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"Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord."  Isaiah 1:18

George Rebane

There’s an ‘open letter to the President’ going around the email circuit beseeching him to invoke the Insurrection Act, activate National Guard and the military to seize ballots and vote computers across the nation, publish all the secret evidence of alleged voting fraud, and essentially proceed toward a redo of the national election under newly prescribed and strict supervision.  The letter was written by two lawyers – Stewart Rhodes and Kellye SoRelle.

Regardless of what we think about the legitimacy of the November election, at this stage of the game I don’t think that carrying out the open letter’s prescriptions is a good idea.  If tried, it will not occur peacefully, and will most certainly give rise to massive civil disturbances that could lead to a civil war.  The problem is that the US has a 250-year history of elections – admittedly some more contended than others – that have in the end been accepted by our citizens with relatively minimal turbulence (e.g. ‘Battle of Athens’).  Because of this, our country has not put in place mechanisms to peacefully contend and correct both statewide and national elections.

Now I believe there’s an 80% chance that nationwide incidents of election fraud, ranging from petty to massive, occurred.  And I also believe that there’s a 50% chance that such fraud, as supported by presented and rejected evidence, would overturn significant election results (e.g. the presidency) if allowed its day in court and found to be true.  But today, we are where we are, and there remain only a few low probability opportunities to change the overwhelmingly accepted election outcomes using in-place processes and procedures.  The enduring problem we shoulder going forward is that, given the polls, there is a significant fraction of Americans who no longer have faith in the manner our elections are conducted (I am one of them.)  So, what to do?

My recommendation is that we join in a bipartisan effort to put in place a comprehensive and transparent set of processes and procedures under which future national (and perhaps also statewide) elections may be contended and corrected in an orderly and peaceful manner.  This would be launched and supervised by a congressional commission with a staffed working group of people with appropriate legal and information systems expertise to devise, develop, and test the resulting federal System for Contending and Correcting Elections (SCCE).

The bipartisan SCCE would prescribe the required legal underpinnings for its field operations, and recommend to Congress any additional supporting legislation needed.  Its working group would publish the how/when/who functions that define such things as SCCE election monitoring mechanisms, election scheduling, means of voting, vetting of franchised voters, accepting and processing reported irregularities, ballot chains of custody, isolating voting machines, standards of identifying and adjudicating fraud, procedures for holding re-elections, and so on.

In the latter case when a re-election is warranted, the SCCE's procedures for the uninterrupted continuance of government in the interval would already be laid out, specifying which elected and appointed officials remain with what duties and powers.  It is not yet clear whether all this can be accomplished through legislation, or will the Constitution need to be amended to handle such interregnum matters.

In any case, this approach of commissioning a SCCE during the relative political quietude between elections would serve our country much better than today’s calls for tanks in the intersections and attack helicopters flying overhead.  And in the worst case, the attempt to launch such an initiative would be very revealing of which organs of the Deep State, which private sector institutions, which corporatists, and which political parties rise to oppose such approaches to restore public confidence in the elections which sustain our democratic republic.

These are my preliminary thoughts on the matter, and I'm sure readers have their own ideas to offer on what, if any, preparations need be made to avoid the now existential travails we continue to suffer from the elections of 2016 and 2020.

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113 responses to “Contending and Correcting Elections”

  1. Scott O Avatar

    Well, I’m on board but you know how the left and the Dems will react.
    “voter suppression!”
    Not because it does involve that, but because it’s a great trigger phrase for the idiot masses. No evidence or proof needed – just keep screeching it every 30 minutes on all social media and news casts.
    Meanwhile we have the Georgia elections – hang on tight!

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    No. In fact, hell no. No f*cking way.
    Grafting a brand new Federal System for Contending and Correcting Elections onto our constitutional hodgepodge is a non-starter.
    The Congress may refine the instructions to the states on how to conduct elections, and “Paper ballots, voter ID, no unrequested absentee ballots, election day is election day, ballot harvesting is a felony” would solve essentially all of the ills of the last election… and be constitutional… without creating a parallel system for fighting the fights of 2020.

