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George Rebane

As we anticipate the horrendous impact of abandoning Title 42 for managing the current tsunami of illegal aliens crossing our southern border, George Mason University economics professor Garett Jones comes out with The Culture Transplant (2022), a major essay on the enduring impact of cultures brought in by America’s immigrants.  In the book review (here) we read –

… cultural traits can persist for generations after migrants arrive in a new country. Newcomers don’t simply assimilate to their new homes; as the book’s subtitle puts it, they β€œmake the economies they move to a lot like the ones they left.” It’s a thesis that is at once highly provocative and a restatement of common sense: Poorly chosen immigrants can undermine a country’s success; cultures don’t disappear when people move from place to place.

A point long made in these pages, the presentation of this research underlines the damage, not only possible, but to be anticipated from the hordes of millions of illegals that have been released with no effective controls into all corners of our land.  More ominously –

… even after four generations in the U.S., immigrants continue to hold attitudes toward trust that are significantly influenced by their home countries. On a host of other matters, such as family, abortion and the role of government, fourth-generation immigrants on average converge only about 60% of the way to the national norm. β€œOverall,” Mr. Jones contends, β€œthat low level of conformity is a bad sign, unless you think most immigrants come from countries with better political attitudes than Americans currently have.”

The bottom line is that immigrants from bad and backward countries don’t leave their cultures behind.  They continue to embrace and practice them here, especially when they gather in ethnically homogenous enclaves.  The resulting disunity impedes the falsely touted assimilation, and gives lie to the progressives’ chant that β€˜Our diversity is our strength.’  In this shibboleth Jones writes β€œyou’re hearing the cultural equivalent of second marriages: a triumph of hope over experience.”  As demonstrated over the centuries, first and foremost, people like to live with their own kind, no matter where they locate.

In this work Prof Jones has introduced a migration-adjusted SAT (state, agriculture, technology) score which usefully predicts the assimilation attributes of our immigrant ethnicities – e.g. predicts more than 60% of modern day income differences between the groups as derived from their countries of origin.  It turns out that the technology component of SAT is the most impactive.  Correlating with their home countries –

Technology also seems to be the best long-run predictor of government quality. So the main story seems to be about technological development persisting over time, and of people bringing their technological capabilities to new places. 

Continuing to allow uncontrolled entry of millions of illegals portends a cultural and existential disaster for America – β€œThese concerns are immediate and tangible, not preoccupied with the effect of immigration generations from now. To address some of the more compelling worries, we might start placing greater emphasis on skills, perhaps implementing a points system, as Australia, Canada and the U.K. do, to grade potential immigrants.”

But first and foremost, to implement any of these factors into an immigration policy that sustains America, we have to secure our borders.  This is also understood by our neo-Marxist and anti-American elites who will fight tooth and nail to maintain our borders in their current dysfunctional state that promotes, nay invites, the uncontrolled invasion by millions of illegals who will implant their own counter-cultures in this fair land.

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123 responses to “Enduring Impact of Imported Cultures”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Word of the day: perusing
    β€œGeorge
    Your disregard for a diversity of cultures perusing their traditions, religions and customs in this country is what troubles me”
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 December 2022 at 02:50 PM”
    β€”β€”β€”
    β€œPaulE, as usual, you are all over the place with your assertions, allegations, and questions. Can you focus a bit, and come up with a thesis about cultures….
    For example, your 250pm indicates that you haven’t understood a word of what I wrote in my commentary, especially…”
    Posted by: George Rebane | 15 December 2022 at 08:39 PM
    Word of the day:
    peΒ·ruse
    /pΙ™Λˆro͞oz/
    verbFORMAL
    gerund or present participle: perusing
    read (something), typically in a thorough or careful way.
    “he has spent countless hours in libraries perusing art history books and catalogues”
    examine carefully or at length.
    “Laura perused a Caravaggio”
    What is the opposite of perusing?
    Opposite of to examine carefully or at length. neglect. overlook. skim. ignore.
    For example, your 250pm indicates that you haven’t understood a word of what I wrote in my commentary – what!!?
    Lack of purusing

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Hunter’s Hard Drive | 16 December 2022 at 10:54 AM
    Every progressive….desperately wanting to be a welfare recipient in their dotage.

