297 responses to “Sandbox – 6jul23”

1. 

   Scott O

   17 July 2023

   Paul – “It’s all about integrity Gregory.”
   Is this humor of some sort, Paul?

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2. 

   fishanthrope

   17 July 2023

   Posted by: psul Embry | 17 July 2023 at 11:40 AM
   It’s all about integrity Gregory.
   Of which you have none!
   Jeez psul….do you have to make it so easy to make you look stupid? You who has been caught lying, knocking down the most obvious and ridiculous strawmen, playing the role of half assed internet prosecuting attorney….and doing it poorly, demanding links that you admit to not reading, etc.!
   You’re a weasel Punch….I’m surprised that you even still show up here….everyone is on to your game!

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3. 

   Gregory

   17 July 2023

   Yes, it’s a bad joke.
   Hamilton, Jay and Madison wrote The Federalist Papers under a shared pen name, “Publius”.
   Fishman doesn’t change his scales on a whim. It’s OK.
   Punchy, stifle! And I’m still waiting for a retraction of your libels denouncing me as a “fake libertarian” and a Trumper.

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4. 

   Gregory

   17 July 2023

   https://rufo.substack.com/p/radicalism-reborn
   “How the violent left-wing movements of the 1970s led to today’s identity battles.”
   Rufo’s johnny-come-lately journalism is sometimes a bit much to take, but this one seems to hit the sweet spot.

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5. 

   Paul Emery

   17 July 2023

   No retraction Gregory. Over and over you’ve supported Trump on this blog and that makes you a fake Libertarian.

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6. 

   Gregory

   17 July 2023

   Punchy, over and over I’ve suported rational thought, not Trump. You’ve been frigging irrational since we’ve met. You just hate.
   Back in the day when we’d see each other at Java Johns, you were stuck with speaking to me face to face. Now you’re playing to an audience. Bad Paul.

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7. 

   Gregory

   17 July 2023

   I have never written a sentence supporting Trump here.
   Go find one, Punch.

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   Paul Emery

   17 July 2023

   Huh Gregory? You just advocated that Trump was not responsible for the record 7 Trillion debt in his four years as President and blamed it on Pelosi.
   “Punch, Trump’s last two years were with the queen of Deficit Spending, Nancy Pelosi, leading the Congress.”
   Do you believe that Trump holds ANY responsibility for the record deficits under his administration?
   16 July 2023 at 09:54 PM

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9. 

   Gregory

   17 July 2023

   Punchy, the fourth year was an unprecedented pandemic courtesy the CCP. And the accelerated vaccine development wasn’t cheap.
   Do you believe Speaker Pelosi has any responsibility for passing so much in spending authorizations? You didn’t have any blame for anyone besides Trump… the mark of a pure propagandist.
   According to you it’s all the President’s fault, unless apparently, the President is a Democrat.
   Again, that sentence was negating your idiotic analysis, not boosting Trump.

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    Gregory
    Why is it always the Republicans that crash the economy? It was Bush in 2008, Hoover in 1929 and Trump in 2020. It took the Dems to pull us out in all three situations.

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11. 

    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    Punch, why do you always change the subject when you’re losing an argument that you started?

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12. 

    Don Bessee

    17 July 2023

    #sadoldman spewing talking points of lefties again, 2008 was all barney frank and slick willey setting up the housing lending system up for failure forcing banks to lend to eminently unqualified individuals with the gov creating mtg back securities backed up by freddy and fannie. Dumb ass on top of willful ignorance you be.
    😉

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13. 

    fishanthrope

    17 July 2023

    Best part of this is that tomorrow psul won’t remember any of it and we can have the entire discussion again.

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14. 

    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Give it up, Gregory – Paul just has one loop on the ol’ 8 track and it goes around and around. It can’t record, so he never learns anything new nor does he have the inclination to do so.
    Sad.

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    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    Same topic Gregory. You cast NO blame on Trump for the crashed economy. Show me one time you have done that. How about his tax cuts for the wealthy that decreased tax income for example. For you it’s always the Dems.

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    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    DB, I recall Barney Frank touting shares of his stock darling, the bride of frankenstein known as Freddie Mac:
    “On September 7, 2008, Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) director James B. Lockhart III announced he had put Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under the conservatorship of the FHFA (see Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). The action has been described as “one of the most sweeping government interventions in private financial markets in decades”.[4][5][6] As of the start of the conservatorship, the United States Department of the Treasury had contracted to acquire US$1 billion in Freddie Mac senior preferred stock, paying at a rate of 10% per year, and the total investment may subsequently rise to as much as US$100 billion.[7] Shares of Freddie Mac stock, however, plummeted to about one U.S. dollar on September 8, 2008, and dropped a further 50% on June 16, 2010, when the stocks delisted due to falling below minimum share prices for the NYSE.[8] In 2008, the yield on U.S Treasury securities rose in anticipation of increased U.S. federal debt.[9] The housing market and economy eventually recovered, making Freddie Mac profitable once again.”
    The hot tip is to not be the one holding the bag when Democrats screw the economy.

