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Mr Paul Emery – KVMR news director, musical personage extraordinaire, bringer of arts, and erudite RR discussant – and I have been invited by the Nevada County TPP to engage in a moderated ‘civil discourse’ on issues of current interest as their featured special program for September.  The event will be held on the eve of 27 September in the Horseman’s Club lodge off Brunswick Road.

As readers may be aware, I am both a member of the NC TPP and a regular KVMR commentator.  However, both of us will be speaking as private individuals, neither claiming to represent the views of KVMR or the NC TPP.

The intent of the discussion and Q&A is to provide and explore today’s perspectives held by people of conservative and liberal persuasions in these contentious times.  (Paul and I are a self-declared ‘green libertarian’ and ‘conservetarian’ respectively.)  There will be no intent to make the exchange into a debate, but to keep it simply at the level of a comparative explication.

As a footnote of interest to this event, I want to draw your attention to the reaction of the local left after NC TPP announced the event and invited its attendance.  I was made aware by a regular reader that my participation in such an undertaking caused quite a dust-up on the blog of our former Union editor, Mr Jeff Pelline (here).  My correspondent supplied a copy of a comment stream from that blog which is faithfully replicated herein below.

Furthermore, I was also informed that progressives of many stripes presented themselves last week at the NC TPP’s fair booth to protest that the likes of me would be allowed to share a stage with Paul Emery.

Now what I find most interesting is that such people, who are virulently opposed to the very existence of the tea party movement and consider organizations like the NC TPP to be ‘terrorists’ and ‘hijackers’ of good governance, deign to publicly inject themselves as juries and judges of how the NC TPP may properly compose and undertake its gatherings.  Don’t get me wrong, such attempts to assess and control what is 'good, correct, and proper' in society is of a piece in the public implementation of progressive ideology.  Nevertheless, it is an illuminating confirmation to see it also being played out right here in Nevada County.

And below is the view from Mr Pelline’s blog, a left-shoulder venue that often and ardently proclaims its residence in the middle of the road.  The verbiage and vituperation is by Mr Steven Frisch, CEO of the Sierra Business Council, leading light of the county's left, and RR commenter.  The reader is, of course, invited to validate from these pages Mr Frisch’s vitriolic allegations.