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  3. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Hunter’s Hard Drive @ 10:54 am
    True, we need workers. We need skilled workers, people who speak English (the language of commerce ), people who can read and write, people with skills we need, no criminal records, and also laborers.
    The point I wish to made is we, as a sovereign nation, should be able to welcome workers of various skills we are short into the nation through a good orderly process known as legal immigration. We can sort out those who have a reasonable chance to be successful here, which is fair not only to the host nation, but to the immigrant as well.
    What I oppose is millions of illegals being forced upon this nation with knowing who they are, their background, their skills, etc.
    Tell me how a 53 year old single mother of two who is uneducated, illiterate in her native tongue and whose only skill is making hand made tortillas s going to now be a burden on the USA. Yes, we need those who can make home made rolled tortillas, but does, say, Nevada County need 50 or them? How many carpenters do we need? Lab techs? Truck drivers. Do we need 50 plumbers for a town/area that can only support 9?
    Better economic opportunity is not a valid reason for immigration to the USA. Legal immigration involves both parties. The immigrant who applies to be welcomed/invited in and the host country (USA) that welcomes/invites the immigrant in. Workers are given Green Cards which is another name for Permanent Resident Status…with restrictions.
    Yes, we need workers. My beef is for those who push their way in….line jumpers if you will, to shove their way into our country without regard to our legal orderly process. All nations on Earth have jails and prisons because all nations on Earth have bad actors…criminals, cheats, and behave outside the norms of the law. From pickpockets to rapists to the criminally insane. Thus, there is a vetting process. Good grief, we have enough home grown murderers and cheats and pushers and anti-social types of our own.
    Good Orderly Direction vs chaos, turmoil, carnage. Chaos is what is expected next week as 100,000 line jumpers per month with no regard to our laws or society come pouring in between legal points of entry.
    PS: illegals from Red China cannot be deported back…the CCP refuses to take them back.

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Let’s have free and unfettered immigration, assuming good character (no arrests) and a bachelors degree in physics, chemistry, mathematics or engineering (all types). Everyone else wait in line.
    Ooops, that would drive down the wages of people like me and my kid. Scratch that.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George and Bill
    I’m just putting things in perspective that our “road to freedom” included brutality, slaughter and looting to the cultures that already lived here. Even more disgusting is the notion that we were supported and encouraged by some Christian God or whatever in our pursuit of wealth and power leaving genocide and destruction in our path.

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Even more disgusting that that, Punchy, is your ignorance of our history of the past 6 million years or so.
    There’s an australopithecine in all of us.
    What you are doing is judging the past by the standards of the present, and conveniently putting yourself on the side of goodness and light in your faulty storytelling.
    Can you repeat after me… the doctrine of manifest destiny was never universally held in the USA?

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Are you able to deny that the “doctrine of manifest destiny” was the driving force behind our possessing and annexing all the lands west of the Mississippi making them part of the United States of America? How can you justify, for example, that the State of California supported bounties for the scalps of native people in what is California? Also can you show me one President who didn’t support the process of westward expansion and genocide against the Native Peoples during our “destiny” to control the lands and cultures that occupied the land previous to us invading and taking it over?

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “the driving force”? Where is your proof that is true?
    Again, you’ve not responded at all to this quote:
    “American imperialism did not represent an American consensus; it provoked bitter dissent within the national polity while the Whigs saw America’s moral mission as one of democratic example rather than conquest.”
    I’m more of a Whig than you are, Punch. Many real Libertarians are.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    I’m looking at the end result. Manifest Destiny was fulfilled was it not? Hoe does the ol’ song go?
    “America! America!
    God shed his grace on thee
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea!”
    And what is this “God” thing praising the slaughter and genocide of the true Native Americans”
    God shed his grace on thee
    Does that not imply god blessing Wounded Knee for example?

