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[I suppose the one-sided discussion of Trump’s purported lies and lying will continue (Biden’s lies are off limits).  Have any of the discussants considered what possible rewarding endpoints there are to such an ongoing debate that is now easily several years old?

In a 2024 Trump/Newsom contest, who would ever want to vote for a lying politician who has no other accomplishment besides always raising taxes and increasing regulations?  gjr]

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  1. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    punchy 232p
    I read faster than you do, Punch.
    Interesting facts on the guy you would have our thinking done by…
    “António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres GCC GCL … is a Portuguese politician and diplomat. Since 2017, he has served as secretary-general of the United Nations, the ninth person to hold this title. A member of the Portuguese Socialist Party, Guterres served as prime minister of Portugal from 1995 to 2002… Guterres served as secretary-general of the Socialist Party from 1992 to 2002… He served as president of the Socialist International from 1999 to 2005, and was the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees from 2005 to 2015.[4] Guterres was elected secretary-general in October 2016, succeeding Ban Ki-moon at the beginning of the following year and becoming the first European to hold this office since Kurt Waldheim in 1981.”
    A politician, and a Socialist at that.

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  2. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “The UN chief added: “This is not fiction or exaggeration. It is what science tells us will result from our current energy policies.”
    So – all the other dozens of failed predictions from the UN were not ‘science’?
    Ya mean they just decided after 3 decades to start doing ‘science’?
    Not that Paul will even start to address this little nagging problem with the UN’s climate hysteria.
    Best quote I’ve heard in a long time:
    “It’s easy for all the experts to agree when the ones that don’t are silenced.”

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  3. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul. For sure we have a finite amount of natural resources. What is your solution?

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul’s solution is to punch, and then punch some more.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Punched Out Emery @ 3:32 in the PM:
    “That’s hundreds of scientists and agreed by 195 countries Gregory not just a couple of scientists that you endorse.”
    195 countries? Does that include the non-country of Made in Taiwan? That is a bunch more countries than the ones who signed on to the Paris Agreement and the Paris Peace Accords.
    “That’s why those of you that agree with Trump are inclined to disregard the volumes of information that support the FACT that global warming and it’s consequences are real.”
    Then why did they drop the name ‘Global Warming’ if it is FACT?
    “Here’s the link again. Gove it a read.”
    You mean glove it a read? Hove it? By Jove it? Love it? Move it? Vove it? Wove?
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/07/Screen-Shot-2022-07-24-at-6.02.06-PM.png?
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/07/download-5.jpeg?
    And to think that Sri Lanka used to produce enough food to sell to its neighbors…before they went Green Machine.

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Judge Strikes Down San Francisco Law Allowing Non-Citizens To Vote
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/judge-strikes-down-san-francisco-law-allowing-non-citizens-to-vote

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “That’s hundreds of scientists and agreed by 195 countries Gregory not just a couple of scientists that you endorse”
    -Punch
    I think Svensmark and Shaviv are worth following, which I’ve been doing since 2007. That 195 countries have run the IPCC reports up the flagpole and saluted really does not have a scientific cachet. That stinks of politics.

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘He Shot My Arm Off!’: 80-Year-Old Store Owner Unloads When Armed Suspects Attempt Robbery
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/he-shot-my-arm-off-80-year-old-store-owner-unloads-when-armed-suspects-attempt-robbery?

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  9. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Trying to play the privilege card rules are for thee and not me –
    Paul Pelosi allegedly slurred speech, had drug in system and handed over police privilege card during DUI bust
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/paul-pelosi-allegedly-slurred-speech-drug-system-handed-police-privilege-card-dui-bust
    😉

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The biden crime family is bought and paid for by the chi coms –
    The State Department is tapping a China apologist who has blamed the Biden administration’s rhetoric toward the Communist country for a rise in anti-Asian hate crimes and called for “a cooperative relationship” with North Korea, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
    Jessica Lee, a scholar at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, an isolationist think-tank bankrolled by George Soros and Charles Koch, is joining the administration as senior adviser for legislative affairs at the State Department, two sources familiar with the matter told the Washington Free Beacon on Monday. Lee sent an email to her Quincy Institute colleagues Sunday advising them of the move
    https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-admin-taps-china-apologist-for-foggy-bottom-post/
    😉

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  11. Scott O Avatar

    Yeah, that is a really hilarious part of Paul’s argument:
    “…and agreed by 195 countries…”
    Most all of them agree with it because it means nothing more than “gibs me da money”.
    They don’t have to do squat except have moolah rained on them. What’s not to like? Of course they’ll go along with it – most all are shit-hole countries run by corrupt dictators who will pocket most of the dough. And Paul thinks this adds to the gravitas of the AGM scare?

