265 responses to “Sandbox – 11may23”

1. 

   Cereal Liar

   11 May 2023

   No mention of Trump’s CNN town hall?

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   Scott O

   11 May 2023

   Serial Liar – We were counting on you Trump fanatics for that.
   The dude is living in your head, rent free. Enjoy!

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   Scott O

   11 May 2023

   “The Biden administration proposed new limits Thursday on greenhouse gas emissions from coal- and gas-fired power plants,”
   Hooray! More expensive electrical power!
   Just in time for all the folks buying electric cars.
   Best quote:
   “The plan would not only “improve air quality nationwide, but it will bring substantial health benefits to communities all across the country, especially our frontline communities … that have unjustly borne the burden of pollution for decades,” Regan said in a speech at the University of Maryland.”
   OK – what in hell is a “front line” community?
   “”This administration is committed to meeting the urgency of the climate crisis and taking the necessary actions required,” EPA Administrator Michael Regan said during Thursday’s announcement.”
   Ah – the “climate crisis”! Covid crisis is over – on to the next crisis.
   https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/nation-world/epa-proposes-1st-limits-on-power-plants-greenhouse-gas-emissions/507-24622e1d-55d4-4cbb-8d3d-10b4d292c377

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4. 

   scenes

   11 May 2023

   from prior sandbox from Mr. Fish: “A US Default Would Lead To Clearinghouse Collapse And Shockwave Of Catastrophic Treasury Margin Calls”
   Well jeesh, how could it not happen. When you combine things like machine trading and super-derivative magic being swapped, I can’t see how it’s avoidable.
   Naturally, the important thing for Wise Men to do with their PowerPoint charts is to make an impossibly complex thing even more complex with more and more rules. After those are cleverly sidestepped, you need even more rules.
   It’s in the nature of statists. You at least partly cause a problem and then you make more by thinking you understand it. Using impossibly odd and somewhat arbitrary rules for energy production and consumption is another. Making children have widespread mental health issues and then think you can solve the problem by doing more of the same in yer average modern school is another. Everyone is stupid concerning complex systems, but a bureaucrat is stupider still.

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   scenes

   11 May 2023

   “Trump fanatics”
   Oh well. It’ll mostly turn into a giant argument between people who want to legislate government-funded late-term abortions vs. those who want to legislate against child mutilation.
   I guess it really is all about the children.

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   Scott O

   11 May 2023

   scenes 12:08 – A default would be a net plus. Maybe if a lot of people stop buying US debt we could sorta maybe start to live within our means? Sure, a few cities might burn but after a certain community realizes they’ve been played yet again by the Dems and there won’t be millions of dollars and a mule those cities will be torched anyway.
   I’m thinking the Rs just might hold the line this time, but I’m sure not holding my breath.

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7. 

   fish

   11 May 2023

   You can’t tell if they’re putting together the “Enemies List” because they’re supremely confident or pissing themselves in terror.
   

   DHS Producing Videos Teaching Citizens How To Identify “Radicalized” Conservatives

   https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dhs-producing-videos-teaching-citizens-how-identify-radicalized-conservatives

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8. 

   Gregory

   11 May 2023

   And now for something completely different… earthquakes. 15 minutes or so ago a text message popped up on my phone… earthquake coming. It hit moments later.
   That was moderately spooky… my first forwarning of an earthquake.
   Apparently a ~5.4 centered in Plumas County near Chester.

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9. 

   fish

   11 May 2023

   Posted by: Gregory | 11 May 2023 at 04:36 PM
   Yeah! First one I’ve been conscious of in 30 years.

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10. 

    Paul Emery

    11 May 2023

    George
    Can you provide links to the surveys you refer to?

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11. 

    Gregory

    11 May 2023

    George, please let Punchy find them hisself.

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12. 

    Don Bessee

    11 May 2023

    As if the ponytail of ignorance actually reads anything much less understands it!
    😉

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13. 

    Don Bessee

    11 May 2023

    The invasion is in full swing and no one knows who the f they are –
    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2023/05/11/video-texas-military-troopers-turn-back-wave-of-migrants-border-river-crossing/
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/exclusive-nrcc-releases-video-slamming-hakeem-jeffries-claiming-border-crisis-fictional/
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/biden-officials-advertise-to-foreign-nationals-how-best-to-get-into-u-s-while-claiming-borders-are-not-open/
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/photos-migrants-form-lines-along-southern-border-hopes-getting-freed-into-us-title-42-ending/
    😉

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    Paul Emery

    11 May 2023

    Gregory
    It’s pretty basic protocol to provide links for bold statements. I know you’re having a rough time right now after your guy Trumps pitiful performance last night. Besides it was George I requested the links from anyway.