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “American imperialism did not represent an American consensus; it provoked bitter dissent within the national polity while the Whigs saw America’s moral mission as one of democratic example rather than conquest.”

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The G word: fingernails on the blackboard. SCREEEECH.
    I get it Psul. Before we can move from point A to point B, we must first go back to point L and point T. Ready to move forward, yet?
    I did find Gregory’s 8:23 am fascinating. Delicious. Before one European invader arrived. This is how it was…..point W.
    β€œhere’s the first Indian massacre listed by the wiki…
    Investigators “found the remains of at least 486 people killed during the attack. Most of these remains showed signs of ritual mutilation, particularly scalping. Other examples were tongues being removed, teeth broken, beheading, hands and feet being cut off, and other forms of dismemberment. In addition to the severity of the attack, most of the people showed signs of malnutrition and many had evidence of earlier wounds, likely from other attacks.”
    Nasty doings. Mid-14th century AD, perhaps 150 years before Columbus sailed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_Creek_massacre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres_in_North_America
    Posted by: Gregory | 16 December 2022 at 08:23 AM
    Now, what’s your take on unsecured US borders? Should we tear down all sections of the Wall Trump put up? What is the way to fix millions coming through over breaches? How to best plug the biggest gaps? Should we even want to plug the biggest gaps?
    Keep looking for that perfect President, the perfect nation, the perfect world. It will never exist on Earth because of bad hombres. Some are not as spiritually advanced as you and it’s a good thing you shoot blanks.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Take a literate people with a mastery of 19th century science and engineering away from a stultifying crowded Europe and let them loose on a continent sparsely settled by aboriginal hunter-gatherers… putting my George Carlin hat on, the result will not require an all powerful invisible man in the sky to forsee.
    The result you refuse to see is that the carnage stopped, and California now has more indigenous peoples than any other state.

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  13. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 16 December 2022 at 03:25 PM
    The result you refuse to see is that the carnage stopped, and California now has more indigenous peoples than any other state.

    Yeah but that means that psul would have to concede the point. Once that happens he’s just another old guy who made questionable life choices.
    No more moral superiority.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If you told me this would have fit anywhere near being on topic two days ago, I would not believed you. Yet, here we are.
    ‘White supremacy’: Presentation at Washington governor’s summit condemns objectivity, individualism
    Gov. Jay Inslee warned, “We don’t break centuries of habit and thinking, unless we decide to break the chains of that history.”
    It listed such values as β€œObjectivity”; β€œIndividualism”; β€œPerfectionism”; β€œWorship of the written word”; and a β€œSense of urgency.” The presentation advocated that these values be replaced by β€œindigenous relational pedagogy.”
    https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/white-supremacy-presentation-inslee-equity-summit-damns-objectivity
    Ah, time to have a moment of silence for the Polyps

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  15. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Inslee’s The Evergreen State College’s intellectual meltdown continues with Critical Theorists on top having their way with Western norms of truth, justice and the American way.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    First New York City cries for help, the Gavin, now Denver. Just pick up the phone and call the White House.
    “Hello, this is the White House. The border is secure. We are unable to take your call. Please try again later.” dial tone.
    https://www.rmpbs.org/blogs/news/migrants-arirve-in-denver-city-creates-emergency-shelter/

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    lest i be pilloried for incorrect cultural appropriation… happy saturnalia everyone!
    https://reason.com/volokh/2022/12/17/happy-saturnalia-6/

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  18. Jose Koyote Avatar
    Jose Koyote

    Border disaster is not an act of God β€” it’s an act of Biden
    https://nypost.com/2022/12/16/border-disaster-is-not-an-act-of-god-its-an-act-of-biden/

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  19. Smokeshow Avatar
    Smokeshow

    The latest narrative attempts to equate border crossing with drug smuggling. If true it would be a simple matter to search the luggage of the people crossing the border into our country. The TSA screens over a million passengers a day. The people crossing the border aren’t checking any luggage. Statistics indicate 2 million people crossed the border this year. TSA could have cleared them of drugs in a couple days.
    The border patrol is either incompetent or has been bought off by the cartels.

