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George Rebane

President Obama posted what he vouched as his genuine Hawaii birth certificate the other day (here).  The intent was to finally put to rest the innuendos, claims, and downright charges that he is not a ‘natural born American’.   But given the image analysis tools broadly available today, along with a remarkable amount of well dispersed knowledge about image processing, the posted birth certificate raises more questions than it answers.

With some background in the theory and practice of image analysis, I found the arguments in this YouTube video illuminating and at the same time disturbing.  The question that resonates in my brainbone is ‘why would anyone from the White House think that this image of the birth certificate would pass muster?’  This dust-devil just wants to become a tornado.  You be the judge.

H/T for the email from a reader.

[4may2011 update]  The White House presented birth certificate is now becoming laughable.  The above image analysis was expended and explicated in this YouTube video.  To accept the certificate as authentic now requires the suspension of disbelief usually attributed to religious fanatics.  All that remains for the hard left to do is to just talk past this which does happen to be real evidence that the WH posted long form birth certificate is a doctored fake.  H/T to a reader.

[15may2011 update]  To bring the WH posted birth certificate issue to closure, I sent the following email to our Congressman Tom McClintock on 4 May 2011 with a copy to his chief of staff Igor Birman.

Hi Tom – I’m sure you’re aware of it by now, but the WH posted pdf of the President’s “scanned” birth certificate is a doctored fake.  I pulled down the image myself, and viewed it in Adobe Acrobat Professional to confirm the analyses available on YouTube.  My own post on the subject is here
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/05/the-birth-certificate-from-hell.html

I don’t know what the politics behind this fakery is or how it should be played, but I would like to know 1) any additional info you have on the posted birth certificate, and 2) what, if any, official reaction will you have toward this latest ‘proof’.

Thank you the great job, and for hanging in there for us,
George

And on 12 May 2011 I followed up with an email to Igor Birman that read –

Hi Igor – this birth certificate issue must really be one too hot to handle.  I made no birther claim, only corroborated (in my capacity as a registered professional engineer in the relevant technologies) that the WH posted birth certificate pdf is a fake.  If you don’t want to address that blatant fact, can you at least tell me what is the strategy of silence over this clumsy posting on the WH website?  In short, if Tom believes it to be authentic, and that it settles the matter, then please tell us.

Thanks,
gjr

To these emails I received the following reply.

[16may2011 update]  The subsequent exchange today between Igor Birman and me may put paid to the above developments.

Hi George:

First, please forgive the tardiness of my reply. Last week presented far more material than could be digested, so I am writing you back from a United A319 cruising at 38,000 feet over Ohio en route to California.

Our office never had the time to examine the birth certificate, so your findings concern me. You may have heard this before – we did have the time to send Brittan Specht to the Library of Congress to find the original newspaper bearing Obama's birth announcement in Honolulu. If the conspiracy to make him a natural-born citizen extends that far back, we are in more trouble than we realize.

The more important point for me is this: there is a finite amount of time between now and the election. We can either spend the next 17.5 months debating where Obama was born, or we can invest every moment of our time and every ounce of our energy into making a case against his reckless monetary policy, bungled bailouts, forcing Soviet-style healthcare on the country, wild spending, naked hostility to domestic energy production, etc. I can assure you that on the latter we have the rapt attention of almost every American. I don't know what percentage is paying attention to the former, but I can also assure you that it is a smaller figure. I am afraid that if we don't focus like a laser on the tangible consequences (present and future) of Obama's misadventures in the White House, we will allow him to skate on through into a second term.

Let me know what you think!

