "Regressive" as you use "Raghead".  I believe that the term "regressive" is an actual description of your political agenda and world view. You use "raghead" as a way to dehumanize and entire group of people, in order to make it easier to hate them and therefore kill them.

However, my interpretation is basically this: "Regressives" want the important decisions that govern life, society and the economy of this country (and the world) to be made by the wealthy. The government simply acts as their police force and army. Of course they want courts to settle disputes amongst themselves (largely about how to divvy up the spoils that they make off of or expropriate from the workers) The idea that workers or the poor should have equal access to them or education or anything else is simply a utopian ideal fostered by "Communists". They are "poor" and they are "workers" so how could they possibly have any idea what is good for society. Much of this is based in a Calvinist theological orientation which basically says that your lot in life is an expression of God's favor or lack of same. There are many books written on this subject George and they are authored and researched by folks that are way smarter than I am.

They get very deep into the psychology of the regressive mindset and how it's based in authoritarian family structure. The authoritarian family structure is based on "discipline" and "punishment" (I would also add the need for a perpetual "enemy/other" to fight against)A discipline and punishment model along with a Calvinist orientation make the idea of social equity and or social responsibility (much less programs)anathema to those that hold an authoritarian mindset. The structure of American society has moved too far away from the values that authoritarians are comfortable with and so they are fighting to take society back to a time they they think worked better.

My exit question on this exposition is – What label do the “folks that are way smarter than (you)” use instead of ‘regressives’ in their research?  And since these labels have become established terms of art in the literature, why are they not sufficient for Mike Thornton?

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163 responses to “Of Ragheads and Regressives”

  1. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I like the term “Regressive”!
    I think it’s a good description, but certainly other people (both smarter and not as smart) are free to use whatever terms they like.
    I think the thing that really bothers you, is that “regressives” have long dominated the debate through the use of language and framing. I’m refusing to play the game according to the rules you want to set and you just don’t seem to be able to deal with that.
    Oh, well…..

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    And again MikeT, you saw right through me and the reason I posted your definition for all to see. But now that we know what you really mean by ‘regressive’, go for it.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    It’s too bad you chose to use the language you do to describe Islamic radicals. While you may justify your language through your own personal definition, to most people of all persuasions it degrades the message of what you attempt to communicate and puts you in the category of a clubhouse hero that will never get out of the neighborhood. That’s unfortunate but I believe that must be what you want to be. You are far too intelligent to see otherwise. I can’t think of any other reason you would go that direction other than not to be taken seriously. You certainly wouldn’t hear William Buckley, William Kristol or even any of the Conservative writers of the Heritage Foundation or the Cato institute using that language because I think they actually want to be influential and not just a playground barker surrounded by adoring puppys.
    It’s too bad you choose to go in that direction but it’s your choice.

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  4. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I’m glad you’re happy!

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  5. RL Crabb Avatar

    After following the exchange on the previous post, it’s hard to tell who is more contemptuous of his adversary. We’re still four months out from the next election cycle and the hate-filled rhetoric has already reached a fever pitch. How much worse will it get when the game really begins?
    It is becoming what Jerry Brown has characterized as a war of all against all. Two philosophies of life and politics that can no longer abide each other.

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar

    My definition of regressives are those who want to put the burdens of society on the backs that can afford it the least.
    FDR had a different take on conservatives “A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.”
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

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  7. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Ben, the problem as I see it is that those who “can afford it the least” are “the burden.” and the left continually makes it worse through encouraging societal irresponsibility on a grand scale. Or haven’t you been paying attention the last fifty years?

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  8. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Larry Wirth
    Thank you for proving my point. You are a perfect example of the authoritarian discipline punishment model regressive.

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  9. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I think you’re right , Bob.

