[I suppose the one-sided discussion of Trump’s purported lies and lying will continue (Biden’s lies are off limits). Have any of the discussants considered what possible rewarding endpoints there are to such an ongoing debate that is now easily several years old?
In a 2024 Trump/Newsom contest, who would ever want to vote for a lying politician who has no other accomplishment besides always raising taxes and increasing regulations? gjr]
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Add Murdocks Wall Street Journal to the list of Conservative publications that have flipped on Trump:
Under the headline, “The President Who Stood Still on Jan. 6,” The Wall Street Journal editorial board harshly criticized the former president.
“No matter your views of the Jan. 6 special committee, the facts it is laying out in hearings are sobering. The most horrifying to date came Thursday in a hearing on President Trump’s conduct as the riot raged and he sat watching TV, posting inflammatory tweets and refusing to send help,” the editorial board wrote.
“The committee’s critics are right that it lacks political balance,” the newspaper wrote. “Still, the brute facts remain: Mr. Trump took an oath to defend the Constitution, and he had a duty as Commander in Chief to protect the Capitol from a mob attacking it in his name. He refused. He didn’t call the military to send help. He didn’t call Mr. Pence to check on the safety of his loyal VP. Instead he fed the mob’s anger and let the riot play out.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-president-who-stood-still-donald-trump-jan-6-committee-mike-pence-capitol-riot-11658528548?mod=hp_opin_pos_1
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Michael K @ 9:49 am
“OOPS! I got it backward!
Correction:…”
No worries my fine fellow. We all make mistakes. To err is human, to forgive is divine. Takes a man of good character to promptly admit he is wrong and correct his errand ways. Only men of good strong character do that….while others, for some psychological or emotion sickness, never can say, “I was wrong.”
Kinda like the character defect sited in the old tried and true adage, “Being a Green Libertarian means never having to say you are sorry.” Or was that Dems? Or,Progressives? Or pinkos. Much less effort.
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Scott
Are you saying Trump was helpless to do anything on the day of the riot where he did nothing but watch TV for three hours? He is the top law enforcement officer in the country. Not one call for help from him while our elected officials ran for their lives from a self described lynch mob who looted the capitol. Did you actually read either or both of the editorials I provided?
From the Wall Street Journal
“Mr. Trump took an oath to defend the Constitution, and he had a duty as Commander in Chief to protect the Capitol from a mob attacking it in his name. He refused. He didn’t call the military to send help. He didn’t call [then-Vice President Mike Pence] to check on the safety of his loyal VP. Instead he fed the mob’s anger and let the riot play out,” the editorial board wrote.
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Oh, so Trump should have sent in the military?
As I remember – people exactly like Paul hated Trump when he actually did call for military action against civilians.
Trump offered military help to Nancy and she could have made the same call but she didn’t. So, Nancy’s inaction is good but Trump’s inaction is bad.
As I said, Paul – until I see an actual impartial sorting out of all the facts I see nothing to make an opinion on of what Trump should have or could have done that would have actually prevented or ended the riots.
The clown show run by the Dems has had the desired effect of hiding what the Dems did and throwing shade on Trump. They had decided before the hearings even started that Trump would be shown in a bad light. When only the prosecutor is allowed to present arguments they can make Santa Clause look bad.
They’re playing you, Paul. You and all of America. I’m not buying it.
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The ponytail of ignorance loves to lie @1139 The Attorney General is the top Law Enforcement officer in the country DUH!
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Don Bessee | 24 July 2022 at 12:19 PM
“DUH!” typically indicates stupidity or ignorance rather than a lie. But I suspect that won’t stop you from posting your sophomoric accusations and name-calling.
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There are undeniable facts based on sworn testimony that that he did nothing but watch TV while the Capitol was attacked by his supporters and that he encouraged to go to the Capitol and fight to reverse the election. How can you dispute that?
Trump quotes Jan 6:
“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
Trump is such a nut case. This what he said about his rant on Jan 6:
“I have nothing to hide,” Trump told Fox News host Laura Ingraham on Friday night. “I wasn’t involved in that and if you look at my words and what I said in the speech, they were extremely calming, actually.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fight-like-hell-speech-extremely-calming-1270504/
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You’re wrong Don, Michael. thought you knes more about how things work but I’m wrong about that. Here you go:
The Executive Branch
From the President, to the Vice President, to the Cabinet, learn more about the Executive Branch of the government of the United States
“he power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acts as head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet. The Vice President is also part of the Executive Branch, ready to assume the Presidency should the need arise.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-executive-branch/
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 12:41 PM
None of that changes that the hearings are Kangaroo Kabuki. Their credibility would be greatly improved by allowing cross-examination that might ensure that the whole truth is revealed. The hearing’s political motivations are obvious to those willing to see them.
