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George Rebane

With major ongoing national issues, I’m starting what would appear to be bespoke issue-dedicated sandboxes.  Let’s see how well/long this works out.

A reader sent me a link that supports arguments I and others here have made as to why the US has its reported Covid case and mortality numbers.  The Left has effectively screamed all summer long and into the fall that these were due to President Trump’s mishandling of the nation’s C19 response program.  Well, they were wrong on multiple accounts, but with the lamestream’s help, this continuously broadcast message convinced enough people to give us the currently reported and contested election results.

The actual reason for the difficulty in reducing our numbers to that of smaller, more culturally cohesive countries is that we are a large polyglot nation, now highly polarized, and of many cultures, ethnicities, and political persuasions.  Belgium, a much smaller nation of 11M, but otherwise similarly afflicted also demonstrates even higher C19 rates (more here and H/T to reader).  And it doesn’t look like this level of America’s ignorance will be surmounted any time soon – especially now that K-12 schools are starting to embrace ‘critical race theory’ big time.

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110 responses to “Covid Related – 11dec20”

  1. L Avatar
    L

    That’s a tragedy next to which a small fraction of slightly premature deaths fades to nothing.

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  2. D Avatar

    So, let me get this straight, when you see 40 foot refrigerated trailers being dropped off at hospitals as mobile morgues and are receiving orders of a thousand body bags, that is a normal flu season, do I have that right?

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    D 254pm – What you’re having a problem with is the normal (non-pandemic) distribution of annual deaths, and deaths focused into surges by a single malady.

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  4. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Remember that big Naval Hospital sailing up the Hudson River just one week after Reechard Maddcow said it impossible to have a hospital ship ready and one site within a month? Impossible! Trump was lying again. The Naval Hospital sailed right up the Hudson over her right shoulder as she was clutching her pearls. WTF is that??!!?, lol. What, the ship served 27 patients before sailing back…..not needed.
    Remember the Army Reserves and Army Corps of Engineers set up the Jarvis Center Hospital with those big medic MASH tents in a NY parking area? Set up to serve 2,000 non-C-19 patients? After a week, they pulled up stakes. Not necessary, served about 7 people the last couple of days, lol.
    Remember this weekend when the news broke about a gun fight that left two folks dead. The autopsy of the two deceased with bullets In the. found both tested positive for C-19, so add two more to the COVID deaths list.
    Funny, we usually have 50,000 dead from the annual flu. This year the flu deaths are way down. What’s up with dat? Year after year we have tens of thousands die from the flu bug, but not this year. Reason? Any respiratory illness/bug easing to death is now categorized as COVID because COVID is a respiratory virus. Like of like phenomena, except antibiotics don’t work. It’s a respiratory for the bean counters. One COVID-19 death here, one C-19 death here, and sure enough the flu bug goes away.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    C-19 related. Petticoat Junction here we come. Rural America is the preferred place to be. Just ask the wealthy and the remote workers. No more Big City Blues.
    ‘What’s With the Flight From Our Cities?’
    Urban unrest and COVID caused many Americans to weigh the benefits of the big city against the small town.
    “A recent study by a “location analytics company” called Unacast estimated that the New York metro area had an outflow of 3.57 million people, which seems extremely high. However, they also estimated an inflow of 3.5 million people, leaving a net loss of 70,000 based on opt-in smartphone data.
    Perhaps more important to this narrative, though, was the study’s estimate of $34 billion of net income loss for the city. Simply put: Those who were moving out were more well-off financially than those who were coming in. (Other anecdotal data on year-over-year rents this past fall supports that theory, too.) And while they weren’t going too far — nearly half simply relocated to other areas of New York and New Jersey — the fact that they’d left the city behind meant they were no longer contributing to its tax base.
    While this study by Unacast was a clever way to bring attention to itself, it also brought up a salient point echoed in other circles: The bright lights of our big cities seem to have dimmed lately.
    Perhaps the primary reason for this exodus was the COVID-induced worker repositioning that companies were forced to make in order to keep their employees healthy. Once workers became more accustomed to doing their jobs from home, many realized that there was no reason to remain in an urban area being hollowed out by pandemic-induced closings of bars, restaurants, sports venues, and other popular gathering spots. As long as they had a reasonable Internet connection, there was nothing wrong with relocating to a second-tier large city like Syracuse or Scranton. And while rents are plummeting in midtown Manhattan — much to the chagrin of developers and government alike — they’re going in the opposite direction in the second-tier cities that have needed this sort of break for awhile.
    However, libertarian author Kristin Tate takes the economic reasoning farther. “It is easy to blame the deluge on the coronavirus, but in reality a unique combination of factors heralded the end of the growth in places like New York while introducing population booms in medium-sized cities and suburbs across specific regions of the country,” she writes, adding to the blame, “a plethora of new taxes and regulatory schemes that soak middle- and high-income earners.” Thus, she concludes, “The decline of liberal cities in blue states during a crisis is perhaps the clearest judgment on a raft of poor tax and regulatory policies.”
    https://patriotpost.us/articles/76558-whats-with-the-flight-from-our-cities-2020-12-18?

