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[I suppose the one-sided discussion of Trump’s purported lies and lying will continue (Biden’s lies are off limits).  Have any of the discussants considered what possible rewarding endpoints there are to such an ongoing debate that is now easily several years old?

In a 2024 Trump/Newsom contest, who would ever want to vote for a lying politician who has no other accomplishment besides always raising taxes and increasing regulations?  gjr]

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  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The impetus for Putin invading Ukraine was Biden’s handling of Afghanistan. Elections have consequences.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Punchy
    Yes, Al Gore conceded on election night and conceded again within two minutes after the High Court told Al Gore to go pound sand.

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  3. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “So Scott, you are all favor of Trump flipping the election through Pence not certifying the votes on Jan 6”
    Never said that – are lies all you have, Paul?
    “By the way what would Trump have done to not have the war in Ukraine with Russia.’
    What do you mean – “what he would have done”
    He did it – he warned Europe to not become dependent on Russian energy and blocked the pipeline. He kept petro prices down which kept Russia from having the dosh to finance a protracted war. There was in fact, no Russian invasion while Trump was in office. Once Putin saw Biden hand over billions in arms to the Taliban and kiss off American GI deaths as nothing, he knew he had his patsy.
    The best way to keep a bully at bay is to let them know they will get their ass kicked. Biden and Kamala are weak sisters promoting an American military more concerned with pronouns than any actual ass-kicking.
    The American military should be concerned with this:
    Breaking things and killing people.
    But Paul backs the pussy that lets Putin invade the Ukraine. Good to know.
    The people in Ukraine do not thank you Paul – they wish to God we still had Trump in office. The best way to end a war is to prevent it by letting the enemy know they will die crying if they try.
    Paul thinks kissing their ass works.

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    #sadoldman confronted with reality feebly wheezes show me a link. BWAAHAHAH
    You could ask the syrians or the iranians who started behaving under Trump or NATO who started paying their bills and the money that restocked US spares and US readiness. Just to name a few.
    😉

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  5. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Forgot the big one, if Trump were in charge we could have easily replaced vlads nat gas with ours
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ellenrwald/2018/07/11/trump-is-right-about-russian-energy-and-heres-what-he-can-do-about-it/?sh=62603ced834b
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trump-scolded-germany-for-buying-gas-from-russia-heres-what-we-know
    What Trump understood – and Biden didn’t – about holding back Russian aggression
    The Biden administration reversed course on marginalizing Vladimir Putin’s energy influence
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2022/03/30/trump-understood-putin-energy-weapon/7201613001/?gnt-cfr=1
    Trump pitches US natural gas to European leaders, suggests Russian gas holds them hostage
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/06/trump-natural-gas-europe-leaders.html
    😉

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Exactly how would Trump Kick Putins ass Scott? Would he send American troops into Ukraine? Would he invade Russia? Talk is cheep, what exactly would he do in your opinion?

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  7. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    That is one way of looking at it.
    Hayes Suggests Zeldin Colluded With NY DA to Release His Attacker Without Bail
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kevin-tober/2022/07/26/hayes-suggests-zeldin-colluded-ny-da-release-his-attacker-without
    Send talking points memo now.
    ——————-
    Serving two years for Joe is plenty. Hope he wasn’t the one who came up the ‘No Malarkey Yellow Bus Tour’ and slogan.
    First lady Jill Biden’s press secretary Michael LaRosa is departing the White House for a job in the private sector, he confirmed in an email to The Hill on Tuesday.
    LaRosa, who has served as Biden’s spokesman since the 2020 presidential campaign, said he would be joining the public affairs firm Hamilton Place Strategies. His last day is Friday

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    When you lose in humiliating style change the subject is the refuge of the ponytail of ignorance! LOL
    😉

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  9. Scott O Avatar

    Of course Trump was correct about energy. Trump understood basic facts. A civilization runs on energy. Lots of it. The cheaper, the better.
    Look at societies where folks have to wander off in the woods and haul energy back to the huts to provide fuel for cooking and warmth.
    Want to live like that?
    We can have clean energy with nuke plants and petro in modern end users.
    The best line I have ever heard about modern Russia is that they are a well-armed gas station.
    I love hearing California saying their economy is way above Russia but does California have the ability to defeat Russia in a war?
    The Russians would win in a heartbeat.
    And yet California has the basic raw materials to best Russia economically.
    While California boasts of their ‘green’ acumen Russia rolls across their enemies.
    As Stalin said: “The Pope. How many divisions has he?”

