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Quietech in Grass Valley is a very capable local computer service store owned and run by Melissa Hannebrink.  The Rebanes have been satisfied customers since Melissa’s retired father established the business.  This morning Melissa sent her customers an email that begins with, “I am writing you today with a very heavy heart. As I have shared with some of you, here at Quietech we have endured daily abuse over the past 10 months. By enforcing basic COVID guidelines, there are some who feel their rights are being infringed upon. In addition, we have some who walk through our doors and are so disappointed to find that they aren’t next in line, or that they can’t have their device fixed on-the-spot, that they have full-blown tantrums. These unfulfillable expectations, in addition to the pressures of COVID, seem to be creating the perfect storm for abuse, shockingly even from some of our longest-standing clients. This morning, we had an incident that went too far. We decided to temporarily close to regroup, although the last thing we want is to close our doors and stop helping those in our community who need us.”  As the country sinks into its woke-powered autocracy, we will be reminded more frequently than ever that a gossamer thin veil separates civilization from barbarians at the gate.

Welcome to the After-Trump Era.  Victor Davis Hanson explains the matter to us in his latest commentary.  There he points out, “During the Trump Age, the president was supposedly responsible for every death from COVID-19. Now, the media report that career scientists and health administrators in the federal government, especially at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were largely to blame for past slow testing, and were tardy and lax in apprising the nation of the infectious threat. … In the new age, expect the media and government to suddenly resent any pushback against a sitting president. Questions about the Biden family’s past multimillion-dollar influence-peddling overseas or Biden’s cognitive ability can no longer be asked. … None will compare the recurring violence of Antifa or Black Lives Matter to that of Islamic terrorists. None will compare Biden, who dismissed Antifa as a mere “idea,” to Mussolini or the Nazis. Any retired officer who smears the president, we will be reminded, would violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice. … The media, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, Hollywood, top retired military brass, corporate America, universities, and professional sports are all recalibrating the truth for our Year One. … In about a month, they will have it down. And soon, we won’t even be able to tell the old reality from the new.”

[29jan21 update] Danny Pearl’s killer is set free by Pakistani courts (more here and here).  Pearl, WSJ’s South Asia bureau chief, was kidnapped and beheaded in 2002.  Danny’s parents, who have been fighting the Pakistani justice system for almost twenty years, stated “Today’s decision is a complete travesty of justice” that “puts in danger journalists everywhere, we urge the U.S. government to take all necessary actions under the law to correct this injustice.”  RR has covered this Islamist travesty in previous posts here and here.

[30jan21 update]  Ms Hannebrink has surprisingly taken exception to my above Quietech entry.  Her remarks with my reply may be found @1058am in the comment stream.  I find it remarkable that she seems to think that I ascribed a political leaning to her remarks, especially when I explicitly declined to do so.

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120 responses to “Dark Days Diary – 28jan21 (updated 30jan21)”

  1. THOMAS O'TOOLE Avatar
    THOMAS O’TOOLE

    Melissa and her Quietech Team are and have always been nothing less than sensational! I am so sorry the county is changing in such a manner that good people are placed in a position of being abused. Jude and I appreciate and thank you for bring this important matter to the attention of the county citizens who care and are concerned for Nevada County’s future.

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  2. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    “As the country sinks into its woke-powered autocracy, we will be reminded more frequently than ever that a gossamer thin veil separates civilization from barbarians at the gate.” I don’t think that your garden variety liberal truly understands the dangerous game which they are playing and from which millions of lives can be lost.