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    DonB 658pm – The Democrats were the force behind early 20th century love of eugenics that included encouraging the disposal of those people who would taint our species. As we heard tonight, the collectivists are at it again – all for the ‘common good’ as always. They are evil by their word and deed.

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  7. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    Do you have some documentation for you’re 9:01 that I could read. that’s a new one for me.

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  8. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Nothing like waving the pony tail of ignorance flag @921, check out Margert Sanger planned parenthood –
    😉

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 921pm – google ‘eugenics’

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  10. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    Didn’t take long to find that the the 1924 Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics was sponsored by two conservative Republicans, Albert Johnson (R-WA) and David Reed (R-PA) and signed into law by Republican president Calvin Coolidge.
    Google their names with eugenics
    Also this:
    https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2019/03/06/eugenics-and-republicans-what-dinesh-dsouza-should-learn-from-history/

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  11. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    But Paul Emery, wasn’t Margaret Sanger the [erson that actually practiced eugenics? And she created Planned Parenthood, your favorite place.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 838am – citing that law as dismissing progressives’ promotion of eugenics is a stretch by any measure – try to do better. And it looks like Throck Morton has neither read D’Souza nor studied his history. The leading practitioners of eugenics were, then as now, collectivists. What you and your fellow socialists miss today is that eugenics is a ruthlessly utilitarian social theory. Read America’s history of eugenics here –
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    NYC says 1% of C-19 cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. Shut er down! Junk science says “shut ‘ er down, get ‘er done.” If one person is vulnerable, we are all vulnerable.
    NY puts indoor restaurant spread of covid-19 at a little over 1% What do we really think the share of outdoor spread is? .001%? Less? Zero?
    ———————-
    CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (141)
    “Olson notes that only 2 percent of cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. What data support the current shutdown regime?”….
    POSTED ON DECEMBER 19, 2020 BY SCOTT JOHNSON IN CORONAVIRUS, MEDIA, MINNESOTA
    CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (141)
    The Minnesota Department of Health held its final press briefing of the week yesterday. While most of the briefing was devoted to vaccine distribution, the first question (from Jeremy Olson) addressed the the shutdown of indoor service at bars and restaurants throughout the state. I have posted the audio below. Olson’s question comes at about 12:00.
    Olson’s question is premised in part on the obvious recession of the current wave of the epidemic in Minnesota. In fact, this wave of the epidemic has receded throughout the Upper Midwest regardless of the approach taken by the states (tweet below). Kevin Roche has more data on this point here.
    Olson notes that only 2 percent of cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. What data support the current shutdown regime?
    MDH Commissioner Malcolm and Infectious Disease Division Director Kris Ehresmann both take stabs at an answer. Ehresmann more or less concedes that they don’t have data specific to bars and restaurants to support the shutdown. On this point, see John Phelan’s excellent Center of the American Experiment post reviewing the data.

    “So where does Ehresmann land? Sturgis! It’s almost funny.
    Ehresmann doesn’t cite the Sturgis data. The MDH report on the Sturgis rally was posted here by the CDC on November 27. Ehresmann is a co-author of the report. Summary:
    Following a 10-day motorcycle rally in South Dakota attended by approximately 460,000 persons, 51 confirmed primary event-associated cases, 21 secondary cases, and five tertiary cases were identified in Minnesota residents. An additional nine likely rally-associated secondary or tertiary cases occurred. Four patients were hospitalized, and one died. Genomic sequencing supported the associations with the motorcycle rally.
    Four of the 86 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized and one died. The study drew the following implications for public health practice:
    The impact of gatherings as a source of virus transmission underscores the importance of reducing the number of attendees at gatherings, using face masks, and encouraging physical distancing to prevent ongoing transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Furthermore, these findings demonstrate the rationale for consistent mitigation measures across states.
    That’s it. Eighty-six Minnesota COVID-19 cases were associated with the South Dakota motorcycle rally that drew a total of 460,000 citizens over the course of the 10-day rally. Conclusion: Avoid “gatherings.” You have got to be kidding me.
    One more point. Bars and restaurants remain open at tribal casinos and at the MSP International Airport. If the closure of bars and restaurants is a matter of life and death, what accounts for the silence of the authorities on this point? They can’t be serious.”
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/coronavirus-in-one-state-141.php
    Follow the silence of science.