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  3. D Avatar

    Simple solution,
    If you win the popular and electoral college votes – you win!
    If you only win the electoral college – you lose!

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 1213pm – I understand your opposition, but not the constitutionality of your solution. The federal government has no constitutional authority to dictate how the states may conduct their elections. Since I’m in longtime agreement with your offered solution, I’m now looking for a way to induce the states to come into agreement on such a solution. But as long as the Democrats depend on the urban ghettos and suburban miseducated progressives to guarantee their elected offices, there’s only a snowball’s chance in hell that they’ll agree to a reasonable and fair solution in the several states which are controlled from their dense population centers.
    Only a federal agency that has judicial and congressional backing to investigate and expose election fraud and identify the fraudsters, is in a position to encourage the states to adopt the solution we both deem reasonable and effective. Left to their own devices they will not. But then, my suggestion of a SCCE is also not guaranteed a safe journey through Congress and SCOTUS. So how to proceed without another pass at civil war?
    re D 304pm – Now here we again have a liberal who has no clue as to what problem the country has encountered, and then offering a non-solution to confirm his deficit.

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  5. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George:
    If there is a reevaluation of the way we do elections we need to look at McConnells election as well:
    “BUSTED? Why the numbers behind Mitch McConnell’s re-election don’t add up
    Even as Republicans across the country still insist that the election was rife with fraudulent Democratic votes, no one’s asking how McConnell managed one of the most lopsided landslides of the Nov. 3 election. They should. An investigation of Kentucky voting results by DCReport raises significant questions about the vote tallies in McConnell’s state.
    McConnell racked up huge vote leads in traditionally Democratic strongholds, including counties that he had never before carried.
    There were wide, unexplained discrepancies between the vote counts for presidential candidates and down-ballot candidates.
    Significant anomalies exist in the state’s voter records. Forty percent of the state’s counties carry more voters on their rolls than voting-age citizens.
    Kentucky and many other states using vote tabulation machines made by Election Systems & Software all reported down-ballot race results at significant odds with pre-election polls.
    Here’s the whole story
    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/why-the-numbers-behind-mitch-mcconnells-re-election-dont-add-up/

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  6. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Section. 4.
    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

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  7. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 358pm
    Shirley, you jest.
    Rawstory… a’gin?

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  8. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Did you read the story Gregory? Raw Story is certainly better than Breitbart which has zero integrity which is quoted over and over on this ste.

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    Gregory 432pm – Thanks Gregory, your point is supported. But do you really think that Congress stepping in to break a 250-year silence on prescribing a uniform method of states’ elections is easier than to create a unified federal approach to detecting and prosecuting election fraud, thereby inducing proper behavior by the several states as they continue implementing their own procedures?
    PaulE 520pm – you really ought to give up crucifying messengers and see if you can actually prove that their message erred, thereby giving your now empty charges some substance. Show us where Breitbart erred. And here’s what your messengers actually do, as they give us harbingers of what our country will be like when your side gains absolute power.
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/youtube-removes-trump-lawyers-opening-statement-from-senate-committee-hearing_3626087.html

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Rawstory isn’t a legitimate news organization Punch, and you haven’t found me quoting Breitbart often, have you?
    There’s a reason you keep dipping into the Rawstory well. Are you self aware enough to tell us why?

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  11. Walt Avatar

    Gregory… It ain’t called “raw sewage” for nothing.

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  12. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George, Gregory
    Here’s a little historical perspective on Breitbart
    Breitbart was founded by historic slimer Andrew Breitbart before being taken over by accused crook Steve Bannon. Last August he was arrested with three three others and were charged with mail fraud and money laundering in connection to the We Build the Wall campaign. He has pleaded not guilty and will stand trial in May. In November his Twitter account was permanently suspended after he suggested that Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray should be beheaded. He was kind of the Rasputin of the Trump White House before he was banished.
    I thoroughly expect Trump will pardon him.

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  13. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Which has what to do with the news aggregation from other sources @734 which is most of their content?
    😉

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 734pm – I guess you didn’t understand my 527pm.