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  10. Barry Pruett Avatar

    “‘Regressives’ want the important decisions that govern life, society and the economy of this country (and the world) to be made by the wealthy. The government simply acts as their police force and army. Of course they want courts to settle disputes amongst themselves (largely about how to divvy up the spoils that they make off of or expropriate from the workers) The idea that workers or the poor should have equal access to them or education or anything else is simply a utopian ideal fostered by ‘Communists’. They are ‘poor’ and they are ‘workers’ so how could they possibly have any idea what is good for society.”
    I heard all of this socialist rhetoric when I lived in the forner Soviet Union! While Thornton is free to frame and define his own perjorative, I do not know anyone here in Nevada County that fits such definition. While “Regressives” may “want the important decisions that govern life, society and the economy of this country (and the world) to be made by the wealthy,” conservatives, much the same as our founding fathers, want the important decisions in life to be made by the individual. Thornton and other socialists want the government to make such decisions for society thereby reducing personal liberty.
    It is all about individual liberty. Conservatives want more, socialists want less. It is that simple. Creating perjoratives is just rhetoric.

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  11. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Actually “regressive” is an adjective, meaning “tending to return or revert”; and as defined in Webster’s is an entirely appropriate descriptor of the position taken here by George, and many of his fellow commenters.
    I’m not sure why George takes such umbrage at the word. He has proposed on many occasions regressing to previous times, legal definitions of rights, cultural norms, definitions of community, and interpretations of constitutional law.
    Regressive is a word, like any other word, and people who profess a philosophy of regressing to previous times can easily and appropriately be referred to as regressives. It can be tossed around with as much or little loaded meaning as words like “communalist”, “socialist”, “communist” or any other word, all words in the original post that George admits are “labels”. It is common here for some to use the term “progressive” as a pejorative, so why would regressive be any different?
    I think, George, you are protesting too much. Just as you say liberal should wear the badge proudly, why would you not wear the term regressive proudly?

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  12. Russ Steele Avatar

    Paul,
    In the late 1950s I had just finished my freshman year in college and was quite proud of my new educational experience. The following summer I was working in the oil fields in Wyoming. One day a few weeks after I started, my dad took me aside and said he had heard some complaints about how I was relating to the other members of the crew I was working on. At the time we were digging ditches connecting well heads to the collection network. Dad said, “Son when you are digging ditches, you talk like a ditch digger, when you are talking to a college professor, talk like a professor,” The complaint from the crew was I was using words they did not understand, words and ideas I had learned at university. I think that George knows his audience and he is using words that they understand. If he was writing for the readers of the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, or talking to Bill Buckley’s ghost he would use different words, words which some in this audience might not understand without referring to a dictionary.
    Before the 91 middle eastern wars, my only reference to “ragheads” was to the Harley riders that wore bandanas around their heads. But, that was before the helmet laws.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    MikeT’s theory only works if he is in charge. Sort of authoritarian wouldn’t you say?

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  14. Russ Steele Avatar

    Barry,
    Great insight. Until you have lived out side of the US, it is easy to take our individual freedom for granted. It is worth fighting for!

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  15. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I think Russ sums something up very well when he says: ” George knows his audience and he is using words that they understand.”
    One can easily translate this into: “Preaching to the Choir” or “Dog whistle”
    Barry once again goes for using Chapter One of the “Regressive playbook” entitled:
    “The Refuge of a Scoundrel”

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  16. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Thorton: I do not understand. What is the “The Refuge of a Scoundrel?”

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  17. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I think he means pumped up false patriotism.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Barry, he has it in reverse. The “rich” in America were the middle class which our country had many of once. That “rich” segment was then taxed into the poorhouse by MikeT’s ilk since the Great Society went into gear. I blame the demise of fairness and the lack of upward mobility on MikeT’s policies of dependence and punishment instituted by his regressive socialist policies. He favors picking winners and losers in our society by using the government, by regulations, yax policies and graft. Of course our government at the federal level was never intended to do this but with his ilk in charge of the Supreme Court, especially the Warren Court during our lifetime, the socialist achieved much success at wrecking the middle lass and punishing the very people they say they to want to help, the poor. We have transferred in welfare alone (and related programs) over five trillion dollars just in my lifetime and yet the poverty levels are unchanged and the poor are even more dependent on the largesse of the government. So, under MikeT’s definition of “regressive” I would suggest his policies are the best example of the term. The poor are worse off because his regressive policies have destroyed the middle class who pays most of the bills and supplies the manpower of the American business engine. I really don’t care personally what socialist call me as long as it isn’t late for dinner.
    I see PaulE has his outrage button on again and is chastising George for using the term “raghead” to describe Islamic terrorists. I personally don’t use terms except ones like leftwingnut which seems to rile the lefties too but I am more comfortable with that. PaulE has no problem with James Hoffa calling the little gray haired older ladies “sons of bitches” since we never see him take his buddies from the left to task for their ad hominems. Because he doesn’t he has no credibility in what I consider his “phony” outrage on terms and words from the right. It is too late for PaulE and his ilk to gain credibility on this topic since they are only one sided.

