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George Rebane

That is the only slim thread of agreement that the Republicans and Democrats have for new legislation pursuant to the mass killing of students and teachers in Uvalde, Texas this week.  Yet the Dems’ solution continues to be to enact senseless gun legislation to stop senseless mass shootings.  Their entire initiative is based on appealing to the hoped for raw emotional response of their constituents to ‘do something’, or anything that can be used to advance the final objective of removing firearms from the country’s law-abiding civilian population.

The Dems’ entire argument is that since ‘guns kill people’, the “gun lobby” (aka NRA) wants more people killed through the unhindered sale of more guns.  For the Left there are no other considerations for the private ownership of guns, least of all the antiquated and misconstrued Second Amendment to defend against rogue government.  Every successive gun control measure is understood to be nothing more or less than a ratchet toward socialist autocracy’s final objective of an unarmed, compliant citizenry.

In a country with over 340 million variously un/registered firearms, there is no guarantee that a quietly deranged person with no previous criminal record or recorded history of mental instability will be stopped from a serendipitously inspired and spontaneously launched mass murder.  LE officials have told us for decades that no level of gun restrictions will bring an end to what happened in Uvalde.

What journalists and clear-thinking politicians don’t ask, during the inevitable gun control hysteria that follows every mass shooting, is ‘what is the evidence that this legislation would have stopped the previous mass murderers, or will stop them in the future?’  Posing this question will quickly reveal the real purpose for the newly proposed gun control measures.

The real solution – possibly unattainable – is what may be called a ‘cultural reset’.  The American culture of, say, fifty years ago prevented such mass murders occurring in a population equally populated with firearms – both semi-auto pistols and long guns.  Today, wholesale human life is cheapened and cheap.  With widespread and instant salacious news coverage, we continually hear of hundreds of people gunned down weekly without giving it much if any thought.  Unless the life belongs to family or close friends, the deaths don’t matter much irrespectively how they are snuffed out.

And our polarized society no longer supports community-wide solutions.  Remaining solutions have become very personalized – you pull up stakes and move to a safer place if you can, or you stay put, become insular, and hunker down while the killing continues around you.  That will continue in perpetuity as long as the state makes it so that only criminals have guns to use with impunity on an unarmed citizenry.  To various extents this has proven to be true both under so-called liberal democracies and police-state tyrannies.

A cultural reset, even if attempted, will take at least a generation to gain traction in our society.  In the meantime, IMHO we should recognize the ground truth that active killers with guns are stopped only by defenders with guns.  So, if we really have an interest to do something to protect the children, then we must always remember that when seconds count, LE is minutes (or more) away.  Actually, an hour away in Uvalde and similarly at previous shooting sites.  As far as the killer is concerned, LE has not arrived until he is assaulted with arms.  It doesn’t matter how quickly LE arrives on the scene, the clock starts when the killer perceives that his further intentions will now be curtailed.  For example, LE getting to the Uvalde school and dicking around for an hour before a Border Patrol agent confronted and shot the killer, means that LE effectively arrived an hour late.  So consider –

Policies that don’t work – place one security officer per school.  These have proven to be career-limited, marginally trained, timid people who either have no idea that killing is taking place in another part of the school, or who will not confront the killer until summoned LE people (‘back-up’) arrive to take control of the incident.

Policies that have a chance of working – Every teacher and certain staffers are trained and required to be concealed-carry armed when on duty.  This policy is then made public.  Israel has demonstrated the efficacy of such policy.  (more here)

[Addendum]  In ongoing discussions about solutions to such wanton and unpredictable massacres, it was brought out that there may be a significant share of teachers who will refuse to be trained and armed.  The point makes sense since so many teachers are liberals/progressives whose logic doesn’t always concur with reality – e.g. similar to those leftwingers who believe that declaring a building or facility a ‘gun-free zone’ will hinder instead of attract the manic mass murderer.  No matter, for whatever reasons, not all teachers can qualify or be relied upon to be armed and confront their students’ would-be killer.

