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My hatred of Bolshevism and Bolsheviks is not founded on their silly system of economics, or their absurd doctrine of an impossible equality.  It arises from the bloody and devastating terrorism which they practice in every land into which they have broken, and by which alone their criminal regime can be maintained.  Winston Churchill

George Rebane

This is another installment in RR’s educational series to illuminate the workings of a liberal mind.  As such it contributes one more important illustration of how the liberal mind functions, and why it is nigh impossible today to make any measurable progress when engaged with them in the understanding of political processes and the shaping of public policies.

Here one of our prominent liberal readers, burdened for years with a severe case of TDS, takes the former president to task once more for what to him is yet another of Trump’s lies – purposeful spread of deceit to harm Americans.  Before dissecting the errors, we examine the relevant parts of the exchange between the liberal and me as taken from the comment stream of the 23jan21 posting of Scattershots (here).

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Liberal Commenter: Trump had a PLAN that promised 20 million inoculations by the end of the year. Only 4 million were actually enacted. Another Trump lie.

Rebane: Those kind of hopeful promises by a president achieving historical accomplishments is all that the lame Left has to hang their hat, what a shame that there are grassroots Americans who can always be bamboozled by such astute observations and accusations. And, unfortunately, that share of our population is growing, thanks to our unionized propaganda mill that the Dems are trying to pass off as our public school system.

Liberal: So George you don’t consider Trump’s not even near achievement of his promise to be a lie? At least he could attempt to explain to the American people why it failed.

Rebane (responding to another liberal commenter): apparently our leftwingers never heard of low unemployment rates for minorities, or fastest time to develop vaccines, or the increase in middle-class wage purchasing power in decades, or …

Liberal: That’s a clumsy diversion from the question at hand. Why did Trump lie about the gross difference in his promise to deliver vaccines and the actual number he delivered? He only delivered 20% of what he assured the American people would be available. Was it out of ignorance that he made that prediction or did he simply lie and why did he think it not worthy of an explanation after the facts became known?

Rebane: My (above) citations were material, your endless citations of Trump’s “lies” are really inconsequential and an attempt to foster some kind gotcha dialogue. We’ve gone over this countless times. Do you really think this attempt at discourse is profitable on RR. Neither side accepts nor respects the other’s worldview. Why don’t you try working on some ways that the ‘unification’ your hero spoke of (and then immediately abrogated) could be achieved? Since you’re one of his believers, how do you think that he is now going to attempt to unify us? That’s a real conversation.

Liberal (responding to another commenter): The lie I’m referring to just happened and affected the lives of the other 16 million Americans that were expecting a vaccine based on our President’s promises. Who knows how many lives would have been saved had Trump fulfilled his pledge to the American people.

Rebane: Your question, “Who knows how many lives would have been saved had Trump fulfilled his pledge to the American people.” ranges from being baseless to totally illogical. There is nothing anyone could have done or would have done differently based on Trump’s hopeful schedule, which BTW he did not historically miss by much. No one was basing life/death decisions on Trump’s prognostication (not a lie intended to deceive). If you want to put a metric on a politician’s statement being a lie or not, use the decisions among the electorate that it may reasonably invoke. If those decisions taken were harmful to the people, then you MAY have a case to make about lies, if not then simple ignorance or bravura would serve. But those considerations are not germane to the points you want to make.

Liberal: What should Trump say to the 16 million Americans who didn’t get a vaccination because Trump lied?

Rebane: What again is the reason for bringing some “16 million” who supposedly didn’t get a shot because “Trump lied”????? Where is there any reason or logic behind such a question?

Liberal: Trump promised 20 million vaccinations by December. I assume we can agree on that. He only delivered 4 million therefore 16 million didn’t get the Trump promised vaccine.

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So there you have it.  For the sake of argument, let’s not quibble about whether, when, or how President Trump may have made his ‘20 million vaccinations’ statement.  Let’s just accept it as a plausible given that occurred during the course of Operation Warp Speed (OWS), a program already promising an historically early release of at least one vaccine before the end of 2020.  As every well-read American knows, part of OWS was the administration’s use of the military’s logistic resources to implement a plan to rapidly distribute the vaccine(s) to the states responsible for internal redistributions and actual inoculations.  And as every well-read American also knows, this first-ever effort was accomplished again with historical success.

