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Sandbox – 5aug23

05 August 2023

[Can anyone give a cogent reason why Trump is being prosecuted for speaking openly against the validity of the 2022 election that put Joe Biden in the White House? All the man did was exercise his 1A rights, and that included asking Georgia’s governor to review his state’s vote count to see if he could come up with more Trump votes. He blackmailed no one; he threatened no one; he just gave lip service to his opinions and beliefs to see if there was any legal and non-violent way he could change the outcome of the election. According to our Constitution anyone can do that, and Democrats have already demonstrated that such opposition to election outcomes are perfectly legal. gjr]

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287 responses to “Sandbox – 5aug23”

Individual Juan

11 August 2023

You might be a brainwashed MAGA if you like to play dress-up like the, self proclaimed “MAGA Trumper”, Utah looney toonz,
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000020282493.jpg?resize=984,1024&quality=75&strip=all
https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/who-was-craig-roberston-utah-man-shot-dead-in-fbi-raid/amp/

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11 August 2023

Posted by: Individual Juan | 11 August 2023 at 07:02 AM
You might be a brainwashed MAGA if you like to play dress-up like the, self proclaimed “MAGA Trumper”, Utah looney toonz
Given your history I can only assume that if he was dressed like this but shaking his penis at a small child with synth pop music playing in the background you’d be his staunchest defender.

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The Estonian Fox

11 August 2023

Maui wildfires:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/10/breaking-news/maui-price-freeze-in-effect-due-to-emergency-proclamations/
“The state Office of Consumer Protection says the price freeze is in place due to the second and third emergency proclamations invoked on Wednesday in response to the Maui wildfires, effective until Aug. 31.
That means commodities — broadly defined under state law as any good or service necessary for the health, safety, and welfare of people — must be sold at pre-emergency price levels within the designated emergency area. The price freeze is only for the island of Maui.
Maui consumers should report any instances of potential price gouging — or having to pay increased prices for goods and services after Wednesday — while the price freeze was in effect.”
Hawaii already pays above national prices for most everything. It’s good to see the (state) govt stepping in to keep food & other necessities from reaching those on west Maui when the folks are in need. Maybe after (if any) available foodstuffs are looted there, the residents will be willing to pay the new, higher, going-price. I’m sure there won’t be any price increases when the businesses in Kahului in east Maui disrupt their months-long-plans and divert a couple hundred semis to Lahaina.

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The Estonian Fox

11 August 2023

Maui wildfires (published on Sep 5, 2023)
Hawaii officials are mystified about the sudden disappearance of the protected nene geese from the Island of Maui. “We don’t understand why the quick die-off”, the head of the SNAP office said. “It’s a mystery to us”.
The well-known geese weigh 20-25 pounds, are acclimated to humans, and have tasty meat.

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Individual Juan

11 August 2023

You might be a brainwashed MAGA if,
… you think the teachings of Jesus Christ are weak liberal talking points,
“Well, it was the result of having multiple pastors tell me essentially the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount parenthetically in their preaching – turn the other cheek – to have someone come up after and to say, where did you get those liberal talking points? And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ, the response would not be, I apologize. The response would be, yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak. And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/05/1192374014/russell-moore-on-altar-call-for-evangelical-america

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Scott O

11 August 2023

Lonesome Johnny 6:39 : Typical lefty thinking. Ohman was let go, moron. He’s free to sell on-line just like Scott Adams. McClatchy is going tits-up. Nobody wants to pay for Dem party propaganda.