The alternative to concealed-carry teachers in the classroom is a cadre of volunteer CCW holders who would also receive the required additional training.  These would come from the students’ parents, grandparents, and (retired) friends or community volunteers.  I’d bet the farm that there would be more than enough volunteers to sit in the back of classrooms while instruction is going on.  Each school could have a ‘security coordinator’ volunteer to coordinate with the school’s administration, maintain the active roster, and manage the ‘duty calendar’ for the classroom security volunteers.  The marginal cost to the school district and community would be nil.

Given today’s mobile devices (laptops, pads, smart phones, …), the security volunteers can easily be productive on their own projects as they carry out their assigned watches.  I know from our family’s circle of friends and contacts, that almost everyone would volunteer who could pass the training requirements.  As an example, for years I was a member of the Banner Mountain firewatch team and pulled many a 4-6 hour morning and afternoon stints on the tower (until the tower was decommissioned).  It was a rewarding experience, as I’m sure it would also be to serve as a classroom security volunteer.

(For the record, America’s CCW holders are the most reliable and law-abiding cohort of citizens when it comes to psychological stability, gun safety and proficiency, and criminality/gun violence.  Statistically, you are six times more likely to be assaulted by a rogue LE officer than a CCW permit holder.)

[28may22 update]  A commenter raised a valid question about the availability of sufficient volunteers to implement the above described classroom security approach.  I’ve taken a more detailed look at the numbers, and it appears to be doable.  These back-of-envelope calculations are available here –  Download Classroom Security Volunteers.  Readers thoughts are always welcome, especially as they point out any errors or weaknesses (not already covered in the comment stream below).

[4jun22 update]  Certify retired military personnel to serve as armed school security guards – so proposes Sen Lindsey Graham (R-SC).  Above I have made case for such a solution that can be implemented more rapidly than any ineffective anti-gun legislation.  (more here)

The Left, of course, is dead-set against such a practical solution, and surprisingly they are joined by some folks from the other side who also think it’s the dumbest thing they ever heard of.  Nevertheless, that kind of solution, using trained and certified volunteer security guards, is staring us in the face with no reasonable opposition save ‘schools should remain a gun-free zone’, or more simply, ‘it’s a stupid idea that will never work’.

[9jun22 update]  Well, things may be looking up with getting more defensive guns into schools and classrooms.  Reports are coming in that in certain red states teachers are volunteering to carry guns (here).  And we now hear that even in progressive New Jersey militant parents are convincing school districts to hire off-duty and retired LE officers to serve as added security in schools (here).  These people will be paid.  So that brings us a few steps closer to the volunteer security concept outlined here as the affordable solution to protect our children.

BTW, does everyone notice that the ‘do something’ new gun regs coming out of the House have nothing to do with protecting the children?  (They’re just a desperate Dem election issue since everything else they propose is a demonstrable disaster for the country.)  And no Republican has the balls to resist the new ‘do something’ hysteria by asking why existing gun regs – from past ‘do something’ hysterias – aren’t being enforced and/or have proven to be totally ineffective in reducing ‘gun violence’.

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202 responses to ““… to protect the children.” (addended with 9jun22 update)”

  1. Scott O Avatar

    As in most of these situations, what actually happened is hard to discern. First it was reported that he had body armor and now I’m reading maybe he didn’t. I have read some accounts saying that the school safety officer was there and ‘engaged’ the killer. Whatever that means. This should be easily available info by now, but yelling at your political enemies is more fun.
    We know how to stop this sort of thing at schools but I seem to recall certain folk complaining that they don’t want to turn their schools into an ‘armed camp’.
    Shrug – OK, then enjoy dead children. Right now the problem/remedy flow chart always starts at the bottom first with the remedy being “blame Republicans” and then it winds its path upwards towards the problem. It shows us the left and the Dems are not serious about actually stopping the problem.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    There is a claim the newest dead shooter (best kind) was wearing a vest that had pockets for bullet resistant plates, but he didn’t have the plates.
    Again, here’s a list of grievances over HR 8 that Congresscritter Scalise wrote up:
    https://www.republicanwhip.gov/news/h-r-8-facts-and-failures/
    and
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/rep-steve-scalise-democrats-dont-want-you-to-hear-what-i-have-to-say-about-guns-and-the-second-amendment