All the best,
-Igor

To which I replied –

Igor, thank you for the reply – well formed and to the point.  With your permission, I would like to publish it and my response.  In sum, I agree with your resource allocation decision in the face of ‘limited bandwidth’ that the congressman has at his disposal.  My caveats on the issue are intended to be added arrows in Tom’s quiver should the appropriate occasion arise.  I list them below –

  1. As pointed out by several other commentators, the Honolulu newspaper birth announcement is not a validation of anything per se.  Newspapers don’t vet the accuracy of classified ads.  Such ads have been placed regularly for decades, and for a number of reasons by people who think ahead.  As concerned collectivist thinkers and activists, Obama’s parents most certainly had the ability and motive to think and act strategically in this manner.  Many illegal entrants do so regularly.
  2. The posted birth certificate (pdf) is represented by the WH as definitive proof of Obama’s birth.   Americans should take at its face value the WH declared objective, production pathway, and intended function of publishing this pdf in resolving the birth issue.
  3. Given #2, the FACT that the pdf is a modified document that could not have gone through the claimed production pathway – original paper document, file of scanned paper copy, conversion of file to pdf, posting pdf on WH website – makes the posted birth certificate a fake, and its representation to the American public a lie.
  4. None of this is proof, per se, that Obama’s birth situation violates the constitutional provision for the country’s presidency.  But, at a minimum, it sustains the proposition that Obama has yet to offer proof that he does satisfy the Constitution.  And the more, that for TBD reasons his administration (he?) has behaved fraudulently in the posting of the pdf.
  5. Any member of Congress can vet the authenticity of the pdf (for much less cost than sending someone to Honolulu to read newspaper archives) by asking a government funded unit such as the NSA or JPL to have their imaging experts look at the file for fifteen minutes, and report back on its purported authenticity viz its stated production pathway.  Or simply hire one of a legion of available private technical consultants to do so (I have already done it pro bono).  BTW, since we are dealing with a reproduced digital image, why the administration has not provided such accompanying bona fides is an additional mystery.

I hope this at least helps clarify my position on the matter.  Thanks again, and let me know when you’re next in town or striking distance.

gjr

Finally, my error in implying that Congressman McClintock's office sent someone to Honolulu instead of to the Libraty of Congress in Washington DC.

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142 responses to “The Birth Certificate from Hell (updated 16may2011)”

  1. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Mike Smith, you just hit a new low. I hope Rebane deletes your hate.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Just trying to get the level of things with those that condemn others for having questions. Seems as if you should look in the mirror about the act of conspiracy. Obama’s BC and Kennedy assassination. You tell us the difference in the act of questioning either one. Then tell us why your conspiracy thinking is any different than those who question the BC. Besides, Kennedy was a Catholic and we all know how prejudice Americans were against that religion. Hmm, was Oswald a Protestant?

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I am a non racist person so Mike Smith is just trying to create a problem. I think it is either Pelline or Enos using that name since I have never heard of this fellow. I have found these liberal racists just enjoy saying the naughty words.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Mike Smith is indeed a piece of work. His comments have been deleted. Apologies for not catching them sooner.

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  5. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Oh please Todd… your BS claims that “Mike Smith” is Pelline or Enos is just another example of your insanity.
    Geoerge… Todd’s post IS a personal, red herring attack, based on total BS. It’s like asking Todd if he still beats his girlfriend.
    Seems it did take very long for Todd to dump his “Sorry George, I’ll do better” commenting here.
    So George… is Todd’s post just fine with your standards here to stay on topic and stop the personal attacks or will you remove this lastest example of flamming, off topic BS by Todd.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Thanks George for deleting the racist comment by “Mike Smith”. Seems like the last refuge of a scoundrel is to claim someone is a racist. It is becoming clear there are people using phony monikers to shoot flames.

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  7. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Here’s a DIRECT, SPECIFIC response to Todd’s posts above:
    It gets hard to follow Todd’s positions as they change from one post to another.
    Here is the most recent example from his last two posts above:
    1. First Todd posted:
    “I have found these liberal racists just enjoy saying the naughty words”
    2. Right after that Todd posted this:
    “Seems like the last refuge of a scoundrel is to claim someone is a racist”
    If one applies Todd’s first post to his second stated positon it’s clear… Todd is calling himself a “scoundrel”.
    Enjoy your “last refuge” Todd.

