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George Rebane

TwoBodiesProblemAccording to a leaked draft, SCOTUS appears prepared to rule on Mississippi’s Dodd v Jackson challenge to the longstanding and contentious 1973 Roe v Wade decision to legalize abortion as a constitutional right in all 50 states. (here and here) By various attempts to overturn RvW since then, many states have additionally ruled that RvW really only grants abortion rights during the first 30 or so weeks of pregnancy.

Now DvJ has reduced this down to the first 15 weeks. (more here) And this started the brouhaha that was appealed all the way up to SCOTUS, which, according to the draft, promises to reconsider the whole question of constitutionality and to reinstate federalism by again allowing the several states each to legislate their own abortion laws. 

The Left, generally against federalism, hates this and anybody and everybody who wants to restrict a ‘woman’s right’ to an abortion, up to and including a post-partum killing.  And for good measure, all progressives want the state to pay for such abortions on demand.

My own take on abortions is included in the 2012 post ‘Abortion and the Two Bodies Problem’.

[4may22 update]  There was a gathering of Nevada County’s ignorant and double dummies to protest the SCOTUS draft on Broad Street. (here)  It is hard to believe that any of these fellow citizens and neighbors, among whom we must live, know the contents of RvW, Mississippi’s DvJ, or the leaked draft.  The depths of their considerable deficits allow them to comfortably demonstrate for democracy while denying the ability of Americans in the several states the ability to vote for the abortion policy that they and their fellow residents support.  The facile way they continue to be manipulated by the nation’s leftwing elites recalls Lenin’s definition of ‘useful idiots’.

[6may22 update]  Another illustration of the intellectually brain-dead Left is their ongoing charge Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh broke their promise to the Senate that they would honor Roe after being confirmed.  There is no evidence whatsoever that they made any such commitments during their hearings, yet the Democrats and their lamestream have now adopted that as their latest Big Lie, adding it to their already historic collection that continues to grow at an increasing pace as the November election approaches.  Another one of their ‘poetic truths’?

On the lighter side, the photo below was recaptioned by one of our regular readers.  He didn’t specify whether the new non-scalable fence is supposed to keep the Republicans in or out.

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64 responses to “Roe v Wade v Dodd (updated 6may22)”

  1. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I don’t believe that Gregory. I believe 16-20 weeks is enough time for a woman to make a thoughtful decision except in situations where a woman’s health is in serious jeopardy or the baby is no longer capable of sustaining life.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Barry
    Look at Oklahoma for an example of what can happen. In that state a woman has no rights to an abortion.
    “Clinics have already ceased providing abortions in Oklahoma since the governor signed into law HB 4327 in May.
    That law bans abortions from the point of fertilization with limited exceptions by allowing private citizens to sue anyone who performs an abortion, or “aids or abets” someone in getting an abortion.”

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Let me ask you as a Conservative what right does the GOVERNMENT have to interfere with the decision a woman may make concerning her body? Is that “right” explicit and defined in the Constitution?

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy, what right does the GOVERNMENT have to keep parents from strangling their children?
    The baby isn’t a part of a woman’s body, Punch. I thought you knew that.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    That is your opinion Gregory. I contend the woman has the right to determine that.
    Can you show me a legal federal decision that confirms that?

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  6. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    “Let me ask you as a Conservative what right does the GOVERNMENT have to interfere with the decision a woman may make concerning her body? Is that “right” explicit and defined in the Constitution?”
    Your question is unclear and has faulty premises. Which government? A baby is not her “body.” There are two bodies, two minds, two hearts, two distinct people. Where are you finding this “right?” Nuance. You can’t just paint with that broad brush and expect intelligent responses.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1257p – First, the ruling was on the interpretation of what the Constitution says about abortion rights (hint: nothing). Second, the Constitution is a restrictive document on federal powers viz states and individual rights. Third, I agree with Gregory’s 120p as I try to make clear in the above figure first used in my 2012 piece ‘Abortion and the Two Bodies Problem’.
    https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/10/abortion-and-the-two-bodies-problem.html

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George since you are saying that a woman has no say in what she can do with her body-unborn child that she possesses. Are you saying the GOVERNMENT then represents the rights of the unborn? How does that suit you as a Conservative?

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The “baby” has DNA sequencing different from Mom. Half is from the momma unit, half from the daddy unit.
    To the point that a body part from Baby isn’t transplant-able into Mom.
    Different people, different DNA.
    Punchy, I thought you knew this stuff. No?
    Ever see the movie Prometheus? Actress Noomi Rapace has an alien removed from her. Nasty critter!

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  10. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    The federal government has no business conferring rights. Rights are inherent and endowed by nature. As of today the federal government is out of the picture. Such decisions will be made regionally based upon the majority of folks in such region. I don’t get why progressives are tripping out. Nothing changed in most states. Who are you (a resident of California) to tell Hoosiers how to deal with abortion? The only place in our system authorized to deal with this issue is the states. I don’t even think that Congress can legislate constitutionally. Congress may not even have the authority in the constitution.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Gregory a one month fetus has rights that are enforced by the govrnment.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “It’s like an alien meat cake”
    https://whyy.org/segments/the-placenta-went-viral-and-protomammals-were-born/
    ““The placenta is essentially a fascinating organ because it allows for two human beings that are genetically very different. Because half of the fetus is maternal, but the other half is paternal, and yet the pregnancy can go on for nine months without the mom’s body destroying it,” Barroeta said. “And that, from an immune standpoint, is fascinating, because if you were to receive a piece of someone else and insert that under your skin, that would not last there for three days, your body will actively reject it.”
    So the placenta has to be the most incredible gatekeeper. It has to let oxygen and nutrients get to the baby, and it has to let carbon dioxide and waste get out. For example, medicines can get through, protective antibodies can get through. But if the mother and baby ever actually touched, or if any blood got through, the mother’s immune system would immediately kill the baby.
    Coolahan kept researching. She stumbled across a paper by Ed Chuong, who researches molecular cellular developmental biology at Biofrontiers Institute in Colorado. According to Chuong, “The placenta we think of as a defining characteristic of live-bearing mammals … primates, rodents, dogs, cats, etc.,” is estimated to have evolved about 150 million to 200 million years ago. Before that, if you wanted to reproduce, you had to lay eggs.”
    In other words, the placenta belongs to the baby.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Barry, as an attorney what is your take on this? I understand they possibly man be able even to sue someone in another State.
    “Texas’ abortion law, passed last year as Senate Bill 8, empowers private citizens to sue anyone who “aids or abets” an abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy.
    The law is extremely broad — anyone, regardless of where they live or whether they have a connection to the person obtaining an abortion, can bring a lawsuit against anyone who helps someone obtain an abortion in virtually any way.”
    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/24/texas-abortion-law-legal-challenges/

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  14. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I think the Supreme Court did the right thing in getting rid of Roe and Casey. Those decisions represent some of the worst judicial activism since Dred Scott. They were ill thought out and a complete aberration in constitutional law. Frankly, I don’t care what happens now. I’ll leave that up to the individual states to figure out how they want to deal with the balancing between the lives of two distinct individuals. Like the justices of the Supreme Court who decided to Roe and Casey. I am only a lawyer and not an ethicist or a legislative body which is designed to determine such balancing.

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