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 12:49 PM
“Is the president the chief law enforcement officer?
“Not exactly. The Constitution says that the president shall “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” not that he must personally enforce the law. Generally, the Attorney General of the United States is considered the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.”
https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/annotation16.html
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Still burdened with that comprehension issue eh @1249 – LOL
The United States attorney general (AG) leads the United States Department of Justice, and is the chief law enforcement officer of the federal government of the United States. The attorney general serves as the principal advisor to the president of the United States on all legal matters. The attorney general is a statutory member of the Cabinet of the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General
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Once again. How can this be more clear?
“The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress ”
What does “enforcing the laws” mean to you Don and Michael? Are you saying the President didn’t have the authority to take action during the Jan 6 riot?
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BWAAAAAAAAHAHA @ 102 ROFLOL TDS squared
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Hilarious – “The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress.”
But that only applies to Trump under certain circumstances when we would like it to.
Right?
As I pointed out, Paul – when Trump tried to order the military in to protect fed buildings you lefties had a huge howling cow.
Nancy was in charge of security at the capitol. She made that abundantly clear. Why didn’t she do something other than think – “Oh, this is wonderful, I hope there are a lot of bodies to count later. We ‘ll hammer the Rs with this for sure! Think of all the crap we can pull and use this to cover it up!”
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 01:07 PM
In your 11:39 you said, “He is the top law enforcement officer in the country.” By statute, the president delegates the role of the country’s top law enforcement officer to the attorney general. Do you understand the difference?
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So Scott in your opinion was OK for Trump to fiddle while the Capitol was attacked.
“Nero fiddles while Rome burns” has become a phrase used to criticise someone who is doing something trivial or irresponsible in the face of an emergency. Nero was blamed for ignoring a serious matter, and neglecting his people while they suffered.”
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Punch punches.
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Kesti 1239p
You really shouldn’t be casting stones here.
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 01:26 PM
A problem is that the proverbial fiddling for which you would indict Trump occurred prior to the proverbial burning at the Capitol. Neither the POTUS nor the DOJ/AG have the authority to preemptively deny the people’s right to assemble in protest because of what might happen.
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The delusions of grandeur winner of the week –
Cheney reiterates she hasn’t decided on running for president in 2024
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/cheney-reiterates-she-hasn-t-143747393.html
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re PaulE 126pm – I wonder how Paul would address the president enforcing his national security responsibility and the federal laws that prescribe securing our borders.
A case can be made that the 6J riot occurred on the premises of another branch of government the security for which is specifically spelled out to be under the control of the House Speaker who did NOTHING to discharge her duties, including issuing a request for reinforcements to the Capitol security personnel she failed to prepare and refused to direct.
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Gregory | 24 July 2022 at 01:37 PM
Does your butt hurt so much that you will continue with these?
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Michael: this is the Sandbox and civil discussions are optional. Desired, but optional. All the speech police over the years threw up their hands, took their baseball and bat and went home. Welcome to the cesspool. Don’t be a control freak. We have a web monitor, but ya, it is desired that we always strive for a open exchange of ideas in a civil manner…..but to quote a fav poster, ‘It’s like picking a scab. You know you could not do it, but you do it anyway.” Yes, it’s hard to soar with eagles when you fly turkeys and all that meme stuff.
Humans nature being human nature, with some more spiritually developed than others, tells me that you are heading towards the frustration ride. Look at Wile E Coyote….opps, I did it again…correction…..look at Punch E Emery and one and see the frustration grow and grow until that blue pimple between his soldiers not only forms into a rather looking head, but…thar she blows! That is no popping head, that is an eruption. Hot, hot, hot under the collar.
Surprised you did not go OCD on Punchy about Nero. We all know it was a mistranslation of the word that gave birth to the saying Nero fiddled around While Roma burned. Nero actually was playing the violin to calm his savage beast.
I never knew their was a difference between a fiddle and a violent until they came up with the electric violin and electric fiddle. I always thought the difference between a fiddle and a violin was only if a banjo was accompanying the ensemble.