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  14. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George, do deny it was the Republicans that proposed and signed the 1924 Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics ( Calvin Coolege)?

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 1232pm – Now where did you get that idea? But what you have yet to do is to connect that legislation with Republicans promoting eugenics.

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  16. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Details are all over the place George if you bother to look. Here’s an example;
    Nearly 100 years ago, Congress passed a restrictive law that cut the overall number of immigrants coming to the United States and put severe limits on those who were let in.
    “Journalist Daniel Okrent says that the eugenics movement — a junk science that stemmed from the belief that certain races and ethnicities were morally and genetically superior to others — informed the Immigration Act of 1924, which restricted entrance to the U.S.
    “Eugenics was used as a primary weapon in the effort to keep Southern and Eastern Europeans out of the country,” Okrent says. “[The eugenics movement] made it a palatable act, because it was based on science or presumed science.”
    Okrent notes the 1924 law drastically cut the number of Jews, Italians, Greeks and Eastern Europeans that could enter the country. Even during World War II, when hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and dying, access remained limited. The limits remained in place until 1965, when the Immigration and Nationality Act ended immigration restrictions based on nationality, ethnicity and race.
    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721371176/eugenics-anti-immigration-laws-of-the-past-still-resonate-today-journalist-says

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  17. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    Just to repeat in 1924 the Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics was sponsored by two conservative Republicans, Albert Johnson (R-WA) and David Reed (R-PA) and signed into law by Republican president Calvin Coolidge.

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  18. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/68-1/s126
    Everything that Paul said was bullshit as usual. The bill was overwhelmingly supported by both houses with more Republicans voting against the bill than Democrats. If you have to go back to 100 years to demonize Republicans, let’s just talk about the Civil War. Who owned all the slaves? That would be Democrats. Who refused to free their slaves and allowed the beginning of the Civil War? That would be Democrats.
    Why are you even trolling 1924 Republicans? It’s just so silly

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Eugenics has to do with “breeding” not immigration.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 325pm – Paul, you are confusing eugenics with the nationalistic racism of the times. When transportation became cheap and facile in the latter part of the 19th century, all developed countries became concerned about immigration from less developed countries that would upset their cultures and economies. And responsive immigration laws, such as the one you cite, were passed.
    Eugenics, on the other hand, is “the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.”
    Early champions of eugenics were almost all collectivists – socialists and progressive ranging from educators like Eugene Debs to artist playwrights like George Bernard Shaw, and also luminaries like early progressivists Theodore Roosevelt, Alexander Graham Bell, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., and many other prominent citizens were outspoken supporters. But the study and practice of eugenics as part of America’s public policy was the main bailiwick of Democrats who were still the unabashed promoters of Jim Crow anti-black racism in the land.

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  21. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Well George we have different facts to justify our opinions. Online it is common knowledge that use the word eugenics in characterizing the 1924 Emigration Act sponsored and supported by the Republicans.

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  22. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Omg. I just went back and read the thread. Are you actually trying to say because a bill was sponsored by a couple of republicans in 1924 regarding immigration that republicans historically support eugenics? It is beyond argument that progressives are and always have been supporters of and advocates for eugenics. George gave you the hall of fame of eugenics above. Did you really not know that? You are espousing not only fake news…that’s fake history. 😂

