265 responses to “Sandbox – 11may23”

1. 

   Don Bessee

   12 May 2023

   Here is another link the ponytail of ignorance will ignore –
   https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/12/wapo-columnist-admits-zuckbucks-were-used-to-turn-out-likely-democrat-voters-in-2020/
   😉

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   Scott O

   12 May 2023

   Unclear on reality:
   “Oakland’s public school teachers went on strike last week not only for increased wages, but also for a variety of other demands, including environmental change and reparations.”
   Why not throw in a demand for a declaration of war on Russia?
   https://www.breitbart.com/education/2023/05/12/furious-parents-cross-picket-lines-in-oakland-as-teachers-continue-strike-for-reparations/

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   Don Bessee

   12 May 2023

   Great use of taxpayers money creepy grampa joe, ya screw the vets and homeless citizens and thats just 1 city –
   The Big Apple reportedly offered to secure 1,025 hotel rooms for migrants on a daily basis for 36 months at the rate of $200
   The cost to New Yorkers, some of the most tax-burdened Americans, would be $225 million over the course of three years.
   https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/12/report-nyc-may-give-border-crossers-free-rooms-iconic-roosevelt-hotel/
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4. 

   Gregory

   12 May 2023

   Jeff Pelline (ropedfish) 152p
   “Everyone polled might have had a different idea in their mind about what it means to be a Socialist, or about Socialism; about “far right”, Gregory.”
   I don’t know anyone here who is “far right” and Jeff Pelline doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. I remain a centrist classical liberal (libertarian, given the theft of “liberal” by the hard left).
   Most of the folks here are unapologetic Republican. That isn’t me but unapologetic Republicans value freedom of speech and that’s good enough for me.

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5. 

   fish

   13 May 2023

   ……you fucked up……you trusted us!
   

   Related: ‘We need to be taken care of first!’ Chicago community where 97% voted for Biden react furiously after finding out 500 migrants are heading their way – as some claim they have been bumped off housing waiting lists.

   
   You are obsolete as a Dem constituency. You’re being replaced.

   https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12079259/Chicago-community-97-voted-Biden-react-furiously-finding-500-migrants-coming.html

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6. 

   fishondope

   13 May 2023

   NC Gov. Cooper schools far right authoritarian anti-abortionist religious cultists.

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   fishanthrope

   13 May 2023

   Posted by: fishondope | 13 May 2023 at 08:13 AM
   Hi jeffy. Good to see Shannon is letting you have more internet time you can use the aerobic exercise.

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8. 

   Bill Tozer

   13 May 2023

   While Joe Biden may not face legal actions for his crime syndicate with Garland as AG, our current President has more than crossed the ethical line. With E-mails, bank records (which do not lie), and witnesses, Joe Biden is the most corrupt President since US Grant and his cronies selling whiskey. Sickening.

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   Bill Tozer

   13 May 2023

   It boggles the mind to consider as big as New York City is, it only took 10,000 illegals filing false amnesty claims to bring the city to her knees. Imagine what 100,000 more would do.
   ‘NYC Mayor Adams considers abandoned prison, asks property owners to house influx of migrants’
   https://justthenews.com/government/state-houses/nyc-mayor-adams-consider-abandon-prison-asks-property-owners-house-influx

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10. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    re: BillT@8:48AM
    https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/homeless-vets-are-being-booted-from-ny-hotels-to-make-room-for-migrants-advocates/
    I can’t say there’s anything shocking here. There’s always going to be some sort of hierarchy, it’s just that they-who-must-be-obeyed have cooked up a new one in the last 25 years or so. Purely practical means for choosing (citizens over non-citizens, test scores, ‘blind’ auditions, etc.) get booted to the curb pretty quickly as the natural human tendency to rank takes hold again.
    I also can’t blame anyone for taking advantage of the situation.
    What makes it seem kind of unfair I guess is that this hierarchy wasn’t really organic, it was achieved by taking control of existing organizations. You get a lot of bang for your buck by conquering a large non-profit (Pew for instance), a teachers’ union, or a district attorney’s office. It isn’t like the population as a whole voted for mass immigration in the mid 1960s, it was set in place by a few people in a position to do so. By the time anyone notices, it’s too late.