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Policies that have a chance of working – Every teacher and certain staffers are trained and required to be concealed-carry armed when on duty. This policy is then made public. Israel has demonstrated the efficacy of such policy”
    Gaaaad no! Not in this country and not with this country’s teaching and administrative school staff. It is my understanding that in Texas today, by district, schools can allow concealed carry by teachers and staff who have a CCW. Opt in, not required.
    I’ve heard it claimed that to date, there’ve been no shootings, accidental or on purpose, in the districts that allow staff to carry concealed in accordance with local law.

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Paul Emery…
    I assume you have had a chance to look it up. Are you now convinced all retail gun sales come with a background check, and the latest shooter did pass?

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Here’s what I found Gregory
    “The 18-year-old who shot and killed 19 children and two adults at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, legally bought the weapon he used, law enforcement officials said Wednesday.
    Salvador Ramos purchased two AR-style rifles at a local federal firearms licensee on May 17 and on May 20, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. He also purchased 375 rounds of ammunition on May 18, according to Texas DPS.
    In Texas, an individual between the ages of 18 and 21 can buy a long gun or rifle, such as an AR-15. With certain exceptions, an individual must be 21 to buy a handgun.
    Carrying a gun in Texas required a permit, until September 2021, when a state law freed Texans from the permit requirement. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed a bill last summer championed by gun rights’ advocates that allowed for permitless carry.”
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-school-shooting-ar15-gun-laws/

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  6. Scott O Avatar

    Typical Psul – blows his mouth off and then decides to look up the facts.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    And Paul… he passed the background checks? You had claimed both rifles were purchased without it.
    So, what did the background check prove?
    Carrying without a permit isn’t likely to stop a murderer, is it? Do you see Ramos deciding against carrying the gun to the school to murder a bunch of kids because it would mean he could also be found guilty on a much lesser charge… assuming he had any idea he’d live through it.
    The white-adjacent Virginia Tech shooter a number of years ago was apparently getting tired of pulling the trigger ’cause he shot himself when he heard LEA driving up.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Here is another brainiac who does not know the difference between an AR15 and an AK47 –
    Washington Post editor flamed for claiming the AR-15 rifle was ‘invented for’ the Nazis
    😉

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The background check did not include the mental stability or maturity of the purchaser and no permit is necessary in Texas for rifles. Purchase required only a felony and age check as I understand it. If you find more information let me know. So Gregory how is it that in Texas you can buy two AR 15’s and hundreds of round of ammunition without a permit and you cannot legally drink a beer? Don’t you find that a little odd? Also less than 2 ounces of pot carries a maximum penalty of 180 days in jail and a fine of up to $2,000.

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  10. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: Psul Emery | 26 May 2022 at 02:51 PM
    …..truly the king of changing the subject.

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  11. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Stupid is as stupid does @251
    😉

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  12. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I agree with you Don. It’s stupid that you can legally buy two AR 15’s and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at the age of 18 and at the same time can’t buy a beer.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The background check is not an FBI investigation, Punch. There is no sainted Bureaucrat in charge of background checks with the wizdumb to decide who is worthy. It’s a query of all databases that know if you are sleeping, know if you’re awake, know if you’ve been bad or good, yad yada yada.
    If you’ve been adjudicated a loony, you won’t get the gun…unless a bureaucrat didn’t enter the judgement into the database.
    This isn’t hard. The rifle is there and you have a right to own it unless your actions have marked you as someone who doesn’t get to own and carry guns. That’s what the background check IS.
    Now, if you live in a state that allows the unwashed to own machine guns, you do get an FBI background check before you get the permit.

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  14. Scott O Avatar

    Psul – “It’s stupid that you can legally buy two AR 15’s and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at the age of 18 and at the same time can’t buy a beer.”
    So Punchy thinks the kid shoulda been able to pick up a case of beer on the way home from the gun store?