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Bill Tozer | 24 July 2022 at 02:14 PM
I have participated here in the past and am very much aware of the nature of this forum.
I’ve made no demands as would a control freak. Instead, I have indicated how I feel about some of the regulars’ effluent. You might do well to think of these as my additions to the cesspool.
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LOOSE ENDS (176)
A few stray notes from the pub while a line of rain passes through. .
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/07/loose-ends-176.php
In the Year of the Reckoning, the omens were everywhere. Cubs had not to the Series (or won the series in 111 years, 111 stitches on a fastball. Or was that 108 years and stitches. Even Crabb knows what the results of the mid-terms are very very highly likely to be. He may not be happy about it, but he knows. Plain as the beak on somebody’s face.
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The EU is committing suicide with the demise of putins gas supply the germans are shutting down perfectly good nuke plants and then you have the war on food. LET THEM EAT BUGS! –
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/07/24/great-reset-government-to-target-farmers-with-carbon-emissions-cuts-of-around-28-per-cent/
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Kesti 145p
Finally, you fall to the level of your intelligence and education. No more pretenses, please.
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toes 214p
Of course, the fiddle and the violin are the very same instrument, the difference is in what is being played and by who.
The main difference between violins, violas, cellos and bass viols are the expected burning times in a fire.
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Gregory | 24 July 2022 at 02:50 PM
It still hurts, huh?
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So George are you saying that if Trump is witness to crimes being committed and nothing is being done about he should do nothing if it is not in his jurisdiction? The list of staff, family and associates that BEGGED Trump to do something is huge. Are you aware of that? Here are some examples, more to follow:
Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone was asked question after question in the recorded testimony about Trump’s actions: did he call the secretary of defense? The attorney general? The head of Homeland Security? Cipollone answered “no” to each query.
“He’s got to condemn this shit ASAP,” Trump’s eldest son, Don Jr., appealed in a text message to Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows. “They will try to fuck his entire legacy on this if it gets worse.”
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Witnesses in the room were Matthew Pottinger, a deputy national security adviser under Trump, and Sarah Matthews, a deputy press secretary in his White House. Both resigned in the hours following the riot.
“If the president had wanted to make a statement and address the American people, he could have been on camera almost immediately,” Matthews testified. “If he had wanted to make an address from the Oval Office, we could have assembled the White House press corps within minutes.
“Trump was pouring gasoline on the fire,” Matthews said.
Asked for his assessment of the riot, Cipollone said in the testimony shown on Thursday that it could not be justified in any way. “It was wrong and it was tragic and it was a terrible day for this country.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-capitol-probes-season-finale-focus-trump-supporters-three-hour-rage-2022-07-21/
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Paul – I give you credit for being (I think) older than I and having the stamina to move goal posts at such a clip.
As I recall these hearings would certainly result in the uncovering of heinous crimes and find Trump whisked to the dungeon in irons posthaste.
Yet here we find you now condemning him on the basis of all manner of breaking social etiquette, getting the thumbs down from newspaper boards and the exasperation of family. Nancy must hie herself to the chambers with her staff and write new laws to keep up with your scornful disapproval of the man.
And the gymnastics you perform!
Why – despite your decrepitude, you are as agile as a young gal on the parallel bars twisting this way and that with your ever-new brand of morals and methods of governance.
Why, laws are being broken! And yet Trump has yet to float to the tumultuous throng and wave his arms majestically and like the magi in the Sorcerer’s Apprentice point this way and that and cause the riotous gathering to calm as an ebbing storm ceases to cause waves to crash against the shore.
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Scott
Can you tell me why Trump didn’t do everything possible to thwart the invasion of the Capitol once he saw it happening? Can you tell me who he notified and when that something had to be done and things were out of control.
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Paul, you have had a severe case of TDS ever since the summer of 2016. You know there are no rabid Trump supporters here on RR. And you have been told countless times what are the nuanced opinions and attitudes about Trump. And yet you continue some kind of uproductive third degree interrogation here that is shedding no light on any Trump issue you raise, but which do shed a lot of light on your own mentality. Why are you doing this?
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I really can’t believe that you all are attempting to engage psul in anything other than blatant mockery. To be made sport of is his raison d’être.
Anything else is simply a waste of everyone’s time.
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fish – I point you to my 3:38.
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Paul – “Can you tell me why Trump didn’t do everything possible to thwart the invasion of the Capitol…”
EVERYTHING?