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    Don Bessee

    11 May 2023

    Thats got to count as abuse of students –
    Harris 1st woman to deliver West Point commencement speech
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/harris-1st-woman-deliver-west-145506818.html
    😉

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16. 

    Don Bessee

    11 May 2023

    Well the ponytail of ignorance ignores the fact that cnn had its biggest ratings in a decade. LOL Lets see creepy grampa joe do an hour of live questions from a hostile host. Never gonna happen. But seriously, is there really a ponytail anymore, asking for a friend.
    😉

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17. 

    Don Bessee

    11 May 2023

    Thank God –
    A federal judge on Thursday evening blocked the Biden administration from implementing a policy that allows for the release of migrants without court dates – just hours away from the end of the Title 42 public health order.
    Judge T. Kent Wetherell II imposed a two-week restraining order on the Biden administration policy with would see migrants released on “parole with conditions.”
    The policy was outlined in a Border Patrol memo, which says that migrants can be allowed into the country on parole — a process typically reserved for “urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit” — if Customs and Border Protection (CBP) faces overcrowding. The memo calls the practice “parole with conditions” as migrants are required to make an appointment with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or request a Notice to Appear by mail.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-blocks-biden-admin-releasing-migrants-without-court-dates-title-42-expires
    😉

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18. 

    Scott O

    11 May 2023

    Paul – “…after your guy Trumps pitiful performance last night.”
    Gee Paul – do you have any facts to rebut anything Trump said?
    Talk about ‘pitiful’.

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    Paul Emery

    12 May 2023

    Scott
    Here’s an example of Trumps lies:
    Trump said the war in Ukraine would be over in a day once he became President. Do you believe that? He provided no factual evidence.
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4000787-trump-ukraine-russia-reaction-doubt-derision/

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20. 

    fish

    12 May 2023

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 May 2023 at 03:51 AM
    Do you believe that……?
    Much like jeffy…..or Porkanthrope as he is more correctly addressed….it’s good to see those “fake newsman” instincts are still sharp.

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21. 

    Gregory

    12 May 2023

    “It’s pretty basic protocol to provide links for bold statements.”
    It’s not that bold a statement, Punch. I’ve seen it before. I’d guess a Pew or Gallup poll report.
    “I know you’re having a rough time right now after your guy Trumps pitiful performance last night.”
    I didn’t see the CNN ‘townhall’, live or by Memorex, and once again, Trump isn’t “my guy”. That reminds me, I owe you a throwing to the curb for a similar past mendacity of yours.
    “Besides it was George I requested the links from anyway.”
    And it is an uncanny coincidence that I was writing to George, not you. So, STFU.

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22. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    “Lets see creepy grampa joe do an hour of live questions from a hostile host.”
    Well, that’s the thing isn’t it? President Potato is basically driven via remote control with everyone holding their breath when he goes off script. My guess is that no one commenting here has seen the town hall, so it’s all just the typical psul bullshit now that he’s decided to escape the Trump Derangement thread with his nonsense.
    Joe Rogan:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEADMS0e2go
    re: DHS
    I did like this document, and you can see where they are headed.
    https://aflegal.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/09040902/2022-HQFO-00179-AFL.pdf
    It could be that trusting the 17 intelligence agencies to run the world wasn’t a smart move, but what do I know?

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23. 

    Fishanthrope

    12 May 2023

    “According to recent surveys 49% of Americans find socialism to be an acceptable way to organize society, including the United States”
    Paul is justified in his question.
    Define what the pollsters meant by “socialism”.
    Samuel Jackson argued that socialism has been “used as a pejorative term, without any clear definition, by conservatives and right-libertarians to taint liberal and progressive policies, proposals and public figures.[10] The term socialization has been mistakenly used to refer to any state or government-operated industry or service (the proper term for such being either municipalization or nationalization).” Wikileaks

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24. 

    Fishanthrope

    12 May 2023

    White nationalism is a type of racial nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race and seeks to develop and maintain a white racial and national identity. Many of its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation, or a “white ethnostate”. Wikipedia
    Tommy Tuberville does not even know who he is.

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25. 

    fish

    12 May 2023

    Posted by: Fishanthrope | 12 May 2023 at 07:31 AM
    Fishanthrope……I rather like that!
    Anyway psul isn’t, “justified in his question” as he has admitted on numerous occasions that he never reads the links provided. Something about being simply too bizzy!
    But a lack of links does give him an opportunity to indulge in his second favorite activity after his Trump obsession which is complaining that…. “you people really need to do my homework for me”! It’s the “Dirty Hippy instinct maannnnn!
    Anyway….if you’re so determined to make psul happy, you can dig up and post links for him over at your cemetery blog…..plenty of open space over there…no posts since when? January maybe?