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Individual Juan

11 August 2023

Estonian@726
Are you sure you’ve got the right Nene?
https://www.reddit.com/r/realhousewives/comments/116oykt/nene_gone_in_season_8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

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Individual Juan

11 August 2023

Nene down-listed,
https://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news/2019/12/nene-down-listed-from-endangered-to-threatened/

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The Estonian Fox

11 August 2023

In.Ju.n @ 8:21AM
Did you notice the dateline on my last comment – it’s a month from now – after the lack of affordable food begins to weigh on the (former) Lahaina residents due to the govt’s price freeze. Any self-respecting 48-continguous-stater, lacking reasonably-priced store-bought food, would be on the hunt for deer, bear, wild turkey, raccoons, otters, beavers. But Hawaii has only a very few larger animals – nene geese and feral hogs among them. The farmer’s wife doesn’t want to cut off the tails of the dangerous feral hogs, so the nene is next up for a quick die-off.
It’s exhausting the need to explain things to someone lacking a thought process.

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fishanthrope

11 August 2023

I guess it’s just disappointing that Garland is such a hack. Not a Mayorkas level hack but still just an embarrassing hack.

UPDATE: It’s David Weiss.

You mean to tell me there isn’t another “fixer” at the justice department who could be pressed into service? Just so it wouldn’t look so bad?
#sad

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George Rebane

11 August 2023

From a casual perusal of comments from our leftwing readers, it appears that none of them can answer the simple questions asked in my opening remarks to this sandbox. Is that one of the requirements to brand the Democrats’ efforts to nail Trump as a witch hunt?

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fish

11 August 2023

George,
If I may be so bold….since any topic dropped into the “Sandbox” is generally guaranteed to descend into a complete shit show after no more than three comments perhaps this would have been better as a standalone post.

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Don Bessee

11 August 2023

This will be interesting –
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/11/california-bar-opens-ethics-probe-kevin-morris-hunter-bidens-lawyer/
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Don Bessee

11 August 2023

Is his address 1600 Pennsylvania ave? –
Woman accidentally films man stalking and sniffing her in Barnes & Noble, unearths ‘creepy’ string of similar attacks
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Paul Emery

11 August 2023

George
A basic question I raise is whether it would have been Constitutional for Pence to delay the certification process as Trump requested. Of course he refused to do so saying it was not Constitutional to do so. Do you support Pence in his decision?

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Gregory

11 August 2023

And what in the arguments convinced you, Punch?
I’d guess it’s the one where Trump got the boot to the head.

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Don Bessee

11 August 2023

You know creepy grampa joe is in trouble when he looses cnn –
Jake Tapper questions ‘odd’ special counsel appointment of David Weiss: ‘Maybe the whistleblowers were right’
Tapper argued that ‘some of the political questions being raised by Republicans have merit’
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jake-tapper-questions-odd-special-counsel-appointment-david-weiss-maybe-whistleblowers-right

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Don Bessee

11 August 2023

Sticking a chord? –
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/08/11/folk-singer-oliver-anthony-goes-viral-with-searing-protest-song-against-d-c-elites-rich-men-north-of-richmond/
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12 August 2023

At least there is some sanity left in the world…..

Foul-mouthed parrot stuck on a
roof for three days greeted
firefighters sent to rescue it by
telling them to f*** off

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6056039/amp/Parrot-speaks-three-different-languages-tells-firefighters-f-k-roof-rescue.html

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fishanthrope

12 August 2023

Zelensky Called Him a Criminal. Now Ukraine Calls Him for Guns and Ammo.
Biden?
Find your own link moron…..

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Don Bessee

12 August 2023

The shit hole in chief –
San Francisco has the worst pandemic recovery in the nation as city is mired in crime, homelessness: study
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-worst-pandemic-recovery-154239427.html
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12 August 2023

Posted by: Don Bessee | 12 August 2023 at 11:34 AM
Must be those Than Franthithco Valuths…..

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Scott O

12 August 2023

This might seem like boring nerdy stuff, but calling another scientist a “fraud” in public usually leads to a lawsuit. It will be interesting to see if the authors of the paper published in Science Mag do anything to defend their honor.
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/caught-red-handed-scientists-call
The last time this happened the fraudster Dr Mann of “hockey stick” fame tried to sue in Canada and in the US.
In Canada the court wouldn’t put up with his stalling and lying and he got his ass kicked. In the US the courts have allowed him to drag out and delay the trial indefinitely because going to trial would be another disaster for him.
Follow the science, indeed.