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Really Todd, I see you referred to a poster on you web site as a “vampire”, and another as a “stupid liberal’ and asked her, “did I jilt you while I was dating”, and as “coyote ugly”. But I guess you never get more specific that “leftwingnut”, eh?

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    I thought you were a fan of Earl Warren. After all you fully support the Warren Commission .

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 747am – no protests at all now that MikeT has given his definition of ‘regressive’. But we must remember that when the collectivist labels are used here, they are used within the context of the definitions established in the literature by those who chose their labels. But when MikeT calls me a regressive, it is a label for a semantic (posted here) that he himself has fashioned, and one that none so labeled would agree with. In that sense it is truly an intended pejorative.
    An analogy would be my definition and use of ‘raghead’. It is a label that none of those murderous religious zealots would use to identify themselves. It is an intended pejorative to communicate my feelings and elicit certain responses from various classes of readers. (BTW, I have found its use to be an efficient and extremely reliable indicator of the respondents’ larger political ideologies.)

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  22. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Been outside the US on several occasions, Russ.
    The majority of the people I met admire America.
    But not the version of it that the regressive movement favors!

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    You’re a smart guy why do you need that filter to determine someones political ideologies. In my opinion it’s mostly demeaning to you and I’m confounded as to why you want to do that. If all you are trying to accomplish is to rile up those who oppose you and get chest thumps from your loyal cadre fair enough. That again supports my “playground barker” view of what you intend to accomplish. A very basic question to you George. Why do you do this at all?

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Maybe PaulE and MikeT can start their own blog? Then you can enforce your own rules.
    BTW, the old saying a broken clock is right twice a day is how I would view the Warren Court. Mostly wrong for America but they did get a couple of things right.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE – “Why do you do this at all?” An excellent question that I ask myself daily; so far, the answer has been on this side of encouraging.
    The reasons are diverse, complex, and some of them personal. But for now, let’s say that RR provides an open forum for the airing of ideas and observations, some of which are unique, some of which people have/hold but are not/little exposed elsewhere, and all of which seem to be of interest to a growing and diverse cohort.
    Readers and commenters seem to like the kind of contentious debate that RR sponsors and makes available to a wider audience. Ultimately, I am a purveyor of ideas about society, Man, and his destiny. To the extent that you find them of interest – be they beguiling or outrageous – you will come.

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch reads my blog all the time as do the rest f the leftwingnuts. My pageviews are large. Some loons come there to just attack me personally and they never address the posts. Many of their attacks are very personal and Frisch does this as well. Since it is my blog and I could care less if Frisch or his cohorts can’t take a response to their attacks, I lose no sleep. Frisch and the rest of the leftwingnuts never answer any of the questions posed by commenters here an elsewhere but insist the rest of us do. I call that arrogant and a SOP of a liberal. What crack me up about these libs is they never criticize their own ilk’s nastiness and the use of ad hominem attacks on us. Tit for Tat, and Frisch and PaulE and the Annie’s and KenJ’s are just getting back what they insist on dishing out (I delete them for using profanity mostly). George just happens to be a much better wordsmith than people like me but I do enjoy him putting you libs in your place with words you don’t understand..