And lastly, as every well-read American knows, these Trump administration successes were anathema to the Democrats during an election year.  All of which caused the already established and smooth-running Pravda-propaganda machinery to shift into high gear and report to the contrary almost every aspect of the ongoing milestone achievement.

ConfusedSo, in this context, we come back to our liberal commenter sporting a knowledge base on the matter obviously gleaned only from lamestream outlets.  But no matter, it is his logic that is in question here.  From the above comment thread it is clear that he somehow considers that there were 16M Americans who, pursuant to Trump’s 20M vaccinations statement, had made material plans to conduct their post-vaccination lives with the full expectation that they would be members of the fortunate 20M-member cohort.

That anyone would form a picture of how such a specific 20M-cohort, out of a population of 330M, would come to such a hopeful and fortunate conclusion is beyond any reasonable person’s ken.  And then our liberal logician implies, from out of the subsequently 16M left-out unfortunates there had to be some of them who contracted C19 and then died, that these deaths were now unquestionably on Trump’s shoulders.  Had he been prescient (or not perfidious) about the actual 4M inoculations realized, then miraculously, these deaths among the denied 16M would have been prevented.

Such mind-boggling machinations go on daily in millions of leftwinger minds.  It is their brains’ abilities to support such ‘reasoning’ that also contributes to the long list of fictions they harbor about how humans behave ethically, culturally, and in the marketplace.  (The most visible evidence of this is their unquestioning embrace of collectivist ideologies – e.g. socialism, communism, …) Therefore, in these pages there has never been an attempt to convince liberals of the nature of their follies, but simply to point them out so that perhaps the independent minded readers may benefit, and avoid a life-altering infection that is clinically visible with modern brain-imaging systems. (more here)

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91 responses to “Liberal Logic on Parade”

  1. Walt Avatar

    AAhhhh. “He who shall not be named.” I like it.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    One of the Trump lies recently decried by our Liberal is that Trump did not build the wall, thus Trump lied! It did make be smile for a whole day,
    Putting aside the resistance’s coordinated efforts to block all attempts to build the wall and all funding, let’s see what Biden did on Day One. Joey the Finger Licker ordered all the current on-going construction of The Wall to cease. Cease and desist. That makes Trump a liar!

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  3. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    You mean the wall that Biden stopped construction on was never built?! 😂

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  4. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Well
    Trump had four years to build the wall and he promised Mexico was going to pay for it and it never got finished. IT was a campaign promise. So time and money was not an issue so what do you think happened?

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  5. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Here’s more about his “promise” to build the wall:
    Donald Trump promised to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. That didn’t happen
    “Mark my words,” Donald Trump said when he launched his presidential campaign on June 16, 2015.
    Trump had just promised to “build a great wall,” on the U.S.-Mexico border, “very inexpensively.”
    “And I will have Mexico pay for that wall,” he said.
    More than three years into Trump’s presidency, his administration’s actions have not risen to his promise.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1397/build-wall-and-make-mexico-pay-it/

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  6. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Not so fast there creepy grampa joe –
    Federal judge blocks Biden’s 100-day moratorium on deportations
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-blocks-biden-deportations
    😉

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Bill Tozer | 26 January 2021 at 12:16 PM
    One of the Trump lies recently decried by our Liberal is that Trump did not build the wall, thus Trump lied! It did make be smile for a whole day,

    I bet Punch was just a joy on Christmas morning…….“Where’s my pony….you promised me a pony….that night 7 months ago when I just wouldn’t shut up and daddy stormed out of the house so he could hear himself think for a minute….and you with tears in your eyes said, “lil Punchy….if you will only be quiet for the rest of the evening I’ll buy you a pony for Christmas”! So where’s my pony….I want my pony….it was a promise….I’m going to tell everybody that you said you were going to get me a pony and then you didn’t…..so when do I get my pony….were you lying when you said you were going to buy me a pony?!