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Don Bessee

12 August 2023

So sorry snowflakes –
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/goldman-sachs-ceo-enrages-students-allegedly-calling-fossil-fuel-divestment-stupid
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Paul Emery

12 August 2023

Gregory
Do you believe the delaying of the certification of the election on Jan 6 as proposed by Trump would have been Constitutional? In short, was it a lawful order from Trump that Pence refused to follow?

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Don Bessee

12 August 2023

Shoulda got the salve when it could have helped with your terminal TDS ya po ol ponytail of ignorance.
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Don Bessee

12 August 2023

The big lie and when will they stop the grifts?
In 2009, then-Vice President Joe Biden announced $529 billion for Fisker in Department of Energy loan guarantees — “billions of dollars in good, new jobs” — to build EVs in his home state of Delaware. Fisker folded in 2013, without ever making a car in the U.S., and taxpayers lost $139 million. (Fisker Inc., a separate company, was launched in 2016.)
Other observers noted the similarities to Solyndra, the failed solar panel maker that was once highlighted as part of President Barack Obama’s stimulus package, which Biden oversaw (as he boasted on the campaign trail in 2020). Biden proudly announced in 2009 that Solyndra was being given $535 million in Department of Energy loan guarantees. He talked about the “infrastructure and technology of the future,” and the thousands of jobs that would be created. By 2011, Solyndra had filed for bankruptcy.
The second reason for Biden’s green energy failures is that they are accompanied by an alarmist philosophy about climate change that serves as an excuse for investing in unproven technologies and businesses that might otherwise not pass muster. The idea of a climate “emergency” also means there is less vigilance when unscrupulous lobbyists and special interest groups try to claim a share of the green spending bonanza. (Was there really any compelling reason for Fisker to be located in Delaware, for example?)
Likewise with Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm, whose role in Proterra, “hyped the company in her official capacity despite the fact that she previously served on Proterra’s board and held over a million dollars worth of stock in the company even after she was confirmed as the head of Biden’s Energy Department.” As Michigan’s governor, she also sank millions into A123 Systems, an electric vehicle battery maker that failed.
THE REAL-WORLD REALITIES THAT THEY LIE ABOUT, THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE DEMANDING THE STATE NOT UNLEASE THIS FAILING TECH THAT OBSTROCTS AMBULENCES AND OTHER FIREST RESPONDER SIRENS –
At about 11 p.m. Friday, as many as 10 Cruise driverless taxis blocked two narrow streets in the center of the city’s lively North Beach bar and restaurant district. All traffic came to a standstill up Vallejo Street and around the corner on Grant. Human-driven cars sat stuck behind and in between the robotaxis, which might as well have been boulders: no one knew how to move them.
The cars sat motionless with parking lights flashing for 15 minutes, then woke up and moved on, witnesses said.
Aaron Peskin, who represents North Beach on the San Francisco City Council, was flooded with texts, emails and videos from constituents as the robotaxis, programmed with artificial intelligence software, sat unresponsive. In one video, zeroing in on a robotaxi’s “driver” seat, a man says “this is what our city has come to.”
Peskin sent a text message to notify Cruise government affairs manager Lauren Wilson about the problem at 11:01 p.m. asking what was up. She texted back at 8:25 a.m. Saturday, and blamed cellphone carriers: “As I understand it, outside lands impacted LTE cell connectivity and ability for RA advisors to route cars.” Outside Lands is a three-day music festival held in Golden Gate Park, four miles from North Beach.
The situation is loaded with irony, as the California Public Utilities Commission on Thursday voted 3-1 amid great public controversy to allow a massive robotaxi expansion. The vote allows General Motors-owned Cruise and Waymo, owned by Google’s Alphabet, to charge fares for driverless service and grow the fleet as large as they’d like. Cruise has said it plans eventually to deploy thousands of robotaxis in San Francisco.
City officials in San Francisco, from the mayor’s office down, have been fighting the move, with officials saying the robotaxi industry needs to fix problems that endanger the public first before further expanding the business. The city’s fire department has logged more than 55 cases of robotaxis interfering with first responders. Fire Chief Jeanine Nicholson has repeatedly said Cruise and Waymo are getting in firefighters’ way and their technology is “not ready for prime time.”
The CPUC decided to go ahead anyway. One of the three yes votes was cast by Commissioner John Reynolds, who served as head lawyer at Cruise before appointed to the CPUC by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-s-north-beach-streets-clogged-as-long-line-of-cruise-robotaxis-come-to-a-standstill/ar-AA1fc8JT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ba13ff60611e4836a825cd889fbba1a4&ei=31
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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