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Scott if you are old enough and mature enough to buy two AR-15’s and hundreds of rounds of ammo why aren’t you old and mature enough to buy a few beers? Any ideas you might have would be appreciated.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Highway funds, Punchy. Highway funds. Been that way since Jimmy Carter was President. Before that, a man could legally drive with an open container between his legs from Wa State to the Great State of Texas. Back then, the drinking age was 19 in Idaho so a lot of trips to Stateline to the Buy & Bye. Idaho also had Coors, which paid for the trip cause Washington State banned it. 3.2 beer only. Anyway, Carter ruint a good thing, drive 55 and no beer for you until you are 21. Hawaii was 18 to purchase the adult beverages. Darn Carter.
    Highway funds. In CA, a person cannot buy a cigar under 21 years old, but that kid can die for our country overseas. I believe the CA Supreme Court (or maybe SOTUS) declared CA’s law to require one to be 21 to buy a rifle was declared unconstitutional. End of story.
    —————-
    PS: I resent people comparing Biden to Jimmy Carter. Carter made a mess of every problem. Mishandled every major problem of significance. Biden, on the other hand, has created every problem, every mess.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 512p
    Where is beer listed in the Bill of Rights?

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  18. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    If an 18 year old can’t buy a rifle, you have to wonder about the 26th Amendment.

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  19. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Where is beer listed in the Bill of Rights? ”
    Right after the free education and free healthcare part.

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    Paul 5:12 – “…why aren’t you old and mature enough to buy a few beers?”
    Because too many 18 year olds would buy more than a few beers. And then drive.
    18 year olds buy firearms every day. You might notice the overwhelming majority (like 99.9999999%) don’t go out and murder people. And kids of any age have no trouble buying a firearm to murder people if that’s what’s on their mind.
    The problem here we are dealing with is that our society is cranking out an increasing number of messed up teens and young men. They are bitter, alienated and seem to have no self control. They will obtain weapons or destructive materials or vehicles and kill lots of people unless we identify and stop them. And do this without turning into a police state or infringing on our Constitutional rights. Bickering over the age of legal ownership of a firearm vs that of buying booze gets us nowhere.

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  21. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Where is beer listed in the Bill of Rights?
    I haven’t found it in there either but if you can locate it I will surely be in your debt sir.

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  22. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Bickering over the age of legal ownership of a firearm vs that of buying booze gets us nowhere.”
    Especially since there are your choice of 50 states, DC Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin Islands and perhaps another territory or two. Vive l’differance!
    They ain’t all texas.

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  23. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    There is something inherently inconsistent about complaining that school teachers can’t be trusted because they are indoctrinating children with critical race theory and advocating that they be armed to protect from mass shootings at the same time.
    Which is it, trusted protectors of children, or viscous tools of left wing propaganda?
    I have a solution, lets have armed school teachers attend school board meetings where they are debating critical race theory 🙂

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The Truckee six figure 501c3 CEO stops by to make a joke out of the recent shooting.
    Vicious or viscous, Steve?

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  25. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I have a solution, lets have armed school teachers attend school board meetings where they are debating critical race theory :)”
    That was written by the President of the so-called Sierra Business Council, which isn’t a council of businesses.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF 759am – I trust your claim of ‘inherent inconsistency’ is not a mental deficiency, but just a set up for your punchline. What teachers teach in the classroom and what they may tactically do to protect the safety of their students are independent behaviors. Most people would have no trouble sorting that out.

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  27. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My theme which I will hit on again.
    ‘School Shootings Aren’t Caused By Faulty Gun Laws But By The Collapse Of The Family’
    “But whether he meant to or not, Abbott’s comments approached the heart of the matter. Indeed, he could have made an even more expansive claim. Texas has been awash in firearms of all kinds for two centuries, ever since the first American empresarios began arriving in Texas at the invitation of the newly formed Mexican Republic. For the past 60 years or so, there have been no major technological advances in firearm lethality. So why is it that only now, over the past two decades, do we see the kind of mass shootings we saw this week in Texas?”……
    “Politicians and pundits don’t want to talk about these things partly because there’s no law we can pass to fix it. It’s not a problem with an obvious solution. But they need to start talking all the same. We need to confront, collectively, the social maladies that create young men who murder indiscriminately, and chief among these maladies is the collapse of family and community.”
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/school-shootings-arent-caused-by-faulty-gun-laws-but-by-the-collapse-of-the-family/