Ya mean like F-15s and nukes?
Actually I can’t – but since you can read minds, Paul – why don’t you tell us?
And maybe Paul can tell us why Biden and Co are encouraging and abetting the border invasion?
Could have sworn Paul muttered something about the POTUS s’posed to uphold the law or sumpin.
But of course – that was then and this is now.
Every new day brings a fresh set of morals for our little Pauly.
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Primarily because there are people who read this blog who deserve to hear all sides of the story. You say there are ” no rabid Trump supporters here on RR” yet not one of the regulars here can even even agree that Trump did not do everything he could to stop the violence on Jan 6. Why do you think that is? By the way do you believe that Trump did everything he could to stop the violence on Jan 6?
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Paul – “…who deserve to hear all sides of the story.”
Hilarious – ya mean like the Kangaroo Kourt you salivated all over?
“You say there are ” no rabid Trump supporters here on RR” yet not one of the regulars here can even even agree that Trump did not do everything he could to stop the violence on Jan 6.”
That statement is not logical, Paul.
On more than one level.
Please try to at least be logical.
And factual.
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Let me reword my question Scott to include Scott,exactly what did Trump do to stop the violence on Jan 6?
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 04:31 PM
Your statement assumes that we haven’t heard all sides of the story but you’re very much about assuming facts that are not in evidence.
I will grant that there may have been more that Trump could have done to stop the violence on Jan 6. Why not? Monday morning quarterbacking is SO much fun.
Will you grant that Trump did not intend and was not the cause of that violence? Why not?
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George 4:03 – “And yet you continue some kind of uproductive third degree interrogation here that is shedding no light on any Trump issue you raise, but which do shed a lot of light on your own mentality. Why are you doing this?”
Because, George – he wants us to hear from the side of the folks that are guided by hatred.
It does have a purpose of sorts. Without Paul’s input, I wouldn’t have a clue as to what the cranial process is of the people I read about and see on the news in our country. It is truly the national cutting off of the nasal projection to spite the face of our country.
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Paul 4:43 – He told them plainly to “go in peace”.
Maybe you have the secret signal where he told them to kill the police?
No – you don’t.
As soon as there is a truly bi-partisan and fair hearing of ALL witnesses and a chance for ALL sides to be heard and questioned, I (and you, Paul) have no friggin clue what all actually transpired before and after the riots.
You lash out in ignorance and hate – I hold my counsel until I have ascertained all the relevant facts.
Enjoy your hatred and spite, Paul – it eats your body and soul like nothing else.
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Michael
I cannot grant that at this time. Trump was desperate because Pence would not do his bidding and never tried the stop the mob even when they were chanting Hang Pence. He never once has assumed any responsibility for what happened and the deaths that occurred. How could he be so lame as to believe that when he said ‘Fight Like Hell’ that some members of the mob would resort to violence. Perhaps if he were to do that I could change my mind but nothing so far. How is that different than yelling FIRE in a movie theater?
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How could he be so lame as to not believe…
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He is so cute when he stomps his little feet and holds his breath WHY! WHY! WHY!
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Don is talking about Trump but he should have said “slaps his little hands”.
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Gentlemen…..it is exactly as I said….COMPLETE…WASTE….OF….TIME.
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Paul Emery | 24 July 2022 at 04:59 PM
Nobody can be held responsible for what others chant.
“Fight like hell” is a commonly used phrase, just as, “I’m going to kill that guy.”, which are not typically intended to be taken literally. I am certain that there are many examples of politicians of all stripes who have used the former. Except in the court of TDS opinion, this not indictable.
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Paul 5:12 – Oh great – now Paul is making fun of a person based on his birth defects.
Are you proud, Paul? Is this what your hatred and bile lead you to?
Do you also call out Dems who tell their supporters to fight?
As I said – Paul awakens to each new day with a new set of morals to fit his bias and hate.
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fish 5:16 – “complete waste of time…”
Yet here you are!
Have you not seen a cat play with a cornered mouse?
The mouse acts desperately on the pitiful small set of instructions hard-wired in its brain and the cat, at his leisure bats at and smacks the mouse for quite a time. The cat could kill and tear apart the mouse in a nonce but it amuses the cat to toy with the little pathetic creature while the mouse plays out what little it can do.
OK – it’s hot outside and happy hour came early.
To each his own amusement.
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