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26. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    “Define what the pollsters meant by “socialism”.”
    Doesn’t matter so much as what the pollees think it means and that it’s consistent.
    Since political theory is just so much word salad to 99% of humanity (and maybe should be to 100%) my own guess is that the term meant two things to them..
    . A slogan, a kind of branding for a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thing.
    . They personally benefit somehow, ie. the Free Shit Army
    I think that increasing ownership/control of the economy by .gov was always baked into the cake as the population became more urbanized and less self-employed. Triple bonus points for increasing diversity as social glue disappears. Really, what’s the difference between working for Walmart or the US government? They’re both filled with bastards that scrabble their way up through the system for status and money. They’re both filled with rules. They’ll have inter and intra department wars. Give Walmart guns and jails and the ability to arbitrarily incarcerate and kill and there’s no difference to speak of.

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    Paul Emery

    12 May 2023

    fishhole
    Once again why don’t you share with readers the reason you won’t use your real name. Is it because you will embarrass friends and family or jeopardize your job if you have one? Perhaps are a paid harasser. It will just take a couple of sentences so why not give it a go. If you have done this and I missed it run it again for new readers.
    By the way I do follow links if they are from credible sources. I respect Georges opinion and i’m curious as to where his information comes from.

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28. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    Scotto: “A default would be a net plus. ”
    I admit that budget impasses are fun to watch.
    They’re usually of no value in the sense that government shucks off the useless parts. That never happens. Typically there seems to be a combination of randomness of shutdown, due to the budget system itself, plus highly targeted shutdowns intended to punish the voters..who then are expected to put pressure on the badthinker elected officials.
    It isn’t like the Department of Education shuts it’s doors, it’ll be national parks.
    You can argue that any whirlwind of adventurous closures are a good thing. If you just keep building the levee higher and higher, the flood will be worse. Breakdowns in systems force people to think about getting their personal lives in order, build in a little resilliance.

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29. 

    fisanthrope

    12 May 2023

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 May 2023 at 08:07 AM
    How on earth did you find the time to post that? I mean…..busy, so busy…..busy, bizzy, busy, bizay?
    If you have done this and I missed it run it again for new readers.
    Yeah….I’ll send you a link!
    By the way I do follow links if they are from credible sources.
    Says the man who covers himself in baby oil and rolls around on a rubber sheet while perusing raw story.com….
    Credible links indeed!

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    fishanthrope

    12 May 2023

    Here’s a link psul….and from a dispassionate and credible source!
    

    Biden Expects Chaos at the Border, He’s Finally Right About Something

    https://mishtalk.com/economics/biden-expects-chaos-at-the-border-hes-finally-right-about-something

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31. 

    fishanthrope

    12 May 2023

    Posted by: scenes | 12 May 2023 at 08:11 AM
    Someone will make a call. McCarthy will fold. After all that is his role in this!

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32. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    Speaking of ‘credible’ sources:

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33. 

    Scott O

    12 May 2023

    Paul 3:51 – ” He provided no factual evidence.”
    Well – was there a war in the Ukraine when he was prez?
    Hmmmm?
    And where is Paul’s ‘evidence’ that Trump is lying?
    Would love to see Paul in a courtroom trying to convince a judge that someone is lying.
    “He’s lying, yer honor, and the proof is I don’t believe him…”
    Hilarious.

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    Scott O

    12 May 2023

    scenes 8:01 – “They personally benefit somehow, ie. the Free Shit Army”
    That’s pretty much it.
    “I have a RIGHT to stuff and some one else will have to figure out how to pay for it.”
    Probably not one person in a hundred in this country understands the way our federal govt was set up and what its proper duties are.
    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”
    – some old dead white guy

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    Paul Emery

    12 May 2023

    Scott
    Do you believe Trump when he says he will end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours if he is elected President? I know you’re a Trump supporter so you must have some information.

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    scenes

    12 May 2023

    Scotto: “And where is Paul’s ‘evidence’ that Trump is lying?”
    Is this about the claim that he can end the war in Ukraine on the first day?
    First off, English seems to be a second language to a lot of people. ‘Lie’ would mean to knowingly say something is not true, not:
    a) Say something that is false that you believe is true .or.
    b) Say something about the future.
    but by golly, it sure sounds more punchy than saying someone is making an improbably claim.
    That done, I find a statement like that reasonably credible. Simply look at the Iranian hostage situation. Lots of pre-election deal cutting, and then something that looks like magic occurs. There’s certainly a greater than zero chance that the Trump people could stop the war, or some reasonable facsimile of stopping, in ‘one day’ at the start of a term.
    Simply replacing the War Party with some other organization has got to be worth something, but the entrenched bureaucracy shows how difficult the War Party is to actually remove. The politicization of the 17 intelligence agencies and much of the Executive Branch seems to be complete.
    tl;dr It’s possible, not likely. People who claim things are ‘lies’ are either fools or propagandists.