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  12. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Karine Jean-Pierre Desperately Tries to Deny Biden Is Breaking “No New Taxes on Earners Below $400k” Promise
    https://bongino.com/biden-set-to-break-no-new-taxes-for-earners-below-400k-pledge
    In other related liar news, Biden said just one year ago to the American voters if you get the vaccines you will not get COVID. How many people died believing ‘That’s just Joe’? How many people had their faith in science shattered by listening to Joe?
    Physician, heal thyself.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Opps. My 5:29 pm should have gone in Scattershots under the topic of ‘Biden, the Killer President. Maga Culpa.

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  14. fish Avatar
    fish

    Thought that it would be something like this…..
    From Instapundit:

    EVEN THE GECKOS ARE FLEEING CALIFORNIA: GEICO closes all California offices, lays off workers: report. “GEICO has reportedly closed all 38 of its agent offices in California, laid off hundreds of employees, and will no longer sell insurance through telephone agents in the state. Californians can still obtain GEICO policies in the state, but only through a computer or a mobile device, posing a challenge for those who are not technologically proficient.”
    In addition to skyrocketing insurance claims in lawless Democrat-monopoly cities such as San Francisco and Los Angeles, it sounds like AB5 is causing yet more casualties. On its page headlined, “Own A GEICO Agency,” the insurer notes that “As a GEICO Local Agent, you own a local GEICO insurance agency and are an independent contractor exclusively writing business for GEICO and affiliated companies.”
    Good work, Sacramento!

    .

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Taliban sushi just like sulimani –
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-u-chop-al-qaeda-114712908.html
    😉

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don @ 5:36 pm
    Is not that the definition of cultural appropriation? Sushi? Sushi? Come on, man. Or perhaps our diversity is our strength. It gets confusing at times. Cultural Appropriation or not, I like the flying sushi machine and do not like Tex-Mex.

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘South Tacoma is a hellhole’; Business owners rip city council over crime spike
    https://www.q13fox.com/news/south-tacoma-is-a-hellhole-business-owners-rip-city-council-over-crime-spike
    —————
    Tacoma homicides up more than 50% over same period in 2021
    https://www.q13fox.com/news/tacoma-homicides-up-more-than-50-over-same-period-in-2021
    —————-
    Not Olympia, too! Home of Evergreen State College, the place that dispenses worthless college degrees. Why not stay in CA if it’s the same as living in Blue CA cities?
    “With a crime rate of 36 per one thousand residents, Olympia has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes – from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One’s chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 27.”

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Abortion ban loses big in Kansas-over 25%. Abortion ban is defeated. 79% of the votes counted
    No
    408,781 +62.2% 62.2%
    Yes
    247,948 +37.8% 37.8
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/02/us/elections/results-kansas-abortion-amendment.html

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  19. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The great shit holing of America on dem city at a defunded police time. &&#($)&^@%^@*) @638
    😉

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    A 90 mil over the top wokester piece of trash is thrown in the trash LOL –
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/batgirl-won-t-fly-warner-202333812.html
    🙂

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  21. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: psul Emery | 02 August 2022 at 07:44 PM
    Fine…the people have spoken! That great progressive tantrum wasn’t necessary then eh psul?
    Were you a whiny child….asking for a friend?

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Seems like your woken crew was apoplectic at letting the states decide their own path @747 ROFLOL
    😉

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  23. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 7:44 – And here we were told that the SCOTUS ruling had meant no more abortions. Looks like Paul’s side is wrong again.
    You see, Paul – all the left-wing hysteria and BS about the ruling was just a bag of hot air. The states get to decide and Kansas decided for themselves as it should be.
    “Local Control”!!!
    Remember when some clown named Paul Emery was strutting around crowing about “local control”?
    He sure doesn’t.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You completely miss the point Scott. The Dems now have a strong issue to run on. You can see lots of State ballot measures in the near future that will drive votes to the Dems. Also abortion will be a huge issue in the fall. Kansas is a very conservative State and look what happened. Must be disappointing to you since you are so anti abortion.