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  3. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Creepy grampa joe caves to the congressional jihadi cacus so 9/11 attackers get it first-
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/28/report-biden-administration-vaccinating-terrorists-first/
    😉

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘Spoiled Rotten’
    Students at the United Nations International School launch an anonymous social media campaign denouncing their teachers as “racists” and “oppressors.”
    Money quote: “The Instagram campaign demanded that the school “fire the racist principals,” threatened to begin naming their “oppressors,” and pledged a policy of no mercy: “No one is obligated to protect you from those consequences and no one is obligated to forgive you.””
    ———
    “The dynamics at this bastion of elite progressivism reveal something important about the American political environment. The children of the most privileged people on the planet have donned the mantle of oppression to satisfy their moral narcissism and to exercise power over their elders. The adults, crippled with anxiety about any threat to their status, immediately bow to anonymous teenagers leading an online mob.
    This is the same basic pattern now spreading through most major institutions in the country, from federal agencies to state boards of education to Fortune 500 companies. More than anything, what’s needed in America today is moral courage—precisely the virtue that has vanished from those who administer our institutions.”
    https://www.city-journal.org/black-at-unis-campaign

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  5. Walt Avatar

    For life after Trump,, a new record of executive orders.
    26 in just the first week!
    The mark of a true dictator. But how many did HE actually think up, and not his caregivers?
    Just who is the one whose hand and arm are elbow deep up his bum?

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  6. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    You are so colossally full of sh*#.
    First, the “barbarians at the gate” are the very people you and your crew have supported who refuse to mask when entering a private business and who attack those who seek to comply with public health advice. You are the barbarian at the gate.
    Second, Joe Biden never said antifa is an “idea,” he said in the first presidential debate, “His own [Trump’s] FBI director said … antifa is an idea, not an organization,” referring to FBI Director Christopher Wray’s testimony to Congress. Biden has consistently said that if the FBI or local prosecutors find a specific organization that is engaged in violence they should be prosecuted, a position shared by the vast majority of Democrats, who you continue to paint with a broad and inaccurate brush.
    You are correct that many will not compare antifa or Biden to “Mussolini or the Nazis” and that is because it is not antifa nor Biden who is adopting the language, rhetoric, symbols, arguments, or political philosophies of “Mussolini or the Nazis.” it is the right.
    There is a direct and identifiable link between for example the protesters who attacked the Capital building and radical right wing extreme organizations in the US who have adopted fascist ideas. A simple perusal of the attendees at the insurrection will show dozens if not hundreds of examples of runes, logos, symbols and messages from the fascist radical right. I could bury you in photos of those symbols. The use of those symbols is of course not illegal, but it is indicative of the ideas being advanced by their bearers.
    In addition it is increasingly clear that the crowd had organized presence from several groups inciting the larger group to insurrection and violence, including not just the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Three Percenters, but also people associated with various remnants of the National Alliance, KKK groups, Aryan Nation groups, and Christian Identity groups.
    It is also clear that many of the participants were current or former members of the military or law enforcement, along with a smattering of current and former elected officials, all of whom swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. In cases where these people engaged in violence they should be arrested and prosecuted, either under current civilian criminal law, or the UCMJ if there were serving members of the military. But it is equally clear that if a member of the military is merely exercising their first amendment rights, they should be free to do so.
    The problem here is that it has been and continues to be a clearly stated strategy of right wing militia groups to recruit from the ranks of the military and law enforcement, both for their skills and their ability to train others in their skills. This strategy shows up not just in the statements of early fuckheads like William Gale, Luther Pierce, David Duke and Richard Butler, but the new breed of violent right wing activists like Stewart Rhodes (OK), Michael Vanderboegh(3%) and Enrique Tarrio (PB).
    Finally, your lumping together of, “the media, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, Hollywood, top retired military brass, corporate America, universities, and professional sports…” is about 1 tiny short step away from the theory that all of these things are part of a jewish worldwide conspiracy to create a new world order.
    That is how you roll George, you go right up to the edge of violence, right up to the edge of sedition, right up to the edge of anti-Semitism, right up to the edge…and you edge your stupid fucking posse…then draw back and claim like a coward, “I never said that!”
    That is why I have said many times here, your entire political philosophy is the opposite of patriotism; it is un-American, anti-constitutional, separatist propaganda, right at the edge of treason.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    re StevenF 823am – Here is yet one more example of our local progressive pundit’s attempts at critique. Save for “barbarians at the gate”, every other quote or notion that he attributes to me is fabricated. Among his other deficits is that the man has poor reading skills.
    Yet he shares his socio-political fantasies with many like-minded hereabouts and across the country. And their intents are scary for those of us who disagree.