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    WTF is that @1248 how does the TSA fit into the open border reality and creepy grampa joes team has all the agents babysitting the tsunami instead of protecting the border. That was a joke right?
    πŸ˜‰

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don @ 4:14 pm
    WTF is correct. We are talking about hordes of illegals invading our country like a locus swarm over the southern border and Smokeshow is talking about the TSA/customs at airports?
    Most of the fentanyl seized that enters the USA is from vehicle traffic via our border checkpoints one agent says. If very well disguised, checking luggage will not help. Too well concealed. As far a foot traffic goes, the smugglers wait for a couple hundred or more illegal unvaccinated uneducated foreign nationals to cross, which of course draws all agents in the area to process and transport them. That is when the cost is clear and the drug smugglers waltz right on it without an agent in sight.
    Smokeshow sounds about as informed as that dipshit who said Bongino and somebody were banned by New Twitter, lol. Sounds more like Kenny Jonesy or Mr. Dick Howler, or Ms. Cooked….who said CNN will bust at the seams and grow, grow, grow.
    Why we entertain such fools shows our higher character. May be never be like them.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Anyone who claims the border is open They say anybody who claims that the border is open β€œis doing the job of smugglers and is peddling misinformation. Back to you.”
    FOX NEWS: CBP SEIZES 230,000 FENTANYL PILLS AT BORDER IN ARIZONA
    β€˜62 pounds of meth and 13 pounds of cocaine seized by CBP officers in three separate incidents there’ [just since last Thursday]
    https://news.grabien.com/story-fox-news-cbp-seizes-230000-fentanyl-pills-at-border-in-arizona
    Wow. I am doing the work of smugglers and am peddling misinformation. Yes, I am that important. Back to you in the TSA booth, Snortshow.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    β€œThe problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling” – T. Sowell
    Sowell meant to write Paul.

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  24. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    From the Gatestone Institute-
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19217/britain-multiculturalism-islam
    “Fewer than half the people in England and Wales are now Christian, the recent census revealed, with atheism and Islam gaining ground. For the first time since the 7th century AD, England is no longer majority-Christian. That was 1,300 years ago, when the islands were converted from paganism to Christianity. In 2011, in the previous census, Christians numbered 59% of the population. Now, they number 46%.”
    The former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, warned that Christianity “is a generation away from extinction”.
    We now face the aging and self-destruction of the Christian populations of the Enlightenment and their religious and cultural traditions; the exponential growth of Islam; the elites celebrating multiculturalism rather than working for the integration of minorities, and overturned demographics. What could possibly go wrong?”
    Fortunately, that can’t happen here in America. Or at least not until 3322 AD. I was worried there for a minute.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah Gregory it took a lot of deep thinking by the highly intelligent to come up with Trump as President. Hows your Trump Digital Trading Card collection doing?

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I see you’re still pretending that I’m a Trump supporter in order to damage my reputation.
    We’ll chat soon. Want to go target shooting?

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  27. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    In the meantime, you were the idiot using the lyrics of America the Beautiful, written by a reputed lesbian professor of English years later, trying to prove Manifest Destiny was universal and the reason the first governor of California, a Democrat, had declared war against native peoples.

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well, the mayor finally switched his tune.
    Not Safe’: El Paso Mayor Declares State Of Emergency Over Border Crisis
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/not-safe-el-paso-mayor-declares-state-of-emergency-over-border-crisis
    Let’s do the math. Projected 15,000 illegal entrances a day works out to 100,000 per week.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Abbott Sounds The Alarm About The End Of Title 42: β€˜Total Chaos…Catastrophic’
    β€œAbbott called on President Joe Biden to enforce the existing laws. Earlier this month, a federal judge blocked the administration from ending Trump’s β€œRemain in Mexico” program, which sent some non-Mexican migrants to Mexico while awaiting immigration hearings rather than being detained or released in the U.S.
    β€œIf the President steps up and does his job, required by the Constitution and required by the federal courts, and enforces Remain in Mexico, that would have the same level of effectiveness as keeping Title 42 in place,” said Abbott.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/abbott-sounds-the-alarm-about-the-end-of-title-42-total-chaos-catastrophic