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, this is what the original Roe decision short circuited.
    Dems have no issue to run on.

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  26. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “The Dems now have a strong issue to run on. You can see lots of State ballot measures in the near future that will drive votes to the Dems.”
    What issue? As Gregory pointed out – this puts it right back at pre-1972. Was it a big driver then?
    Kansas is mostly 3 large cities. And they are not very conservative. The rural areas and smaller cities no longer hold much sway.
    If this is really such a big winner for the Dems, then why did they scream and cry about it when the SCOTUS decision came down?
    Of course I’m disappointed – but if the people in Kansas want to kill black babies en mass, there’s nothing I can do about it. Interesting it gets Paul so excited. Does the body count of black babies get you a woody, Paul?

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  27. Scott O Avatar

    I actually hadn’t followed the issue in Kansas closely since I don’t live there and don’t pay any taxes to Kansas.
    So – looked it up and it seems the big “upset” was nothing of the kind. Kansas simply voted to maintain their status quo, including current restrictions. Paul’s big wet dream of this issue leading to great wins for the Dems in Kansas seem to not have happened.
    If the issue comes up again for a vote in the general, then we’ll see. In the meantime, meh.

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Juat had a quick look at voter turnout. turnout shows it was huge for the Dems in Kansas. Woman’s rights will become the biggest issue in the midterms and it will be a big boost to the Dems .
    why should you care Gregory, you’re a Libertarian right.

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  29. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul. Abortion will be an issue. You are mistaken about how. Progressives have only themselves to blame that Roe was overturned. They can’t blame conservatives. They can’t blame evangelicals. They can’t blame the Supreme Court. They can’t blame Trump. I think most people in the United States have always been sympathetic to the single woman who is pregnant and can’t afford a child or the drug addict that probably shouldn’t bring a child into the world. The moment progressives advocated to killing a baby during the 40th week of pregnancy, they lost the debate. Progressives have no one to blame but themselves, because what they want is roundly frowned upon by society.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Barry you support a womans right to choose with limits as to how long they have to make that choice. What week should that be in your opinion?

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don’t think outright ban on abortions with the usual exceptions for rape, incest, and the severity mentally disabled is going to fly in too many states. Most all states have exemptions despite the leftist hyperventilating.
    I am old enough to remember Punchy thinking 13 weeks was a reasonable time for a woman to decide if the unborn child should be executed. 13 weeks or the first trimester of life is under the 15 weeks that Mississippi abortion law covered which sent the Dems into a tizzy, lol. Surprisingly, Mississippi had the usual exceptions, save for the mentally disabled, but no one mentioned that. 15 weeks was a reasonable cut off date for Psul, until the Supreme Court put the issue where it belongs…in the hands of the local elected representatives of each State. The United States of America.
    Thus, the Kansas referendum reveals the wisdom of our founding fathers once again…the Republic for which we stand.

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  32. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    My wife and I have discussed this repeatedly. We agree between six and ten weeks. I completely disagree with abortion, but if I had to choose, it would be 6 to 10.

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  33. Scott O Avatar

    Paul continues to amuse:
    “Juat had a quick look at voter turnout. turnout shows it was huge for the Dems in Kansas. Woman’s rights will become the biggest issue in the midterms and it will be a big boost to the Dems .”
    First of all – let me say I’m pleased that Juat had a quick look around. I kinda wondered if he was still alive.
    As far as the “huge” turnout for the Dems – ah, it was a primary. Guess what guys? A Democrat won the Democrat primary!!!! Huuuuuge Win!!!
    Paul continues to dodge the question of why if this is such a great deal for the Dems, why all the screaming and blubbering from them when the SCOTUS decision was handed down?
    As far as “women’s rights being a big deal – kinda wonder if Paul even can tell us what are “women’s rights”?
    Not like Paul can respond to a question regarding some bullshit he posts.
    C’mon Paul, tell us – what are women’s rights?