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  27. Russ Steele Avatar

    Mike,
    I am interested to discover how those you met outside the US separated the regressive America from the rest of America. What were the top five distinctive features they disliked about a regressive America? How did you transmit your definition of a regressive America to them for evaluation, or did they come up with it on their own? Did you get your definition from those you met? Perhaps some French students of Chaim Perelman’s regressive philosophy?

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    And do you understand his words Todd? It’s generally accepted that using obscure language is the sign of a weak argument. Not that we shouldn’t increase our vocabulary. Certain words convey unique meanings that can sometimes overcome our atavistic monochronism. What we really strive for is to be polychronistic to the extent of our God given potential to communicate.

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  29. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Correct me if I’m wrong – but in the totalitarian Governments of the last 50 yrs didn’t the party elite – rulers get all the best housing and cars and the populous got jack shit – other than bread lines and didn’t get any of the cavier they harvested ??
    Barry can probably answer this best

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  30. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Hope mine was clear enough Paul

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    Dammit PaulE, dodge and weave as I may, you always nail me. It must be that ol’ polychronistic faculty that let’s you keep an ever-vigilant eye on me, no matter what other doings dominate.

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  32. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yes indeed Dixon. The ruling class does lavish themselves. I was in Yugoslavia in 1981, shortly after the death of Tito. We were playing music living on the cheap going from town to town picking up gigs here and there. I remember everytown had at least one fancy hotel and most o the cars in the parking lots were identical black Mercedes with CB radio antennas. I asked my friend about it and he said “Communists, they always stay in the fancy hotels” He was of course referring to the Communist elite. They indeed lavished themselves while the people barely got by. The ruling class adorn their lives no matter what the political persuasion.

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  33. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Russ,
    I thoroughly enjoyed reading the questions you asked of Mike. I am curious and waiting for his answers.
    Could it be that Mike was raised in a dysfunctional Calvinist home? His definition of “regressive” causes this reader to ponder this possibility.

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  34. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I’d say bombing the crap out of them and exploiting their resources, while demeaning their people(s)cultural(s) and religion(s)had a tendency to come out on the top of the list, Russ.
    Supporting repressive dictators was another.
    And, yes indeed, Virginia. Democrats can be “regressives” as well!
    I’m sorry, but we didn’t discuss French philosophers….

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    “The ruling class adorn their lives no matter what the political persuasion.” Hence my criterion for the best form of governance has always been one that sustainably maximizes the minimum income opportunities in the social order.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I think of the use of the word “regressive” is appropriate not so much as a description of an individual but more as a nostalgia for pre 1910 when we had free land, cheap labor and little or no taxes and lots of room left for the exploitation of the worlds resources by conquering and pljundering other soverign lands (colonialism, imperialism). I keep asking for modern examples of admirable contemporary nations but none emerge except for a vague reference to the economic systems of a couple of Asian city states.

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  37. Barry Pruett Avatar

    “Correct me if I’m wrong – but in the totalitarian Governments of the last 50 yrs didn’t the party elite – rulers get all the best housing and cars and the populous got jack shit – other than bread lines and didn’t get any of the cavier they harvested ?? Barry can probably answer this best.”
    Funny you ask! I lived in two different places in Moscow. One had two rooms, 12 foot ceilings, on the third floor (bonus in Moscow to not be on ground floor), ornate architecture. It was beautiful. We left when the cops came around looking for bribes. The second place was on the ground floor, very small and plain. My Russian friends indicated to me that the ornate place was where the apparatchiks lived while the second place was where the commoners lived.
    Party elite had cars too. Commoners road the metro. Very true Dixon.

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  38. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Thanks Steve. Because Thornton did not answer maybe you can help me out. How does supporting and advocating individual liberty appeal to “pumped up false patriotism?”

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE re 1018am – does that there are so few “admirable contemporary nations” indicate to you that they may not be so admirable, and/or that there has been a worldwide shift towards more politically correct formats of governance?

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  40. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Because you only want “individual liberty” for people who can afford to BUY it, Barry!
    The policies that you advocate for make people who can’t pay for your brand of freedom, less free. However you hide behind buzz-phrase and simplistic patriotic jingoism as part of the misleading sales pitch. Get it?