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  23. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    When I heard the word ‘eugenics’, the first thing that pops in my head is Margaret Sanger, then Auschwitz.
    “Infanticide did not go out of fashion with the advance from savagery to barbarism and civilization. Rather, it became, as in Greece and Rome, a recognized custom with advocates among leaders of thought and action.– Margaret Sanger, Woman and the New Race
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    But I wonder, too, whether these crusaders will train their gaze on one of our nation’s far more serious offenders of racial equality: Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger. She was, after all, a foremost proponent of the eugenics movement — motivated by her particular animus toward poor non-whites — and her campaign to legalize birth control was motivated in large part by her desire to prevent the “unfit” and “feeble-minded” from reproducing.
    After several decades of brushing aside pro-life critiques of its tainted history, Planned Parenthood is now fielding similar complaints from some of its own employees. Just last month, more than 350 current and former staffers of Planned Parenthood’s Greater New York affiliate — along with several hundred donors and volunteers — published an open letter condemning Sanger as “a racist, white woman” and arguing that the organization is guilty of “institutional racism.”
    “We know that Planned Parenthood has a history and a present steeped in white supremacy and we, the staff, are motivated to do the difficult work needed to improve,” the letter added.
    If removing offensive statues is the new norm, perhaps the bust of Sanger in the Smithsonian’s National Portrait Gallery should be the next to go.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/how-long-will-margaret-sanger-last/
    ———
    ‘Remove statues of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder tied to eugenics and racism‘
    How a woman who advocated for the selective breeding of her fellow citizens came to be memorialized with those who built a country is hard to understand.
    For those identifying historical figures with racist roots who should be removed from public view because of their evil histories, Planned Parenthood’s founder, Margaret Sanger, must join that list. In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial “Negro Project,” wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/23/racism-eugenics-margaret-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/
    Ever wonder why 70% of Planned Parenthood’s abortion services are in black neighborhoods? Ever wonder why Planned Parenthood floods the zone in black communities? Guess the other 30% of PP’s clinics are located in other various poor neighborhoods.
    When Margaret Sanger addressed a local charter of the KKK, it was just one Democrat having a conversation with other Democrats. Democrats founded the KKK and marched down Pennsylvania Ave by the thousands with hoods and robes but smiling faces showing right past the disapproving eyes of Calvin Coolidge who turned and REFUSED to watch the parade.
    Eugenics? The Lefties know all about that practice.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    re PaulE 420pm – Methinks Paul has just issued the mea culpa for all his years of clever reasoning, citations, and responses – he’s a devotee of “online it is common knowledge”, that unquestionable fount of reason and truth, goodness and light. I’m willing to forgive him if he promises not to do it again.

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  25. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George, Barry
    The information I provided was just as legitimate as what you claim. There are two indesputable facts. One that the 1924 Emigration was was considered legislation supporting Eugenics and two that it was introduced by Republicans and signed by a Republican President.

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  26. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    Lol Paul. I can give you two undisputed truths as well. The numbers four and six. You are saying 4+6 equals 127. Just because your two facts exist, your conclusion is highly and indisputably of the Mark. 😂😂

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  27. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    Exactly what are you disputing about my facts Barry? That they don’t exist?

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  28. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    There is that comprehension issue again oh great pony tail of ignorance @652

    Hey just like Venezuela –
    https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/12/19/pinkerton-the-covid-class-war-the-liberated-vs-the-locked-down/
    😉

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  29. L Avatar
    L

    Paul, before you publicly soil yourself further, ask yourself which party favors the publicly funded, ongoing slaughter of mostly black infants, and why.
    You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Understood that “fact” is a concept you may not have understood.

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  30. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    I am not disputing your selective facts. I am disputing your ridiculous conclusions. 😂

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  31. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Definitely C-19 related. Interesting article, published in conjunction with the NYT…for those who live for shooting the messenger. Good read on how China operates. Makes me wonder if the China was the mastermind, source, and drumbeat behind referring to the ‘Wuhan Virus’ or ‘China Virus’ as racist speech. Anyway, how China operates. Eerie similarities with our social media and media companies here.
    CORONAVIRUS
    ‘Leaked Documents Show How China’s Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus’
    As the coronavirus spread in China, the government stage-managed what appeared on the domestic internet to make the virus look less severe and the authorities more capable, according to thousands of leaked directives and other files.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/leaked-documents-show-how-chinas-army-of-paid-internet-trolls-helped-censor-the-coronavirus

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Thinking Students Rank Last on the Government School Agenda
    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/thinking-students-rank-last-on-the-government-school-agenda/
    Always a silver lining.