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  8. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    So fish you appareantly don’t believe campaign promises have to be fulfilled I guess. Besides that why do you think he didn’t build the wall? He had plenty of time-four years-and money was no problem because Mexico was going to pay for it-right?

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  9. Walt Avatar

    Well Fish,, the pile of pony droppings sure showed up.
    As for lies,, it is whatever he who shall not be named says they are. In his cataract coated eyes, if it’s not done overnight,, it’s a lie. Does the LIB understand it take time to invent cures? It takes time to build 1000 miles of barriour?
    Frivolous lawsuits take time to get kicked to the curb, Lawsuits to stop funding despite simple idiot english says the money CAN come from “X”,, also take time to kick to the curb.
    But those are all lies according to he who shall not be named.
    Now where is all my free money that Chanslor biden promised?
    You know,, “on day ONE”…..
    Is putting 60,000 people out of work “getting America back to work? You DO know Biden “promised” that?
    60,000 jobs GONE,, with one signature. Great “promise” kept… Right?

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If I recall, we had a shut down over funding of the wall. What, the longest shutdown in the history of our nation? Or so we were told non-stop, 24/7. How many lawsuits to block the Wall? How many testimonials of tears eyed folks who would lose their homes and die in the streets (government workers with bennies and contractors) because they might miss a check until the shutdown was over? Oh, you would have thought it was the end of the world if you were unfortunate to view The Addicted to Outrage Media-Leftinista Industrial Political Complex. Trump relented, ended shut down without getting money for the wall. One thing about Trump is he is a determined fellow. He tried going left, going right, going around, going over the resistance to build the Magnificent Beautiful Wall. And all Nancy would appropriate for border security was money to repair the existing falling down wall sections made with Vietnam era metal panels from pontoon boats and sides of scraped tanks….along with miles of two stands of cut barb wire hanging from old wooden decaying fence posts in to keep human smugglers and drug traffickers out. At least President Trump got a few hundreds miles done around critical choke points. A Herculean Effort, but yeah, Trump did not deliver on that one. Liar!!!!
    Funny, the same ones that have said at least a hundred times over that “you can’t believe anything Trump says, he is a liar,” are the same 16 million souls who hung on Trump’s every word about getting that needle in their arm. That was the one time, the first time after 4 years, that they 100% believed Trump the Liar and rearranged their whole schedule and lives to be among the first 20 million to get the vaccine, ROFLMAO.
    Rather than continue on, I will let this ride as a perfect exhibit of Liberal Logic on Parade.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    More LIB logic.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-apologizes-congress-target-riot
    “U.S. Capitol Police apologized to Congress Tuesday for failing to meet its own standards to immediately secure the Capitol building “in the face of a terrorist attack by tens of thousands of insurrectionists determined to stop the certification of Electoral College votes.””
    No,, “pissed citizens” ain’t terrorists. People took their gripe to the offending party. Not downtown businesses that did nothing to them.
    MAD Maxine did the inviting… Remember?

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  12. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    But Bill Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall. What happened?
    Bill
    If Trump would have lived up to his promise 16 million more people would have had a vaccine by December. Odds are that some of those, whoever they were, would have died of the Covid. Pure math. George knows that.

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  13. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Oh. My. Someone needs an intervention. Lol

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  14. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Barry
    Are you denying Trump promised to build the wall and Mexico was going to pay for it? So he had the money and four years. What do you think happened?

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  15. Walt Avatar

    To the LIBERAL.. The money that STAYED HERE instead of being SENT to MEX is a form of “payment”.. Illegals don’t spend those ill gotten gains here, They send it HOME.

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  16. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: paul emery | 26 January 2021 at 01:23 PM
    So fish you appareantly don’t believe campaign promises have to be fulfilled I guess. Besides that why do you think he didn’t build the wall? He had plenty of time-four years-and money was no problem because Mexico was going to pay for it-right?

    I didn’t get to keep my doctor!