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I was referring to your inability to give contemporary examples of countries that are “on the right track”. No doubt you can give many examples of those that are wrong, example being any nation that has a national health care, which is the entire modern world. Show me some examples that I can check out. Remember contemporary. No going back to 1910 nostalgic America or some mid evil central European plains state of 1450 or whenever.

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  42. dkeachie Avatar
    dkeachie

    “That “rich” segment was then taxed into the poorhouse by MikeT’s ilk since the Great Society went into gear.”
    Seems in other places the repubbys, regressives, Tea Party Symphs, all state that 50% of the country is paying no taxes, and thus, a sizable portion of the middle class pays no taxes, so that is not the problem. The problem is USA capitalism has gone abroad for the lowest labor costs. Abroad has responded well and become better educated and tooled up for manufacturing, and the money they make enables them to buy the goods they produce in sufficient quantity to make the American consumer unnecessary for the megaCorps. Except for a few service jobs, the megaCorps would just as soon have us all drop dead. But they are too polite to mention it, and instead send Romney to weedle us with the notion that all this overseas activity is just as sure as shoot’n bound to make a few jobs here. By reducing the quality of the k-12 schools and jacking the tuition at State colleges and universities, the megaCorps now hope to have a population dumb enough to believe Romney. The megaCorps may have succeeded in this effort.
    Regressive I thought referred to taxation, and in particular a system that taxed the wealthiest the least. It seems to me to be an excellent fit, and the are no pejoratives included. Do George, Dixon, Juvinall deny that they favor this sort of system?
    @George “But when MikeT calls me a regressive, it is a label for a semantic (posted here) that he himself has fashioned, and one that none so labeled would agree with. In that sense it is truly an intended pejorative.
    An analogy would be my definition and use of ‘raghead’. It is a label that none of those murderous religious zealots would use to identify themselves. It is an intended pejorative to communicate my feelings and elicit certain responses from various classes of readers. (BTW, I have found its use to be an efficient and extremely reliable indicator of the respondents’ larger political ideologies.)”
    I fail to see how you make Mike’s use of the term regressive into a pejorative. Ragheads has been a pejorative for ages. How many of the 1.1 billion or so Muslims do you, George, think should have the term “raghead” applied to them? All they all “murderous religious zealots” or just a very tiny majority?

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  43. dkeachie Avatar
    dkeachie

    “or just a very tiny majority?”
    should have been:
    “or just a very tiny minority?
    See George, even with my college degrees I got swept up into your enthusiasm for condemning a half billion people plus.

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  44. dkeachie Avatar
    dkeachie

    @Pruett:
    “Thanks Steve. Because Thornton did not answer maybe you can help me out. How does supporting and advocating individual liberty appeal to “pumped up false patriotism?””
    If you cannot find a job that pays enough to put a roof over your head, and food in your belly, and health care when needed, your much vaunted “individual liberty” gives a grand selection of places in which to die, just don’t do it on private property.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE – my inability to name more of them is because I cannot find any formerly free countries that are on what to me is the ‘right track’. There are plenty of formerly totalitarian countries that are liberalizing (see Bastiat Triangle) and are therefore on the right track but have yet to achieve any state that the US should emulate. As I have said many times before – rejoice, collectivism is winning.
    DougK (‘dkeachie’?) asks questions that have been answered here numerous times. But he does introduce the remarkable notion that it has been corporate America that has ruined the nation’s public school system to elect conservative politicians. Astounding. Would dearly like to see the data/rationale to back that one up. But I’m not holding my breath. Nevertheless, this allegation further defines the chasm.