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  28. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    S. Frisch sez: “Which is it, trusted protectors of children, or viscous tools of left wing propaganda?”
    I think that’s a fair statement, although it’s not meant as a constructive point.
    Naturally, teachergroomers make piss-poor protectors of children, whether it’s their minds or bodies.
    So where do you go from there? Home schooling? Nuns with rulers? A complete re-do of public schools?
    The thing is that the ‘viscous (vicious?) tools’ not only poison children but they create children who come back and kill children. It’s a feedback loop that needs interruption.
    Mass school killings, unlike urban gang shootings (mostly a product of a black underclass), are a massive tell of a failed modern culture that the Left has shoved down everyone’s throat. Their assumption is that they can cure it by doing more of the same. It’ll take decades for the crazy to fade away, so the best a sane person can do is segregate themselves.

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  29. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    GR 843a
    Of course, the punchline Steve was setting up was making light of threatening parents with being shot at school board meetings for opposing his (and the teacher’s unions) Leftist point of view.
    Very funny, Steve.

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    scenes 919a
    The murderous “black underclass” like the latino underclass and the emerging white underclass largely consists of aimless young men whose fathers were mostly absent from their lives.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    me 949p
    I sincerely apologize to people fond of American Samoa and the Mariana Islands.

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  32. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: Gregory | 27 May 2022 at 08:27 AM
    The Truckee six figure 501c3 CEO stops by to make a joke out of the recent shooting.

    I’m sure it has been agonizing for him having to wait a few days until the details were out to thus avoid repeats of previous incidents where upon climbing to the top of the pile in preparation to pontificate embarrassment followed when the shooter turned out to be the wrong color or hold political views uncomfortably close to his own.

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  33. Scott O Avatar

    Steven F 7:59 – “I have a solution, lets have armed school teachers attend school board meetings where they are debating critical race theory :)”
    Sounds good. Since the backers of CRT have no sound or valid arguments, shooting the parents dead would be their only avenue of persuasion. And it would expose the lefties for what they really are.

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  34. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    It’s actually a very constructive point.
    It’s clear many posters here do not trust teachers to teach but they trust them to be warriors, protecters and armed agents.
    I know that of course you don’t see the inconsistency in this world view but I assure you, thinking and rational people do.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    LE response time – it’s heartening to see that the Uvalde parents were finally able to start the national discussion about the realities that characterize the actual LE response time as described in my commentary. This morning it was revealing to see senior LE officers attempt to explain away the one-hour ten-minute delay in confronting the killer. As with all self-serving bureaucracies, there was little shame apparent when the bureaucrats circled the wagons.

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  36. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “I know that of course you don’t see the inconsistency in this world view but I assure you, thinking and rational people do.”
    No Steve, everyone can see the difference between methodically murdering students in cold blood, and teaching a bad curriculum to bad ends against the will of parents.

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  37. Scott O Avatar

    Steven F 11:20 – “I know that of course you don’t see the inconsistency in this world view but I assure you, thinking and rational people do.”
    Of course ‘thinking and rational’ people would be able to explain their view, but we see that Frisch does not. He simply trots out a grade-school level passive-aggressive insult.
    You could, of course, try the patented Punchy argument: “it’s obvious…”

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  38. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    ” It’s clear many posters here do not trust teachers to teach but they trust them to be warriors, protecters (protectors?) and armed agents. ”
    Why would I trust them to do any of these things?
    They are drawn from a completely different population than those I had myself some time ago.
    ‘Teacher’, ‘Warrior’,’Protector’, ‘Armed Agent’ lol
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1528907712007790592

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Checking, the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council is down to 14 white women (well, one is white-adjacent) and one white guy, besides Steve.
    How do you keep your leftist cred, Steve?

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  40. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “they trust them to be warriors, protecters (protectors?) and armed agents. ”
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1530241586646331392
    To be fair, we really should find jobs for mentally ill people. It’s a problem worth thinking about.