Direct quote trom Trump yesterday:
“The only Election Interference that took place in Fulton County, Georgia, was done by those that Rigged and Stole the Election, not by me, who simply complained that the Election was Rigged and Stolen. We have Massive and Conclusive Proof, if the Grand Jury would like to see it. ”
Can any of you provide info as to what that ” Massive and Conclusive Proof” is or is it a typical Trump lie?
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110882321735123573

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fishanthrope

13 August 2023

Can any of you provide info as to what that ” Massive and Conclusive Proof” is or is it a typical Trump lie?
Do your own homework you lazy useless hippy…

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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

fishhole
For your reading pleasure
Here’s a list of Trumps lies followed by the facts:
TRUMP: “If we can go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear we won, we won very substantially in Georgia.”
THE FACTS: No, Trump lost Georgia in an election the state has certified for Democrat Joe Biden. Republican election officials have affirmed the election was conducted and counted fairly.
With ballots counted three times, including once by hand, Georgia’s certified totals show Trump lost to Biden by 11,779 votes out of nearly 5 million cast. Raffensperger certified the totals with officials saying they’ve found no evidence that Trump won.
No credible claims of fraud or systemic errors have been sustained. Judges have turned away legal challenges to the results, although at least one is still pending in state court.
TRUMP: “People should be happy to have an accurate count… We have other states I believe will be flipping to us shortly.”
THE FACTS: No reversal of the election outcome is in the offing, in Georgia or other states.
Biden defeated Trump by some 7 million popular votes nationwide and by a tally of 306-232 in the Electoral College, achieving victory in other key states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Arizona.
Trump’s former attorney general, William Barr, found no evidence of widespread election fraud. Trump’s allegations of massive voting fraud have been dismissed by a succession of judges and refuted by state election officials and an arm of his own administration’s Homeland Security Department.
A group of Senate Republicans, led by Sens. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz, say they plan to object to the election results when Congress meets on Wednesday to tally Biden’s Electoral College victory over Trump.
The objections will force votes in both the House and Senate, but none are expected to prevail.

TRUMP: “The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”
THE FACTS: Not true. Georgia officials have debunked previous claims by the Trump campaign in November that three particular people had voted illegally, finding that other people with similar names had voted. At the time, a local district attorney announced an investigation into whether a ballot had illegally been cast in the name of a northwest Georgia man who died in 2015.
On Saturday, Raffensperger said two illegal votes on behalf of dead people have been confirmed, not thousands as Trump alleged. “The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong,” Raffensperger said.

TRUMP: “We have anywhere from 250 (thousand) to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls, much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked.”
THE FACTS: There’s nothing mysterious or suspect about it. He is describing a legitimate vote counting process, not a sudden surge of malfeasance.
Trump appears to be referring to large numbers of votes that were tabulated in the early hours of Wednesday morning after Election Day and later. The arrival of those votes was not mysterious, but expected, because many of Georgia’s 159 counties had large stacks of mail-in ballots that had to be tabulated after polls closed and in-person ballots were counted.
Indeed, news organizations and officials had warned in the days leading up to the election that the results would likely come in just as they did: In-person votes, which tend to be counted more quickly, would likely favor the president, who had spent months warning his supporters to avoid mail-in voting and to vote in person either early or on Election Day.
And mail-in-ballots, which take longer to count since they must be removed from envelopes and verified before they are counted, would favor Biden. States tend to count mail-in ballots at the end of the process.