Steven Frisch
Do you think Paul will ask George about:
1) his continued use of the term ‘raghead’
2) his contention that Islam is a religion of hate and thus must be resisted by American ‘patriots’
3) his contention that western civilization faces a threat the equal of the invasion of Europe by Muslims beginning in the 9th century and his comparison of modern times to the Crusades
4) his use of racial stereotypes to describe and refer to the President of the United States
5) his condoning the use of the term ‘jiggaboo’ on his web site
6) his believe in and promotion of separatism through the advancement of the concept of ‘the great divide’
7) his characterization of anyone who does not accept his radical right wing philosophy as a communist   his use of ‘dog whistle’ messages to relay one thing to true believers while appearing to be rational to the uninitiated
9) precisely what he means by “The right of a culture to endure and thrive in its homeland.”
Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I am an American, I do not have a Fatherland, I have a country that I have worked for and love, not a belief system that must predominate over others in order to cement my identity.
I fear that civil means ‘kid-glove’.
WE CAN NOT keep treating these people with kid gloves. They are promoting a radical agenda, that is antithetical to core American values, that will lead to the destruction and dissolution of our nation.
They are not Patriots. They do not own that word.
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Steven Frisch
I’m actually wondering why Paul would do this with George rather than a board member or officer?
Here are the board members:
Stan Meckler – President
Nancy Garcia – Vice President
Donna Burley – Secretary
Jodi Davis – Treasurer
Lou Wilson – Events
Randi Briggs – Mail/Phone
David Swift – Communications
Shelly Rose – Next Generation
Rick Briggs – Phone Tree
Sue McGuire – Volunteers
Elaine Meckler – At Large
Eddie Garcia – At Large
Jerry Cadick – At Large
My guess is that George will be able to shield the impact of his statements on the broader group, should there be a ‘macaca moment’, by stating up front that he is not speaking on behalf of the NCTPP.
In which case this is just window dressing bullshit.
I want the KVMR news director to do some old fashioned NEWS.
You know, hard news; like what is the real agenda of the TPP relative to Mark Meckler’s 40 year plan that is available on You Tube? where did the $1 million the California TPP’s get come from? What is the relationship between Don Blankenship, Massey Energy and Verizon and the TPP? How about Freedom Works?
If the Tea Party movement is all about transparency in government why do they maintain a distributed network (kind of like terrorist cells) that make it impossible to understand the relationship between the groups?
Or issues like what is their tax status and can we see their 990′s and audited financial statements? if they are a 501c-4, how can they say they are not a political organization since the intent of a c-4, or ‘social welfare organization’ is to engage in politics? if they are ‘non-partisan’ why do they only endorse Republicans? how can they say they are not a political organization when the definition of powers for a c-4 is: “501(c)(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501(c)(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as campaigning is not the organization’s primary purpose.” Can they honestly say that the organizations primary purpose is not campaigning? how can we see that?
Hey Tea Party, do you share George’s desire for a culturally pure homeland?
How about a little less commentary from a wanna be intellectual and some more hard friggin’ hard NEWS?
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Steven Frisch
Here is good example of the attack on diversity found on George’s blog:
“British social scientists are quietly starting to ascribe the cause of the ongoing riots in the UK to multi-culturalism (gasp!). It seems that there is insufficient reason to suspect deprivation of this sort or that since Great Britain is one of the most socially generous and culture-compliant countries in the world. The rioters have been mostly black Africans who have attacked the shops and businesses of other ethnic groups in UK’s major cities. (The police shot one of their gang members.) In response, the target ethnics – Pakistanis, Sikhs, Turks, … – have coagulated into defensive ethno-centric vigilante platoons since police protection is sparse and late. Prime Minister Cameron and other European leaders have already gone public with their assessments of how mulikulti affects their respective countries. Tough reporting job for the leftwing press.”
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/08/ruminations-11aug2011.html#comments
Notice there is no reference to which ‘British social scientists’ are ascribing the cause of the rioting to multiculturalism. Notice that George discounts “deprivation” as a cause, even though numerous British sources have pointed directly at the austerity plans, and anger over them, as a cause (call me on it and I will cite sources). Notice that George implies that European leaders are ascribing these riots to race, when in reality David Cameron has been quite clear that he ascribes them to criminality. Notice that George calls protecting ones property “defensive ethno-centirc vigilante platoons”; one wonders if, as a property rights advocate, he would define white middle-class residents the same way? Notice that George ignores the fact that MANY of the rioters arrested were white, middle class, opportunists, rather than people motivated by some multicultural revenge agenda.
This is once again an example of how George engages in dog whistle racist political messages.
I know a racist, a religious bigot, and an intellectually dishonest propagandist, when I see one.

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188 responses to “An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The liberals are a hoot!
    BTW, we don’t answer questions from liberals much any more becasue we have learned they never answer ours. And the liberal uses any answer to further bludgeon so we all have Rush Limbaugh’s favorite protection, Lifelock to block liberals. LOL.

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  2. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Not only is the security blanket a sham, but the silence from KVMR’s board to this is deafening.
    Most news outlets have ethics policies about participating in political events like this.
    “Journalists do not take part in politics. While staff members are entitled to vote and to register in party primaries, they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of our news operations,” as the New York Times states. More details here.
    http://www.nytco.com/press/ethics.html#voting
    The tea party has been working hard to “co-opt” members of the local media. They somehow think it will make a difference.

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  3. Shirly Treu Avatar
    Shirly Treu

    Frisch and Pelline continue to exemplify the HATE driven ideology of the extreme left in our community. They are not capable of productively contributing to a discussion. They are masters of propaganda, demagoguery and personal defamation (bullies); nothing more.
    They remind me of Doc Holliday’s analysis of Johnny Ringo in the movie Tombstone.
    Wyatt Earp: What does [Johnny Ringo] need?
    Doc Holliday: Revenge.
    Wyatt Earp: For what?
    Doc Holliday: Being born.