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  17. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If I recall, Trump said the vaccine would be discovered and ready maybe by Thanksgiving(!) or December. Well, he was hoping and every single Disinformation Spreader of Lies (news redirectors, lamestream purveyors of lies and deceit and other vile sorts) all in unison said it was impossible to have a vaccine in that time frame. They ridiculed Trump over that one as utter nonsense, with expert after guest expert on the Max Headroom shows saying it is impossible, never happened before, end of story. Foolish lying man that Trump be. What, does he think he has a magic wand or something?
    Well, well, well. Come to find out that Pfizer discovered the cure, the miracle vaccine, in October (11?)
    but did not publicly announce the cure until after the election. Guess they did not want to break the good news before the election and influence the outcome…..and get blamed for re-electing Trump. And Biden on the trail said in no uncertain terms that he would discover the cure for cancer. That ain’t no malarkey, man. I will give him all the time he needs or that one. He does have three degrees and finished in the top of his class, so I trust him.
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    Well, I don’t know if Mexico paid for the Wall or the sections that were replaced, but I do know that Mexico paid for stationing 10,000 of their troops along theIr border with the US to prevent Illegals from sneaking in. Those fence jumpers are the ones who cut in line ahead all the other immigrants that play by the rules and respect our laws and country.
    10,000 troops stationed 24/7 month in, month out, year in, year out much cost Mexico a pretty penny. And all Trump did was close the major border crossing for 12 hours. One spot 30 hours. Mexico took it in the shorts for millions (Pesos) in just one day and got the message loud and clear. That have much more to loose the we do, lol. Money talks, bullshit walks.
    I look at it as The Mexican National Troops are/were providing us with border security in those long sections where the Dems refused to let Trump build his wall. That sure saves us Bookoo Bucks. Who needs a wall when the the Mexican army is standing shoulder to shoulder protecting our border. Thank you President Trump.
    Please, please, please lay some more of the Liberal Logic on me. Who needs Netflix? Live action is best.

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yep there’s one fish. I didn’t vote for Obama 2nd time around. Did you vote for Trump in Nov?

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  19. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 January 2021 at 02:23 PM
    Actually yes! I did this time.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Did your entire childhood involve your mother asking an endless stream of “gotcha” questions?

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  21. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Just for the record I also prefer that my Presidents under promise and over deliver. I kind of like the truth, bitter as it may be, over fantasy.
    BTW, I remember several here laughing at my prediction that we would have more than 250,000 dead by the end of the summer last spring.
    Sadly the Trump overpromise led to a false sense of security, rejection of common sense mitigation measures, and 425,000 dead as of today.
    Perhaps we could have done better if we had been rational instead of Covid being treated like just another political event by President Trump.

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  22. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The real question yet to be addressed is: Is the cause of our current divide due to four years of Trump or is it due to eight years of Obama? Hmmm. BDS proceeded Obama. I am beginning to see a pattern here.
    In search of the flawless human to make everything just right and good, with reassuring calming words.. That’s a path of disappointments, frustrations, tension, inner and outer conflicts, anger, depression, more anger, more frustrations…..big time Daddy issues. No Daddy could ever live up to those expectations. The first cut is the deepest. Despite what Daddy said, the Easter Bunny does not lay eggs. Bunnies do not lay eggs. Daddy is a Liar!
    Truly a world of black and white, all or nothing. No 50 Shades of Grey. No room for error. No room for perspective, no room for kindness, mercy, and definitely no room for forgiveness. A life full of disappointments and resentment leaves not room for joy or lasting happiness. . A life of pettiness, fear, and unwarranted pride. Glum, dark, gloomy.
    No wonder the Left is such a temperamental lot. No room for gratitude, no room for the good. Always living in envy, a unpleasant character trait that is worse than thieving.
    The irony is those who seek endlessly to control others are they themselves controlled by the need to control. Karma baby. What ye sow is what ye reap. Our Liberals cannot not stop by here. They have no choice. They are controlled by their need to control. TDS controls them. Every uncharitable word they hurled at Trump has come back to roost on their heads. Sour, Bitter, hateful negative people. You can spot them walking down the street by their Debbie Downer frowns and inner turmoil

