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That is the only slim thread of agreement that the Republicans and Democrats have for new legislation pursuant to the mass killing of students and teachers in Uvalde, Texas this week.  Yet the Dems’ solution continues to be to enact senseless gun legislation to stop senseless mass shootings.  Their entire initiative is based on appealing to the hoped for raw emotional response of their constituents to ‘do something’, or anything that can be used to advance the final objective of removing firearms from the country’s law-abiding civilian population.

The Dems’ entire argument is that since ‘guns kill people’, the “gun lobby” (aka NRA) wants more people killed through the unhindered sale of more guns.  For the Left there are no other considerations for the private ownership of guns, least of all the antiquated and misconstrued Second Amendment to defend against rogue government.  Every successive gun control measure is understood to be nothing more or less than a ratchet toward socialist autocracy’s final objective of an unarmed, compliant citizenry.

In a country with over 340 million variously un/registered firearms, there is no guarantee that a quietly deranged person with no previous criminal record or recorded history of mental instability will be stopped from a serendipitously inspired and spontaneously launched mass murder.  LE officials have told us for decades that no level of gun restrictions will bring an end to what happened in Uvalde.

What journalists and clear-thinking politicians don’t ask, during the inevitable gun control hysteria that follows every mass shooting, is ‘what is the evidence that this legislation would have stopped the previous mass murderers, or will stop them in the future?’  Posing this question will quickly reveal the real purpose for the newly proposed gun control measures.

The real solution – possibly unattainable – is what may be called a ‘cultural reset’.  The American culture of, say, fifty years ago prevented such mass murders occurring in a population equally populated with firearms – both semi-auto pistols and long guns.  Today, wholesale human life is cheapened and cheap.  With widespread and instant salacious news coverage, we continually hear of hundreds of people gunned down weekly without giving it much if any thought.  Unless the life belongs to family or close friends, the deaths don’t matter much irrespectively how they are snuffed out.

And our polarized society no longer supports community-wide solutions.  Remaining solutions have become very personalized – you pull up stakes and move to a safer place if you can, or you stay put, become insular, and hunker down while the killing continues around you.  That will continue in perpetuity as long as the state makes it so that only criminals have guns to use with impunity on an unarmed citizenry.  To various extents this has proven to be true both under so-called liberal democracies and police-state tyrannies.

A cultural reset, even if attempted, will take at least a generation to gain traction in our society.  In the meantime, IMHO we should recognize the ground truth that active killers with guns are stopped only by defenders with guns.  So, if we really have an interest to do something to protect the children, then we must always remember that when seconds count, LE is minutes (or more) away.  Actually, an hour away in Uvalde and similarly at previous shooting sites.  As far as the killer is concerned, LE has not arrived until he is assaulted with arms.  It doesn’t matter how quickly LE arrives on the scene, the clock starts when the killer perceives that his further intentions will now be curtailed.  For example, LE getting to the Uvalde school and dicking around for an hour before a Border Patrol agent confronted and shot the killer, means that LE effectively arrived an hour late.  So consider –

Policies that don’t work – place one security officer per school.  These have proven to be career-limited, marginally trained, timid people who either have no idea that killing is taking place in another part of the school, or who will not confront the killer until summoned LE people (‘back-up’) arrive to take control of the incident.

Policies that have a chance of working – Every teacher and certain staffers are trained and required to be concealed-carry armed when on duty.  This policy is then made public.  Israel has demonstrated the efficacy of such policy.  (more here)

[Addendum]  In ongoing discussions about solutions to such wanton and unpredictable massacres, it was brought out that there may be a significant share of teachers who will refuse to be trained and armed.  The point makes sense since so many teachers are liberals/progressives whose logic doesn’t always concur with reality – e.g. similar to those leftwingers who believe that declaring a building or facility a ‘gun-free zone’ will hinder instead of attract the manic mass murderer.  No matter, for whatever reasons, not all teachers can qualify or be relied upon to be armed and confront their students’ would-be killer.