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  4. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The problem is that none of the candidates, including Ron Paul, or the sitting President are dealing with the new reality of sky high energy prices, an expanding global population, a much more educated global population, such that 1st world goods are readily made at 3rd world prices in 3rd world places, and that this is destroying the standards of living, those in the first world, have become used to.
    From the standpoint of the 1st world überrich, they are now saddled with surplus useless whiney home populations, who have the audacity to no longer be able to afford the goods the überrich have gone to the trouble of having made so cheaply abroad. “Must sell to third world employees instead, not too much of a problem, better beef up our gated communities. Do we have a plan for the National Guard to be employed “protecting” them?” This quote is from a figment of my imagination, and not GG.
    From the standpoint of the former middle and working classes, the überrich are stealing the heritage and defense secrets of the nation, and shipping them willy-nilly abroad, and hoarding all the profits, as they reduce the USA economy to shambles. The decisions to export the economy lock, stock, and factory plans and patents abroad, were made in the boardrooms of America’s corporations, not by Union leaders or the rank and file.
    As soon as the Chinese figure out how to track and destroy the nuke missile subs, the USA is over. No defense works forever. Fort Point fell to the rifled round, the Maginot Line to the maneuverable tank, Japan’s Kamakazi’s to the nuke bomb, and so on.
    How soon will it be before China lands a man/woman on Mars? The überrich have sold out the country for the next quarter’s profits, and sadly lack vision and will to provide the “guidance” ascribed to them by so many of those who tout their leadership of the Republic.
    Douglas Keachie, August 2011

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  5. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    “Shirly Treu”? Barry, can you look her up on the voter registration list you so often quote?

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  6. Ben Emery Avatar

    I defend the actual grass roots faction Tea Party all the time, I disagree with their solutions but defend and agree with the anger at the failure of our government. One day the grassroots Tea Party are going to figure out our government is broken because it has been corrupted, owned, and controlled by huge money corporate interests. Our government represents their interests not ours. Until this happens we are going to continue to see ugly threads like “An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots” on Rebane’s Rumminations.
    Big Corporate profits record highs, CEO pay record highs, Corporate effective tax rate one of the lowest in developed world, Top 1% effective tax rates record lows, average worker income dropping, manufacturing leaving the country as unprecedented pace, and raising revenue by closing loopholes and raising taxes on the wealthy isn’t an option but cutting social programs is the way to prosperity. WAKE UP!!

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  7. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Well “Shirley True” when a man is exposing hate by calling out a ‘community leader’ for using terms like “rag head”, allowing the use of “jiggaboo”, calling Islam a religion of hate, preaching separatism, and calling for the hurrying of the ‘Great Divide”, I guess a few toes are going to get stepped on. Put on your big girl pants and read the history on this blog, make sure you go back at least 2 years, and perhaps one day you, or your alter ego hiding behind a pen name like a coward, will get it.

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  8. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Ooops, I did not even notice that Todd does not know how to spell ‘true’, ironic isn’t it?

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  9. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Ben,
    The ugly threads you see here have become a hallmark of the vocal extreme-right politicos in our community, led by the likes of Todd Juvinall, Barry Pruett and “aided and abetted” by the likes of George Rebane and his truly bigoted comments. Trust me, though, it also sickens the moderate GOPers in our community and you’re going to see some big push back coming soon. Many, many people are tired of it. Stay tuned.

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  10. Shirly Treu Avatar
    Shirly Treu

    LOL Pelline doesn’t even trust his boy at the county recorder office to look up names- afraid he may steal some names from a neighboring county?
    it did not take long for peeline and frisch to provide examples for my earlier post.

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Surely Treu, you have called these liberals out and look at their responses. More delusion. Frisch seems to enjoy writing the terms again and again he claims he hates but my guess is he s what he claims others to be (it must be a mental disorder?). The reason no one here gives him any thought when he whines about namecalling is because he is the worst. He calls us all kinds of childish names then cries a river when confronted with his hypocrisy.
    Now Pelline state in a recent post that Paul should not be involved in political discussions because he works for KVMR! And he is a journalist! Say what? Pelline has told us he is a “journalist” yet he traveled to the Nevada City Hall Chambers in his PJ’s to testify about the homeless. He even offered his home to the homeless. What is that if that isn’t involving oneself in the issues? Oh, and how did that go Pelline? Any takers? I likes the Bergman comment about maybe you should use that boat parked in your front yard for their housing. What a hoot!