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 26 January 2021 at 02:44 PM
    I’d love to point out where being “rational” (doing what Steve thinks best) hasn’t worked…..
    But I don’t want to deprive Gregory of that pleasure.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    Re Covid deaths (and especially liberals’ predictions), please tune in very early tomorrow.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    “Just for the record I also prefer that my Presidents under promise and over deliver”
    So Steve,, that means you REALLY like Trump.
    https://www.unionleader.com/opinion/op-eds/tom-thomson-promises-made-promises-kept—trump-s-accomplishments/article_e9e39869-a2b5-56e5-a2c4-3ffcf58fe2f8.html

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Sucking up hits a new low –
    Los Angeles Times mocked after dedicating new beat to celebrating Kamala Harris: ‘Blatant hagiography’
    ‘This is gross. This is literally the exact opposite of journalism,” one critic wrote
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/los-angeles-times-harris-blatant-hagiography
    😉

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  27. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 26 January 2021 at 03:06 PM
    Yep, can’t wait for your twisted logic proving how superior to the entire medical community you are at attributing caused of death. Right up your alley.

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  28. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Steven Frisch | 26 January 2021 at 03:18 PM
    Pot meet kettle…..

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Notice how NONE of the Lefties dare comment on Dictator Joe?
    No celebrating of his week of grand accomplishments.
    And definitely not his dumpster fire of executive orders(new records of signage.)

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  30. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Yep, can’t wait for your twisted logic proving how superior to the entire medical community you are at attributing caused [sic] of death.”
    Not the entire medical community, Steve.

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  31. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Perhaps we could have done better if we had been rational instead of Covid being treated like just another political event by President Trump”
    Rational… as in New York state?
    The most dangerous country in the world was (drumroll, please)… Belgium. Home of the EU.

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Yup,, LIB logic
    ( But not MY LIB government)
    “Democratic New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said “incompetent government kills people” during an interview Tuesday with MSNBC while discussing government response to the coronavirus.
    “Incompetent government kills people. More people died than needed to die in COVID. That’s the truth,” Cuomo said. Cuomo’s state of New York currently has the second-highest death rate in the country for the coronavirus, trailing only New Jersey, according to Heritage Foundation tracking as of Jan. 19. ”
    I’m sure Trump ordered him to put the elderly with kung flu into nursing homes so others could catch it.

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  33. Walt Avatar

    What the Proggy Press won’t tell “you know who”.
    “Layoffs are already being planned. TC Energy said the Keystone XL was going to sustain more than 11,000 jobs in 2021 so we can start the Biden administration with a net negative 11,000 jobs job is lost. Not bad for your first day.”
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/american-jobs-biden-keystone-xl-pipeline
    Question to the LIBERAL…. How many jobs killed on Trump’s first day?

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  34. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Nice to see the people are a priority for creepy grampa joe NOT –
    Trump’s impeachment trial threatens to derail speedy passage of Biden’s stimulus package and set up another unemployment cliff
    https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/trumps-impeachment-trial-threatens-derail-204830820.html
    😉