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    To summarize Birthgate I have these observations. The Birth Certificate controversy is being confined to the shrill right and amateur detectives and pretty much abandoned even by Trump who is winding down operations before bailing out of the election. The Republican Party establishment has serious work to do and is disciplined enough to not get distracted by what is and always has been a dead horse. Besides, there is no way Obama would have survived the vetting of the Democratic Party when he became a serious candidate for President without this being discovered. And there’s the newspaper announcements that would have to involve fraudulent microfilm from two publications.
    The face that nearly 50% of all Republicans are Birthers has to have the the Repub leadership in a tizzy as they race to the middle for the next election cycle. Even Tom McClintock thinks it’s a waste of time. Is it possible? Sure it is. Is it likely? Not as I see it.
    The hard right has perhaps 25-30% of the electorate as they have for the last 20 years. Remember, Bush won as a Compassionate Conservative. Ron Paul will steal the show for a while but cooler heads will prevail and the Repubs will pick an insider like they always do and probably go with Romney who is the best match up to Obama. They might throw the fight like they did with McCain Pallen and concentrate on the Senate but even then they will be better served with a moderate Republican to soften up the middle.
    So in my opinion this is a moot point that will be old news soon as the election season grows nearer.
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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    When we are belittled for asking questions by the left, like the birth certificate, we know they have lost the argument. We win, they lose.

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  10. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Here’s another reason to drop the birther/birth certificate insanity…
    Have you birther folks ever read the Constitution and Title 8 of the US Code?
    Read Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution and Title 8 of the U.S. Code.
    You see even if Obama had been born in a foreign country (which he wasn’t) Obama could still be president of the United States of America as long as one of his parents was a U.S citizen…. duh! Can’t you birthers grasp this?
    President Obama’s mother was American. His late father was Kenyan. Under the U.S. Constitution and Title 8 of the U.S. Code one does not need to be born in the USA if one of the parents is an American! GOT IT?
    President Obama is one of several presidents with a foreign born parent. The Constitution provides for and allows this. GOT IT?
    But you birthers keep this up as it only shows how nuts you are. It’s just a pointless distraction from the real issues we face.
    But keep it up please as it undermines your efforts and helps President Obama and the Dem’s in the next election.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    I also believe it is likely that the Obama’s birth issue will soon be a moot point. The only thing that I would leave the reader with is that the “scanned” image of the Obama’s long form birth certificate posted by the White House is the absolute best that the White House has done to put the matter to bed once and for all.
    We recall that the place of Obama’s birth and the notion of its having legs in the upcoming campaign are two separate issues.

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  12. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    The birth certificate is meaningless for many reasons, but this is the main reason:
    President Obama’s mother was an American. His late father was Kenyan. Under the U.S. Constitution and Title 8 of the U.S. Code one does not need to be born in the USA to be President if one of the parents is an American.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Strong and clearly stated interpretation of the Constitution SteveE. Who else out there stands with you on that point?

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    I didn’t intend to belittle you with my opinion, I was only expressing mine. You’re such a sensitive guy. Blog on. I’m done with this

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  15. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Thorton sez “And Greg, that’s what you guys have been doing for a long, long time!”
    First, I’m not one of the “you guys”. Second, I don’t do the “it” in this case.

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  16. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul why so hostile?

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  17. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George… where was John McCain who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee for President in 2008 born?
    Hint… he was born in 1936 and not on USA soil.

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  18. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Steve…. Hint…. During the campaign, within days of the questions of McCain’s birth were being questioned by the press, McCain released a copy of his long form birth certificate that satisfied everybody.
    For some reason, the press never got after Obama to do the same.

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  19. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE, and neither was our first child (born in Germany) who is still qualified to run for President since Congress passed a law stating that children of citizens in government service overseas conform with the ‘natural born’ restriction of the Constitution. (I was in the Army.)
    Still waiting for something a bit stronger to buttress your argument.