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  12. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Here’s the deal Todd, I don’t restrain myself here because George does not restrain your ilk. I was faced with a choice, fight back, or allow your radical, un-patriotic, ill researched, emotionally charged rants and personal attacks to go unchallenged. I have repeatedly called for a truce of sorts, and more reasonable moderation of these blogs, to focus on issues, but both George and Russ have rejected such approaches, largely, I suspect, because no one would read them if not for the purulent nature of the content.
    It is a hallmark of my belief in free speech and fair play that I continue to call on George to moderate his blog more effectively so it can serve as a location for legitimate debate. But, alas, it is nothing but a collection of like-minded know-nothings.
    By the way “Shirley Treu” did you even think twice about the double-entendre (look it up Todd) of using the term ‘boy’ to describe Greg Diaz? My guess is you did, and did it intentionally to get a rise of of me or Jeff. You might want to look up the term ‘race-baiting’,

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    It’s true the Teeper Creatures are surly this morning, after Bachman blew off 5 million Elvis fans and their votes too, yesterday, but the you do need to remember, The Tea Party, no more “owns” the USA than the Chrysler Corporation owns Plymouth Rock.

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  14. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So George proudly uses and even defends the disgusting term “raghead” he uses here often and other posters here defend this.
    So what about “spic” and “kike”? Are these racist terms? Well these are racist, disgusting, derogatory slurs, just like “raghead”.
    So if “raghead” is fine to use what about “spic” and “kike”?

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  15. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    It seems George has lost control of his blog — again.

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  16. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    So George, since you doth protest, how about you answer the questions I put to you, based on your statement on this blog:
    Do you believe the use of the term “rag head” is bigoted?
    Do you believe Islam is a religion of hate?
    Do you believe Islam, as a religious movement, must be resisted in any special way (by that I mean anyway not uniformly applied to ALL religions) in the United States?
    Do you regularly compare the current condition to the Crusades? and if so do you intend to inflame conflict between Christians and Muslims?
    Do you believe you have, or you have allowed your posters too, use racial stereotypes to describe and refer to the President of the United States?
    Did you remove the word ‘jiggaboo’ when it was used by a poster on this site to inflame the debate?
    Do you promote the idea of like minded people being able to band together or self select in enclaves, and if so how would you keep out people who are not like minded?
    What, precisely do you mean by “The right of a culture to endure and thrive in its homeland.”
    How would you control influences that are not part of that culture?
    The host doth protest too much, methinks!

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  17. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Steve, why don’t you (maybe you do?) start you own little blog?
    Then you can state what you wish, rather than couching your thinking is questions to someone who has NO responsibility to answer you?
    Or maybe you just like trying to play the “gat cha” game!
    Pretty petty.
    And to Pelline, your blog doesn’t seem to generate much interesting activity, just a lot of choir singers!

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  18. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    “Oh no, Mr. Bill, help, help: The sock puppets are after me!”

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    @KathyJ,
    “And to Pelline, your blog doesn’t seem to generate much interesting activity, just a lot of choir singers!”
    If we all go elsewhere, then George’s blog will be just that. Pelline and George combined have made for an excellent replacement for The Union’s now closed commenting sections. TownTalk is a joke.

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  20. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey Kathy, look at the top post!–I am responding to a post by George that specifically mentions me, and my belief and comments that his language has been racially charged and bigoted. He copied my statements from another blog and posted them here. If George wanted to ignore this he could have and not another word would have been said here. I’m wondering why he did that if he did not expect debate?

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  21. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals
    * Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
    * Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
    As is readily apparent from my earlier post, as confirmed with the subsequent posts from our local left, Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals are clearly being employed here.
    Only one post by Pelline addresses the issues, and instead of discussing the pending civil discourse of George and Paul, he would rather continue his path of further ridiculing and polarizing our local community.
    I commend both Paul and George for participating in what I am sure will be a civil discourse of ideas instead of resorting to wrongful personalization. The pending civil discourse of George and Paul is a testament to how our local community should communicate and a testament to the Tea Party for organizing it. We should embrace the civil discussion of issues.

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  22. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Doug, I don’t see where Pelline’s blog has made an “excellent” replacement. All I see there, for the most part, are “blues” saying their same old thing, and talking to each other.
    I must say Rebane’s blog has a much more interesting variety of comments.
    The “blues” are not forced to make comments here!

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  23. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Steve, if you post something online it is fodder for anyone to repost. I know it sucks for you, but hey, that is the nature of public statements! At least he gave you credit:)

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  24. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    There is no greater polarizing force in our community than tea party advocate Barry Pruett, Todd Juvinall and many of the regular commenters on this blog. Barry’s shellacking in the clerk recorder race — losing every single precinct — is a testament to his widespread unpopularity. Yet he still tries to make himself relevant by coming to this blog and making irrelevant statements. He has yet to address any of the real issues being raised in this post:
    •The ethics of journalist Paul Emery (KVMR’s news director) participating in a political gathering — forbidden in the ethics policy of the New York Times, for example.
    •The allegations of bigotry that appear here, an ongoing concern that keeps getting swept under the rug.
    •The tea party’s role in dividing, not uniting, our community.
    Barry prides himself on being a Rotarian, but he ought to read up on the “four-way” test before he makes such outlandish statements. http://www.rotary.org/en/mediaandnews/news/pages/070917_news_four-waytest.aspx
    Come to think of it, George is a Rotarian too. Wow.