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17. 

    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    It has been the Dems, Punch.

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    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Don 3:30 – Don’t forget Frank Raines. He deliberately ran the biggest scam in terms of dollar amount of any American ever. He got a slap on the wrist for what should have been a life sentence. And Barney and the Dems protected him all the way.

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19. 

    Don Bessee

    17 July 2023

    IF YOUR IGNORANT AND YOU KNOW IT CLAP YOUR HANDS OH GREAT PONYTAIL OF IGNORNCE –
    According to economists Tyler Goodspeed and Kevin Hassett, after the 2017 tax cuts, business investment soared 9.4% compared to the pre-tax cuts trend. For corporations, real investment rose 14.2%. Similarly, a 2021 Heritage Foundation report showed the dramatic growth in investment and wages that occurred after the tax cuts. A key driver in the surge in investment was multinational firms who chose to reinvest in U.S. markets instead of offshoring.
    Conservatives anticipated the cut in the corporate rate and the allowance of full expensing of capital purchases would drive strong growth in investment. The full expensing provisions allow businesses to immediately deduct the cost of machinery and equipment, instead of following convoluted depreciation schedules lasting up to 20 years.
    The reinvestment in America that tax reform spurred paid real dividends for the typical household, increasing their annual rate of income growth tenfold.
    Real median household incomes grew by more than $5,000 in 2018 and 2019 alone. By contrast, in the 30 years prior to 2017, real median household income grew by a total of $7,600, or about $250 per year.
    Then, starting in 2020, as the economy was roaring along with record high wages, record low unemployment, strong labor force participation, and low inflation, the government’s multitrillion-dollar hyperactive response to the pandemic took the economy and the budget off the rails.
    https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid
    😉

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20. 

    Don Bessee

    17 July 2023

    Defund the police then blame the union for the crime increase how woke of them –
    Austin suffers 3 homicides in 24 hours as city council blames cop union for being understaffed
    The city voted last week to suspend its partnership with the Texas Department of Public Safety
    As the Austin Police Department struggles to fill its ranks following the city council gutting its budget by one-third in 2020, three homicide investigations were opened in a 24-hour period Sunday.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-suffers-3-homicides-24-hours-city-council-blames-cop-union-being-understaffed
    😉

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21. 

    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    scotto 343p
    I know Punch is a lost cause… a legend in his own mind.
    In other words, a f’ing space case.
    “Then, starting in 2020, as the economy was roaring along with record high wages, record low unemployment, strong labor force participation, and low inflation, the government’s multitrillion-dollar hyperactive response to the pandemic took the economy and the budget off the rails.”
    Punchy don’t remember that…

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22. 

    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    Gregory
    According to the Center for American Progress this is what happened.
    “Tax cuts initially enacted during Republican trifectas in the past 25 years slashed taxes disproportionately for the wealthy and profitable corporations, severely reducing federal revenues.”
    this link will give you the whole story:
    https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tax-cuts-are-primarily-responsible-for-the-increasing-debt-ratio/

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23. 

    🐠

    17 July 2023

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 17 July 2023 at 04:45 PM
    
    ….and all that government spending had nothing to do with it at all.

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24. 

    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    Punchy 445p
    “The president and chief executive officer of CAP is Patrick Gaspard, a former diplomat, organizer, and labor leader, who served most recently as the president of the Open Society Foundations [that’s where he learned to wear knee pads when chatting with his superior, George Soros]. Gaspard succeeded Neera Tanden, who was appointed special advisor to President Joe Biden in May 2021. Tanden previously worked for the Obama and Clinton administrations and for Hillary Clinton’s campaigns running for President.[4] The first president and CEO was John Podesta, who has served as White House Chief of Staff to U.S. President Bill Clinton and as the chairman of the 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton.[5] Podesta remained with the organization as chairman of the board until he joined the Obama White House staff in December 2013. ”
    They’re to the left of the left, Punch. Try a’gin.

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25. 

    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Paul 4:45 – “this link will give you the whole story:”
    Well – the whole story you want to believe, Paul.
    “severely reducing federal revenues.”
    Total lie, but it fits Paul’s preconception, so he buys it without any further investigation.
    Here’s the actual numbers showing dollar amounts climbing every year.
    It kinda looks like the revenues went up, not down. The only small dip (.04 T) was during the COVID economic shut down. So, naturally Paul won’t look at the chart.
    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
    Now combine that chart with a chart of fed spending and it’s obvious where the problem lies.