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  10. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “talk is cheep, what exactly would he do in your opinion?”
    Cheep?
    Do you mean cheap?
    I just told you – God almighty I just told you- how frickin stupid are you, Paul?
    You can disagree with me but first you have to be able to read English and obsorb what I said.
    Was there a Putin invasion when Trump was POTUS?
    No.
    Is there now with Biden?
    Yes!
    Paul is the perfect example of the idiot new citizen.
    Reality escapes them completely.
    Why doesn’t Paul use his own money to go to Ukraine and tell them it’s way better now with Biden than with Trump?
    Oh, cause talk is CHEEP!
    Right Paul?

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  11. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Cheep?
    Do you mean cheap?
    No, I believe he meant chirp. Need some backup over here to translate. What do other readers think Psul Emery was trying to say? I go with chirp. It’s rather cute and adorable.
    Some read the black on the page, some read the white.

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  12. Scott O Avatar

    Trump hit Putin where it hurt the worst. Low petro prices. Govts and armies run on cash.
    Putin had way less cash under Trump than he does now under Biden.
    So – more war and trouble under Biden.
    Thanks Paul – you’re a pal.

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  13. Scott O Avatar

    So Paul thinks a Putin invasion is OK under Biden, but a non Putin invasion under Trump is “talk is cheep”.
    Nice to know – got it – off to bed for now – bizzy, bizzy, bizzy.

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  14. Beep Beep Avatar
    Beep Beep

    As Pence recently and unequivocally stated, we are the party of looking forward, they are the party of looking backwards.
    NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMS SAY: GO AWAY, JOE!
    This Granite State Poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, is one of the more remarkable sets of survey data I have ever seen. UNH surveyed New Hampshire Democrats who are likely to vote in the 2024 presidential primary. The result? Joe Biden finished second with 16%, a shockingly low total for a sitting president less than halfway through his term.
    Pete Buttigieg came out on top with 17%. After Biden, the familiar cast of characters followed: Elizabeth Warren at 10%, Gavin Newsom at 10%, Amy Klobuchar at 9%, Bernie Sanders at 8%. And, oh yes–Kamala Harris at 6%. That last number may be even worse for the Democrats’ 2024 prospects than Biden’s 16%.
    The pollster also asked for respondents’ second choices. Biden finished 12th at 2%. Harris was the second choice of only 4% of New Hampshire Democrats.
    I’ve been saying for a long time that Joe Biden will not be on the 2024 ballot. (This is one of the reasons why polls showing Donald Trump beating him don’t give me a lot of comfort.) This New Hampshire poll certainly reaffirms that conclusion, along with confirming the deep unpopularity of Kamala Harris. It also reflects the weakness of the Democratic Party’s bench: anyone who thinks Pete Buttigieg is a serious presidential contender was probably on the Evan McMullin bus last time around.
    So the field is wide open for a younger, more charismatic Democrat to emerge the way Bill Clinton did in 1992. Happily for us Republicans, there doesn’t seem to be a Democrat in the wings who fits that description.
    https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1699&context=survey_center_polls

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Oh Scott, you have no sense of humor-birds cheep cheep cheep.

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Scott, latest rant from your guy Trump, he just won’t give it up. Loser, loser, loser. Since you support him you must agree with him when he says ”
    “People forget, this is all about a Rigged and Stolen Election. But rather than go after the people that Rigged and Stole it, they go after the people that are seeking Honesty and Truth, and have Freedom of Speech, and many other defenses, on their side! Justice Department should look at The Crime of the Century. Evidence is massive and irrefutable!!!”
    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108718943316953743