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  25. Barry Pruett Avatar

    “The ethics of journalist Paul Emery (KVMR’s news director) participating in a political gathering — forbidden in the ethics policy of the New York Times, for example.” It may be a tad hypocritical for you to point out this allegation having contributed yourself, as a “journalist,” to political campaigns locally. Further, the assertion that this event is “political” is highly dubious, as it is a discussion of ideology and not partisan politics.
    “The allegations of bigotry that appear here, an ongoing concern that keeps getting swept under the rug.” Allegations of bigotry, by you and Steve, have nothing to do with the ideological discussion in which Paul and George will participate. Your “opinions” on the matter are designed to insight further polarization.
    “The tea party’s role in dividing, not uniting, our community.” Clearly, by hosting this civil discord, the Tea Party is seeking to educate the public on both sides of ideological issues. This educational aspect should be celebrated by both sides of the spectrum, not personally chastised.
    In all of my posts today, I have repeatedly urged you to “build goodwill and better friendships,” but thus far, you do not appear to be interested. Instead of seeking to further polarize the community, seeking to find common ground and “build goodwill and better friendships” would be “beneficial to all concerned.”
    Don’t you agree?

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  26. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Citing the “ethics policy of the New York Times” is humorous!
    Pelline’s blog is FILLED with bigotry (intolerance toward those who hold different opinions). Some people need to pull the splinter out of their own eye!
    It appears the TPP have stated their goals for America: Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets. Where have the TPP stated their role is to divide any community? It appears their role is to wake up Americans who have become soft and fat as they have given up their rugged former individualism. This sloppy laziness of personal responsibility appears to be what has divided the America so many fought and died to secure.

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  27. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    George,
    You keep casting out that same old tatty ripped up piece of bait; why do they keep hitting on it?

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  28. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    I love how you guys claim the high road while claiming, or condoning those who claim, that those who disagrees with you are a communists, socialists, communalist, rent seekers,mentally ill, ill educated, fat, or ugly.
    You are standing on sand BOYS.

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  29. King Keachie the First (why not, everyone else here is doing it) Avatar
    King Keachie the First (why not, everyone else here is doing it)

    I posted the main issues facing this country, very plainly, and the rest of you are engaged in playground “nyah nyah nyahs.”

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  30. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    When did the word, “patriot”, become associated with the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party Movement (the official title according to Conservapedia, the premier right wing online encyclopedia)?
    As a mantra, T-E-A is a noble enough cause; but it is not a party and the word, patriot, is redundant.
    The T-E-A group might want to better define itself so that the rank and file don’t have to automatically throw the likes of a Warren Buffett under the bus, if Buffett supports the idea of increasing the taxes on the super-rich.

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  31. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Barry,
    This is becoming a time sink, but you are lying (again).
    •”Here is the wording that the TP’s will be using in all promotion in describing me,” according to an email sent to me by Paul Emery. “There will be no reference to KVMR. Paul Emery, musician, news broadcaster and self described Green Libertarian.”
    Yet the invitation on the tea party website still reads:
    “SPECIAL EVENING MEETING – Tuesday, September 27 – 6:30 pm
    Horsemen’s Club – 10600 Bubbling Wells Rd., G.V.
    A CIVIL DISCUSSION. Paul Emery (KVMR News Director) & George Rebane (Systems Scientist and Conservative Commentator) meet for a civil discussion of today’s issues.
    NO CHARGE — ALL POLITICAL PERSUASIONS WELCOME!”
    http://nctpp.org/5-lunch/
    •KVMR News Director Paul Emery is a paid journalist, not a blogger, yet attending this political event violates newsroom ethics policies, including the NY Times. “”Journalists do not take part in politics. While staff members are entitled to vote and to register in party primaries, they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of our news operations,” as the New York Times states. More details here.
    http://www.nytco.com/press/ethics.html#voting
    •The allegations of bigotry here have concerned KVMR’s own membership, not just “me and Steve,” who also have raised objections.
    •The tea party has lied as well about being interviewed by KVMR. “Will KVMR stand up to tea party bullying?” is here:
    http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2011/01/20/will-kvmr-stand-up-to-local-tea-party-bullying/
    It appears the tea party and activists like you are borrowing from “Alinsky’s rules for radicals.” The problem in our community is the extreme right, not the extreme left, and you are part of it. Ask any moderate Republican.
    You also flunked the Rotary’s “four way” test (again). After all, the very first one reads “is it the truth?”:
    http://www.rotary.org/en/mediaandnews/news/pages/070917_news_four-waytest.aspx

