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[This piece was composed with significant research from xAI's Grok; it summarizes the years of posts under what I characterize as Rebane Doctrine.]

George Rebane

Why do collectivist governments with central planning and control not work?

Collective governments with central control—typically referring to systems like command or centrally planned economies where the state directs resource allocation, production, and distribution—have been critiqued extensively for their inefficiencies and historical shortcomings. While proponents argue they can promote equity and rapid industrialization (as seen in the early Soviet Union), they often struggle due to fundamental structural issues. Below, I'll outline the main reasons they tend not to work effectively, drawing from economic theory, historical examples, and analyses. These are not absolute failures in every case, but common patterns observed in implementations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea.

  1. Lack of Price Signals and Economic Calculation Problems

Central planners cannot efficiently allocate resources without market-driven prices, which naturally reflect supply, demand, and consumer preferences. Without these signals, it's impossible to accurately forecast needs, leading to shortages, surpluses, and misallocation. For instance, planners might overproduce unwanted goods while underproducing essentials. This issue, known as the "economic calculation problem," was famously articulated by economists like Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek, who argued that no central authority can process the vast, dispersed knowledge held by individuals in a society.

  1. Overwhelming Complexity and Data Challenges

Economies are too complex for central authorities to manage effectively, involving billions of data points on production, consumption, and preferences. Planners often deal with incomplete, inaccurate, or outdated information, making informed decisions impossible. In the Soviet Union, for example, delays in processing data led to persistent inefficiencies.

  1. Perverse Incentives and Malicious Compliance

Without personal profit motives or competition, workers and managers prioritize meeting quotas over quality or efficiency, often leading to absurd outcomes. A classic Soviet anecdote illustrates this: when nail production was measured by quantity, factories made millions of tiny, useless nails; when switched to weight, they produced massive spikes instead. This "malicious compliance" also appeared in over-whaling or running empty trains to hit targets, resulting in waste and environmental harm.

  1. Absence of Innovation and Entrepreneurship

Central control stifles creativity by eliminating entrepreneurs who could identify and solve problems quickly. With no private initiative or risk-reward system, innovations lag—Soviet products like cars remained stagnant for decades compared to Western competitors. Issues like chronic shortages (e.g., toilet paper in the USSR) persisted because only state entities could act, delaying solutions.

  1. Lack of Competition and Monopolies

State monopolies lead to poor quality and inefficiency, as there's no pressure to improve or cut costs. Unlike market economies where failing firms go bankrupt, state enterprises survive regardless of performance, draining resources. This contributed to the Soviet Union's technological backwardness and consumer dissatisfaction.

  1. Concentration of Power and Corruption Risks

Central planning requires a large bureaucracy, which can become a de facto ruling class prone to corruption, self-interest, and poor decisions by non-experts. Power struggles (e.g., under Stalin) led to arbitrary allocations, like sending inappropriate equipment abroad. Historically, this has suppressed individual freedoms and led to authoritarianism.

  1. Inflexibility and Inability to Adapt

Fixed prices and rigid plans prevent quick responses to changes, causing ongoing shortages or surpluses. Equity goals often fail too, with poor-quality goods and inefficiencies harming overall welfare. Many centrally planned systems, like those in Eastern Europe post-WWII, collapsed or transitioned to market models in the 1980s and 1990s due to these issues.

In summary, while central control can achieve short-term goals like mobilization during crises, it generally falters under the weight of human knowledge limits, incentive misalignments, and complexity. Most modern economies succeed as mixed systems, blending planning with market mechanisms for better outcomes.

Which political party promotes centralized control and planning?

The Democratic Party in the United States is often associated with promoting centralized control and planning, particularly through policies that emphasize government intervention in the economy, social programs, and regulatory frameworks. Democrats typically advocate for federal initiatives like universal healthcare, environmental regulations, and wealth redistribution, which involve centralized decision-making to achieve broader societal goals. For example, policies like the Affordable Care Act or proposals for a Green New Deal reflect a preference for coordinated, government-led planning.