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11. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    re: The health-industrial complex at work.
    https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/cuomo-aide-admits-they-hid-nursing-home-data-from-feds/
    I wonder sometimes if it’ll take 100 years for the truths about the way COVID was handled to come out.
    I expect that the reality is that scads of organizations will work overtime to burn or erase their records.

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12. 

    Gregory

    13 May 2023

    Jeff Pellne (ropedfish) 152p
    “Everyone polled might have had a different idea in their mind about what it means to be a Socialist, or about Socialism; about “far right”, Gregory.”
    I don’t know anyone here who is “far right” and Jeff Pellne doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. I remain a centrist classical liberal (libertarian, given the theft of “liberal” by the hard left).
    Most of the folks here are unapologetic Republican. That isn’t me but unapologetic Republicans value freedom of speech and that’s good enough for me.

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13. 

    Gregory

    13 May 2023

    A proper name was misspelled twice in my post above. The post was blocked, several times, with the name spelled correctly.

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14. 

    fishanthrope

    13 May 2023

    Jeff Pellne doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.
    You can tell by noting that the “hole in the ground” is considerably smaller.

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15. 

    George Rebane

    13 May 2023

    Gregory 1032am – I saw your multiple attempts in the spam folder to post the 943am comment. Deleting the others, I have posted your first attempt, believing it to be the correct version. Apologies for Typepad’s errata.

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16. 

    Psulimon the Magnificent

    13 May 2023

    Bill 8:42
    So you say, what are you referring to?
    No comment on Trump or Clarence Thomas?
    Got your ethics blinders on?

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17. 

    fishanthrope

    13 May 2023

    Got your ethics blinders on?
    Well you certainly do!

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18. 

    Paul Emery

    13 May 2023

    Gregory
    If you support Social Security and Medicare does that make you a socialist in your interpretation?

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    Scott O

    13 May 2023

    PM 10:58 – “No comment on Trump or Clarence Thomas?”
    Wouldn’t that be your job?
    Apparently you can show the bank records of Thomas and Trump getting millions from China and spreading the money out into shell corps?
    We’re all ears!

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    Scott O

    13 May 2023

    Paul – SS isn’t socialism, it’s a fed govt mandated Ponzi scheme. The only people that support it are freeloaders and idiots. SS expenditures already exceed income from FICA taxes. In less than 10 years even the phony “investments” will be gone.
    No wonder the feds want more inflation.

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    Paul Emery

    13 May 2023

    So you are opposed to it Scott. How would you mane the transition to eliminating both of those?

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22. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 May 2023

    More on South Shore High School (30 seconds)
    https://www.air.tv/watch?v=QKbp59j2RAaSx1W_lr-CQg
    The face of White Privilege is the Martha’s Vineyard Neighborhood Watch.

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23. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “SS isn’t socialism, it’s a fed govt mandated Ponzi scheme.”
    I believe that at the lower end of the scale, both SS and Medicare are simply a form of alms for the poor. Especially in the case of Medicare, those folks put far less money in than they will take out on average. Dunno if either one is ‘socialist’ since variants have always existed. Imperial Germany had public pensions and Imperial Rome had public food. My gut feeling is that most words ending with ‘ist’ are mostly sophistry (which at least has it’s ‘ist’ in the middle).
    Typically, if someone says ‘I’m a XXXXist’, it’s bullshit. Whether you’re a Nevada City minstrel or do something useful for a living, it’s always more complicated than that.