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26. 

    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    Gregory relies on the Heritage foundation of all things for his intellectual support on this issue. They are hardly an independent source. They were outright supporters of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan therefore assuming responsibility for the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives those wars cost. They are hardly Libertarian which is more evidence of Gregory being a fake Libertarian.

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27. 

    Don Bessee

    17 July 2023

    #sadoldman needs to ignore the numbers because he does not understand them beyoind what the talking points for lefties tells him to say.
    😉

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    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    The Heritage Foundation Don are hardly representatives of Libertarian values so I’m astounded that a person such as Gregory who considers himself to be Libertarian would use them for a source.

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29. 

    🐠

    17 July 2023

    They are hardly an independent source.
    Bwahahahahaha.
    Mr. Raw Sewage and Center for American Progress whining about unbiased sources….!
    Promise me you’ll never change C-nizzle….

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30. 

    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Paul now wants to shift the argument to the “source” of the facts instead of talking about the facts themselves.
    And he goes silent about the lie that he posted at 4:45.
    The numbers were from the CBO. It doesn’t matter if the web site is the American NAZI party or the Communist USA or Pravda or (even worse) the NYTs.
    2 plus 2 equals 4. If you’re going to argue it isn’t true because of what web site you read that on, you are a lost cause.
    Pathetic.

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31. 

    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    This is the latest report from the CBO which says quite the opposite Scott. Here’s a link. Read it
    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59169

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    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Paul – “which says quite the opposite”
    Opposite of what?
    That actual revenues went down as you claim?
    That our deficit will grow?
    Of course the scenario gets more dire as the months go by because of the increasing fed spending and decreasing revenue from capital gains as the market slows down below the rate of inflation and the slowing economy.

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33. 

    scenes

    17 July 2023

    psul: “Here’s a link. Read it”
    Lotta words in there. Did you read it?
    What I pick up goes roughly as follows.
    . Team Red was the primary force behind the 2017 Tax Bill.
    . The CBO sez that the individual tax provisions will result in a higher debt over time
    . Sifting through them, a lot of them don’t look to make much difference (tax tables), actually increase taxes for mostly Blue State residents, increased the standard deduction.
    . Lacking the CBO going through the numbers, this last one looks to be the main driver of gubmint debt.
    …so, D. Trump caused the country to go into more debt by allowing middle class married people to have a higher standard deduction (neither the rich or poor care about the standard deduction).
    Not much of a point if I’m grokking this. Generally, I always thought that Presidents institute tax cuts, and Congress institutes spending increases. It’s an accommodation that probably works well politically.
    No problemo. Just borrow until the bond market blows up, inflation increases, we all end up abandoning cash for trading tins of meat for gasoline and black market antibiotics. It’s all just bidness as usual.

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34. 

    scenes

    17 July 2023

    Now here’s a chart I like.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGEXPND
    The smooth curve upward, with no real difference between political parties, economic activity, wars, shows the inevitable collision with reality.
    But check out Q2 2020. Hoo, whee. I’d love to see a breakdown of where that all went.
    Maybe a better way to look at it.
    https://www.federalbudgetinpictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FBIP-SOCIAL-HIRES-44.jpg
    Inflation corrected, per capita.

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35. 

    🐠

    17 July 2023

    Lotta words in there. Did you read it?
    Doesn’t read links…..probably not even the ones he posts.

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36. 

    Paul Emery

    17 July 2023

    I did read it scenes. The information is all there on the impact of tax cuts for the wealthy on the debt.

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37. 

    scenes

    17 July 2023

    “Doesn’t read links…..probably not even the ones he posts.”
    C’est la vie.
    I figure that anyone that bases political and economic arguments on the Time of COVID is a tool. Everyone went crazy at the same time
    Thing is, no one will admit that much of the money was stolen (I think), masks are essentially useless, the shots didn’t do much good, the big emergency over ventilators was bullshit. Too many bureaucrats and activists look like fools for the truth to ever emerge.

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38. 

    🐠

    17 July 2023

    I figure that anyone that bases political and economic arguments on the Time of COVID is a tool.
    Really….when there are so many other reason that psul is a tool…

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39. 

    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Paul – “The information is all there”
    Where? Point us to the actual statement.
    where is the proof that tax revenues went down as you claim?
    I agree that the debt is getting worse. It always does. In fact the debt usually gets even worse after the Treasury takes in record amounts.
    It’s the spending that is the problem. It is racing ahead of our GDP even adjusted for inflation.