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Narcan could be required by California in gas stations, schools following rise in fentanyl deaths
    https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/narcan-could-be-required-california-gas-stations-schools-following-rise

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  31. Smokeshow Avatar
    Smokeshow

    Thanks for making my point about the rightwing propaganda equating smuggling drugs with immigration yesterday evening.
    Don’t rightwingers get tired of rebooting the same old Trump lies and being fact checked?
    And let’s not talk about the demand in El Norte for workers and drugs. That’s the Mexican’s fault, of course.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    shitshow 106p
    “Thanks for making my point about the rightwing propaganda equating smuggling drugs with immigration yesterday evening.”
    Most migrants don’t smuggle, illegal migrants do. You know, “criminals”.
    Don’t try to fight “rightwing propaganda” with baldfaced leftwing/progressive/Marxist propaganda.

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  33. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @ 1:06 pm
    It’s hard to have an intelligent conversation on the specific topic our border crisis if you refuse to differentiate between illegal aliens and legal immigrants.
    Sure, the old β€œif there was not a market for ______,, then we would not have the drug problem. Fill in blank with cocaine and the cocaine wars, heroin…black tar heroin, Angel Dust, etc. The initial COVID first wave sure killed the demand for Corona cerveza.
    The Cartels own the fentanyl traffic and the human trafficking (smuggling) traffic, as well as the child sex slave traffic. The Cartels now control about 1/3 to 1/2 to more of Mexico’s terroritory.
    And the Cartels now control some areas on the US side of the border, aka, sacred ground.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory writes: “My culture is perhaps best represented by John Locke and his main American prophet, Thomas Jefferson.”
    Well we have something in common supporting Thomas Jefferson who was a deist during the time of the writing of the Declaration of Independance.
    Have you by any chance read “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth” sometimes referred to as the Jefferson Bible?
    http://www.mauropesce.net/IT/attachments/article/176/Th%20Jefferson,%20The%20Life%20and%20Morals%20of%20Jesus%20of%20Nazareth.pdf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    β€œYeah Gregory it took a lot of deep thinking by the highly intelligent to come up with Trump as President. Hows your Trump Digital Trading Card collection doing?
    Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 December 2022 at 08:52 AM”
    Well, this has been enlightening…not! Paul has covered the slaughter of the indigenous peoples, the Manifest Destiny, the first CA Governor putting a bounty on Ca Indians, the usual anti-God anti-Christian rant, the song β€˜America’ (God shed his grace on thee) and now the election of Trump and Trump digital trading cards. I probably missed some things, none of which is on topic.
    Opps. It’s on topic because Paul says it’s on topic. Hmm. Hey, what did Horace Greeley say? β€œGo west, young man.” Total anti-slave dude.
    Good job Paul. Everything but the topic.
    Me thinks Paul’s quiver was empty before his first comment.
    At least Newsom is crying for help because the waves of illegals are going to break California’s bank. Unsustainable thang.
    β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”
    How the Native Americans treat other tribes got we thinking. If Paul was a Native American whom other Native Americans captured and whose tongue being removed, teeth broken, hands and feet being cut off, and other forms of dismemberment, how in the heck could he play is guitar or type or post a comment here. Don’t think even the best dictation software could decipher his words. Opps, off topic.
    Trump digital cards? Lol.