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  15. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George, Gregory
    I noted the kind of ilk that have run and shaped Breitbart and I assume the integrity of the publication reflects the quality of those who started and have run it. If you or Gregory give me some background as to why you feel Raw Story is not a legitimate news source based on the founders and leadership I’ll gladly check it out.

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  16. Scott O Avatar

    Paul “…and I assume the integrity of the publication reflects the quality of those who started and have run it.”
    First you claim something as fact and then you admit it’s only an assumption.
    You also admit you are basing your current assessment of Breitbart on people that haven’t had anything to do with Breitbart for years.
    Go now to Breitbart and report back on what is false.
    Can’t?
    Didn’t think so.
    You might find facts that don’t confirm your altered reality.

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  17. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Legitimate news
    Political advocacy
    Choose one
    Andrew Breitbart was an ok guy. An advocate. A different pov than you, punch, and you still hate him. Your loss.

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  18. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Punchy brought up an interesting scenario. Can a President pardon someone who has not been tried or convicted of a crime? You can’t indemnify a person from future acts, can you? Mark Levin would know that answer in 10 seconds. But, since he ain’t here, anybody know. Maybe Bannon could be pardoned since he has been charged, or do you need a conviction? Why pardon someone who has not been to trial.
    Bannon goes to trial in May, Trump apparently out of office in Jan. So pardon in advance of a conviction?
    Punchy sez: “He [Steve Bannon] has pleaded not guilty and will stand trial in May.” Blah blah, blah….
    “I thoroughly expect Trump will pardon him.”
    Or…..pardon him for getting the boot from Twitter?

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  19. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 845pm
    Here you go,Paul… this is the guy with the sterling reputation you stand up for:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_K._Byrne#Outing_of_political_figures
    Slimy bastard.

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  20. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Emery?…
    Emery?…
    Emery?…
    Emery?…
    Emery?…
    Emery?…

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  21. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Two links … not connected to anything being discussed here?

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  22. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Brush up on your reading comprehension skills Gregory…
    From George’s original post: “The letter was written by two lawyers – Stewart Rhodes and Kellye SoRelle.”
    The links relate directly to the two authors of the letter calling for invoking the Insurrection Act.

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  23. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Aaaaah, so your claim is the authors were wrong once so they can’t ever be trusted ever a’gin?

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Gregory
    Gregory
    Any federal indictments or pending trials for John K. Byrne?

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    The election solution is simple. The states must allow observers and audits and be totally transparent. No need to change anything else.

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  26. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy punchy punchy…
    No conviction, he’s innocent… until proven guilty. Yes?
    And Andrew Breitbart. the dead guy you smeared… what was his crime?
    john byrne, your hero founder and CEO of RawStory, is a known sleazebag who outed gay people who didn’t want to be outed. True?

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Check this out and let me hear the cheers. 18 minutes on RUMBLE
    https://rumble.com/vbngzz-election-2020-the-true-invisible-enemy.html

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  28. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    Hey George..one pf your favorite sources of misinformation is having to walk back its groundless claims that electronic voting system companies Smartmatic and Dominion were involved in some kind of nefarious attempt to steal the election. Contrary to Newmax claims passed on via social media and the Trump people, the walkback in part stated that “Neither Dominion nor Smartmatic has any relationship with George Soros. Smartmatic is a U.S. company and not owned by the Venezuelan government, Hugo Chavez or any foreign official or entity.” So much for that pile of crap along with every other bogus claim of election fraud that you and yours so staunchly believe is true.

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  29. D Avatar

    RX, You would have to be a Trumpkin to believe that Soros was connected, oh yeah.
    And Smartmatic only had equipment in LA, but they were somehow part of the swing states that cheated.

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  30. RXCross Avatar
    RXCross

    D — There are two kinds of reality…truth and the world according to the trumpanzies..