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  17. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 27 July 2022 at 07:25 AM
    “Since you support him you must agree with him when he says ”
    The notion that support indicates unconditional agreement is imbecilic.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “Have Laptop, Will Travel,” and the Demise of The Chicago Tribune
    When the editors of “the paper” that I served faithfully for 40 years recently decided to team up with angry leftist trolls in a vengeful “gotcha” exposé on our new home, I wasn’t happy about it.
    Betty was livid.
    “Why won’t they leave us alone?” she asked. “You don’t work there anymore. Why is this a story?”
    Because this is how they play. This is who they are. They won’t leave us alone. They’ll never leave us alone
    https://johnkassnews.com/have-laptop-will-travel/
    Been really busy fish. Someday soon
    Posted by: Psul Emery | 09 July 2022 at 09:39 PM

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘City of Broken Windows’
    Baltimore’s tragic record provides clear evidence that disorder breeds more disorder—and death.
    Money quote:
    “Baltimore’s congressional representative, Kweisi Mfume, recently advocated finding ways to clear street corners of panhandlers, prostitutes, and squeegee workers, saying, “the issue here is whether or not children are going to dictate the rules that adults have to live under.” Or, perhaps, die under.”
    https://www.city-journal.org/baltimore-city-broken-windows

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    All he has to say is no I don’t Michael. And do you know what Trump is referring to as the “Crime of the Century”? There’s lots of competition for that.

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    China: Pelosi Trip to Taiwan a Provocation
    “When Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi added to the itinerary of a valedictory trip through Asia the island of Taiwan, she could not have been oblivious to the reaction she would produce in a stunned Beijing.
    Thus, when the Financial Times revealed that the speaker would be visiting Taiwan, which China regards as a breakaway province, an enraged Beijing took the Pelosi visit to be a deliberate U.S. provocation.
    Beijing’s reaction appears authentic and understandable.
    “If the U.S. insists on going its own way, China will take firm and forceful measures to firmly safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” a Chinese spokesman told reporters in Beijing. “The U.S. must bear all the consequence of the visit.”
    Privately, Beijing is said to be issuing more pointed and serious warnings, which involve military action.
    Pelosi apparently did not coordinate or clear the visit to Taiwan with the White House or Defense Department. Wednesday, President Joe Biden told reporters: “The military thinks it’s not a good idea right now” for Pelosi to travel to Taiwan.
    So where do we stand?“…..
    …. “If Pelosi postpones or cancels the visit, it will be seen as a U.S. climb-down in the face of Chinese indignation and protest, and an affront to our friends in Taiwan.
    Around the Asia-Pacific rim, the word will be, “The Americans, faced with China’s firmness, backed down.””
    https://buchanan.org/blog/china-pelosi-trip-to-taiwan-a-provocation-159538

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Money quote:
    “A great awakening is happening. The barriers between people are coming down as the realization dawns that this is a global agenda and the injustices we see being inflicted on those halfway around the world will be coming for us soon enough. Many are now realizing a line has been drawn and the time to stand up has arrived.
    We are all Dutch farmers now“
    ‘The Dutch Are Awake. Are We?’
    https://intellectualtakeout.org/2022/07/the-dutch-are-awake-are-we/

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  23. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 27 July 2022 at 08:00 AM
    “All he has to say is[sic] no[sic] I don’t[sic] Michael.”
    This in no way alters my assessment.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    As Biden Economy Gets ‘Complicated,’ Ruhle Trashes Trump Economy
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/alex-christy/2022/07/27/biden-economy-gets-complicated-ruhle-trashes-trump-economy
    ————————-
    Boy, they are really good at telling others what they should do, think, and say.
    ‘PBS Declares Conservatism Should Reject Conservative Polices, Dobbs’
    PBS’s Amanpour and Company is so skewed to the left that on the Tuesday program, it was actually argued that true conservatism means opposing conservative policies and the recent Dobbs decision.
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/alex-christy/2022/07/27/pbs-declares-conservatism-should-reject-conservative-polices-dobbs
    ‘I don’t give a hoot about what Biden says’—TDS News

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  25. Scott O Avatar

    M Kesti 8:34 – This is the best Paul can do. Fabricates BS and then demands that you must respond.
    Sad.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Michael, Bill
    Do you have any idea what Trump is referring to as the Crime of the Century ?

