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"Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord."  Isaiah 1:18

George Rebane

There’s an ‘open letter to the President’ going around the email circuit beseeching him to invoke the Insurrection Act, activate National Guard and the military to seize ballots and vote computers across the nation, publish all the secret evidence of alleged voting fraud, and essentially proceed toward a redo of the national election under newly prescribed and strict supervision.  The letter was written by two lawyers – Stewart Rhodes and Kellye SoRelle.

Regardless of what we think about the legitimacy of the November election, at this stage of the game I don’t think that carrying out the open letter’s prescriptions is a good idea.  If tried, it will not occur peacefully, and will most certainly give rise to massive civil disturbances that could lead to a civil war.  The problem is that the US has a 250-year history of elections – admittedly some more contended than others – that have in the end been accepted by our citizens with relatively minimal turbulence (e.g. ‘Battle of Athens’).  Because of this, our country has not put in place mechanisms to peacefully contend and correct both statewide and national elections.

Now I believe there’s an 80% chance that nationwide incidents of election fraud, ranging from petty to massive, occurred.  And I also believe that there’s a 50% chance that such fraud, as supported by presented and rejected evidence, would overturn significant election results (e.g. the presidency) if allowed its day in court and found to be true.  But today, we are where we are, and there remain only a few low probability opportunities to change the overwhelmingly accepted election outcomes using in-place processes and procedures.  The enduring problem we shoulder going forward is that, given the polls, there is a significant fraction of Americans who no longer have faith in the manner our elections are conducted (I am one of them.)  So, what to do?

My recommendation is that we join in a bipartisan effort to put in place a comprehensive and transparent set of processes and procedures under which future national (and perhaps also statewide) elections may be contended and corrected in an orderly and peaceful manner.  This would be launched and supervised by a congressional commission with a staffed working group of people with appropriate legal and information systems expertise to devise, develop, and test the resulting federal System for Contending and Correcting Elections (SCCE).

The bipartisan SCCE would prescribe the required legal underpinnings for its field operations, and recommend to Congress any additional supporting legislation needed.  Its working group would publish the how/when/who functions that define such things as SCCE election monitoring mechanisms, election scheduling, means of voting, vetting of franchised voters, accepting and processing reported irregularities, ballot chains of custody, isolating voting machines, standards of identifying and adjudicating fraud, procedures for holding re-elections, and so on.

In the latter case when a re-election is warranted, the SCCE's procedures for the uninterrupted continuance of government in the interval would already be laid out, specifying which elected and appointed officials remain with what duties and powers.  It is not yet clear whether all this can be accomplished through legislation, or will the Constitution need to be amended to handle such interregnum matters.

In any case, this approach of commissioning a SCCE during the relative political quietude between elections would serve our country much better than today’s calls for tanks in the intersections and attack helicopters flying overhead.  And in the worst case, the attempt to launch such an initiative would be very revealing of which organs of the Deep State, which private sector institutions, which corporatists, and which political parties rise to oppose such approaches to restore public confidence in the elections which sustain our democratic republic.

These are my preliminary thoughts on the matter, and I'm sure readers have their own ideas to offer on what, if any, preparations need be made to avoid the now existential travails we continue to suffer from the elections of 2016 and 2020.

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113 responses to “Contending and Correcting Elections”

  1. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 22 December 2020 at 01:10 PM
    Barry, just to be clear I believe that any media outlet that libels a member of the public or a public official should be held accountable, including the WaPo or CNN. The issue is whether or not the report is true, accurate or falls under the fair comment and criticism standard if an opinion piece.
    Posted by: Scott O | 21 December 2020 at 07:05 PM
    “Paul – Sherrod had in fact purposely discriminated against a white farmer. After she realized that the media had picked up the story she then did an “oopsie” and ended up helping the farmer.
    Her speech was part of her CYA for her racist attitude.”
    Scott, your account is total unmitigated bullshit.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firing_of_Shirley_Sherrod
    You can watch the full speech here, Archie.
    https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/shirleysherrodnaacpfreedom.htm

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  2. Walt Avatar

    Oh… Wiki.. Edited for Proggy consumption.
    Frischy must be getting writer’s cramp filling out all the grant forms in preparation(H) for the bastard prezident’s spending spree.
    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/22/graham-if-you-think-the-spending-bill-is-bad-lose-georgia-and-see-what-happens/

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  3. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Any doubt, Stevie, that were the races reversed in 2020 that there would be no mercy shown?
    The Cancel Culture is unforgiving.

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  4. Walt Avatar

    That’s right,, follow Kalif.’s lead.
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/22/new-york-state-andrew-cuomo-automatic-voter-registration/
    Motorvoter NY style.