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  8. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch, You are so colossally full of sh*#.
    Your delusion is missing a big piece… Critical Theory. Wokeness. That’s what is driving the takeover. Destroying classical liberalism, free speech, individual vs group rights.
    Gramsci, Buttigieg, Marcuse, Derrida, Lyotard. Say their names.

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  9. 🐠 Avatar
    🐠

    Posted by: Gregory | 29 January 2021 at 10:23 AM
    ……..typical reactionary.
    /sarc

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  10. Scott O Avatar

    Frisch 8:23 – “Second, Joe Biden never said antifa is an “idea,” he said in the first presidential debate, “His own [Trump’s] FBI director said … antifa is an idea, not an organization,” referring to FBI Director Christopher Wray’s testimony to Congress.”
    Lame.
    Biden was quoting Wray because he agreed with Wray.
    Biden was advancing the idea of Antifa just being an ‘idea’.
    Biden refused to denounce Antifa and refused to denounce the actual violence going on all summer.
    We saw the lawlessness and rioting allowed by the leftist mayors and governors all summer, Frisch.
    That riot at the capitol was nothing compared to what happened when Trump was inaugurated. They just rioted against people that the Dems don’t consider important. You know – citizens of the United States.

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  11. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Damn, left out a key name…
    Gramsci, Buttigieg, Marcuse, Foucault, Derrida, Lyotard. Say their names.

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  12. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Gregory | 29 January 2021 at 11:29 AM
    …….Marcuse…..Horkheimer…..

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  13. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    LMFAO. Steve…you need to go bowling with Paul. Enrique Tarrio (a black Cuban) is a racist?! He must be the most self-loathing black in the USA. LOL. You throw out all of this bullshit that you read from biased sources but never try to know these folks or any facts. Sounds like CNN. You just yell racist and move along. And now George hates Jews?! Wow. You are what is wrong with America. Poster child.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    More on the Frisch screed. Does it ever occur to him and his that they are labelling at least half of Americans as being “right at the edge of treason”? Yet, the policies they promote and implement to completely destroy our country as a sovereign nation-state never occur to them as being existentially anti-American – they demand and are working feverishly for an openly-declared “fundamental transformation” of the United States. And in their one-track collectivist minds, opponents of such a transformation are simply labeled domestic terrorists and traitors.

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  15. Walt Avatar

    Days get darker with LIBS openly protecting LIBS.
    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/01/29/google-deletes-almost-100000-negative-robinhood-app-reviews/
    “Tech giant Google is actively removing negative reviews of the Robinhood trading app from the Google Play Store after users expressed their anger over the trading platform’s halt on buying certain stocks yesterday, including Gamestop.”
    Anger “speech” is now forbidden against Lefty thieves.

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  16. Scott O Avatar

    Here’s what happens to the swamp when they are caught.
    https://idahonews.com/news/nation-world/former-fbi-lawyer-gets-probation-for-altering-email-during-2016-russia-investigation
    Probation.
    Gee – what’s all this talk about attacks on our nation’s democratic institutions?
    Pure BS.
    Nothing to see here, folks – move along.

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  17. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 29 January 2021 at 11:39 AM
    “Does it ever occur to him and his that they are labelling at least half of Americans as being ‘right at the edge of treason’?”

    Even if he’s vaguely conscious of it it wouldn’t bother him. Scratch a “progressive” and you’ll find a person who dreams of filling the camps with his political enemies.

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  18. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Something team frischy will ignore because it does not fit the approved talking points for lefties –
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/29/german-tabloid-praises-boris-trump-netanyahu-criticises-eu-vaccine/
    😉

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  19. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 29 January 2021 at 09:34 AM
    Except of course George you did not refute any of my core points.
    Is it or is it not true that the “barbarians at the gate” of Quietech were not the “woke-powered autocracy” but anti maskers?
    Is it not true that Biden was quoting Wray, so his point was actually that Trump’s own hand picked FBI director was saying antifa is an “idea?”
    You also failed to note that that that statement was based on their own domestic terrorism threat assessment, released by the Department of Homeland Security on October 6th, which also stated, “However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years.”