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  32. Barry Pruett Avatar

    You have failed to directly address any of my points. You have also not pointed out one thing which I stated that is untrue.
    I have repeatedly urged you to “build goodwill and better friendships,” but thus far, you do not appear to be interested. Instead of seeking to further polarize the community, seeking to find common ground and “build goodwill and better friendships” would be “beneficial to all concerned.”
    I will respectfully ask you one last time…don’t you agree?

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  33. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    I have addressed all your points. You just don’t like the answers. You are doing the Republican Party in our community a very big disservice. Ask any moderate Republican.

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  34. Barry Pruett Avatar

    I will take your non-responsive answer, as you are not interested in “building goodwill and better friendships,” but would rather seek to further polarize the community. That’s cool. Just so long as we all know from where each of us is coming.
    I will definitely be at the Tea Party civil discourse between Paul and George. It is a way to build goodwill by educating the public through civil discourse. Thanks to Paul and George for volunteering to give the public (in a civil manner) an idea of how our views differ. If we are lucky, we may even find a few things upon which George and Paul agree!

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  35. RL Crabb Avatar

    Just reading JP’s blog and following a disagreement between two participants over Obama. When the argument gets uncomfortable, the race card gets thrown out in desperation, again. Who exactly are the racists in this dialogue?
    Also, I guess Jeff missed Rich Ullery’s opinion piece in THe Union Today. Another Republican refusing to be moderate. Who exactly are these moderates? They don’t seem to be voting the way Jeff thinks they should.
    The Tea Party presents its own set of contradictions. The supposedly ‘non-social agenda’ which is about as real as Bugs Bunny. I keep asking them to be honest about it, but I never get an honest answer. One of the things I always liked about conservatives was that you could always get a straight, direct answer from them. Doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
    So far, we have Biden calling the Tea Party terrorists and Perry calling the Fed chair treasonous. Looks like we’re off and running to the 2012 election.

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  36. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    RL,
    I am quite sure there is a broad line of “social” beliefs among TPP. That being said, social issues will never be a driving force behind the TPP. The “blues” keeping demanding the TPP, as an organization, take stands on social issues that are near and dear to the “blues”. You could even say the “blues” are bigots about the fact the TPP won’t take on social issues. You can ask a TPP their personal opinion about any social issue (and you will get all varieties of very different responses), but their response will purely be personal opinion, not one of the TPP.
    This TPP stance is so irritating to the “blues”!
    ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~
    PS ROFLOL some people post a link to their own blog here! Need readers?

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  37. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Anybody wanna bet – Peeline will NOT be at the disscussion BUT the next day will be an expert at what was said
    Any takers??