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George… here’s some info for you. Foot Note 15 covers McCain:
    http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
    I’m sure all this is pointless as you have made it clear you are a birther.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE, thank you for settling the debate. By your reference your understanding of who is a natural born citizen is incorrect.
    By my declared definition and corroborated by your reference, I am not a birther.
    The long form birth certificate presented by the White House casts doubt as to its authenticity according to the representation made by the administration as to its image format.
    None of this proves that Obama was not born in the US, nor does it prove that he is not a natural born citizen. We only know that dubious “evidence” has been presented to make the case of his natural birth as required by the Constitution (please see 4may11 update in the post).

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  22. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Like I said… I’m sure all this is pointless as you have made it clear you are a birther.

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  23. Russ Steele Avatar

    The latest analysis is quite compelling, once the document layers are revealed and differences in the pre printed form are examined. This does not prove that Obama is not a natural born citizen, only that this from presented by the Presidents Office is a fake. Why go to this elaborate ruse? What is it that Obama is hiding. Both the live birth and the long form are fakes, according to this detailed analysis. Why?
    I would like to see Obama staff explain away this analysis. Perhaps this expert has over looked something. Even experts make mistakes. So, where is the counter analysis?

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  24. Russ Steele Avatar

    Oops. Should read “form presented”

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  25. John Galt Avatar

    What shall the name for this fraud be?
    LiarGate
    ImposterGate
    FraudGate
    CitizenGate
    FooledGate
    ForgeryGate
    I downloaded the PDF file file of the birth certificate from the whitehouse.gov website today. Anyone else can do the same. You can also download a trial version of Adobe Illustrator and use it for 30 days.
    It’s a fact that a scanner creates ONLY ONE LAYER, yet Obama’s PDF copy of his birth certificate from HIS OWN WEBSITE has multiple layers. Without question, the Birth Certificate on Whitehouse.gov is a FAKE.
    Funny, it’s always the coverup that gets them.

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  26. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    I am reading a lot of hysterical comments here. Just what is this histeria about? Is it about editing a document for clarification, to enhance information lost during the scanning process (I don’t call that “faking). Or, is it about Obama not being a US citizen for some reason?
    This birth certificate is not the same as Osama’s head shot photo. Anyone can view the record book containing the birth information.
    This witch hunt exemplifies the provincial mindset of the GOP.

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  27. Mike Thornton Avatar

    And while the birthers fiddle, The President kills Osama Bin Laden.
    Oh but that’s right, he’s faked that as well, right?
    And if the “Manchurian Muslim” can violate “International Law” and “assassinate” OBL, how long before he sends “Navy Seal Team 6” after his real enemies, Glenn Beck and Russ Steele?
    Oh that’s right, the Navy Seals didn’t really kill Osama, because they were actually off on the mission of making sure that no one who could possibly expose the truth, that Barak Hussein Obama (that was a clever “cover name”) has been groomed and protected for decades so that he could become President of the United States and sell us into Shari-a Slavery.
    Even John McCain was part of the plot and picked Sarah Palin to be his VP knowing full well that she would alienate enough voters to make sure that he lost the Presidency to Obama. In fact even “W” was part of the scam and cleverly refused to catch Osama Bin Laden so Obama could fake his capture and death, thereby convincing the gullible, that he really wasn’t a secret Muslim and supporter of the Caliphate as he goes to ground Zero and “pretends” to be a “real” American.
    Thanks Russ, for saving America!

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  28. John Galt Avatar

    Dear Brad and Mike,
    Since forged documents don’t bother you, perahps you’d accept some forged $20 bills? for payment.
    I just love the double standard exhibited on this blog. It’s a monument to tortured thniking.
    We learned during the Clinton adminstration that perjury is a crime, unless you’re a democratic president. (If you’re a white house aide for a Republican President you must go to jail.)
    Now, forgery is okay as long as you’re a Democratic President.
    Just another example of how Republicans seek to be a nation of laws, while Demoncrats, Commicrats, Marxicrats prefer a nation where the ends justify the means.