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  36. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    We are on uncharted territory, folk.
    Gall out in the β€˜open’ at the US border
    https://nypost.com/2022/12/17/gall-out-in-the-open-at-the-us-border/
    A couple of nuggets:
    β€œFor generations, immigrants from around the world played by the rules, but now on a presidential whim, there are no rules. Get here however you can and the door is wide open.”
    β€”β€”β€”-
    β€œOf course, there was a second ring of protection provided by the left-leaning media. If you only read The New York Times or Washington Post and watched CNN and MSNBC, you probably didn’t know anything about the nonstop caravans crossing the border or that the number of crossers exceeded 5 million people.
    The only thing you would have been told was that β€œMAGA” Republicans and β€œright-wing media” outlets like Fox News and The Post were β€œbashing immigrants” who were simply looking for a better life.
    So, in coming days, as Title 42 expires and the caravans multiply, remember the greater truth the whole episode has revealed: The mainstream media and the Biden White House are America’s largest sources of lies and misinformation.”
    Bonus!! Don’t forget the WH said, β€œanybody who claims that the border is open β€œis doing the job of smugglers and is peddling misinformation.”

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, i am not interested in a deep dive into deism.
    Have you actually read Locke’s Two Treatises on Government?
    The are the foundation of classical liberalism.
    Go read.

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  38. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ABC’s Raddatz Blames Trump, DeSantis & Abbott for Border Crisis
    β€œAccording to Raddatz, Republicans stating aloud the fact that the border isn’t secured, is the reason for the border crisis, not the fact that the border is unsecured.”
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kevin-tober/2022/12/18/abcs-raddatz-blames-trump-desantis-abbott-border-crisis

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Well we have something in common supporting Thomas Jefferson who was a deist during the time of the writing of the Declaration of Independance.”
    We have nothing in common, punchy. You have a superficial interest in Jefferson as a foil against modern Christians, a group i choose to have peaceful coexistence with.
    Now, get back to the subject at hand.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    How can you possibly say you hold Jefferson as an “American Prophet” and not read ” “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Easy, Punchy. I was speaking of Jefferson as a prophet of the father of enlightenment liberalism… John Locke.
    As the author of the Declaration of Independence.
    As the author of America.
    I even f’in spelled it out for you, Paul, but you’re so bloody single minded.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    But you never read “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”
    I sent you the link. Check it out. Basic reading for any American Historian.

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    I knew it existed, Punch, and it has less to do with our form of government than Jefferson’s recipe for macaroni and cheese.
    I also doubt you’ve read it.

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  44. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Ditto @1017 LOL
    πŸ˜‰

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  45. Bump Bump Avatar
    Bump Bump

    β€œIf the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.” Jesus of Nazareth
    β€œBlessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” Jesus of Nazareth

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  46. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    “….written by a reputed lesbian….”
    Gregory, I am wondering of what relevance the point that Katherine Lee Bates was “reputedly” a lesbian has to your argument above that citing America the Beautiful is a poor choice of proof points?

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  47. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 849am – Steve, have you ever considered the alternative to your implied allegation of homophobia? There is not a single news or commentary program in the land, aired or printed, that does not mention the non-heterosexual preference of notable persons reported on. It is always stated that this or that individual, officer, politician was ‘gay’, ‘lesbian’, … . That inclusion may be specious or even gratuitous, but it is the custom of today’s reportage culture.

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  48. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 20 December 2022 at 09:39 AM
    So first, no that is not the standard today, the standard is the media mention the sexual preference of a subject if the subject mentions it.
    Second, there is no historical consensus that Ms. Bates was a lesbian, it is in dispute, and a very strong case could be made that she was either asexual or even heterosexual, but did not marry due to her tenure track at Wellesley that at time did not allow married female professors.
    And third, the homophobia of the audience here is not really in dispute, it simply is, as evidenced by the massive chip on your shoulder. πŸ™‚
    All that grievance is bad for your health George.

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  49. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Some of my best friends have been lesbians, Stevie, and in general, the standard for ‘outing’ is that conservatives get outed by media if it strengthens a case against them.
    It is more likely the long deceased Bates would not be tarnished, as a former Wellesley professor, by being thought of as possibly lesbian.
    Professor Bates wrote the words to a syrupy song pushed by Punchy as proof of Manifest Destiny being a universal in the 19th century… you tap dance around that claim.

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  50. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    80% of Wellesley students identify as Democrat/Democratic Socialist.
    2.5% identify as communist
    1% are Republican
    .7% are Libertarian
    .7% are Objectivist
    59% self identify as queer
    39% self identify as straight

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