    The 2020 New York Automatic Voter Registration Act assigns to New York’s Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and other State agencies that directly interact with New York residents the responsibility of working with the State Board of Elections to integrate their agency and voter registration applications, a press release from Governor Cuomo’s office announced.”
    Has everyone got their replacement “real ID’s” for the Kalif. screwup?

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  5. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Walt | 22 December 2020 at 09:06 PM
    Yep, what a crime that we would seek to register all voters and do so with a form of ID…either a DL or a RID that is universally accepted in the US.
    Of course you don’t want people to vote…the higher the numbers the more you lose.

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  6. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Steve. Nobody wants people not to vote. Nobody. That’s a strawman argument. Folks want to be assured that only citizens vote one time and there is absolutely no cheating. In order for our democracy to remain healthy, our elections must be pristine. We can never have another election shitshow like we just had in 2020. If we need to show ID in order to enter a federal building, then it’s completely reasonable and not a burden at all for people to show ID to vote so that we can rest assured that nobody is trying to manipulate our elections. My personal opinion is that election day should be a national holiday and that everybody is required to go to the polls to vote in person with ID (with exceptions for the infirm). I actually like how they dyed the finger of Iraqis after they voted. One person, one vote.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The higher the numbers of illegal voters, the more we all lose, Steve.

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  8. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Gregory. The less election and ballot security, we all as a nation lose. Insecure elections are detrimental to the foundation of our democracy.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    re SteveF 322pm – Over the years such droppings have been regularly inserted in these pages so as to continue the attempt to claim the virtuous high ground with nothing more substantive than red herrings, such as presented here.
    (A red herring is an attack on an argument with what is represented as a fact, but is actually false.)

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  10. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: Barry Pruett | 23 December 2020 at 07:29 AM
    Except of course there was no election shit show in 2020….there is no evidence of any widespread vote fraud…and the entire argument you are premising your case on is a lie.

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  11. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Posted by: George Rebane | 23 December 2020 at 09:20 AM
    “Red herring,”is ironic coming from the guy who titles a post “The Sovietization of California.”

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    SF 1019am
    It sure looks like an election shit show, Steve. Widespread? No… at most, it’s targeted. A handful of states.

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  13. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    Barry — what is even more “detrimental to the foundation of our democracy” is proven secure elections that have been challenged by deranged people with no basis in fact what-so-ever! How many rejected court cases does it take to convince you people of the truth? How many lies can you ignore and still look in a mirror?
    “Nobody wants people not to vote.” another lie put forth by the right. Republicans don’t want people of color to vote, otherwise all of the Republican controlled statehouses wouldn’t implement acts of voter suppression. It is common knowledge that the Republican Party is the minority party and as such, has to suppress voters in order to win. As the last election has adequately demonstrated, high turnout favors Democrats. In seven of the last eight Presidential elections republicans have LOST the popular vote. The only way they can win the Whitehouse is by gaming the antiquated electoral college and the only way to do that is to suppress non-white voters, who typically vote with the Democrats, in key districts in key swing states. That is the reality of the situation.. like it or not.

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  14. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “… what is even more “detrimental to the foundation of our democracy” is proven secure elections that have been challenged by deranged people with no basis in fact what-so-ever! How many rejected court cases does it take to convince you people of the truth? How many lies can you ignore and still look in a mirror?”
    Crossman… you and yours did it for four years with Russia Russia Russia, hobbling the Trump presidency. The “baseless” Russia bogosity.
    How many lies can you stomach?

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    Interesting that EVERYONE of the Left is still ignorant of how the courts dealt with presented evidence of fraud. No court deigned to negate the evidence; ALL cases were denied on the basis of ‘process’. To the Left such rulings negate unexamined evidence, in the same vein in which those of the Left consider their allegations to qualify as evidence.

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  16. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Looks like the weight of lies is going to take Rudy down and likely Trump too:
    Lawyers representing Dominion Voting Systems have told Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani to preserve all records related to their client — and that he faces an “imminent” defamation lawsuit for his smears of the company.
    CNN reports that attorneys Tom Clare and Megan Meier from Clare Locke LLP, this week sent letters to Giuliani and White House counsel Pat Cipollone demanding that they preserve records and communications related to the Trump legal team’s smear campaign against Dominion, which was falsely accused by exiled Trump lawyer Sidney Powell of conspiring with late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez to steal the election.
    https://www.rawstory.com/giuliani-dominion-lawsuit/
    The attorneys also warned Giuliani to stop making “defamatory claims against Dominion” and accused him of conducting a “smear campaign against the company.”
    CNN describes Clare and Meier as “well-known defamation attorneys” and the network speculates that their reputation may have been what spooked Giuliani into putting more explicit distance between the Trump campaign and Powell this week.

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  17. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    I assume the DOJ and FBI examined the “evidence of fraud” as you describe it, and found nothing as expressed in their public statements on the matter.