The alternative to concealed-carry teachers in the classroom is a cadre of volunteer CCW holders who would also receive the required additional training.  These would come from the students’ parents, grandparents, and (retired) friends or community volunteers.  I’d bet the farm that there would be more than enough volunteers to sit in the back of classrooms while instruction is going on.  Each school could have a ‘security coordinator’ volunteer to coordinate with the school’s administration, maintain the active roster, and manage the ‘duty calendar’ for the classroom security volunteers.  The marginal cost to the school district and community would be nil.

Given today’s mobile devices (laptops, pads, smart phones, …), the security volunteers can easily be productive on their own projects as they carry out their assigned watches.  I know from our family’s circle of friends and contacts, that almost everyone would volunteer who could pass the training requirements.  As an example, for years I was a member of the Banner Mountain firewatch team and pulled many a 4-6 hour morning and afternoon stints on the tower (until the tower was decommissioned).  It was a rewarding experience, as I’m sure it would also be to serve as a classroom security volunteer.

(For the record, America’s CCW holders are the most reliable and law-abiding cohort of citizens when it comes to psychological stability, gun safety and proficiency, and criminality/gun violence.  Statistically, you are six times more likely to be assaulted by a rogue LE officer than a CCW permit holder.)

[28may22 update]  A commenter raised a valid question about the availability of sufficient volunteers to implement the above described classroom security approach.  I’ve taken a more detailed look at the numbers, and it appears to be doable.  These back-of-envelope calculations are available here –  Download Classroom Security Volunteers.  Readers thoughts are always welcome, especially as they point out any errors or weaknesses (not already covered in the comment stream below).

[4jun22 update]  Certify retired military personnel to serve as armed school security guards – so proposes Sen Lindsey Graham (R-SC).  Above I have made case for such a solution that can be implemented more rapidly than any ineffective anti-gun legislation.  (more here)

The Left, of course, is dead-set against such a practical solution, and surprisingly they are joined by some folks from the other side who also think it’s the dumbest thing they ever heard of.  Nevertheless, that kind of solution, using trained and certified volunteer security guards, is staring us in the face with no reasonable opposition save ‘schools should remain a gun-free zone’, or more simply, ‘it’s a stupid idea that will never work’.

[9jun22 update]  Well, things may be looking up with getting more defensive guns into schools and classrooms.  Reports are coming in that in certain red states teachers are volunteering to carry guns (here).  And we now hear that even in progressive New Jersey militant parents are convincing school districts to hire off-duty and retired LE officers to serve as added security in schools (here).  These people will be paid.  So that brings us a few steps closer to the volunteer security concept outlined here as the affordable solution to protect our children.

BTW, does everyone notice that the ‘do something’ new gun regs coming out of the House have nothing to do with protecting the children?  (They’re just a desperate Dem election issue since everything else they propose is a demonstrable disaster for the country.)  And no Republican has the balls to resist the new ‘do something’ hysteria by asking why existing gun regs – from past ‘do something’ hysterias – aren’t being enforced and/or have proven to be totally ineffective in reducing ‘gun violence’.

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202 responses to ““… to protect the children.” (addended with 9jun22 update)”

  1. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Basic Gun Safety:
    1) don’t play with guns
    2) don’t point a gun at anything you don’t want shot
    3) don’t have your finger near the trigger until you are ready to fire
    What else you want covered, punchy?

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Barry
    I’m asking you as to how the Constitution forbids screening, training and registration in order to own firearms. It’s not forbidden in the Constitution which says simply ” “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
    It does not forbid training and registration since anyone who takes those trainings would be eligible.

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Much like a drivers license”
    Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right.
    Owning and carrying guns are rights.
    Punchy, you are describing an infringement of a constitutional right.
    How about this one… no freedom of speech or a right to assemble without a speech safety class and certificate?