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    Steven 159pm – I have refuted your “core points” for over a decade on these pages. As you have apparently forgotten, you and yours don’t have enough similarities in what I and mine view out there in the realworld.
    And you understand so little (anything?) of what I write. For example, the Quietech entry above has little to do with VDH’s commentary in the second entry. Quietech’s experience was not detailed by MelissaH, I have no idea as to their political make-up. And the context of Biden’s own assertion of Wray’s statement also makes it an expression of his own belief – he neither cited nor qualified it as otherwise.
    Finally, the logic you use to connect ideas, notions, history, … is totally foreign to me. Perhaps you were schooled differently, and have lived in a world in which the products of your logic are of little moment in the making of things that work and taking decisions. I have not had that luxury.
    Finally, you continue unabated in the supreme hubris that you know what other people think and mean, absent any supportive evidence from their actual expressions.

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  21. Walt Avatar

    Yup REAL dark… Change one name and the LIBS go blind with rage.
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/29/edited-maxine-waters-quote-trump-staffers-applied-cuomo-staffers-new-york-democrats-outraged/
    Now can the Libbys tell us who this was first said about?
    ““If you see anybody from the Cuomo Administration in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd,” the account wrote. “And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.””
    When some people on the Right take her up on it, it’s called “insurrection”.

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  22. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Gavin Newsom is my hero.
    https://babylonbee.com/video/22

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  23. Walt Avatar

    Just how butt stupid is this new “regulation”?
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/29/los-angeles-county-outdoor-dining-no-television/
    “Outdoor dining in Los Angeles County reopened Friday with a catch: restaurants and bars can’t have their televisions turned on for customers, according to a new health order.
    “Televisions or any other screens that are used to broadcast programming must be removed from the area or turned off. This provision is effective until further notice,””

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  24. Scott O Avatar

    Frisch – “Is it not true that Biden was quoting Wray, so his point was actually that Trump’s own hand picked FBI director was saying antifa is an “idea?”
    No, Frisch – that was not his point and you know it.
    You quote people for one of two reasons – either to bolster your argument or as a setup to refute the person you quoted.
    Biden was clearly quoting Wray to bolster his position that the ongoing left-wing violence was nothing to be bothered with.
    His VP pick was actively trying to bail out the rioters so they could get back to their playful antics.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    Now don’t forget what Nadless Nadler stated..
    “ANTIFA violence is a MYTH”
    https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf
    https://www.yahoo.com/now/rep-jerry-nadler-claims-antifa-021142019.html
    I’m sure Frisch has an excuse for that too.

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The chi coms are tying to bitch out creepy grampa joe out of the gate –
    Chinese bombers recently simulated an attack on a US Navy aircraft carrier in the South China Sea, the US military said Friday, confirming earlier reporting from the Financial Times.
    As the Navy’s Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group sailed into the South China Sea this past Saturday, the Chinese military sent eight H-6K bombers, four J-16 fighter jets, and one Y-8 anti-submarine warfare aircraft flying past Taiwan and into the contested waterway.
    Tracking data indicates the US carrier strike group entered the South China Sea by way of the Bashi Channel as the Chinese fighters flew through Taiwan’s air defense identification zone.
    The Financial Times, citing persons familiar with the US and allied intelligence, reported Friday that the Chinese bombers and fighters simulated an attack on the Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group. The Chinese bomber pilots were also reportedly overheard confirming naval strike orders and simulating the firing of anti-ship missiles.
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/chinese-bombers-simulated-attack-us-024043018.html
    😉

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  27. Scott O Avatar

    Walt 5:24 – It’s science, Walt. Everyone knows that if you sit at a table with a beer you will get sick, but if you have a sandwich with the beer, you’re good.
    Same with TV – if it’s on while you have your beer and sandwich, the light emissions from the TV will negate the protective power of the magic sandwich. LA County would love to explain this in more detail, but you’d just get confused.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Just an idea………

    Antifa Attacks Portland ICE Building, Hurls Mortars And Rocks At Feds

    Now I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for federal law enforcement but still…… I do wonder when the feds will finally decide to pull a Branch Davidian on the Teefers though?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/antifa-attacks-portland-ice-building-hurls-mortars-and-rocks-feds

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  29. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 29 January 2021 at 10:39 PM
    That explanation is no worse than most Climate Science. Maybe some diagrams with a TV and squiggly lines emanating from the screen……..