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Emery has been REAL quiet on THIS. Funny,, when it’s YOUR side doing the whining,,, THAT’S Different!!
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/attorney-marc-elias-leads-democrat-effort-to-overturn-house-race-in-iowas-2nd-district/
    It just more fun to bitch about Trump… Right Emery?

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  19. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    George –EVERYONE of the right is still ignorant of how the courts dealt with presented evidence of fraud.. they dismissed them without comment because there was NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.. unexamined evidence …there was none.. How long can you continue to believe the delusional ranting of fraud? How long can you continue to try and put lipstick on a pig? Your credibility, if there ever was any, is down to zero…
    Greggy– LOL ..”How many lies can you stomach?” apparently not as many as you can. What is the count on Trump lies up to now 30,000? Perhaps some psychological counseling would help with your delusions.

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  20. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    RXCross. Evidence is examined during trials. How many trials were conducted since the election to sort through the evidence in order to determine whether there was fraud or not? The answer is zero trials. Zero substantive decisions. All decisions were procedural the majority of which were based on the issue of standing. Please show a link to one of the trials that sorted through the evidence. I’ll wait.
    You and Steve are either ignorant of the facts or are intentionally misleading in order to rhetorically support your position. I thought that you guys are supposed to be the smartest guys in the room? 😂😂🇺🇸

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  21. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    “It just more fun to bitch about Trump… Right Emery?”
    Oh Walt, It’s a lot more fun than spending hours extolling Biden’s virtues and policies. Nature abhors a vacuum.
    I do ‘t need no stinking check and they send the money away. Like, what is this for? Those that live by the government’s teet, die by the government’s teet. Kinda of like slavery.
    —————————
    The danger I see here is that because of the one Newsmax story, the Dems and Commies shout out that the WHOLE ball of wax has been debunked, nothing to see here. Stop all inquires intp voting machines, folks.
    And no signature verifications! It’s voter suppression.

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  22. Walt Avatar

    “WE” will tell you what schools to go to.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/23/coronavirus-stimulus-package-specifically-blocks-school-choice/
    Well HELL!!!,,,, Just pass the bong in class while your at it.
    The more stupid the kid the better.. That’s how LIBS get them to vote for them.

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  23. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Come on Barry you know that evidence is collected and used as a basis for arrests and indictments after they are presented to the AG or locally the District of Attorney . Then there are trials etc. You know that. The evidence was examined by DOJ and FBI and they determined there was no need to continue at this time.

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  24. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    Barry — I think you are supposed to be a lawyer..I would think that you might understand that in order to have a trial in the first place there must be sufficient evidence to proceed. It is obvious that at least 49 of the GOP suits did not fulfill that requirement or there would have been a trial. Like people in glass houses you shouldn’t throw the term ignorant around.

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  25. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I am a lawyer. I’m a really good lawyer. And your comment stands all by itself demonstrating how clearly ignorant of the legal system you are.

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  26. D Avatar

    File under: Sue Their “Assets” Off,
    “In an era of brazen political lies, Mr. Mugica (Dominion Voting Systems) has emerged as an unlikely figure with the power to put the genie back in the bottle. Last week, his lawyer sent scathing letters to the Fox News Channel, Newsmax and OAN demanding that they immediately, forcefully clear his company’s name — and that they retain documents for a planned defamation lawsuit. He has, legal experts say, an unusually strong case. And his new lawyer is J. Erik Connolly, who not coincidentally won the largest settlement in the history of American media defamation in 2017, at least $177 million, for a beef producer whose “lean finely textured beef” was described by ABC News as “pink slime.”
    Now, Mr. Connolly’s target is a kind of red slime, the stream of preposterous lies coming from the White House and Republican officials around the country.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/business/media/smartmatic-lawsuit-fox-news-newsmax-oan.html?auth=login-email&login=email

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  27. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Barry
    I would appreciate an explanation of your 12:37 as applied to this situation. Am I wrong in assuming the FBI investigates crimes and the DOJ decides if there should be trials and arrests. Much like locally when the sheriffs dept investigates and the District Attorney determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial.
    In the case of federal voter fraud neither the FBI or BARR felt there was enough evidense for a trial which means there must h ave been some kind of investigation to make that determination.

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  28. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Make that Attorney General (In this case Barr) rather than DOJ

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  29. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Direct quote from Barr
    “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Barr said in an interview with The Associated Press.
    Barr’s comments are some of the sharpest rejections yet from a Cabinet member of Trump’s false and baseless claims of a “rigged” election.
    “There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ‘investigate,’” Barr said.
    “Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations,” he continued. “And those have been run down; they are being run down. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/barr-no-special-counsel-needed-election-fraud-or-hunter-biden-n1251927

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  30. Walt Avatar

    Litigator Pruett. Emery is at TROLL status now. There is no getting through. If you tell him the sky is blue,, he will just ask,, “WHY????” It’s time to stop feeding the TROLL.
    Your better off just putting him in a round room, and telling
    to pee in a corner. You will get better results.