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  4. Scott O Avatar

    Complete Idiot 3:53 – “Why would requiring registration and training in basic gun safety as a requirement for ownership…”
    So – you want to make sure a wacko intent on killing people has BETTER aim?
    Or maybe Punchy thinks if mass killers would only take safety training, they’d think: “golly, we’re not supposed to kill people?”
    Paul – read reality at 4:58.
    I’ve said for years that gun safety instructions would fit on a pack of matches.
    And, moron – the NRA is the leading single national source for gun safety and the Dems and the Left want them shut down.
    But thanks for showing up here to show us you just shit your own britches.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Yes, we have the right to own as gun. But does that include everybody even those that are mentally not firm? How else can you determine that other than through training, background checks and registration?
    Your reference to freedom of speech is very week Gregory.

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  6. Scott O Avatar

    How about – no one gets to vote until they demonstrate basic literacy and is even vaguely aware of our form of governance?
    Deal?

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    sp
    “very weak Gregory”

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  8. Scott O Avatar

    Ha ha – “How else can you determine that other than through training, background checks and registration?”
    Why – you just ask them on the federal form. Next to where you ask them if they’re a drug addict.
    Who would lie about that?

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  9. Scott O Avatar

    I take it Paul thinks that people need to prove fitness to the govt before the govt will allow them to exercise their Constitutional rights.
    Sucks to be a fetus. They got no chance in hell.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Off to a gig
    More later

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The US Marine Corps turned Lee Harvey Oswald into a highly skilled marksman able to kill a guy in a moving car with an Italian bolt action rifle purchased for $30. Outstanding!

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  12. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Psul Emery: ” But does that include everybody even those that are mentally not firm?”
    That strikes me as a good question.
    The more general form is whether insane people have the full rights of adults.
    Should a crazy person be able to vote? drive a car? the freedom to excrete in doorways like a couple of the local homeless? buy alcohol?
    Maybe the right thing to do is to restrict those things. It sure is tricky to determine reasonable set of tests though…plus I’m not sure how the Constitution deals with the insane.
    I will stick with the concept that anyone not old enough to buy/own a gun is not old enough to vote.

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  13. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Psul Emery: ” How else can you determine that other than through training, ”
    That strikes me as a bad question.
    What possible difference does training make to a mass shooter, or even your average criminal.
    I suppose it improves their ability to use a weapon, so there is that. Wasting rounds is to be avoided.

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  14. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    whoof. Just spent 20 minutes looking through the various states’ rules on voting by the mentally ill, court cases, how it’s handled in other countries.
    What a morass, like any of these corner cases. I’m not equipped to argue one way or the other.

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  15. Scott O Avatar

    Once again we see the basic failure to understand the problem.
    The problem is folks whose brains don’t operate within an acceptable parameter of social politeness.
    I.E. – they’re F’n nuts and angry.
    Since we desire to have a free and open type of society, how do we identify and stop these poor bastards before they harm anyone and not sacrifice our own rights and freedoms?
    I seem to recall some trouble with a few amateur pilots and a lot of major destruction and death.
    No firearms involved.
    Then there was that issue with a rental truck and some sort of building collapse.
    No firearms involved.
    But Paul (along with millions of other fools) focus on the tool of destruction de jour and run with that due to that particular tool’s affiliation with people he doesn’t like.
    Paul has allowed emotions to overwhelm what feeble thinking power he possesses and dreams up scenarios that erase actual reality in order to feel he has the answer to our problems.
    How did the nutter obtain a firearm to kill all those kids in Sandy Hook?
    How would Paul’s little scheme have prevented that?
    Paul doesn’t know and doesn’t care.
    The answer has to be something that annoys or pisses off the people he doesn’t like. It may not solve the problem, but that really isn’t the point, is it?