TRUMP: “We think … if (there is) a real check of signatures going back in Fulton County, you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures.”
THE FACTS: That has no basis in reality.
It would be impossible for anyone to have forged hundreds of thousands of signatures on mail-in ballots in Fulton County because there were only about 147,000 mail-in ballots in Georgia’s most populous county, with about 116,000 of them going to Biden.

TRUMP, claiming thousands of voters moved out of Georgia, registered in another state, and then improperly cast ballots in Georgia: “They came back in, and they voted. That was a large number.”
THE FACTS: Not so. Trump supporters are working from a list of questionable accuracy, according to Ryan Germany, the general counsel for Raffensperger’s office. He told Trump during the call that the claims have been investigated and that in many cases, voters “moved back years ago. It’s not like it happened just before the election. There’s something about that data that it’s just not accurate.”

TRUMP: “It doesn’t pass the smell test, because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they’re saying (is) ‘Oh, we’re just cleaning up the office.’”
THE FACTS: The shredding in question was taking place in suburban Cobb County, not in Fulton County as Trump claimed. Cobb County elections officials said Nov. 24 that none of the items shredded by a contractor were “relevant to the election or the re-tally” and instead were things like old mailing labels, other papers with voter information, old emails and duplicates of absentee ballot applications.

TRUMP, claiming that a Fulton County election worker fed ballots through a machine three times instead of only once, saying his campaign would release a video proving it: “It can’t be disputed. We have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s magnified. It’s magnified and you can see everything. For some reason, they put it in three times each ballot. And I don’t know why, I don’t know why three times and not five times, right?”
THE FACTS: There was no double or triple tallying of ballots. Raffensperger noted that ballots in Georgia have been counted and then recounted twice more for accuracy, including once by hand, and no discrepancy showed up in the Fulton County ballots, as it would have if someone improperly counted votes multiple times. “We did an audit of that,” Raffensperger told Trump. “It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”

TRUMP, attacking a legal settlement that Georgia signed with the state Democratic Party over how signatures on absentee ballot applications and absentee ballots are verified. “You can’t check signatures, you can’t do that… You’re allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country.”
THE FACTS: There is nothing in the March 6 consent decree that prevents Georgia’s election clerks from scrutinizing signatures. The legal settlement addresses accusations about a lack of statewide standards for judging signatures on absentee ballot envelopes. Raffensperger has said that not only is it entirely possible to match signatures, but that the state requires it.
Ballot harvesting, the practice of collecting numbers of absentee ballots and delivering them back to elections officials, remains illegal in Georgia.

TRUMP, referring to investigations into his baseless claims of voter fraud: “You have your never-Trumper U.S. attorney there.”
THE FACTS: The U.S. attorney in Atlanta is a actually a Trump appointee. Byung J. “BJay” Pak is a longtime Republican who also served in the Georgia House of Representatives from 2011 until 2017. He was nominated by Trump to become the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia in 2017. In announcing his nomination, the White House said that Pak and five other nominees for U.S. attorney’s posts “share the president’s vision for ‘Making America Safe Again.’” Pak had previously also worked as an assistant U.S. attorney.

TRUMP, citing 18,000 “suspicious” votes: “The tape that’s been shown all over the world … they said very clearly there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area and then they came back … there were no Republican poll watchers … and there was no law enforcement … It was stuffed with votes. They weren’t in an official voter box, they were in what looked to be in suitcases or trunks. … The minimum number it could be … was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.”
THE FACTS: That’s a gross distortion of what actually happened.
State and Fulton County election officials say surveillance video that Trump refers shows no improper behavior, but normal ballot processing using not suitcases, but ballot containers on wheels. Officials said that the entire video showed the same workers had earlier packed the ballot containers with valid, uncounted ballots.
Republicans have contended that their observers were told to leave Fulton County’s vote counting center, but elections officials said they actually left after confusion that arose because election workers thought they were done for the night.
An independent monitor and an investigator in fact oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. Trump also refers to a fake confession attributed by a woman allegedly involved in the incident that was posted on social media.