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  33. D Avatar

    You can try to blame it on the Dems, but we see where the problem lies.
    “The COVID relief package is basically a tweaked version of the one proposed by Senate Republicans back in October.
    10/27/2020:
    House Proposal: $2.2 trillion
    White House Proposal: $1.8 trillion
    Senate Proposal: $900 billion
    Today’s Agreement: $900 billion”

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  34. L Avatar
    L

    Keach, why don’t you explain to Paul how that 2.2trillion House proposal gets added to “Trump’s” deficit? You know, National Debt and all…

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  35. Walt Avatar

    But the experts SAID SO!!! The science was settled.(now where in hell did we hear that before?)
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-thanksgiving-surge-didnt-happen/
    “After weeks of warnings, the ‘Thanksgiving Surge’ predicted by health experts who warned against traveling for the holiday is a no show.”
    But they still want to cancel Christmas.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    L,,, The LIB fuzzy math.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    DECEMBER 18, 2020
    Expert tells NY Times: Elderly white people shouldn’t get coronavirus vaccine priority in order to ‘level playing field’ with minorities
    The experts also said teachers shouldn’t get vaccine priority because they’re white
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus-priority-list-nyt-white

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  38. D Avatar

    New Congress Commandment:
    Thou shalt not mock the plague as a hoax for a year and then be first in line to get the vaccine whilst tossing $600 at the peasants and then continue to pretend you’re a ‘good Christian’

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  39. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    They’ve split the next vaccination phase in to 1B and 1C
    Per CDC:
    Folk 75 and older are 1B
    Folk 65 to 74 are 1C, as are some “essential workers ”
    Unclear if comorbid 65 plus are 1B
    Waiting for CA version

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  40. L Avatar
    L

    Keach @ 11:50- I assume you have someone in particular in mind?

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  41. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Keach 1150am
    No one I know has mocked the Wuhan SARS as a hoax.

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  42. Walt Avatar

    Oh NOOooo… Nothing to worry about.. The same damned thing the LIBS and “experts said the first time.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/21/anthony-fauci-doesnt-want-to-restrict-u-k-flights-dont-overreact-to-mutated-coronavirus-strain/
    “Dr. Anthony Fauci, National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director, is warning against “overreacting” to a mutated strain of coronavirus spreading in parts of the United Kingdom and does not yet want restrictions on flights to and from the country.”
    So wait till it’s already here, and all over the place.. Just like before. And Trump took how much crap for shutting off travel the first time? Then even more for not doing it soon enough.

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  43. D Avatar

    And Trumplekins want to recall Newsome,ha!
    Hundreds of Maskless Trumpkins Pack Turning Point USA Party at Mar-a-Lago
    South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe, and Roger Stone were among those who attended the gala, where hundreds flouted Palm Beach COVID-19 measures.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CI-4x_qnbCN/

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    How eugenics ended up on COVID a related, I haven’t a clue. Its probably all Dr. Rebane’s fault. At this point, what difference does it matter anyway. Another inspirational person sent to the guillotine by the Woke Mob. One can NEVER be woke enough.
    TIME’s Harsh Take on Helen Keller: ‘Just Another… Privileged White Person’
    “Leftists fervently complain about how the American History taught in schools is always insufficiently progressive. This week, Time writer Olivia Waxman expressed disgust that students taught about Helen Keller learn about her childhood, and not her activities as a leftist adult activist, co-founding the American Civil Liberties Union, as well as being an early supporter of the NAACP and birth control. She was a member of the Socialist Party and read her Karl Marx.”…
    “[T]o some Black disability rights activists, like Anita Cameron, Helen Keller is not radical at all, ‘just another, despite disabilities, privileged white person,’ and yet another example of history telling the story of privileged white Americans,” TIME reported Tuesday.
    “Critics of Helen Keller cite her writings that reflected the popularity of now-dated eugenics theories and her friendship with one of the movement’s supporters Alexander Graham Bell,” TIME added. “The American Foundation for the Blind archivist Helen Selsdon says Keller ‘moved away from that position.’”
    Conservatives fired back. Mary Vought tweeted: “You’ve got to be kidding me,” said Mary Vought. “The woke mob is now going after Helen Keller for being white. Never mind the advancements she worked to achieve for those with disabilities.” Donald Trump Jr. replied to Vought: “[T]hey’re now canceling Helen Keller for being white. You can’t make this crap up anymore. You can never be woke enough.” Ted Cruz said “INSANE.”
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2020/12/20/times-harsh-take-helen-keller-just-another-privileged-white-person

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