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    Bill Tozer

    13 May 2023

    From Dr. Rebane’s Glossary of Terms, aka, the Idiots’ Guide to Accepted Definitions
    Socialism, socialist
    ➢ A collectivist form of governance that seeks as its endgame the state ownership of the means of production and distribution which it executes through a centralized process of planning and control. Socialism teaches that it can be achieved through a bit by piece transformation of capitalism, there need be no sudden overturn of the existing system or “basic character of the state”. A socialist is defined in ‘Who is a socialist?’ a related piece linked below.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/07/who-is-a- socialist.html

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25. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “If you support Social Security and Medicare does that make you a socialist in your interpretation?”
    I’ll even be polite even though you don’t deserve it.
    I’d say that ‘socialism’ is not defined by transfer payments, it’s more defined as common/public ownership of productive assets.
    To me, the more interesting case is one of control vs ownership as you can have the first without the second. Perhaps there’s a name for that but I lack a good reliable symbol set for defining organization. Is PG&E a ‘socialist’ organization is a better question than thinking about Medicare.

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26. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 May 2023

    “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.” W. Churchill
    Ain’t that the truth. The Gospel of Envy and philosophy of Failure. Loser. Lou Lou loser.
    More from Ruminations, May 10, 2023, updated.
    Biden crime family.” PJ Media report (here) that this latest trove of “bombshell evidence” was to be released today by Rep James Comer chair of the House Oversight Committee investigating the source of all the Biden family millions. But it appears that this bombshell was just another in the long line of evidentiary duds as the sun sets tonight and all is quiet on the lamestream media front, not even a fizzle of it in the New York Post.
    https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2023/05/ruminations-10may23.html

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27. 

    Paul Emery

    13 May 2023

    Thank you scenes for your reasonable explanation of socialism as you interpret it.

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    Gregory

    13 May 2023

    Punchy, where have I sang the praises of Social Security and Mediscare?
    It will go away when the Congress thinks they can save their own asses by modifying the old cruddy deal. I suppose means testing will be tried.
    The FDR’s New Deal Democrats installed SS by lying to Americans… they had to be convinced they’d only be getting their own money back.

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29. 

    Bill Tozer

    13 May 2023

    ‘Democrats Hold Glaring Double Standards On SCOTUS Financial Disclosures’
    Democrats have spent weeks going after Clarence Thomas for financial disclosures but turn a blind eye to leftist justices’ ethical slip-ups
    https://thefederalist.com/2023/05/12/democrats-hold-glaring-double-standards-when-it-comes-to-supreme-court-justice-financial-disclosures/

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30. 

    Scott O

    13 May 2023

    Paul – “How would you mane (manage?) the transition to eliminating both of those?”
    The govt would first have to admit they made a big mistake in setting up these systems. And we know that’s not going to happen.
    The sad fact is we are stuck with them and a majority of the public that wants free stuff no matter what. We are in a destructive spiral where way too many people in the world have no clue how to make or pay for their expected standard of living. Spain lived way beyond their means by way of plundering silver and gold from the Americas. Our country is simply printing money and going into debt that we absolutely will not be able to pay for.
    Enjoy!

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31. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    re: psul@12:51
    Well, me and Merriam-Webster.
    ” any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods”

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32. 

    Psulimon the Magnificant

    13 May 2023

    Bill 12:46, thanks for posting that for Scott O. Maybe he will realize that his propaganda network is failing to give him factual information.
    HunterGate is just another witch-hunt gone bad.
    Trump on the other hand is dancing like a chicken on a hot plate for all his moral, ethical, and legal transgressions.
    The SCOTUS Thomases have shown themselves to be devoid of ethics.
    Hunter was involved in some business dealings. So what? Jared Kushner is making out like a bandit peddling influence.

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    Paul Emery

    13 May 2023

    Scott
    So in your view the same things were happening whey Trump was President including the two years the Republicans controlled the House and Senate so why didn’t the Repubs take the same measures thyy are proposing now by proposing massive cuts in spending by setting a debt ceiling. Is not the situation the same as it was under Trump?

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34. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “Is not the situation the same as it was under Trump?”
    Hey, I’ll take that one.
    Yes it is. The same people run the government now as then. They want to go to war with Russia, let in unlimited immigrants, give money to defense contractors and drug companies. Generally, a Republican Congressman is mostly indistinguishable from a Democrat and the place where the rubber hits the road, the bureaucracy, they’re practically all Democrats.
    That’s why you need to throw a grenade into the system now and then, Trump being an example, and hope for the best. Biden is simply one more stoker on the Train to Hell.