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  31. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Gregory
    Not a peep from you when various RR’s chime in about Hillary to “Lock her up”
    Breitbart was a sleazy journalist suid several times including this one:
    “In 2011, Breitbart and one of his editors Larry O’Connor were sued for defamation by Shirley Sherrod, who had been fired after Breitbart posted a video of a speech given by Sherrod. The video had been selectively edited to suggest that she had purposely discriminated against a white farmer, while in reality the unedited video told the story of how she had helped that farmer”
    https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/breitbart-sherrod-near-libel-settlement-209824

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  32. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    So the lies are being revealed by Newsmax and Fox:
    Newsmax, a far-right news network that routinely peddles baseless conspiracy theories that favor Donald Trump, over the weekend began airing a lengthy clarification of its coverage about voter fraud in the presidential election.
    In a nearly two-minute statement that is being read on all Newsmax shows, the channel is essentially walking back its own groundless claims that electronic voting system companies Smartmatic and Dominion were involved in some kind of nefarious attempt to steal the election.
    “There are several facts our viewers and readers should be aware,” host John Tabacco said on Monday, before debunking a long list of conspiratorial claims.
    “Neither Dominion nor Smartmatic has any relationship with George Soros. Smartmatic is a U.S. company and not owned by the Venezuelan government, Hugo Chavez or any foreign official or entity. Smartmatic states it has no operations in Venezuela,” he continued.
    More here:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/newsmax-smartmatic-fox-news_n_5fe108e8c5b60d416344f057

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  33. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – Sherrod had in fact purposely discriminated against a white farmer. After she realized that the media had picked up the story she then did an “oopsie” and ended up helping the farmer.
    Her speech was part of her CYA for her racist attitude.

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  34. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 652pm – How in your wildest dream does that recounting of relationships have anything to do with the allegations (evidence?) that the companies were involved in election fraud? Is this another dish of liberal logic?

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Here we go again with “unnamed sources”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/feds-have-discussed-making-legal-request-giuliani-s-electronic-communications-n1250714
    Will Emery tell us how attorney client privilege has no bearing?.. I’m sure he has a law deg. to go along with his MED. degrees.

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  36. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    Once again here is the situation expressed by Trumps favorite news service Newsmax whom you have also spoken favorably about. The link is from 6:52.
    “the channel is essentially walking back its own groundless claims that electronic voting system companies Smartmatic and Dominion were involved in some kind of nefarious attempt to steal the election.”
    You spouted the connection with Dominion yourself as possibly being involved in altering the vote. They have refuted that claim from their perspective. It’s also was part of the “evidence” in several lawsuits including the failed Texas effort.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Nothing like being tarred with that nasty ole Broadbrush, eh?
    Bill Tozer
    Well, at least Newsmax walked it back. I am still waiting for the Russian Collusion Hoax and the Spy-Gate deniers to begin to commence to start walking it back.
    While I did not read the Newsmax piece, it was all over my sites that “hold the presses boys, somebody got that story wrong….and immediately, that day or hours latter We don’t sweep it under the rug, at least truth seekers don’t.
    I confess that I don’t read Breitbart. Don’t need to. They come out with some good stuff all the time and I can most surely rely on Brother Walt and Cousin Don will let us know what’s going on over there. Same with Daily Caller. Wallt is on top on it and Dr. Rebane is on top of the Daily Signal.
    I like the Daily Wire, but DAMN! ‘They’ have gone ape throttling back on the Daily Wire much more AFTER the election than even before. Like, the gloves are off and the Tech Giants are grabbing Shapiro by the throat and shaking his head violently while digging their thumbs in his air passage in a fevered attempt to choke him to death. He gets blocked every few hours now. Don’t know how long I will able to post a link from the Daily Wire. Half the time I can’t, recently. And great stories too. Lately, sometimes I can only see the articles’ headlines, but can’t open a link, any link. Maybe it’s a coincidence, maybe the Matrix is not perfect, maybe it’s working the bugs out since leaving S Cal in his rear view mirror and setting up shop in Nashville, Tennessee. A born and raised North Hollywood Jew in Tennessee, lol. Or maybe is time to jump to Parlor so I don’t have to live living on dialup. Just that site. Buchanan got axed for awhile for his historical account of Joe Biden’s foreign policy neo-con war mongering ways, shitting on our allies and kissing the asses of our enemies. Opps, off topic.
    Anyway, I remember once reading that Briethbyrt issued a Mea Culpa. We t across the wires. So, I went over and checked it out. Sure enough, there was a front page lead story apology starting they got that one wrong in bold print and what exactly they got wrong with no minced CYA words. Included a link to the old article as well as below the “We Blew It” was a rewritten new article on the story with everything factual correct. That was 4 hours AFTER the original story.
    Oh, sometimes the NYT will walk back a story four days later, buried on the bottom of the third column on A-17 or A-19-23. And no apology. The story “has been updated”
    And da Wa Compost? They are getting better at fussing up to their mistakes on certain occasions when enough backlash hits them in the face. However, there are a few, just a little handful, of grievous totally ‘blew the stories” that wrongly slimed us righties for days on in and to this hour, of you read the comment section in the Union.
    The Washington Farting Post will not, no way, no how, even broach the subject. Need I mention not even issuing an acknowledgment of being human and getting the story wrong and copping to fact their lead MAJOR HEADLINE SCREAMING stories were all made out of thin air. I know, they are only human. But sometimes you gotta wonder if those kind of humans have souls at all, or did they just temporary lose them. Pity the lost scarecrow souls, thinking they have a brain.
    So, Newsmax got one wrong, eh. Darn, I thought they walked on water like CNN, the NYT, Wa Compost, and Raw Deal. How come nobody is reading the Huntington PMS Post anymore?