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    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    scenes 8:39 – “I’d love to see a breakdown of where that all went.”
    They actually are finding out where a little of it went.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/biggest-fraud-generation-looting-covid-relief-program-known-ppp-n1279664
    “The public, he said, “should be very angry.”
    Well – sorta. The problem is too many of the perps are the wrong skin color, so we kinda hafta sorta skim over a lot of the details.
    https://www.npr.org/2023/06/27/1184555444/200-billion-pandemic-business-loans-fraudulent
    Hilarious wording follows –
    “”The agency weakened or removed the controls necessary to prevent fraudsters from easily gaining access to these programs and provide assurance that only eligible entities received funds,” the report says. “However, the allure of ‘easy money’ in this pay and chase environment attracted an overwhelming number of fraudsters to the programs.””
    However??!!
    Wouldn’t the phrase “And so…” be way more appropriate?
    Do people even know how to write English anymore?

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41. 

    Scott O

    17 July 2023

    Not only DC but the state of WA:
    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/washingtons-unemployment-fraud-may-have-hit-650-million-state-recovers-333-million/
    Then there’s CA:
    https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/california-has-18-9-billion-in-unemployment-debt-companies-will-have-to-pay-more-in-taxes-to-cover-the-cost/3220874/
    Soooo glad I left that hell-hole.
    Don’t forget about the bill for your Choo Choo Train! Where did that money go and what have the American tax payers got to show for it?
    And on top of all that we have the “climate change emergency”.
    The bill for that will destroy our country.
    And that’s the plan.
    Enjoy!

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42. 

    Gregory

    17 July 2023

    punchy 607p
    “The Heritage Foundation Don are hardly representatives of Libertarian values so I’m astounded that a person such as Gregory who considers himself to be Libertarian would use them for a source.”
    This may be the dumbest thought I’ve ever heard from anyone. Libertarians must only accept facts from Libertarians? Lefties must only listen to lefties. Righties only listening to Righties.
    I picked up the Heritage quote from someone posting here. I went to the website of the folks being described. An original source. They’re proudly affiliated with George Soros, and I believe them.
    Paul, you dumb fuck.

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43. 

    Paul Emery

    18 July 2023

    Gregory
    Did you read the link I provided ?
    Here it is again for your convenience:
    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59169

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44. 

    Gregory

    18 July 2023

    What statement of mine does it contradict?
    Assuming no answer to that challenge, for my convenience, shove the link into where the sun don’t shine.

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45. 

    scenes

    18 July 2023

    Hang on I think I’ve got it.
    psul has invented a Gregory strawman that sez that Trump has nothing to do with deficit.
    Gregory sez that Congress is partly at fault because of massive spending bills.
    psul posts link-he-hasnt-read that sez that CBO is guessing increasing deficit due to revenue decrease because of 2017 tax act.
    psul, at age 80, has discovered he can piss people off by repeating untruths, half-truths, god-knows-what over and over. It’s hard to protect yourself from a car alarm.
    psul activities just prove to me that in the age of the internet, the dickheads will inherit the earth.

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46. 

    Gregory

    18 July 2023

    Punchy thinks he has discovered he can defame me over and over and not suffer himself. He will.

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47. 

    fishanthrope

    18 July 2023

    Posted by: scenes | 18 July 2023 at 10:03 AM
    psul activities just prove to me that in the age of the internet, the dickheads will inherit the earth.
    Well yes….but given psul’s behavior in general it seems more a case of a sad lonely old man doing anything for a little attention.

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48. 

    Gregory

    18 July 2023

    “Gregory sez that Congress is partly at fault because of massive spending bills.”
    Show me massive overspending in the USA and I’ll show you a profligate Speaker of the House. That’s who controls legislation that has to happen for Federal spending to happen. Whether taxing or spending, it has to start in the House.
    In Punchy’s case, he won’t even cede that perhaps COVID-19 had anything to do with it.

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49. 

    scenes

    18 July 2023

    “In Punchy’s case, he won’t even cede that perhaps COVID-19 had anything to do with it.”
    My thinking is that it was handled so poorly, the whole deal will end up in the memory hole.
    Futurepeople will wonder what that weird spike in all the economic numbers is, but then will get a quick blast of static from their mental handicap radio.
    To some extent, psul’s fixations come from an honest place, especially as a professional minstrel. There’s a sizable group of people (majority?) who view the world, history, and everything as hung on the actions of individual personalities. Some of it is invented, (the WWF, TrumpRapesWimmen) some is a little true (Caesar in Gaul). In the final analysis, it’s always something to do with Hitler.

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50. 

    Gregory

    18 July 2023

    Honest place?
    He’s slandered me as a “fake Libertarian” over and over, only recently saying that a real Libertarian only cites libertarian sources.
    Punchy is a fake human being.

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