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  16. Scott O Avatar

    scenes 6:15 – This is the crux of the issue. No one wants to allow violent nut cases to roam freely among us and as soon as we look at an actual try at preventing that we very quickly come to the conclusion that giving the govt the power to really make sure that doesn’t happen, we realize that is not a power we want ANY govt to have.
    If you think the govt needs to get rid of the witches consider that you might get fingered as a witch.
    And it’s up to you to prove you aren’t a witch.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 353pm – “Why would requiring registration and training in basic gun safety as a requirement for ownership be a violation of the 2nd amendment in your view? It doesn’t violate the right to bear arms.”
    Who in hell said anything remotely like that??! Paul, every once in a while you give ‘off the wall remark’ a totally new meaning. Were you really meaning to relate to anything that I said?
    Gregory 342pm – I said nothing to restrict security volunteers to be members of your pejorative ‘CCW geezer corps’. But now that you bring it up, it is clear that 1) you don’t have a clue as to the cross-section of people who make up our CCW population, 2) are equally deprived of how members of the geezer corps (anybody over 60?) shoot and train, and 3) apparently don’t understand my specification that they are required to pass the same TBD qualifications as every other person, including teachers, who qualifies and is prepared to provide armed classroom security.
    For classrooms with unarmed teachers, I would bet a heap of cash that the more mature security volunteers, those who pass all the other requirements, would make the most reliably performing (and available) cadre that could be assigned to classroom security.

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  18. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Now that they had time to review video i spent a little time reading the details. There was a string of one-off things that facilitated the massacre.
    A teacher propped an exterior door open for some reason, heat perhaps?
    The school had hardened doors.
    Then the shooter walked quite a ways into the school to the classroom of the dead.
    There had been an end of year awards assembly and kids were just getting back to the classes and that’s why the hardened classroom doors were open when policy was classroom doors to be closed and locked at all times.
    When he went in he closed and locked the doors fortifying himself in and barricading the doors. The cops knew their small arms would not penetrate the doors.
    The first on scene had nothing to breach the doors and had to wait for keys to engage and kill the shooter.
    As seen in airplane crashes it is often a string of individual events that lead to doom. In this case the shooter had the benefit of a stupid teacher leaving an exterior door propped open then the assembly and finally the shooter benefiting from the hardened classroom.
    I wont get into how many dem shitholes droop more bodies on a weekend night.
    ;-(

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Punchy is punching…..the dope on the ropes. His strategy is just to wear you out.
    No offense Dr Rebane, but that last Townhall meeting aired by our local alternative underground FM station was a complete waste of time. The moderator of the TownHall in the Art Deco City Hall was the former public pretender….er….former public defender now a judge who declared no talking about the 2nd Amendment! You are going to have a Townhall meeting of the minds about school shooters and you are not allowed to bring up the 2nd Amendment!! Insert big rolling of eyes here.
    That last waste of time Townhall on guns was sparked by people like Psul E. Eeeeeemery who were moved, very moved I say, by little piglet David Hogg. Listen to the children. It’s really moving and it made be have a nice smooth consistent movement.
    Strike that about a total waste of time.
    I did learn one thing from the hastily thrown together public panic over guns. That is, THOSE early birds who applied for permit to smoke Medical Marijuana before it became recreational do not qualify to buy a gun in CA. Nope, your got a script from a licensed medical doctor for MMJ because you have mental problems, lol. Script is your own proof that you are crazy or at least have mental problems. Sucks to be them……Surprise, surprise, surprise. :). Honesty is the best policy.
    PS: Judge Anderson, how you doing, Your Honorable Discharge?

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  20. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “THOSE early birds who applied for permit to smoke Medical Marijuana before it became recreational do not qualify to buy a gun in CA.”
    Interesting idea.
    That pesky 2nd Amendment aside, it would be fun to feed in all the confidential Big Data to an AI and see who was most likely to not get the gun license. Maybe you could do the same thing and perform preemptive arrests.
    re: Geezer Patrol
    While I can’t imagine they could handle a low-income urban classroom, just due to the constant uproar, the main problem I see is one of liability. In the post-Floyd environment, a single mistake in a fluid situation puts you in the poorhouse or the hoosegow. If I were providing security, I’d sure want ironclad guarantees.
    re: locked doors
    It’s hard to avoid the fact that forts often work both ways.