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  30. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Scott O | 29 January 2021 at 11:04 AM
    I am not saying that Biden does not agree, I am saying that George misrepresented Biden’s statement by not providing the context, and that Biden sourced his comment with data directly from the FBI and DHS, positions appointed by Trump.

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  31. Scott O Avatar

    Frisch – George did not misrepresent Biden’s view. Biden’s view was that Antifa was just an ‘idea’.
    It is you who are trying to present a false narrative.
    The notion that the FBI and DHS are in agreement with Trump in this matter is laughable. You might want to brush up on the history of the FBI and Trump. The FBI was caught red-handed in a dispicible plot to frame Trump. Trump never advanced in any way the position that Antifa was just an ‘idea’. Biden did.

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Give it up Frisch, Biden stated “ANTIFA is an idea”.
    So when will you admit AGW is a myth? (But it makes s great excuse for free money.)

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  33. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 29 January 2021 at 11:36 AM
    Barry you are obviously either very ill informed or intentionally lying.
    The Proud Boys are a racist organization…period.
    The organization itself originated in the far right movement that promotes white replacement theory, the theory that whites in western society are the victims of s slow genocide, and open promote what they call “white chauvinism.” The originated in the very on line journal that Richard Spencer was the executive editor of. One of the key tenets is the idea that there is a battle for western civilization between Islam and Christianity. Sounds familiar here.
    The Proud Boys ally in media, on line propaganda, and in marches and action, with organizations like the Traditionalist Workers Party which is a direct descendent of several American Nazi organizations, various Klan factions, and numerous militia organizations.
    The Proud Boys openly advocate violence against both other organizations ands people and elected officials, including engaging in re-enactments of lynching a public assassination. The FBI has documented the Proud Boys ties to various white supremacist and separatist groups that have directly engaged in political violence.
    If you believe that because Enrique Tarrio is of Cuban ancestry and appears to be dark skinned that somehow absolves the organization of its actions and statements, then you are 1) underestimating the Proud Boys skills at intentionally manipulating messaging, and 2) forgetting that this sort of misinformation is a tool that these groups fully understand.
    Finally, you, in your previous role as a self styled leader and member of various groups in this county roundly rejected by voters I might add, have welcomed this racist, right wing, violent, anti-democratic, un-American treasonous mind set in, and are complicit in the rise of racist hate.
    You are a embarrassment to your profession, and to Nevada County.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Reply to Steve’s first post @ 8:23 am, Jan 29, Year One. (The first posts are usually the ones that tell ya what’s it’s all about. And the first line or two of the first post sometimes gets to the meat and potatoes.
    “First, the “barbarians at the gate” are the very people you and your crew have supported who refuse to mask when entering a private business and who attack those who seek to comply with public health advice. You are the barbarian at the gate.”
    In defense, some of us have grumbled about wearing masks in heat waves and all, but none of us here that I know off promotes the refusing of wearing masks when entering a public building, or business or attack those (physically?) to make them not to comply with public health advice. No one I know of. The mandates and guidelines are for personal hygiene (I follow that one only when I have to get cleaned up and venture out, while letting the facial hair grow in-between), mask wearing in public (including retail stores and strolling among humanity), and social distancing.
    That broad brush that the ‘dreaded we here” encourage not wearing masks is a most common talking point consistently hurled at ‘us’ from the Ozzie Von Barron Lavenders of the world, local The Union lefty commentators on articles, etc. It’s such a given to the ignorant that we are all anti-maskers to the point of refusing to mask up before walking into the local stationary store. What a load of horse shit.