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35. 

    Gregory

    13 May 2023

    Punchy 126p is just punching.
    During the first two years where the GOP had a bare majority in both houses, Trump was being tormented by the media with false claims of collusion with Russia, an invention of the Hilary campaign.

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36. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    simplified: “Trump was being tormented by the media”
    I wonder if there was another case where a new President was simply not given a chance from the get-go? It’s almost like the immune system in Washington all went crazy at once.
    It’s funny how man who is well-liked by a sizeable fraction of the country can cause such a violent reaction by the bureaucrats, MSM, and corporate executives. It’s almost like they don’t share an interest with the common man. Go figger.

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37. 

    fishanthrope

    13 May 2023

    Posted by: scenes | 13 May 2023 at 01:43 PM
    Hey, I’ll take that one.
    Now scenes….we talked about doing psul’s homework for him. How is he ever going to learn unless you let him noodle it through himself (Yes….I know it’s getting a little late in the game for that but hey let’s be positive! Maybe he’ll surprise us with an original thought one of these days!)

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38. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “Punchy 126p is just punching.”
    Oh, I know. He asks questions like an overly smug Young Republican.
    I’d say that the Trump situation will only be written about in 100+ years with any accuracy. In the meantime, we’ll have the priesthood chiseling Akhenaten’s face off of all the statues.
    Whether that history will be written in Mandarin or AI-only accessible data remains to be seen.

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39. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “we talked about doing psul’s homework for him.”
    Obviously, my own thinking is muddled and grey. It’s hard for a single mote to understand the cloud.
    psul has the additional problem of thinking and believing only in headlines. Perhaps it’s the extra-big type.

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40. 

    Don Bessee

    13 May 2023

    Team creepy grampa joe really hate citizens –
    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2023/05/13/ny-hotels-boot-homeless-veterans-to-shelter-released-migrants/
    😉

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41. 

    Psulimon the Magnificent

    13 May 2023

    Chatbot 3.5 to the rescue on why socialism is good for America,
    Socialism is a political and economic system that seeks to promote equality and shared ownership of resources and means of production. While some people view socialism as a negative force that stifles economic growth and personal freedom, there are compelling arguments for why socialism could be good for America.
    One of the primary benefits of socialism is its potential to reduce income inequality. In capitalist societies, wealth tends to be concentrated in the hands of a small percentage of the population, leading to widespread poverty and social unrest. Socialism, on the other hand, seeks to redistribute wealth and resources more equitably, ensuring that all members of society have access to basic necessities like food, healthcare, and education.
    Another advantage of socialism is its potential to promote social cohesion and reduce conflict. By promoting the idea of shared ownership and collective responsibility, socialism can help foster a sense of community and common purpose. This can lead to greater social harmony and cooperation, which in turn can help to reduce crime, improve public health, and promote overall well-being.
    Finally, socialism could be good for America because it could help address some of the most pressing environmental challenges facing our planet. By promoting sustainable practices and reducing reliance on fossil fuels, socialism could help to mitigate climate change and protect the natural world for future generations.
    Of course, there are also potential downsides to socialism, including the risk of stifling innovation and economic growth. However, by carefully balancing the benefits and drawbacks of socialism, it is possible to create a system that promotes both economic prosperity and social justice.

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42. 

    Paul Emery

    13 May 2023

    So Scenes do you see Trump as the answer to the budget problems that you claim will lead to our downfall.

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43. 

    Gregory

    13 May 2023

    Punchy can’t think, only punches.

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44. 

    fishanthrope

    13 May 2023

    However, by carefully balancing the benefits and drawbacks of socialism, it is possible to create a system that promotes both economic prosperity and social justice.
    ….and the widespread distribution of Greek Fisherman’s caps to the populace.