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  21. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Scotto: “And it’s up to you to prove you aren’t a witch.”
    Easy peasy.
    Witches float.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    scenes 758p
    So do very small rocks.
    With about 130,000 elementary schools and say 8 classrooms per small elementary school, that’s a million classrooms of which 1 gets hit every few years.
    A lot of waiting around. It’d be a lot easier just to let teachers and required staff to take up the slack. But a “must issue”, not a consensus.
    The Geezer Brigades are best used elsewhere.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punch 515p
    “But does that include everybody even those that are mentally not firm?”
    Yes, folks like you with mental infirmities can buy a firearm if there isn’t gov’mint paperwork filed. If you’re concerned about the public safety, you can commit yourself to be sure.

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Texas protects its grammar schools differently than it’s high schools. A small grade school is where you can really lock it down and get by with one in-and-out entrance, while the high schools it’s not possible to have one entrance. So, screening and more protective measures are needed. The door ajar…. The school also had invested in a system to track the social media comments by the school kids. Opps. Failed to pick it up. To be fair, he posted his intentions for the first time six hours before he went Psycho Killer to a girl on-line in Germany.
    Let’s cut to chase. The left has a 2nd Amendment problem. That’s the bottom line. There are ways to amend the Constitution but Biden’s big victory left them with a split Senate and a handful majority in the house. What did they think they would do with that hand?
    When the Leftists took over the Virginia State Houses, the first thing they did was crafted the most extreme gun legislation before they were even sworn in. What, was it three days or a week after Election Day. Busy writing the law and bragging about it.
    Then came Youngkin and the flashpoint Virginia School Boards and…and….and…don’t hear much about Virginia’s new gun confiscation plans, now do we?
    The Left has a 2nd Amendment problem. And they don’t like rodeos either.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    Yeah, there are lot of considerations (legal, insurance, etc) to sort out before teachers or security volunteers will bring guns to classrooms. But none of it is undoable per se; however, the politics might well be.
    One more time. Most security matters inherently involve lot of waiting around. But there is always the benefit of prevention when the bad guys know that people with guns are waiting around for them. And re ‘taking up the slack’, which appears to be confusing. Here I’ve been talking about the slack that occurs when there are not enough willing teachers/staff, it’s only then that security volunteers would be used, and only a fraction of them would likely be members of the Geezer Brigade.

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, in ~30% of Tejas schools, teachers and staff can already Cc legally.
    Put up a sign: staff may be carrying their own hand cannons OR Gun Free Zone.
    This was a collegiate example, but I recall subsequent to the massacre at Virginia Tech, a controversy at the University of Utah was whether a freshman could demand to be assigned a roommate who wouldn’t keep a gun in their room.
    I’m not surprised there ain’t been no shootin’ at UU.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘Man Fires Multiple Shots At Party. Woman Yanks Out Gun, Shoots Him To Death.
    Miraculously, no one was injured as the woman saved everyone’
    “She did the right thing.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/man-fires-multiple-shots-at-graduation-party-in-park-woman-yanks-out-gun-shoots-him-to-death

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  28. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul. I think you missed my point. Our cultural that dehumanizes is the root problem. Abandon modern culture and some nearly all of our problems.

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  29. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Solve nearly all of our problems.

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  30. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Since we are circling the barn again, flashback feel good story.
    ‘Columnist fails gun check, blames store owners’
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/columnist-fails-gun-check-blames-store-owners

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  31. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “…
    The “teaching” that supposedly goes on in schools is a broken remnant of preparation for an economy that no longer exists. We’re no longer a society of people who do things, but rather a society of people to whom things are done, many of them harmful, humiliating, and arbitrary. America’s demoralized teaching corps is so unhinged by their own anomie that they resort to imposing sadistic fantasies on the children in their charge.
    Thus, all the inappropriate curricula around adult preoccupations with sex, such as the Drag Queen Story Hour, for which mentally ill men are invited to act-out impersonations of women-as-monsters for young people who can’t possibly be expected to make sense of the spectacle. (I suspect that even six-year-olds, hard-wired to function as successful animals in this world, understand it as some kind of affront to reality.) Otherwise, American teachers are out of ideas, and are themselves damaged by the same forces in culture that they are now asked to direct….”
    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/childhoods-end/

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  32. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    A comment from, well, the comments section, in the Kunstler column. Pretty insightful:
    “One of the worst features of the public schools is herding hundreds or even thousands of kids into one place. Another is segregating them by age. As a result, they virtually have no adult influence, since the adults in schools act primarily as police, with no personal relationship with the kids. So the kids bond entirely with each other and get their worldview and values from each other: the immature leading the immature. ”
    If that’s so, how do you redesign education? The modern mass production of how children are taught is a fairly new procedure and not written in stone.