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  35. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    If you want to see liberal Logic on display, the Chicago Teachers Union months ago called re-opening schools for in-person instruction is both “racist” and “sexist” — the president of the Pasco Association of Educators (PAE), Scott Wilson just echoed the CTU and proclaimed last week, that re-opening schools for in-person learning is not only an example of “white supremacy,” but that concerns over students’ mental health are a form of “white privilege.”.
    WTF?? Concerns over students’ mental health are a form of “white privilege?” Silly me, I thought that is what every parent does automatically and assumed that is what any normal teacher would be concerned with, as evidenced with the proliferation of counselors, mental health staff, and a whole curriculum of instruction to lift the students’ self esteem and value in our public school buildings. Never assume.
    “Mental health problems account for a growing proportion of children’s visits to hospital emergency rooms, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” The Washington Post reported last week. “From March, when the pandemic was declared, to October, the figure was up 31 percent for those 12 to 17 years old and 24 percent for children ages 5 to 11 compared with the same period in 2019.”
    Well, it looks like our Liberal Logic on Parade were wrong. Although children are resilient, they will not just bounce back after a year of being locked out of school all bright eyed and bushy tailed rearing to go, like the whole thing never happened. They were wrong…..but refuse to admit their fuck ups. And no one will be charged with crimes against humanity. ‘Listen to the children’ was all BS. Politics trumps our children’s welfare and the double whammy is now our children suffer permanent harm. Liberals suck as much as CNN and MSNBC and the anti-Semitic NYT and the Wa Compost. Shame on them. How dare they. How dare they.
    School administrators across the country are now grappling with the suicide problem, noting that while students may be resilient when it comes to academics, they are dependent on social interaction. Thus common sense has become uncommon sense, aka, The Liberal Logic on Parade.
    —————————
    THEY DON’T EMBARRASS EASY
    The sinister role that teachers’ unions play in our society has come clearly into focus, as our children’s lives have been devastated by needless school closures across the country. These closures–still in effect in most places, despite all scientific evidence that they are both unnecessary and harmful–largely reflect the power of the teachers’ unions. They evidently want to get paid, without ever entering a classroom again.
    This video was produced by the Chicago Teachers Union. I won’t say it is the dumbest thing I have ever seen; competition for that honor is steep. But it is a contender. As noted in this post’s title, these people don’t embarrass easy:
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/they-dont-embarrass-easy.php

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Now that Trump is out,, this stuff is GREAT!!!!
    “The American Journal of Medicine now (Jan. 2021) now recommends Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, and Zinc for the treatment of Covid 19 outpatients.
    The irony is this is the treatment that former US President, Donald Trump promoted last year. The timing, right after the election, is interesting.”
    https://principia-scientific.com/the-american-journal-of-medicine-now-recommends-hcq-for-covid19/

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  37. Walt Avatar

    LIB logic…
    Step one.. Take control of power by any means necessary. (Rigged election)
    Step TWO.. Rewrite history according to us.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/26/joe-biden-1776-commission-offensive-and-counterfactual/
    Step THREE.. Silence dissenting opinion. (Still working on that)
    Get FOX and NEWSMAX removed from view. Removing Right leaning speech from social networking 80% complete.
    Make sure other social platforms never see the light of day.90% complete.

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  38. Scott O Avatar

    Frisch 2:44 – “Perhaps we could have done better if we had been rational instead of Covid being treated like just another political event by President Trump.”
    Yes Steve – Trump prevented all the mayors and governors in our nation from being rational.
    Whatever that was.
    After a year of the leftys providing zero ideas of exactly what Trump was supposed to do, they now duck the obvious lie that the Dems and their lackys in the press spread for months. Biden would would save us with that rational science-cy stuff.
    And now Biden admits he can’t do shit.
    Steve again: “BTW, I remember several here laughing at my prediction that we would have more than 250,000 dead by the end of the summer last spring.”
    No Steve – I think they were just laughing at you.

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  39. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Yes Steve – Trump prevented all the mayors and governors in our nation from being rational.”
    I wouldn’t sweat it. All the Trump talk is to draw your attention away from the fact that some coalition of corporations and leftists on the ground have gone absolutely mad.
    The tricky thing about COVID is knowing what actually works, which no one but Mr. Frisch and Mr. Emery seems to know.
    I figure it’s always best to see what other polities do and then compare their results…it’s probably best to stick to Western countries since they are more closely matching.
    Looking at https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
    Deaths per 100k:
    Belgium 182
    UK 148
    Liechtenstein (!) 137
    US 128
    France 109
    Sweden 108
    Netherlands 80
    Russia 47
    I’ll be damned if I can say what happened there. No doubt something to do with Trump.

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    re SteveF 318pm – And we’re happy to welcome in Mr Frisch to attest that my commentary arguments represent “twisted logic” – nuff said.

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  41. Scott O Avatar

    George 8:01 – Since Steve claims to know for a fact that your future presentation will involve ‘twisted logic’ while at the same time he is quite obviously ignorant of the content of said presentation, it would seem to me that he has boxed himself into a tiny little hole of prejudice. Apparently he is quite comfortable in that setting.