    NEWS FLASH: Asking for more data is not anti-science. It is what those who follow the data request because they are looking at the data and are following the scientific mind and principles by asking questions. That is the scientific method and miles from being anti-science. How well to masks work? What’s the percentage of efficiency? What’s the infection rate between groups that mask up 100% and groups that mask up 50%, 80? Last I looked, about 90% of the population have been masking up anyway, whether they like it or not. For months. Liking it is not a requirement.
    Yes, I have posted memes, one with a chain link fence that said something like, ‘Trusting masks to keep out micron particles is like putting up a chain link fence to keep out mosquitos.’ This, I believe in social distancing is more effective than masks. When you social distance, masks become a mute point until one….like the miners of old…..comes out of the hills and heads for those distant city lights.
    Full disclosure: I don’t mask up at the gas pumps if few vehicles are at the pump and I am using a card to pay and not going inside. Sometimes I have masked up at the pumps when it’s packed, it all depends on the circumstances.
    Some places you are required to mask up outside your home. “Hey Sugar Plum, you better mask up if you are going to trim those roses on the side of the house. Don’t want to be accused of supporting some yahoo who refuses to wear a mask at the Knic Knac store and makes a big friggin deal over it and the cops are called and….well, Sweet Cakes, looks like “we” anti-science domestic terrorists. just killed another C-19 poor soul out there because….well, because that’s what we do best. Just think what would happen if the Wuhan China Virus did not have a 96% survival rate across the board. Much less for those under 60, way much less for the 20 something 2nd grade school teacher. And way way less for the school kids. Think the entire death toll for the Virus in 2020 for minors (17 and under) nationwide was 130. Total. Nationwide. Out of 60 million. Got to add a lot of zeros after the decimal point to make it even show up in the stats
    I am personally to blame for 400,000 deaths, not Dr. Rebane. And I AM personally responsible for every time some Nevada City bush rat denizen causes a disturbance at some downtown wrinkle village retail outlet I read the police blotter. The anti-maskers seem to like to target the Briar Patch. Wonder if that is the same bunch of guys that have been seen naked along the trail up there or harassing our women, chasing after them with an erection with needles dangling from their arms or between their toes. I take full blame for those messy Incidents of Human Behavior at the Patch, Steve. OK, except the hippy looking shoplifters.
    Bottomline: Steve is a pinky. My broad brush forced me to say that. Forced I say. Ihave no choice in the matter.
    It’s true. He is Commie Bastard socialist Anti-American facsist….er….a Post American Pinko
    Bottomline II: This C-19 thang is just a dress rehearsal for the GND.

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  35. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Scott O | 30 January 2021 at 08:29 AM
    Biden cited a source, George failed to disclose that. The point that Biden may agree with that is irrelevant; by not acknowledging the full quote and the source George is intentionally misrepresenting his view and what he said.
    And that is precisely how he edges every one of you here. George is a propagandist…he twists words and quotes to advance an idea, while leaving plausible deniability about the meaning.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Frisco Frisch sticking to the party memo.. “Don’t talk about ANTIFA.. They are just and idea and myth.”
    Think Portland and Seattle think that? How bout Frisco?
    30,000 business owners with property damage and high insurance costs say otherwise.

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  37. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Propagandist lies Steve. None of what you said above is true. None of it. Except that I lost an election. 😂

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    re Steven 917am – The point that Biden may agree with the words that come out of his mouth is “irrelevant”??!! If someone else said them first, then he doesn’t have any responsibility for his mouthings. Oh my.
    For the still interested reader, when the focused topic is on what A said/did, then, as long as A is a fully franchised agent, there is no need to dig out and cite the causal beam or basin of what B, C, D, … said/did as A’s progenitors. These are concepts totally beyond reach of almost all liberals.