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  33. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, this is what you are up against:
    ​​”The powerful gun lobby and their allies did not waste a second after the horrific killing of 19 students and two teachers at Robb Elementary School to call for arming teachers. Bringing more guns into schools makes schools more dangerous and does nothing to shield our students and educators from gun violence. We need fewer guns in schools, not more. Teachers should be teaching, not acting as armed security guards.”
    National Education Association President Becky Pringle on proposals to arm teachers.
    Back to your small slanders at 640p:
    “, it is clear that 1) you don’t have a clue as to the cross-section of people who make up our CCW population,”
    Oh, but I do, George. But only the retired are likely to be eager volunteers, to be useful a’gin.
    ” 2) are equally deprived of how members of the geezer corps (anybody over 60?) shoot and train,”
    Anyone with a Mediscare card would qualify as a geezer in my book… t-t-talkin’ bout my g-g-generation. And how they train to shoot is the least of the issues.
    “and 3) apparently don’t understand my specification that they are required to pass the same TBD qualifications as every other person, including teachers, who qualifies and is prepared to provide armed classroom security”
    You apparently don’t understand the issues arrayed against the proposal to being with. Teachers and staff have a function at the schools already… you don’t, and neither do I. Teachers and staff will push back and hard at any requirement for them to carry a gun, and any requirement to allow a certified Armed Geezer(tm) into their classrooms.
    Pouring a million armed CCW old farts into classrooms has its own hazards even if they were seen to be selfless saviors, which would be a non starter at the NEA,

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 721am – Nowhere have I claimed that arming teachers or augmenting them with security volunteers would be easy or even politically possible. I fully understand “the issues arrayed” against the above proposals that I have posited as solutions, which I firmly believe would work were they to be implemented. (Thankfully, I’m not as dumb as I look.)
    Re my “small slanders” – “how they train and shoot” is central to the entire concept of security volunteers that will fill the gaps of un-armable teachers and staffs. And you may be right about the possible preponderance of the retired as volunteers. But so what if they qualify.
    What good-intentioned people like you don’t seem to get is that we’re talking about a trade-off of children’s lives saved by 1) doing nothing while criticizing imperfect solutions, 2) implementing proposals I and others have suggested, or 3) continuing to clutch our worry beads while hoping that someone else will some day come up with the perfect solution accepted by all. Under which scenario would we minimize mass murders in schools over a time horizon of, say, the next ten years? Unless you can show that #2 above will increase the number of classroom deaths (we can develop the current death rate from data), you have become part of the ongoing problem.

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  35. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Unless you can show that #2 above will increase the number of classroom deaths (we can develop the current death rate from data), you have become part of the ongoing problem.”
    That’s punchy logic, George.
    Assuming a million classrooms, a four year cycle of occurrences and a 150 day school year… do you really think your geezers are up to spending 600 million volunteer days between having something to do?
    Madness.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    More Geritol for thought:
    There Have Been 13 Mass School Shootings Since 1966, Not 27 This Year… Don’t conflate mass shootings with school shootings.
    https://reason.com/2022/05/26/uvalde-texas-mass-shooting-statistics-gun-crimes-misleading/

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1036am – Marvelous! we may be getting somewhere. How is #2 “punchy logic”??
    And just as I thought, you really have not understood my proposal for security volunteers taking up the slack in schools with insufficient teachers/staff who can/will carry arms. You continue to assert that all classrooms will at all times be manned only by security volunteers.
    BTW, I’m not sure about your mathematical reasoning. What does evoking a “four year cycle of occurrences” have to do with steady state security staff loading?