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  41. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Gregory@12:27PM
    I just think of Steve F. as a genius. There’s a huge opportunity out there for the ‘Sierra Equity Council’ and another genius is going to grab it.
    re: Mentally ill kids and shootings and the mentally ill teachers that help produce mentally ill kids, even parts of the Twitter hivemind are on it.
    https://twitter.com/Mast3rmo/status/1529487203612631043

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  42. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “I know that of course you don’t see the inconsistency in this world view but I assure you, thinking and rational people do”
    ‘Thinking and rational’ being shorthand for ‘people who agree with me’ naturally.
    Just kicking in one more micro-thought on the matter, it’s funny how that tendency in argument rhymes with Psul’s ‘gotcha’ moments.
    I think that the canonical version goes like so:
    IF YOU ARE PRO-LIFE, WHY ARE YOU FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT??!!
    CHECKMATE, BIGOT!!!
    It’s the kind of thing that got tiresome in the junior high lunchroom many moons ago and didn’t age well since. There’s always That Guy who comes up with these highly original observations. Of course, they usually ate glue in their private time.

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  43. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “The alternative to concealed-carry teachers in the classroom is a cadre of volunteer CCW holders who would also receive the required additional training.”
    No!
    There is a world of difference between a person who is competent in self defense in their own world to being transplanted into K-12 and being able to grok who belongs and who doesn’t and what is the appropriate behavior for them as the odd person out with a gun.
    How about this as an alternative: every K-12 school has no more than 40% of the certificated staff being female, and all staff are allowed (but not required) to keep and carry a weapon.
    This was one school out of what, 130,000? Let’s not create more problems than we have already.

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  44. psfish Avatar
    psfish

    Posted by: scenes | 27 May 2022 at 12:44 PM
    I just think of Steve F. as a genius. There’s a huge opportunity out there for the ‘Sierra Equity Council’ and another genius is going to grab it.

    Probably going to need to be that other genius. Not the best optics with The “Master Race All Stars” over at the SBC. Maybe an Affirmative Action “President” fronting and he could pull it off though!
    Let’s see if it’s Brass Ring time….

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 241pm – Wow! are we ever on opposite sides of that concept. You are picking a non-existent nit. In my scenario the CCW holder can be equally trained to provide classroom security more reliably than can a fledgling non-CCW teacher starting from scratch. The standing operating order for a classroom CCW security volunteer is absolutely no different than it is for him when carrying in public. You are allowed to use deadly force only AFTER you reasonably determine that murder and/or mayhem has started or is in the offing.
    And ‘grokking’ who belongs in a classroom and who doesn’t is a non-starter. Shooters are real easy to tell when they enter a classroom – furtive and brandishing. Bottom line, the volunteer can tell as easily from the back of room as can the teacher who addresses the entrant from the front of the room. Apparently some concerned citizens would rather classrooms go without any security than have trained volunteers fill in – an attitude beyond my ken.
    Right now we have a killer-friendly system in place in our schools guaranteed to support massacres. Are you among those who demand some 100% reliable system before doing something as obvious as what I have described? Is ‘perfect’ the enemy of ‘good’ in your world?
    But then again, I may not have described my solution well enough for you to understand. Mea culpa.

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No George, I understand your proposal very well. Your volunteer CCW geezer corps will be a non-starter.
    You assume current k-12 staff are firearm naive. Most are, but by allowing them in a must issue sense to bring their arms with them, they take away the gun free zone freedom from the would be shooter.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Why would requiring registration and training in basic gun safety as a requirement for ownership be a violation of the 2nd amendment in your view? It doesn’t violate the right to bear arms. Anybody can own a gun they would just have to go through that process. Much like a drivers license .

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  48. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    When Cain killed Abel with a rock, the Lord did not get rid of all the rocks. The Lord rightfully blamed Cain and not the tool with which Cain killed his brother. The point being that we don’t have a gun problem in the USA, we have a sin problem.

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  49. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Psul Emery | 27 May 2022 at 03:53 PM
    You are at your most entertaining when you think you’ve stumbled onto a bold new argument.

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