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  46. Barry Pruett Avatar

    @Thornton and Keachie: Individual liberty gives me ability to create my own job. When government controls the channels of production (socialism), government impinges on my individual liberty and therefore impinges on my ability to create my own job…as well as my ability to create jobs for others as they move through society.
    Individual liberty is not purchased…it is free and provided to us by the Constitution. With indivdual liberty comes responsibility for one’s self. We are free to succeed or fail. My “brand of freedom” is making sure government is small in size and scope so that I can create.
    I came from Harvey, Illinois (look it up). I know what it is like to be denied things based on lack of funds. I also had the wonderful experience of watching my parents grow up and provide for us over time…by the bootstraps if you will. The wonderful thing about liberty is the ability to move through the levels in society. In my youth, my family was poor. Through hardwork of my parents, they are middle class. When the government does not pick winners and losers, everyone succeeds based on their own merits…as it should be.

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul is looking for a ghost regarding economic ideology. The USA is the first country in the history of the planet to pursue the freedom agenda and so I would say it has to be us he is looking for. The rest of the planet has small versions f us and in a purer form because they are small. Singapore, old Hong Kong, Macao. But the liberals have whittled away over the last 70 years and have modified the country into a anti freedom state of taxes, rules and regulations. We in effect have a police state. All the laws have a police presence if the laws are not followed and that goes for a person smoking a cigarette in the park.

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  48. George Rebane Avatar

    Let me amplify and, perhaps, simplify ToddJ’s “police state” argument. In the socialists’ Agenda21 world the rule is ‘If it’s still legal today, just wait until tomorrow.’ I suggest that this dictum may also be applied as a litmus test for reliably identifying progressives and their footprints.

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  49. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Here is where, George and I agree! (don’t worry Chuck, his wingnut membership isn’t in jeopardy either)
    What’s being discussed/debated here are two irreconcilable views of what the guiding principles and values of this nation should be.
    I guess you could argue, they could meet in the middle and be watered down versions of each other, but they are essentially incompatible.
    I don’t think it takes a genius to see that this incompatibility is what’s causing the political ans social/economic paralysis the USA is facing.
    To the degree that there has been any movement at all over the last (I’ll say 30 years)is that, the regressives have been waging an all out war and dragging the country father and farther towards their desired outcome.
    But people are now starting to wake up and fight back.
    You can argue about who is right and who is wrong, but when the progressive forces organize and start fighting the way the regressives have been doing, the country is going to come apart at the seams.
    You can bet your bottom dollar that, the brainwashed foot soldiers of the regressive movement will engage in full out violence and terrorism if they start losing ground.
    They’re being primed for this each and every day by the regressive propaganda complex.
    And while, I know he doesn’t see himself that way. George is part of it. I mean he’s not Glenn Beck or Bill-O the Clown, but he’s part of the regressive/wingnut wall of noise.
    And why do you think so many progressive have had it with Obama?
    Because they see him and the national Democrats as caving in, over and over, to avoid the fight that’s going to have to happen at some point, unless people are simply willing to give up and become the “Corporate States of Jesus Land”
    To be clear, I’m not advocating for violence!
    I’m simply saying that sooner or later we’re going to have to face the facts of what’s happening. Does that mean a new “Civil War” or the peaceful break up of the country, or one side or the other gaining total victory? I don’t know!
    I think I’m pretty clear on the fact that the RR Regressives won’t stand for the USA becoming a country with a progressive social equity/justice agenda. Just ask them.
    And how many of the progressives that read this blog are willing to live in a country where someone like Todd Juvinall makes the rules?

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  50. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    The Thornton’s of the world wake up and hate. They sit around all day and hate. They hate until their head hits the pillow at night. They will forever see the productive members of society as meal tickets; enemy targets. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They claim to celebrate diversity while cramming equality/collectivism down the throats of their fellow man. They push equality until it is time to pay their bills (progressive tax system debate anyone?). They hate the producers who have made it possible for them to live better than the kings of yesteryear. They worship government despite the wars which they claim to despise, middle and lower class KILLING debt (Anyone see Greece in the news?), failures of The State’s Education, Dept of Energy, etc. They are anti-war unless it is waged under a democratic president or is waged against the producers (pay your taxes or else!). If regression means a return to personal liberty I gladly wear such a label. The semantics are assbackwards… a progressive destroys and a “regressive” restores.

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