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  39. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 30 January 2021 at 09:28 AM
    Absolutely everything I said about the Proud Boys is demonstrably true and that you don’t see that says a lot about not just your sympathies but you character. You are an apologist for racist and violent organizations and as such are complicit in the acceptance of their actions.
    I am clearly on record here multiple times rejecting political violence of all types from anyone, including the organizations and people commonly collected here under the label “antifa.” That many of you won’t do that with right wing organizations and people says everything that needs to be said.

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  40. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I noticed you guys are saying almost nothing about the groups identified within the crowd at the insurrection at the Capital that I cited, or about the openly Nazi, white supremacist, Klan and symbology displayed by many of the participants.

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  41. Scott O Avatar

    Stevie Baby – “I am clearly on record here multiple times rejecting political violence of all types from anyone, including the organizations and people commonly collected here under the label “antifa.”
    Yeah, Steve. We all remember clearly the many, many times you denounced the violent BLM and Antifa riots last summer. And the Dems that cheered on and encouraged the violence.
    Is this where I say “sarc off”?
    This is the internet, Steve. Your postings and silence on different occasions are a matter of record.

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  42. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Sorry Steve. Nationalist does not equal racist. I can’t argue with stupid. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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  43. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 30 January 2021 at 09:43 AM
    I noticed you guys are saying almost nothing about the groups identified within the crowd at the insurrection at the Capital that I cited, or about the openly Nazi, white supremacist, Klan and symbology displayed by many of the participants.

    I noticed you are saying almost nothing about the groups identified within the crowds of insurrections all across the country last year or about the openly Communist, Black Bloc, Black supremacist, and Anarchist symbology displayed by many of the participants.
    Notsees under Steve’s bed again.
    I suppose it’s OK to bring this up but for the love of god try not to sound like Punchy!

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  44. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Enrique Tarrio is literally a black Cuban. And you say that he leads a white supremacist organization?! You do realize how dumb you sound I hope. Maybe you should research instead of listening to SPLC and CNN and the rest of the democratic propaganda machine. I am very cognizant of the dangers of nationalisms and racism combined. Such unity between nationalism and racism is the cause of millions of death and should never happen again. Such is not happening now. What is happening on the right is nationalism around our ideals of life, liberty, and pursue of happiness for all men and women. Black, brown, male, female, gay, straight. No matter. I know that such unity on the right scares you for it portends the end of your leftist dreams. You scream racist in an effort to cloud the issue. I abhor all forms of racism and division…Especially the racism and division sown by the left-wing whackos you support.

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  45. Scott O Avatar

    Frisch 9:43 – The fact that you can’t “notice” reality is not our failing. My comments on the violence are a matter of record.
    I’m not saying much as to the particular ‘groups’ because I haven’t seen a lot of hard evidence about all of the different factions involved. I’m more than sure that a lot of bad actors, including Antifa infiltrators, anarchists, ultra right wing and yes – some outright racist people were taking advantage of the crowds and tumult to cause violence and trouble. These people were not there to support Trump nor were they even listening to Trump.
    A lot of the early reports of who these people are and their aims turned out to be partially or completely false. I’m waiting for actual facts and court proceedings before jumping to a lot of hysterical conclusions.
    There certainly was zero evidence that this was an attempt to overthrow the govt. And there is zero evidence that Trump advocated or encouraged the violence. The same can not be said for a lot of Dem leaders. They are on record encouraging and advocating violence against elected leaders and the public.

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  46. Scott O Avatar

    Barry 10:14 – You must remember that Steve is using the new, new definitions of ‘racist’ and ‘violence’ that are quite the in thing these days. We’re in a new world of Alice In Wonderland. This is the land of opportunity! Anyone can now be a white supremacist, racist, ultra right wing nationalist, NAZI, facist or whatever!
    Ya gotta know all the secret codes.
    Is this a great country or what?

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  47. Walt Avatar

    Just where did you learn history Stievie?
    The KLAN belong to you on the LEFT. Nazis were(and still are) socialists and white supremists.
    Holding the position of keeping illegals OUT is not racist.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Frisch is a propagandist…he twists words and quotes to advance an idea, while leaving plausible deniability about the meaning.

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