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 820pm – Regardless of how it eventually falls out, at least Newsmax was upright enough change their report when they received new information – i.e. they then changed their mind. There is not a even a hint of any of the lamestream channels doing that after years upon years of promoting big lies to the American public. Rejoice that you’ve found at least one outlet that has the courage to correct itself when it thinks the facts warrant.

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 645pm
    “Not a peep from you when various RR’s chime in about Hillary to “Lock her up””
    I’m not going to take your job here… you’re the turd in this punchbowl,Punch, and we weren’t discussing Hillary. The subject is your sliming of A. Breitbart and S. Bannon

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  40. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    No sliming of Bannon, Gregory. It’s a fact he’s been arrested and is scheduled for trian in March. Breitbarts record of enhancing “facts” is established and has been for years.

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  41. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – ” Breitbarts record of enhancing “facts” is established and has been for years.”
    In other words, Paul can’t find anything wrong with BB beyond the fact that he doesn’t like their worldview.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Since Emery is a Queen and country kind of guy,, he must surely approve.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/12/22/exclusive-video-this-is-fascism-london-mayoral-candidate-faces-off-lockdown-cops/
    “London Assembly Member David Kurten was questioned by police while giving an interview to Breitbart News, in which he characterised Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s response to the coronavirus as fascistic.
    During an anti-lockdown protest on Saturday, London mayoral candidate David Kurten told Breitbart London that “riot” police came in to bust up a group of people surrounding him for supposedly breaching the city’s lockdown rules.”
    It ain’t called “Londonstan” for nothing.

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  43. D Avatar

    We finally have the proof! Case closed!
    “Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, accusing a Republican of pretending to be his dead mom to vote for Trump”
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/officials-finally-found-case-dead-225210492.html

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  44. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    I don’t think it is “sliming A. Breitbart” to point out that his publication libeled a public servant and that they eventually paid a settlement in that libel suit rather than go to court.
    https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/6066-sherrod-settles-lawsuit-over-breitbart-video-that-got-her-fired-from-usda
    Nor is it “sliming” S. Bannon to point out that he is facing criminal fraud charges for defrauding veterans. (of course he also recently called for beheading some public officials too, so I found an article that covers both at one ironic fell swoop.)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/11/06/lawyers-wont-represent-steve-bannon-in-criminal-fraud-case-after-his-shocking-video/?sh=3c0c193b8fc3

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  45. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Same with CNN and WaPo to then as well yes? See sandmann…

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