In contrast, the Republican Party generally leans toward decentralized approaches, favoring free-market principles, limited government, and individual state autonomy, though there are exceptions depending on specific issues or leadership. Both parties can support centralized measures in certain contexts, but Democrats are more consistently aligned with centralized planning as a core ideological stance.

 

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42 responses to “Collectivist governments and the Democrat Party”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    When you talk of the Republican Party supporting individual state autonomy how do you justify Trump sending Federally controlled military to a press conference held by the Governor of California?
    “Border Patrol Agents Show Up in Force at Newsom Rally. What justified that action?
    “The armed and masked agents assembled outside a museum where the governor was speaking in what Mayor Karen Bass of Los Angeles called “a provocative act.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/14/us/newsom-la-immigration-agents.html

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  2. gjrebane Avatar

    PaulE 137pm – Why is there any “justification” necessary? Newsom rallies probably have a good number of attending illegals.

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    How do you know Trump sent them?

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    And… there is nowhere in the state that those Feds do not have jurisdiction.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Ever hear of States Rights George? I thought you were all for that? What dos “limited government” mean to you?

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  6. fish Avatar
    fish

    What a surprise…we seem to have moved on from yesterdays Mamdani question….!

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    GAWD! You really are that stupid; states’ rights have nothing to do with federal jurisdiction at all. I bet you actually thought your 202 was witty. FOLIO MAXIMUS!
    It has come out that greasy gavins push for a ballot item was paid for by taxpayers instead of the committee in favor of dumping the voter approved and still supported commission by 2/3 of the electorate. LOSER!
    😉

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I can’t believe we gave a Red Carpet Welcome to the international criminal Putin. Never thought I’d see the day we’d do that but here we are thanks to Trump.

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  9. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Raymond Emery | 15 August 2025 at 02:02 PM
    Ever hear of States Rights George? I thought you were all for that? What dos “limited government” mean to you?

    Well according to Steve Frisch arguing for “States Rights” means you’re a racist Nazi!
    Is that what you are Paul Raymond?

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    This is an estimation of the children killed or injured by Putins invasionn of Ukraine.
    ” Since February 2022, more than 2,520 children have been killed or injured, with 669 killed and 1,854 injured, UNICEF states, while noting the actual number is likely much higher, as these figures only account for confirmed deaths recorded by the United Nations.”
    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2025-02/child-casualties-in-ukraine-2024-up-by-57-percent.html

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I as so embarrassed and sad to see our country stoop to the level of honoring a mass killer to our country.

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Raymond Emery | 15 August 2025 at 02:14 PM
    This is an estimation of the children killed or injured by Putins invasionn of Ukraine.

    What’s your point Paul Raymond?

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “I’m a Master of Foreign Policy” Emery | 15 August 2025 at 02:22 PM
    I as so embarrassed and sad to see our country stoop to the level of honoring a mass killer to our country.

    I as so embarrassed too….over your ongoing difficulties with the English language.
    You’re right though….no need to mediate an end the war….they can just keep running up the child casualty counts for another decade that you were oh so upset about a mere 30 seconds ago!

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    So Paul Raymond….any plans to answer Gregorys’ question about Mamdani today like you said you would?

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I am confident that the po ol ponytail of ignorance is in a constant state of embarrassment!
    So who else could we negotiate with if not the aggressor? Follio.
    😉

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Mamdani is not someone I know much about. Seems like a typical Lib. It’s up to the voters in New York how the election turns out.

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  17. Scott O Avatar

    I seem to recall Newsom rolling out the red carpet for Emperor Xi – and that guy’s worse than Putin.
    But of course Trump wasn’t in the equation, so Paul wasn’t upset a bit.
    BTW, what’s the child body count in Chicago for the last few years?
    – oh, that’s right – those aren’t white, Euro children.
    Different deal entirely – my bad.

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  18. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 3:02 – Great answer!
    “Seems like a typical Lib.”
    So a “typical lib” is a commie”, according to Paul.

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Raymond Emery | 15 August 2025 at 03:02 PM
    Mamdani is not someone I know much about.

    That’s never stopped you from pontificating at length before…..