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  34. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, 925p
    Libertarians are natural enemies of socialist Progressives.

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Paul
    While Darrell B’s opinion column in the Union states that guns and abortions are the winning issues for the Dems in the mid-terms, I do not. But, each of us has our own opinions. I still believe the Swamp Thing, aka, The Ragin’ Cagin’ when he was credited with the quip, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Darrell B and other live long Dems believe it is no longer the economy, but it’s Guns and Abortion, stupid.
    I have yet to see any strong data that puts guns and abortions ahead of inflation, the economy, crime, a scandalous piss-poor public education system ahead of guns and abortions. Yes, there are single issue voters and party line voters and the Left needs desperately something to get excited about for the mid-terms. The enthusiasm gap between Left and Right (Dems vs Republicans if you prefer) is enormous this cycle.
    Quality of Life issues include law and order, safe neighborhoods, a stable economy (inflation back to 2%) and good schools. There are just too many headwinds facing the Dems and Jon Q. public to overcome with Guns and Abortions. Time will tell in 100 days or so.
    Speaking about Law and Order, some will simply flip SCOTUS the bird for political purposes, law or no law.
    ‘Justice Department Sues To Block Idaho Pro-Life Law In First Suit Since Dobbs Ruling’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/justice-department-sues-to-block-idaho-pro-life-law-in-first-suit-since-dobbs-ruling
    The threat to a mother’s life during childbirth (yes, it’s called Child Birth for now) is a myth, practically non existent in today’s medical marvels. As any doctor who delivers babies. A rare occurrence not seen by most licensed medical obstetricians.
    ———
    Darn it, I have two threads of thought going. I saw this referenced in Darrel B’s Union column comments. Back to Guns and Abortions will win the day for the Leftinistas and America Haters.
    Cook political report:
    “Yet, there’s nothing new about a late summer ‘reassessment’ of midterm assumptions. In fact, like clockwork, the out-party right about now starts to fret that their advantage is slipping, while the in-party sees green shoots springing from a barren landscape. Or, as Washington Examiner’s David Drucker wrote on Twitter recently: “Midterm cycles since ’06 have certain rhythm: 1) Maybe POTUS’ party’ll avoid losses. 2) Things look good for out party. 3) Things look REALLY good for out party. 4) Hold on, maybe POTUS’ party won’t lose as many seats as thought. 5) Could POTUS’ party avoid wipeout? 6) WIPEOUT.”
    https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/improvement-or-illusion
    While my cloudy ball is getting clearer….I am not one to predict Blue or Red waves….normally. But these are not normal times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p13yZAjhU0M

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  36. Scott O Avatar

    BT 10:16 – Oh the Dems think the scary black rifle is a big winner at the voting booth:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/02/house-democrats-push-terrorism-charges-mass-shooters-using-ar-15s/
    Yep – they really are this insane. So, it’s not how many kids you murder – it’s what exact kind of firearm that counts.
    Go into the kindergarten with a 12 gauge and start blowing little bodies apart?
    Ho hum.
    Use a scary black rifle?
    OMG – now it’s totally different. Like totally.
    Cause it’s like – ya know – a totally different vibe, man!
    Money quote:
    “He added, “[The bill] also allows prosecutors to go after the material support networks. Networks that provide aid, perhaps its guidance, instructions maps. Whatever helps these attackers carry out these vicious assaults.”
    Hmmm – seems like that would be the parents of these shooters.
    So parents, give your kids pump shotguns or Glocks or mini-30s when they go a kiddie-huntin.
    That way – you’ll be off the hook for damages!
    Good grief!

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    She loves me, she loves me not. He loves me, he loves me not. She loves me, she loves me not. Wishful thinking and a pocket full of promising green sprouts…
    Podhoretz Confronts MSNBC Host’s Delusion That Dems Will Win in 2022
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kevin-tober/2022/08/01/podhoretz-confronts-msnbc-hosts-delusion-dems-will-win-2022

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Noooooo!
    I guess that means he won’t be announcing next year in a other surprise comeback. Darn.
    It doesn’t seem like baseball without Scully at the mic.