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    My objectives for ‘An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots’ were threefold. First, to support the TPP’s efforts to publicize the event; second, to highlight the well-known form and nature of the local left’s eternal requirement to control/dominate community dialogue here and elsewhere; and third, to provide an open forum where various perspectives on the event can be aired, and, in the airing, the public character of their authors reprised. The piece appears to have nailed all objectives.
    Rebane’s Ruminations is a log of my commentaries on divers topics. It is a lasting archive for my readers and me to recall and review my opinions, and also the reactions/expansions that these commentaries brought forth in their appended comment streams. For readers and commenters who wish to substantiate any allegations they make against me, they have only to cite chapter and verse from RR that ground their charges – my writings stand as published herein. In short, use what I have written to condemn me, and thereby demonstrate to all the power of your thought and nature of your attack. Else the allegations stand in empty witness to bitter minds similarly appointed.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    RL, would you believe them if they said they did have a social agenda? It seems you are not a very trusting person. What would their secret agenda be? Also, the TPP is made up of thousands of groups so you must be privy to a secret manifesto? I am not a TPP member but I certainly agree with their fiscal policy.
    Croul, you seem to think the TPP should not use the word Patriot? Why is that? I would suggest they can use any word they want. There are socialist and communist groups that also use the word Patriot here in the USA. Is that a problem with you?
    Pelline. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Barry asked you how you could be living under your own “ethics” while donating to political causes and writing about political ideology. You seem to have an opinion on just about everything conservative so I guess you would be the local version of Keith Olbermann? No one listens to him either.
    Frisch. You seem to like repeating those naughty words here you say you dislike. Why do you do that? Is that something that gives you a tingle up your leg? You come to these blogs and fib through your teeth about most everyone you write about. You are what I call a phony-baloney. Tragically, you and Obama are one with the universe. When your hypocrisy gets called out you do the typical liberal ploy of deny and divert. Sorry, as you can read here, we all have you figured out.
    Enos, you seem to like to stir things up then claim you are pure. We have you figured out as well. Doesn’t work here.
    Paul and George will certainly have a civil discussion in front of many people from our county and I am sure it will be interesting. Paul is an individual as is George but the community needs to know their backgrounds and Paul is a KVMR guy, that is all the TPP website says. Pelline seems to not like that and I think he and Frisch are simply jealous. Bottom line is those two wish they were Paul and George and given a forum other than the failed blog of Pelline.

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  40. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    I think I have it………….
    ‘Brain-eating amoeba’ claims second victim this month…

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  41. Bonnie M Avatar
    Bonnie M

    Bravo Todd! You pretty much hit the nail on the head about these people pretending to be liberal minded.

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  42. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Dixion… I saw in the news it’s now three killed by a ‘Brain-eating amoeba’ found in fresh water… all in FLORIDA.

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  43. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Yep always there and always one or two a year when the water gets hot

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  44. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    No responses to this, let’s ask again:
    George proudly uses and even defends the disgusting term “raghead” he uses here often and other posters here defend this.
    So what about “spic” and “kike”? Are these racist terms?
    Well these are all racist, disgusting, derogatory slurs, just like “raghead”.
    So if “raghead” is fine to use what about “spic” and “kike”?

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Bonnie as you can read above, the liberal keeps posting those words they say enrage them. Is that funny or what?

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  46. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Polls show that disapproval of the Tea Party is climbing. In April 2010, a New York Times/CBS News survey found that 18 percent of Americans had an unfavorable opinion of it, 21 percent had a favorable opinion and 46 percent had not heard enough. Now, 14 months later, Tea Party supporters have slipped to 20 percent, while their opponents have more than doubled, to 40 percent.
    Of course, politicians of all stripes are not faring well among the public these days. But in data recently collected, the Tea Party ranks lower than any of the 23 other groups we asked about — lower than both Republicans and Democrats. It is even less popular than much maligned groups like “atheists” and “Muslims.”
    Interestingly, one group that approaches the Tea Party in unpopularity is the Christian Right.

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  47. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    The local PC “blues” have their feathers all ruffled.
    Did these local “blues” get upset by use of words like Tea Bagger, sock puppets, nuts you up, etc., which they love to toss out freely.
    Maybe it would be wise to sweep clean the disgusting name calling from some other people’s little blogs before trying to make a point here!

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The TPP is more popular than Obama but the left hides from that. What a hoot!

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    What poll do you get that from?? I find quite the opposite. Please help me out here. You might go here to check out your facts.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm
    Obama job approval
    Washington Post 44 46 – 2
    Fox RV 42 48 – 6
    Ipsos/Reuters *45 52 – 7
    CNN/ORC 44 54 – 10
    USA Today/Gallup 47 50 – 3
    McClatchy-Marist RV 44 46 – 2
    CNN/ORC Poll. Aug. 5-7, 2011. N=1,008 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.
    “We’d like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people — or if you have never heard of them. The Tea Party movement.”
    8/5-7/11
    Favorable Unfavorable Never heard of Unsure
    % % % %
    31 51 5 13
    USA Today/Gallup Poll. Aug. 4-7, 2011. N=1,204 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.
    “Thinking again about how you might vote for Congress, would you, personally, be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who was supported by the Tea Party movement, would it not make a difference to your vote, or would you be less likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who was supported by the Tea Party movement?” Options rotated
    8/4-7/11
    More Likely 23 Less Likely 42 no difference 30 unsure 5

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