TRUMP: “In other states we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines, but we’ll have to see.”
THE FACTS: No “tremendous corruption” has been found.
There’s “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised,” said the federal agency that oversees election security, in a statement joined by state and electoral-industry officials.

Associated Press writers Eric Tucker and Mark Sherman contributed to this report.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-atlanta-c23d10e5299e14daee6109885f7dafa9

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fishanthrope

13 August 2023

You will have no reason to continue living once Trump passes from the scene.

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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

Fishhole
I am responding directly to this question that our host used for this post about the validity of the last Presidential election. I contend Trump was lying in his official role as President when he phoned Georgia’s secretary of state Brad Raffensperger
Do you personally believe Trump is telling the truth about the Georgia election being stolen?

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13 August 2023

He’s probably the reason you didn’t pass during the 2016-2020 term….

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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

What the hell are you talking about fishhole and what does that have to do with the topic our host George Rebane suggests in this post?

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George Rebane

13 August 2023

Re PaulE 940am – it appears that Paul has provided the demanded back-up to debunk Trump’s voting fraud claims, it seems it’s now up to the pro-Trump faction to cite the evidence that contradicts the AP fact check piece that Paul has presented.
Re PaulE 230pm – There would have been nothing unconstitutional about VP Pence either delaying acceptance of the electoral vote count, or sending the counts back to their respective states for confirmation. Accepting the counts as submitted, or delaying their acceptance was also up to Pence, and his citing the Constitution as tying his hands is utter bullshit – he did what he wanted to do.
Re fish 1134am – You are right. I should have introduced my opening remarks here as a separate post for them to have received the appropriate attention and discussion. However, I’m still a bit chagrined that no one in our politically astute assemblage has taken up the fundamental gauntlet on Trump’s exercise of free speech and the 1A.

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13 August 2023

It has to do with your ever present Trump compulsion….

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George Rebane

13 August 2023

fish 1115am – “…ever present Trump compulsion”???

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13 August 2023

Posted by: George Rebane | 13 August 2023 at 12:49 PM
That wasn’t directed at you George.

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Don Bessee

13 August 2023

In what world when you cannot house your citizens do you do this shit? –
President Joe Biden’s deputies are asking the House GOP majority to fund new travel and housing programs for more economic migrants who are being encouraged to take opportunities needed by ordinary Americans.
Which is why there’s resistance among a lot of Republicans to increased funding for [the department of] Homeland Security (DHS). If DHS was using the money to actually stop the flow of illegal aliens, Republicans will be falling all over themselves to vote for it. But that’s not what this administration wants to with the do extra money for DHS — they want to use it to speed up the arrival of people who have no right to be here.
The “border guard is turned into a Walmart greeter
Simply put, no member of Congress should agree to fund a federal agency at war with his state and people. We have a moral obligation to protect our states, our nation, and, importantly, the migrant children getting abused from the disaster transpiring at our southern border.
“No border security, no funding,” the letter said, amid the growing public opposition to the Democrats who are bringing migrants into New York, Chicago, California, Maine, and other Democrat-run districts.
But the details show that most of the border spending is intended to bring in even more economic migrants — not to keep them out.
Up to $800 million is intended to fund new migrant pathways from Colombia, Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Ecuador into U.S. communities. These “Safe Mobility Offices” are intended to offer a safer and cheaper route for African, European, and Asian economic migrants who are seeking to break into the United States.
A growing number of global migrants fly into Ecuador or Columbia before starting their trek to the Texas border
The request also asks for an extra $714 million for Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, which was created to deport illegal migrants. But the request also asks for permission to move funding around in the agency — so that funding can be used for the housing program that would shelter migrants while they take the U.S. jobs they need to pay off smuggling debts.
Biden has already imported at least 6 million migrants for economic purposes in less than three years. That strategy has helped investors by inflating real estate prices and reducing Americans’ wages.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/13/biden-asks-congress-billions-expand-illegal-migration/
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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