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  39. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Gregory @ 11:54 pm.
    “It doesn’t seem like baseball without Scully at the mic.” Sad, sad day. A long fly ball to Left, back goes Stragell, a way back, to the track, she’s gone.
    Osteen checks the runner at first, winds up, there goes Ozzie, throw to second, safe! Ozzie Smith has stolen another one. That’s 68 stolen bases for the Wizard of Oz.
    With Scully, both sides got equal treatment. And those antidotes between routine ground balls…even in the dog days of summer.

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  40. The Estonian Fox Avatar
    The Estonian Fox

    Re-visiting monkeypox/Kansas vote:
    From the latest issue of the Down-Load from MIT Technology Review-
    Jessica Hamzelou article on monkeypox vaccine:
    “The global outbreak of monkeypox has so far led to more than 24,000 cases in over 80 countries, and the World Health Organization has warned that the window of opportunity to contain the disease and prevent it from becoming endemic outside Africa is rapidly closing. Vaccines represent a potentially crucial measure.”
    Never pointed out that the CDC sure was on top of preventing this outbreak by counseling gays to keep it in their pants for at least a month. And gays, being the considerate folks they are, complied willingly. OK, that laugher is out of the way now. Of course the gay guys didn’t do that. They didn’t even consider doing that. It’s THEIR life and they will live it the way they want. Just like all of the small businesses, restaurants & churches did when the CDC told those folks to shut down everything in 2020, 2021. Jessica never pointed out that the CDC is allowing this new “pandemic” to proliferate in the U.S. without issuing any particularly useful constraints.
    And, under The Must-Reads:
    “1. Kansas has overwhelmingly voted to protect abortion rights
    It’s a significant victory for pro-choice groups in the conservative state. (BBC)”
    Actually, not a significant victory – it merely upholds what is already existing in the Kansas Constitution. Not surprising that the Brits (BBC) missed this one since they DON’T HAVE a single-document constitution. And yet, MIT, of all people, should know that. Unless you have moved Lexington & Concord recently to Rhode Island. Maybe I missed that.
    “5. We’re making progress in beating HIV
    It’ll take time and money, but experts are optimistic that the virus is under control. ”
    About time – only been 40 years. Didn’t HIV start out the same way as monkeypox – only affected gay guys? Why hasn’t the CDC issued warnings to gays to keep it in their pants for at least a month? You know, like the CDC did to everyo… Wait, didn’t we just go over that recently?

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  41. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Chris Rock called out these pharmaceutical companies years ago. The money is not in the cure but in the medicine.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzqayKwWeY

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    re: Kansas referendum.
    Like Scott O, I never bothered to check the Kansas scene out. Heard there was a referendum to alter/eliminate the wording of the Kansas State Constitution. That was what the big deal was over.
    I would not put the Kansas referendum as a game changer for the Democrat Party. Why?First, because while the proposed change in the state constitution got the vote out, it is now done and settled. The referendum will not be on the ballot in the general in November. Thus, will the Dems (and others) turn out in the general in the same numbers without abortion on the ballot? Will the same urgency for the political party known as ‘the face of abortion’ have the same enthusiasm in the head to head races come November?
    Second, there is no second.
    Third, Kansas, despite being known as the flattest state in the Union, is not the flattest state in the Union. Thus, there is no third.
    —————————
    The Estonian Fox @8:54 in the AM.
    First, I noticed you, Mr. Bessee, and Barry P have yet to publicly announce that you are not Russian trolls. Thus by our esteemed Professional Entertainer’s logic, you are Russian trolls! From my vantage point, the only one doing Putin’s bidding and carrying Putin’s water since 2016 is our professional entertainer. Our own little Pravda spokesman of the Sierra Nevada Foothills. Glass houses and all that.
    Second, of all the cases of Monkeypox (300?)in the Bay Area, LA and CA, not one death due to the New Plague has been recorded. No need to batten down the hatches to flatten the curve. Sure, no one wants to have painful blistering on the skin, but it passes in a few weeks. We know what to avoid. Hardly an emergency to close businesses, lock down the hordes, and retain COVID era voting rules.
    Nice try Dems, but no dice. Come up with another emergency. Can’t hurt worse than food poisoning from eating a bad patch of chili or lettuce.

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  43. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    PS to the Fox.
    Remember, don’t say gay.

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