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  42. Scott O Avatar

    Here’s a good example of what the left doesn’t want to talk about.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
    That’s quite a spread.
    The most striking thing to me is that my adopted state is almost tied with the state I left. Idaho is probably one of the most open states as far as restrictions on personal behavior and public access. You can dine inside of restaurants, most of the schools are holding classes in person full or part time. There is widespread disregard for the rule of wearing a mask and folks openly meet socially with no regard for any sort of cap on the number of persons. CA, meanwhile had a much more severe shutdown and limits on personal behavior.
    But to the hive mind, ignore all of this and just blame Trump.
    I think I’ll save that chart and compare it with one after several months of Biden’s ‘rational and equitable’ tender mercies.

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  43. Walt Avatar

    Team LIB has done run and hid.
    You can’t fight the battle when you keep handing us more ammunition.
    Now.. How bout that dumpster fire of a prezindency you have going there?
    The Liberal (or any other for that matter) has yet to stand up for the mentally deficient placeholder they voted for.
    OK,, how bout sham impeachment 2.0?
    Impeachment is for the REMOVAL of an office holder.. News flash.. Trump is out of office.. How do you remove someone who’s already out? ( AAWwww.. Tough cookies… Not enough votes to convict………AGAIN…) But the frog walk of the butthurt continues.
    Is that LIB logic?

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  44. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “But to the hive mind, ignore all of this and just blame Trump.”
    I like comparing Belgium v. Netherlands (wildly different), and Sweden v. Switzerland (wildly the same).
    It’s funny how intellectually dishonest people can be, blaming Trump for some kind of politicization of COVID (aside from the natural tendency to advertise any good news) while building Biden’s victory on a road of bones from the virus.
    It reminds me of the tendency to blame ‘WHITE SUPREMACISTS’ for nationwide terrorism, after all there were some guys with swastikas at Charlottesville fighting with the jillion Leftists who showed up + 50 or so white guys and gals who got let into the Capitol. At the same time, the amount of Leftist rioting, property destruction, murders at the property destruction are practically uncountable. The blindness built into bias is breathtaking.
    The fedgov is currently screwing it’s courage up to declare WHITE SUPREMACISTS! the primary source of bad doings in the US.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/350?s=1&r=96
    If it was contained to worrying about the coupla dozen people who actually think about blowing up things, I’d say fine. From all accounts what’s really happening is a redefinition of a sizeable part of the population as enemies of the state. Where she stops nobody knows.

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    Bill Tozer

    “From all accounts what’s really happening is a redefinition of a sizeable part of the population as enemies of the state. Where she stops nobody knows.”
    Enemies of the state, eh? Did you say Enemies of the State? That phrase really popped out at me as I just finished reading this essay by Peter Wood, president of the National Association of Scholars.
    The Left doesn’t even know what our State is. The Left has the uncanny ability to blame others for what they themselves are doing. Definition of ‘projection.’ Add transference. Rules for Radicals and that song and dance. Anyway, good morning Scenes and all.
    ‘America Isn’t Make-Believe’
    The 1776 Report demonstrates a more sophisticated grasp of history than that of its critics.
    https://americanmind.org/memo/america-isnt-make-believe/
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    I am reminded of what the late Pat Caddell found in his polling which holds true with me today. To paraphrase what his research told him clearly was that a growing and large segment of folks have the sentiment of
    ‘while there will always be a United States, it may not be “America”.

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  46. Walt Avatar

    Breaking news for “the LIBERAL”..
    MORE executive orders.. “All about your “green” religion.
    Oh.. deep throating unions too.

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    scenes

    1619 Project: A bunch of essays written by some unknown writer who is trying to spin some straw into gold by being edgy. Scarcely anyone has read it. The name has simply become a meme.
    1776 Report: Somewhat smaller. A few essays on founding documents. Scarcely anyone has read it. The name has simply become a meme. Useful for Trump haters to find one more reason to hate the historical United States.
    It’s probably time to divvy the country up. Question: Can it be done in a purely digital sense or do we need proper borders? Where are they? Simply basing it on county voting 1/2 the country lives in some tiny spits of land.

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