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    Scott O

    12 May 2023

    Paul 8:58 – You offered Trump’s assessment of his handling the war as an example of him lying and I pointed out that wasn’t proof of a lie.
    My beliefs are not germane to the question.
    I take it you actually can’t refute anything Trump said at the CNN town hall event.

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38. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    In case anyone wants to see the Trump town hall thingie. Most of youtube is idiots talking about what they think about the thing they didn’t watch.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5brYeUSFXII
    It strikes me as a pretty good idea. Any publicity is good publicity and it’s super easy to find a network and ‘interviewer’ who has an uglier soul than any politician. It essentially becomes a campaign ‘debate’ with someone from the Psul News Network scrabbling about nothing that matters.
    I don’t doubt that that’s a much more effective venue for Trump than something like a Joe Rogan or Lex Fridman (or C-SPANs Brian Lamb back in the day) might be as it plays to a superpower that he has.
    You’ll probably see Biden in a similar stage with the same (CNN) interviewers asking ‘what is your favorite ice cream’ and ‘what are the high points of your administration’ while the diaper wallah rushes in with replacements during commercial breaks.

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    fishonarope

    12 May 2023

    Scenes 8:01, Yes, that is the problem with poll questions. The pollsters don’t define the buzzwords like Socialism, and we don’t know who they polled and what the pollees were thinking when they said they liked Socialism.
    But far right partisans lap that stuff up.

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40. 

    George Rebane

    12 May 2023

    re fishonarope 1052am – the requirement to explicitly define commonly used/understood words like ‘socialism’ and ‘woke’ before using them will effectively stop the discussion without such definitions. Even providing the needed definition doesn’t always work, since both parties may not agree to accept the other’s meaning for the word. In discussing more complex notions here on RR I have resorted to a personal glossary that will inform the reader the sense in which I use a term. And even that does not guarantee that a productive discussion will ensue – ‘Well, it depends what you mean by “is”.’

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41. 

    Gregory

    12 May 2023

    Roped fish 1052a
    Define “far right partisans”.

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42. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    “Define “far right partisans”.”
    Something to do with ‘hard right’ I’ll bet.
    Basically, ‘things everybody thought not so long ago’. ‘Far right’ would include Bill Clinton while ‘Superduper Far Right’ would be 1980s Joe Biden and Strom Thurmond.

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43. 

    Gregory

    12 May 2023

    Nirvana Silly’s own El Gordo Loco used to have two categories for political persuasions… “moderate” for him and his fellow travelers, and “far right” for anyone to his right.
    What has happened to Jeff Pelline? Any sightings in town?

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44. 

    Gregory

    12 May 2023

    coulda sworn I posted a comment circa 1230p

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45. 

    fishanthrope

    12 May 2023

    “White Supremacy”……far left dunderheads lap that stuff up.

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46. 

    fishonarope

    12 May 2023

    George Rebane 11:33, Thanks, but Socialism is not a clearly defined term in many minds. Maybe if we see your sources and can dig into the polls we would know more. I hear people, memes, confusing Socialism with Communism and I think many low information voters are in this group. That is my point about an out of the blue poll question regarding Socialism. Everyone polled might have had a different idea in their mind about what it means to be a Socialist, or about Socialism;
    or about “far right”, Gregory.
    Not sure why Clinton or Biden would have fit the far right label.

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47. 

    Gregory

    12 May 2023

    “white nationalist” is even more food for far left dunderheads.
    Have you ever participated in a US flag raising ceremony?

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    Scott O

    12 May 2023

    fish-on-dope 1:52 “Not sure why Clinton or Biden would have fit the far right label.”
    Because either you’ve ‘conveniently’ forgotten all the things Clinton and Biden ran on, or you never even paid attention.
    Even Obama ran on a campaign of being against gay marriage.

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49. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    “Not sure why Clinton or Biden would have fit the far right label.”
    I put up some links, and then thought better.
    It allowed me to go down the rabbit hole of Biden legislation in the Senate. Scads and scads of drug bills, crime bills, help the credit card company bills. It’s a combination of old-school jail ’em all law and plain old grift. Congress.gov has them all, sortable by date and name of sponsor.
    God knows what his politics are now, given the mental degradation.
    To be fair, an LBJ or JFK would look at the modern Democrats and be appalled. OTOH, given that both of them would fuck anything that moved, usually with the wife out of the room, they might well have been pro M to F transgender as it provides more opportunities.

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50. 

    scenes

    12 May 2023

    re: Scotto@2:31PM
    plus there’s all the Clinton/Obama/Biden immigration talk and legislation.

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