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  31. L Avatar
    L

    Very much looking forward to a suit by Dominion claiming defamation. Good way to have a long look at their machines and system. Paul, not even Sydney Powell alleged that Hugo Chavez conspired with Dominion to rig our 2020 election- or didn’t you hear, Chavez graduated to worm food in 2013, although his legacy is alive in your sentiments.

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  32. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    crossman 1142am
    “Greggy– LOL ..”How many lies can you stomach?” apparently not as many as you can. What is the count on Trump lies up to now 30,000? Perhaps some psychological counseling would help with your delusions.”
    You had to jump completely over the fraud of the previous election… the Russia collusion hoax. Not a shred of evidence, yet it kept dogging Trump until… even now.
    The WaPo list I’ve never seen, as it’s behind the paywall. I suspect you’ve not seen it either. But none of the Trump statements come to the bar set by Obama…
    “President’s weekly address, June 6, 2009: “If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.”
    I like the “falling costs” lie especially … don’t you?
    Most of Trumps “lies” are pure hyperbole. Like saying his favorite color is blue when it’s red.
    https://youtu.be/0D7hFHfLEyk?t=140

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  33. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Paul. How many months did the mueller investigation take?

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  34. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Well Walt you should be happy that I support Trump n his call for $2000 stimulus checks. Should make you happy that I’m coming around to supporting your guy.

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  35. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    Barry 12:37 — Procedural dismissals are the first level and the easiest, quickest, and most efficient way to dismiss frivolous lawsuits, which is just what happened. Why bother when the plaintiffs are clearly just throwing up mud in a failed effort to see what sticks.. in this case Guliani and co. were so incompetent they couldn’t even frame the suits properly enough to get a court to listen to their fraudulent claims in the first place.

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  36. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Read any civil procedure book and then we can have an intellectual conversation about these issues.

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  37. Walt Avatar

    Well look at Emery… For the first time has he EVER liked what Trump has said… and now for wanting to spend money??
    You find that corner in a round room yet?
    Now where is the gripe about your queen of the DAMNED throwing money away in foreign lands?

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  38. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Either way Barry The FBI and Attorney General are on record saying no problem with voter fraud affecting the elections. That’s where we stand as of today.

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  39. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Arguing with you and cross is like arguing with my three year old grandson about why he can’t have a cookie. It takes years to develop these cases. Yet you expect it to be done in three weeks. Lol. Silly people.

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  40. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Am I correct is saying this Barry yes or no?
    “That’s where we stand as of today.”

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  41. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Walt
    I thought you’d be thrilled that I am supporting Trump on this one. You , being a solid Trump supporter, I’m sure you, as a solid Trumpster, support the $2000 proposal for assistance that Trump wants.

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  42. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    I am opposed to the 2,000 dollar checks, other than if someone’s unemployment ran out and the unemployment compensation was due solely to the Chinese spreading their virus. Like, some bird brain working for the Forest Service, who never missed one check, is going to get a nickle??? Screw that. US Forest workers do not deserve anything more than their paycheck.Government employees do not deserve one penny and neither do non-profits and others with their hands out for green energy, retrofitting homes, or Super Trains and bridges to nowhere.
    I am glad there are provisions in the new free money that exclude some who got money earlier. Like, filing of taxes, employed at a certain timeline, 2019 tax returns, etc. At least we still exclude those non-legal foreign Nationals who broke into our country illegally. Like rewarding a thief who broke into your house by offering the thief a hot meal, shower, and guest room. That would be immoral.

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  43. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I asked you a question Paul. How long did the mueller investigation take?
    I’ll wait.

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  44. Walt Avatar

    Hey Jeffy… Yours is a close to empty tomb.
    Now why don’t you go back there and talk to yourself.
    Get me a cup of coffee while your at it.

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  45. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I too am a grammar Nazi, but I have enough sense to keep my shit to myself. Elitist. 😂😂😂🇺🇸

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  46. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Mueller investigation took a coup;e of years Barry but that question is irrelevant to confirming the situation that as of now the Attorney General and FBI have not found evidence of voter fraud that could have changed the election. You apparently supported the Texas appeal to the Supreme court that would have reversed the election based on no evidence at the time.

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  47. Walt Avatar

    The Frisco Kid is getting all uppity. Funny,, I haven’t ever been fired.. How bout you?,,,, O girthy one.

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  48. Walt Avatar

    Speaking of elections,, Repubs make LIBS soil themselves.
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/23/capitol-police-board-democrats-guns/
    A pesky right called the 2ND Amend.

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  49. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Maybe Pelline should watch “it’s a wonderful life.” Good movie of hope and faith.

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