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  29. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Do you mean a “White House Aide” that outed a covert agent for the CIA and put our agents and assets around the world of capture and death? Or do you mean the dozens of criminals that went to jail who worked for Saint Ronnie Reagan? Or the group of criminals that worked for Richard Nixon?
    Those folks were actually all “convicted” of crimes!
    To the contrary the so-called “forgery” is a made up “conspiracy theory” that has been thoroughly debunked and is only being kept alive by hyper-partisan sufferers of “ODS”!

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think Galt means the fifty or more friends of Clinton and Clinton himself. I bet you liberals still believe the forged documents by Dan Rather are real don’t you? What a hoot.

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  31. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Rather didn’t forge the documents, Todd, he was given forged documents.
    However what you fail to mention is that while the documents were indeed forged the story about Bush and his ducking out on his military service was in fact still true!

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  32. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    My my, the commentary is… useless. Everyone seems hardwired into their preferred perceptions and reading the blather is pointless. Nuts. Meanwhile, the country lurches aimlessly. Sometimes I admire the Brits for having their “no confidence” mechanism. I have no confidence left in this administration, those who blindly prop it up, OR those who oppose it that cannot focus on the most expedient way to fire it – the next election.

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  33. Mike Thornton Avatar

    It’s hard to get direction when you have a group of folks that fail to deal with any facts at all, Bob!

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Bob, when people like Thornton still claim Bush was nowhere to be found while he showed that even his dentist proved he was where he claimed then you can see why there is a large gap. Dan Rather to this ay claims the documents were real and yet Thornton makes up his little story. Wow, no wonder no one believes “journalists” or “progressives.

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  35. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    For once in my life I agree with Bob Hobert–this conversation is useless, but it is because people are hardwired. Mike, you are making great points here, too bad they always fall on deaf ears, closed eyes, and shut minds.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    What a hoot. Liberal licking each others boots. What a surprise.
    I bet you think there was someone on the grassy knoll and the Bush documents were real too. Amazing.

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  37. John Galt Avatar

    Look, I wasn’t beating the drum on this birther thing before. I’m just looking at the facts.
    The Birth Certificate was manufactured.
    You don’t have to go do some conservative web site. Just download the PDF file from the blog on http://www.whitehouse.gov yourself and open it up with a trial version of Adobe Illustator…or send the file to your most liberal graphic artist.
    You will then see that that the published birth certificate has multiple layers…which is an impossible property of a scanned original file.
    By the way, Mike, I’ll help you throw all the crooked “White House Aide’s” into jail as long as you hold the same standard for The President himself.
    I can’t support double standards. We’re NOT a monarchy. Our governmenbt was established by the consent of the governed.
    Under oath (which I’m old enough to still believe means something) The President and other electeds swear to uphold the laws of our nation. Forgery is a breach of that oath.

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  38. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I know, Steve. I’ll do this until it gets boring.
    There are actually a couple of folks that post here, while a bit myopic and hyper-partisan, are fairly sharp and do have some facts to back up their arguments.
    Then, you’ve got TJ, who actually has the nerve to refer to other people as “bootlickers”. Now that’s a “hoot”!

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  39. John Galt Avatar

    Thanks Todd for the reminder on the Dan Blather forgery episode. And yes, I was referring to Bill Clinton’s perjury….which is interesting to compare to Barry Bond’s perjury trial. The one that involve national security issues was forgiven. The one that involves a game was taken pursued to the bitter end.

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  40. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Clinton lying about having had sex with an intern involved “national security issues”?
    And what was really great, was that a number of his most vocal detractors (at the time) were engaged in lying about and covering up illicit affairs of their own. The hypocrisy of the right wing is absolutely stunning!

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Then we have Scooter Libby. Even though he was proven not to be the person who “outed” the leftwingnut ex0CIA liberal woman, he was prosecuted for perjury because some statement he made during the investigation didn’t match up with a later statement. President Bush did the right thing with the commutation. s you can see Galt, the left posting here has no facts but lots of “feelings”. I love debunking a liberal, but sometimes it is boring, they are so easy.