George
George
Do you have the right to free speech to spread information you know is a lie or not verifiable when it is your official duty to deal with the truth? That’s what Trump is accused of. Also can you note your sources that cite that Pence has the Constitutional right to pause the election certification and if so for how long. Also does that mean that Trump would remain President until the whole matter is sorted out? Also how would the other members of the Executive branch have to deal with it, for example cabinet members and Presidential appointments. Has this ever happened before?
Links supporting your contention would be helpful.

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Don Bessee

13 August 2023

As if the 2 strands of ponytail of ignorance even reads much less comprehends @644. LOL
In the real world there continue to be miracles –
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/catholic-church-remains-standing-amid-decimation-from-hawaii-fire/ar-AA1fdohV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=737787a68da44af697874eecd4ae56ab&ei=43
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Don Bessee

13 August 2023

Gee thanks for prop 47 you idiots who empowered the gangs for organized cartels who let you enjoy virtue signaling. OH wait they are stealing your stuff and breaking your car window. Dumber than rocks!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-nordstrom-ransacked-flash-mob-smash-grab-goods-taken
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Scott O

13 August 2023

Paul 6:44 – Hilarious!
“Do you have the right to free speech to spread information you know is a lie or not verifiable when it is your official duty to deal with the truth?”
Are you talking about the US govt agencies claiming the laptop was Russian disinfo, Paul?
Are you talking about Biden telling people if they’re vaccinated they won’t get or spread covid?
Are you talking about Adam Schiff claiming repeatedly that he had positive proof that Trump colluded with the Russians?
Shall I go on, Paul? It would take me all night to list all of the lies the Dems and the Fibbies and the Just-us dept told the American public to throw the election.
Those were deliberate lies told by people who knew what they were saying was false.
OK – maybe not Biden – he just tries to read a teleprompter. His mind is shot.

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Scott O

13 August 2023

Don 8:06 – Funny how all of the perps seem to be of a certain ethnic derivation.
Am I bad because I notice that?

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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

So Scott you don’t deny Trump was spreading lies in the hopes the election would be tossed out and he would remain President.

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Paul Emery

13 August 2023

Trump claims this Scott. “We think … if (there is) a real check of signatures going back in Fulton County, you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures.”
Do you believe that’s true Scott?
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-atlanta-c23d10e5299e14daee6109885f7dafa9

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14 August 2023

Posted by: Word Salad| 13 August 2023 at 06:44 PM
Wow…..it’s like someone hit Kamala Harris in the head.

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The Estonian Fox

14 August 2023

DB @ 8:06PM
“What happened today at the Nordstrom in the Topanga Mall is absolutely unacceptable,” she said. “Those who committed these acts and acts like it in neighboring areas must be held accountable. The Los Angeles Police Department will continue to not only find those responsible for this incident, but to prevent these attacks on retailers from happening in the future,” Bass added.
Let’s go through this one more time:
Wayback machine – fish 11/17/22 7:19AM-
Karen Bass – newly elected mayor of Los Angeles, to the people of our city, my message is this:
We are going to solve homelessness.
**We are going to prevent and respond urgently to crime.
Our city is no longer going to be unaffordable for working families.
And know this — that work has already begun.
I’ll take “No we’re not, **no we’re not, yes it will, and no it hasn’t” for $800 Alex!

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Scott O

14 August 2023

Paul 10:37 – So Paul, you don’t deny that Trump is our true president and the election was stolen?
Is that your answer to my 9:52?
This is fun!

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Scott O

14 August 2023

L.A. mayor: “…but to prevent these attacks on retailers from happening in the future,” Bass added.”
As Rush would say – “mark the tape”!
I say – “Ha ha ha ha ha”!

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