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    Scott O

    13 May 2023

    Paul – not Trump nor any POTUS will save us from ourselves. The debt problem started back in the 30’s and despite the smart folks pointing out what was coming, the problem was never really addressed. If Trump had really tried to do something actually meaningful to try to head off the coming disaster, you would have been screaming your head off about how evil he was. There’s blame all over. But now even if the current politicians running DC were to magically wake up honest and enlightened, and really tried to pass laws to rein in the out of control spending, at least 30% of Americans would be out in the streets causing mayhem and violence like you’ve never seen.
    Look at France. The left and the right are out in the streets cursing the govt because the cupboard is bare and France can’t simply print dough like we can. And pretty soon we won’t be able to either. Then what?

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46. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “So Scenes do you see Trump as the answer to the budget problems that you claim will lead to our downfall.”
    I can see a financial collapse, some sort of bond apocalypse, happening. Downfall? Perhaps a change in the type of government. The name might stay the same. What is a downfall? The Democrats and Old School Republicans seem determined to have WWIII, so perhaps it doesn’t matter.
    About the only power that Trump might have would be to enable economic expansion. If the economy, the valuable part of the economy, grows fast enough, you can put off the inevitable. Some combination of easing of regulations, more resource extraction, pro-growth trade policy, encouragement of useful work, encouragement of useful education, all things a President could do by turning knobs on The Machine.
    For instance, let’s say that student loans were only available for STEM programs. It’s insane to subsidize BlackWimmenAsianQueer Studies or law degrees.
    Remember that a lot of the spending is unnegotiable.
    A few money wasting things need the axe, the Deep State’s need for fighting Russia, the Deep State’s DEI religion.
    All of this needs to be done via the Executive Department, so there’s only so much wiggle room.
    Any real change comes with a ready-made assortment of super-villains to scotch the deal. A kind of anti-destination league. If not Trump, another uniquely retail-politics man who will be hated by the usual suspects.
    Naturally, the likely outcome is a slow motion disaster. The zombie apocalypse moves slowly and surely.
    tl;dr Sure, why not? Maybe not. Any man doing what needs doing will be torn down also.

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47. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    from the popo blotter. The Karen Department is always listening and watching.
    911 RPTG MALE W/ AXE HACKING ON WOOD IN BACK PARKING LOT OF THE NATIONAL HOTEL. RP VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE HE SHOULDNT BE THERE WMA BLN HAIR BACKWARDS HAT ——————————[CAD12/4051 05/12/23 19:48:15] EVENT CALL TYPE CHANGED FROM DIS ——————————[2O23/MDT 05/12/23 19:58] CONTACTED SUBJECT WHO WAS CUTTING A DOWN PICE OFF WOOD FOR WOODWORKING. SUBJECT WAS ADVISED TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE CITY PRIOR TO COLLECTING WOOD. WOOD WAS NOT LOCATED ON THE NATIONALS PROPERTY. CBC ——————————[2O23/MDT 05/12/23 20:19] CONTACT MADE WITH RP. RP WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT A MAN WAS CARRING AN AXE AND HACKSAW THROUGH THE CITY. RP STATED THE SUJBECT WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT JEFFREY DAHMER AND REQUESTED A BACK GROUND CHECK. RP REQUESTED REPORT AND THAT THE DETECTIVES LOOK INTO THE INCIDENT. RP WAS ADVISED THAT THE SUBJECT WAS JUST TRYING TO GET WOOD FOR A WOODWORKING PROJECT AND WAS IN COLLEGE FOR FORESTRY. RP WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME AND REQUESTED THE SUBJECT GO TO JAIL. CBC

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48. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    “However, by carefully balancing the benefits and drawbacks of socialism, it is possible to create a system that promotes both economic prosperity and social justice.”
    Only with real socialism.

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49. 

    scenes

    13 May 2023

    Gregory: “Punchy can’t think, only punches.”
    I admit that it’s like talking to an ELIZA program.

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    Scott O

    13 May 2023

    PM 2:31 – Hilarious!
    “Socialism is a political and economic system that seeks to promote equality and shared ownership of resources and means of production.”
    It ‘seeks to promote’.
    Seeking to promote the fairest and bestest society ever, cost 10s of millions of innocent lives much of which were within my lifetime.
    Please spare me those who seek nirvana on earth among humans.
    Humans have never been nor ever will be equal and trying to achieve that only ends with 99% of us much worse off than we are now.

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