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    “What dos(sic) “limited government” mean to you?”
    It means the govt is limited to the duties and authorities it has under the US Constitution.
    Defending the border and enforcing the immigration laws are front and center.
    The FBI, ATF and federal marshals have been arresting American citizens in all US states for decades.
    Now ICE is arresting illegals.
    Nothing new except TDS.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Right now my heart is preoccupied with the sadness of seeing our country stoop to giving a red carpet welcome to the gangster and child killer Putin

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  22. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “Pretension is my Middle Name” Emery | 15 August 2025 at 03:37 PM
    Right now my heart is preoccupied with the sadness of seeing our country stoop to giving a red carpet welcome to the gangster and child killer Putin

    Mmmmm…..good luck with that.

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Just remember the President we have PROMISED during his campaign that he would end the war in 24 hours if he is elected President.

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  24. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “the Emotional Level of a Toddler” Emery | 15 August 2025 at 03:55 PM
    Just remember the President we have PROMISED during his campaign that he would end the war in 24 hours if he is elected President.

    Why….no one else here is naive enough to believe the blathering of politicians.

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  25. Scott O Avatar

    “Right now my heart is preoccupied with the sadness…”
    Latest lame excuse not to engage intelligently in a conversation.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well, that was a waste of time and an embarrassment to our heritage

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What is there to talk about Scott? Nothing happened. It was a total waste of time.
    You tell me what was accomplished.

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  28. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch, we progressed to what you wanted all along… throwing more Ukrainians into the fire.
    Smells like Victory to you.

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    What is there to talk about Scott? Nothing happened. It was a total waste of time.
    You tell me what was accomplished.

    Sad….an overly emotional response to events they have no control over is sometimes seen in the elderly.
    You okay Paul Raymond? Want someone to call the Sheriff and have them check on you?
    You’re not thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else are you?

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Trump is certainly not a Reagan and his “Tear Down That Wall” !!!
    Here’s direct quote from Trump today:
    While Trump was meeting privately with his top aides and Putin, his political team sent out a fundraising email that said, “I’m meeting with Putin in Alaska!”
    “It’s a little chilly,” the fundraising pitch said. “THIS MEETING IS VERY HIGH STAKES for the world.”
    It also said, “No one in the world knows how to make deals like me!” and encouraged people to donate, suggesting they start with $10.”
    What deal Donald?
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/live-updates-trump-to-meet-with-putin-in-alaska

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Why don’t you call the sheriff fish. Of course you’ll to use your real name-Ha
    Something like this?
    Hello this is fish and I want you to check on someone I’m concerned about. No I don’t know his address……..
    What an idiot you are

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  32. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – you left out the part about the moose and the bear!
    And you say there’s nothing to talk about.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What was that part of Scott?

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Going back to your original topic of Collectivist governments and the Democrat Party.
    What country at this time comes closest to what you advocate in your post?

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  35. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul “I never think these things through” Emery | 15 August 2025 at 05:24 PM
    Oh they know exactly who “Nevada City’s Stalwart Man About Town” is and where he lives. I’m quite sure!

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  36. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Well given the deep emotional depths the po ol ponytail of ignorance has fallen to, he does have an option to relieve the pain – EUTHANEISA LOL
    😉

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Words spoken by Trump loyalist Don Bessee. You guys are really getting pathetic. My life is great. I’m happy to be alive and happy to be here. Got five weeks of live productions coming at the Nevada Theatre in Oct and Nov.

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  38. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Whistling past the graveyard, don’t you even read what you post? ROFLOL
    😉
    PS Trump put the odds of a breakthrough with vlad at 25 percent.

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  39. gjrebane Avatar

    Administrivia – Note my post on Anchorage and shift your comments there accordingly. Thank you.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    My 5:48 was specifically about your post.
    “Going back to your original topic of Collectivist governments and the Democrat Party.
    What country at this time comes closest to what you advocate in your post? “

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  41. gjrebane Avatar

    PaulE 623pm – A more careful reading of my post reveals that it does not advocate but simply describes and identifies.

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