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    SEN. KENNEDY: IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT BIDEN STANDS FOR BY NOW, YOU’RE THICK AS A BRICK
    ‘He believes in more government, more taxes, more spending, more debt, more regulation’
    https://news.grabien.com/story-sen-kennedy-if-you-dont-know-what-biden-stands-now-youre-thi

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  28. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 July 2022 at 08:43 AM
    Do you have any idea what Trump is referring to as the Crime of the Century ?

    Kidnapping the Lindbergh baby? Oh wait….this century!

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  29. Michael Kesti Avatar
    Michael Kesti

    Paul Emery | 27 July 2022 at 08:43 AM
    “Do you have any idea what Trump is referring to as the Crime of the Century ?”
    You appear to have mistaken me for someone with a rat’s ass to give about it.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    FBI’s False Labeling Of Biden Laptop As Disinformation Is Even Worse Than It Seems. Here’s Why
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/26/fbi-jeopardized-national-security-by-calling-verified-hunter-biden-evidence-disinformation-whistleblowers-say/
    Appears we have the FBI meddling into two consecutive Presidential Elections.

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Biden’s Economic Delusions And Deceptions Snub Struggling Families
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/26/bidens-economic-delusions-and-deceptions-snub-struggling-families/

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Meet the FBI Analyst Behind The Decade’s Biggest Political Disinformation Campaigns
    Brian Auten pushed Trump-Russia collusion and is now accused of discrediting Hunter Biden stories
    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/meet-the-fbi-analyst-behind-the-decades-biggest-political-disinformation-campaigns/
    And all this time I thought the more than 50 former national security officials who quickly dismissed the laptop report at the time as Russian disinformation (forensic analysis has confirmed the authenticity of the Hunter’s emails) was John Brennan’s parting gift to Joe Biden.

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  33. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Trump-the disgraced former President never stops lying:
    “Former President Trump never gave an order to deploy 10,000 troops deployed to protect the Capitol on Jan. 6, former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller testified in a video released by the Jan. 6 select committee on Tuesday.
    Why it matters: Trump previously said he requested up to 20,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6 because he had a feeling “the crowd was going to be very large.” Miller’s testimony contradicts that claim.
    What he’s saying: “I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature,” Miller says in the video.
    https://www.axios.com/2022/07/26/donald-trump-capitol-riots-chris-miller
    “There was no direct, there was no order from the president.”
    “We obviously had plans for activating more folks, but that was not anything more than contingency planning,” Miller adds. “There was no official message traffic or anything of that nature.”

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Majority Of Americans Want DOJ To Crack Down On Protesting Outside Supreme Court Justices’ Homes, Poll Finds
    “The polling demonstrates that both President Joe Biden and Democrats are “wildly” out of touch with Americans when it comes to the protests outside the justices’ homes, according to JCN, as well as the threats and violence against pregnancy centers and churches following the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion indicating that Roe v. Wade would soon be overturned…..
    Democrats who refuse to condemn protests, threats, and intimidation are endangering Supreme Court justices and their families and it’s long past time for their silence to be spotlighted,” Severino warned.
    The poll found that 61% of Americans surveyed said that protesting at the justices’ homes in this manner undermines American democracy. And 60% of registered voters agreed Biden himself should condemn the protests at the homes of the justices — which he has yet to do……
    ….Meanwhile, 84% of voters polled (including 82% of Democrats) said that those who are vandalizing or attacking pregnancy resource centers and churches should be prosecuted, and 85% of Democrats said they believe these types of attacks undermine American democracy.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/majority-of-americans-want-doj-to-crack-down-on-protesting-outside-supreme-court-justices-homes-poll-finds

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fake Vanity Poll Bill.
    “according to polling released by Judicial Crisis Network (JCN) on Wednesday.”