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  42. John Galt Avatar

    Mike, Who are the “most vocal detractors (at the time)[that] were engaged in lying about and covering up illicit affairs of their own.” that you refer to above…and what conservatives were defending them. I doubt I was.
    Did you forget?, or do you dispute?, that Bill Clinton’s illicit sexual affair exposed the President of The United States (and ultimately the citizens he serves) to potential extortion etc.
    If an unfriendly power had learned of this information (which was freely discussed via unsecured phone calls) this could have compromised Bill Clinton’s decisions to the detriment of the citizens and our national security.
    Forgot? Dispute? Or Don’t care (doesn’t apply to baseball>?

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  43. Mike Thornton Avatar

    OMG.
    Lets see if I have this right.
    You can out a CIA agent if she’s a “Liberal Woman” and Clinton would have become a foreign agent over a BJ!
    We can start with Newt (I’m the hypocrite that divorced my wife while she was dying from Cancer) Gingrich.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Don’t condone Newt, so what is your problem? I guess your facts about Libby are made up and now you believe them eh?

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  45. Russ Steele Avatar

    Mike T, Steve E, & Brad:
    Let’s stop trying to change the subject, let’s get back to focusing on the document. Is it a forgery? Yes or No? If No what is your proof? Please explain the layers. I am sorry, but the need to retouch for read ability up does not fly. Did you look at the other copies of the scanned documents, did they need touch up? What about the live birth certificate on a form introduced in 1974. How did a 1961 birth show up on a 1974 per-printed form? I am sure there must be a good explanation! Let’s hear it!

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  46. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Hey Russ… review my posts above and show us all where I didn’t stay on topic as you claim.
    Good news for all, stop the presses and get out an international press release! Russ and George have reviewed President Obama’s long and short birth certificates and declare them fakes.
    Birthers are a hoot!

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  47. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Oh Russ… Give it up.
    Even the leaders of the Republican party have said that this is a dead issue!
    Everyone in any “real” position to know says, that Obama is a citizen, he was born in Hawaii, when he says he was born and the officials of the State confirm that the birth certificate is real, there are announcements printed in the paper at the time of Obama’s birth, but none of that is good enough for you.
    You continue to beat the completely discredited drum.
    Why?
    That the real question!
    And what’s the answer to that?
    I’ll tell you what the answer is: You’re desperate to continue a climate of doubt and fear about Obama and why is that? I’ll answer that for you as well. The most benign part is that you think it helps your side politically. The more you can make people doubt and fear, the easier it is to convince them to support Obama’s opponents, who conveniently happen to be the people that you support politically, just a coincidence, I’m sure….
    The worst aspect of it is that you’re really afraid of this guy because he’s got a “different” sounding name and he’s a Black man and how could a “Black” man with a “different” sounding name possibly support “America” or more correctly “your” vision of America?
    You know, Russ, I’ve worked with mentally ill people in the past and sometimes you can tell them over and over that the voices they hear in their head aren’t real, but they simply can’t believe it.
    It’s the same thing with you “Birthers”.
    No amount of evidence will ever be enough for you, so why don’t YOU just be honest and admit that?
    This isn’t worth talking about anymore!
    You’ve lost!
    Get over it!!

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Is the term “birthers” some sort of problem? Is that a pejorative?
    Namecalling with a madeup word. Wow, how special.

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  49. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Hmmmm….good question!

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  50. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Mr Thornton we will all believe he was born in HI because he says he was, because you and Enos say he was and somebody else in Hawaii says he was – no problem.
    As far as the newspaper stuff – puleesse – I had an annoucement in the Tampa Tribune – yet was born in West Virgina, kinda like Obit – the paper doesn’t really check your pulse.
    The doubt is there already out there and all these forged docs do is reinforce that doubt to people that probably didn’t give a crap in the first place. That doubt will never go away no matter how many times you repeat it, and yes it will be a moot point. I suspect those chickens will be coming home in Nov ’12, its just that simple.

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