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  38. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    You are blinded by your Bright Shiny Object du jour, George.
    Madness.
    But it is closer to every two years for a “mass shooting” at a school, so that’s only 300 million days for the volunteers to sit with nothing to do.

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  39. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1135am – Well, we tried. I think the conversation is over. Thanks for the effort.

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  40. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, thanks for pretending to have a conversation.
    Perhaps you’ll take a swag at the number of schools in the US, the classrooms per school, how often a mass shooting happens nationwide and therefore the amount of time the unpaid labor spends twiddling their thumbs waiting for something to shoot to walk in the door.
    If the volunteers are old, they’d likely be the first taken out , thus lessening the burden on the future income of the kiddies left living.

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  41. Randy Avatar
    Randy

    Interesting article on Yahoo News of all places regarding an interview by Politico (of all places) https://www.yahoo.com/news/really-consistent-pathway-society-stop-185445896.html
    A fairly long read with some of the common anti gun tropes but the things I found poignant include “There’s this really consistent pathway. Early childhood trauma seems to be the foundation, whether violence in the home, sexual assault, parental suicides, extreme bullying. Then you see the build toward hopelessness, despair, isolation, self-loathing, oftentimes rejection from peers. That turns into a really identifiable crisis point where they’re acting differently. Sometimes they have previous suicide attempts.
    What’s different from traditional suicide is that the self-hate turns against a group. They start asking themselves, “Whose fault is this?” Is it a racial group or women or a religious group, or is it my classmates? The hate turns outward. There’s also this quest for fame and notoriety.”
    And “…we really need resources at institutions like schools. We need to build teams to investigate when kids are in crisis and then link those kids to mental health services. The problem is that in a lot of places, those services are not there. There’s no community mental health and no school-based mental health.”
    But of course in the Left’s view it’s the guns dummy, they have a way of making people do things…

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  42. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    How is suddenly we have to protect the kids from the teachers? –
    A North Carolina preschool used flash cards featuring LGBTQ themes to teach kids colors, including one card depicting a pregnant man.
    The principal was able to locate the cards in the preschool classroom and verify with the teacher that they had been used
    The principal took possession of the cards and alerted the district superintendent and human resources about the incident, which she said she was unaware of until being alerted to the situation by Paré.
    The incident comes amid an effort in the North Carolina General Assembly to pass legislation aimed at giving parents more control over what their children are taught in school, including giving them the option to opt out of what they consider “age-inappropriate classroom materials.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-preschool-pregnant-man
    😉

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “A reader objected to the idea on several counts, most of which were the result of misunderstandings”
    None of my points were based on misunderstandings, George.
    And let me add another issue… there is no way that old gun enthusiasts will be allowed into the classrooms led by young progressive teachers to observe their lessons.
    There is no way classrooms will be watched over by volunteer armed guards. Ever.

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  44. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 202pm – your misunderstandings aside, I never claimed that implementing my solution would be either easy or even possible. And ref my 321pm, 1124am, 1021am, and 920pm for a record of your having missed salient points of my proposal.

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  45. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Your 321pm, 1124am, 1021am, and 920pm were all made in error.

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 442pm – I guess that establishes that you and I live in and experience very different worlds. Good to know.

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  47. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    George, that’s just your feigned superiority showing through.

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  48. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Defund the cops is working so well –
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-crime-man-randomly-stabbed
    😉

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  49. Scott O Avatar

    Hey guys – remember that place called Chicago?
    https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
    And the 3 day weekend ain’t over!
    How many kids have been murdered in Chicago this year?
    Biden gonna fly there and blubber and tell lies?
    Drudge and the NYTs gonna plaster the news all over the headlines?
    Nah – those kids are just good riddance to bad rubbish because their bodies can’t be used for the ‘narrative’. Their faces won’t ever show up in a montage with cute ‘stories’ for each one. They weren’t important and they just don’t count. Too bad.

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