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  36. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 27 July 2022 at 10:13 AM
    Yeah Bill…..because if there’s one thing psul understands….it’s a poll.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Punchy @ 10:13 am
    I suppose you are right about that fake vanity poll. It did raise my eyebrows as well. No way a majority of Democrats would ever oppose activists violating federal law by protesting outside of Supreme Court Justices’ private home or having AG Garland enforce federal law prohibiting such action already on the books.
    And just as unbelievable and unlikely is that any Democrat would condemn the Progressives attacking and vandalizing pregnancy resources and churches. No way Jose. That is not who they are.
    Punch-E nailed it. Fake poll shows majority of Dems condemn attacking churches and upholding federal law. Gotta give Punchy her due when she gets it right. Condemn torching and vandalism of churches and pregnancy resource centers? What the heck was I thinking. Can’t believe everything you read. That Fake Vanity poll was definitely a bridge too far.
    Burn baby burn.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Fake polls are when an advocacy group hires poll companies to come up with desirable numbers. Thats what Judicial Crisis Network (JCN) is.
    On the other hand if they are breaking the law they should be arrested much like those who participated in sit-ins during the civil rights movement. the came prepared to be arrested.
    All from me for now. Doing sound for the Miners Foundry during Summer nights. Stop by and say hi if any of you are out and about.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Public notice:
    Psul Emery is not Paul Emery. I have no idea who that is. Don’t confuse messages to psul Emery with Paul Emery.

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  40. Beep Beep Avatar
    Beep Beep

    Psul Emery is not Psul Emery. I have no idea who that is. Don’t confuse messages to psul Emery with Dead Psul Emery.
    Posted by: Punchy Emery | 27 July 2022 at 11:16 AM

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  41. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Public notice:
    psul Emery…or just psul is one of the names the artist formerly known as Punchy said he would respond to.

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  42. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Yeah Bill…..because if there’s one thing psul understands….it’s a poll.”
    Actually, if there’s one thing psul doesn’t understand… it’s a poll.

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  43. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    Quinnipiac poll recently released of liberals who will vote – they are incensed and chastising and critical of Pres Biden for not commending hero Elisjsha Dicken, who stopped the Greenwood Park Mall shooter in only 15 seconds.
    Oh wait – sorry. Spell checker again. Not “commending”, but “condemning”. Means the same thing though, doesn’t it?
    Biden – not word one about Mr. Dicken’s heroic act, and top-shelf shooting with a pistol-at-distance.

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  44. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Mr. Dicken did not follow the narrative, and he didn’t heed the no guns posting… it was a posted gun free zone, which is arguably why the shooter chose that mall to shoot up.

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Krugman begs readers to ignore the two quarter inflation rule.
    ‘Same Krugman Who Foretold Trump ‘Global Recession’ Says ‘Ignore’ 2-Quarter Rule Now’
    “That’s despite the fact that even the leftist Washington Post noted in a July 25 piece that two quarters of negative GDP growth is “generally understood to mean a recession” and that it is “rare for there to be two consecutive quarters of negative GDP without a recession.”
    It’s humorous that the so-called economist is currently engaging in this level of stupidity. It was Krugman himself who arbitrarily proclaimed we were “very probably” staring down “a global recession, with no end in sight” after former President Donald Trump’s election in 2016.
    Krugman’s latest spin attempt comes after an op-ed he published that acknowledged the foolishness of the hot inflation takes he has spewed over the past year. “I Was Wrong About Inflation,” read the headline. Less than a week after he published that column, it’s unclear why Krugman is arguing a totally contradictory point that he expects readers to take seriously.
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2022/07/27/same-krugman-who-foretold-trump-global-recession-says

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1001am – check your refs about Trump’s call for troops. Nowhere did he do it, nor should he have done it with the pre-J6 evidence. But in an Oval Office conversation he did bring up the potential need to have 20,000 troops at the ready should the need arise to control the expected large crowd.
    The President does not have the authority to mobilize National Guard troops within US borders, save for fulfilling his national security obligations. There was no anticipation by ANYONE on 5 Jan 2021 of such a need. It turns out Pelosi could have handled the case with DC-local LE reinforcements had she a concern about Capitol security, which she did not.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George are you then saying it was OK for Trump to sit back for three hours and do nothing while the capital was being trash and our elected representatives fleeing in terror?

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch 434p
    … are you saying you still don’t understand a word that has been written here?

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 434pm – Yep, you got it. It was more right for Trump to sit on his ass for three hours than it was Pelosi to sit on hers forever.

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