George Rebane
With major ongoing national issues, I’m starting what would appear to be bespoke issue-dedicated sandboxes. Let’s see how well/long this works out.
A reader sent me a link that supports arguments I and others here have made as to why the US has its reported Covid case and mortality numbers. The Left has effectively screamed all summer long and into the fall that these were due to President Trump’s mishandling of the nation’s C19 response program. Well, they were wrong on multiple accounts, but with the lamestream’s help, this continuously broadcast message convinced enough people to give us the currently reported and contested election results.
The actual reason for the difficulty in reducing our numbers to that of smaller, more culturally cohesive countries is that we are a large polyglot nation, now highly polarized, and of many cultures, ethnicities, and political persuasions. Belgium, a much smaller nation of 11M, but otherwise similarly afflicted also demonstrates even higher C19 rates (more here and H/T to reader). And it doesn’t look like this level of America’s ignorance will be surmounted any time soon – especially now that K-12 schools are starting to embrace ‘critical race theory’ big time.
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110 responses to “Covid Related – 11dec20”
The prime mishandling of C19 by trump, was his insistence that masks were not the answer, pretty much all the way into this Fall. Do you hold this same view still? if not, when did you make the switch? I bought my first N95’s in January, 2020.
ak Linda Grondahl
Douglas Keachie and what are the comorbidities involved here? Very important missing information.
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Douglas Keachie
They have aging bodies with the usual afflictions of aging. But Covid is the accelerant that allows the aging bodies’ gremlins to gain the upper hand and kill way sooner, than would have otherwise happen. Are you still serious pretending that Covid is not a prime assassin here? And that when today’s 30 year olds, hit sixty, it will not strike them, just as dead, if it is not exterminated? Needs to be done, especially before it mutates further.
Making numbers look prettier does not bring 300,000 back to life.
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Disagree George – Trump, by his polarizing nature and reluctance to do much if anything to support mask wearing and social distancing; and his repeated macho rantings and ravings against the actual science, his refusal to wear masks, belittling Biden for wearing a mask and social distancing, etc. gave the message to millions of his MAGidiot followers that masks were a vast left wing conspiracy.
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“ravings against the actual science…”
Science?
Like the “scientists” at WHO telling us the virus was not communicable?
Like the people that follow all the rules and still get the virus?
Like the Dems telling us to go out in public and ‘mingle’?
That science?
Keach tells us he bought an N95 in January. So obviously people could take plenty of precautions all on their own without any help whatsoever from the govt. The various governors handled the situation as they saw fit from their perspective.
You leftys claimed that the conservatives and Christians would all die because they followed Trump.
Sorry – didn’t happen.
Blaming all the deaths on Trump is idiotic and based on absolutely no ‘science’ whatsoever.
The people that ended up getting extremely ill or dying that expressed regret for their actions all admit they were warned.
The thing that ends up really pissing off all you bed-wetting leftys is that conservatives tend to be the type of people that acknowledge the information and risks and then take the responsibility for their own actions. I refuse to hide in my house or see our economy wrecked because of a virus that has only a very slightly higher chance of killing me than any of a whole host of dangers in the real world. My wife and I wear a mask in stores and restaurants because they ask us to and we figure it’s no big deal to keep them happy. The risk of transmission through other ways is just as real and often totally ignored. Telling lies about Trump does nothing to help get rid of the virus. The vaccine availability is being ramped up and soon everyone that wants one will get the shots. Trump did many things that were within his legal authority (mainly speeding up the availability of the vaccine) that the left refuses to acknowledge.
I’m sorry all you soy-boys felt like pussies because Trump didn’t like wearing a mask for a while.
Once Biden is in office he can start ordering the convalescent hospitals to start packing in the Covid patients. That’s the ‘science’ that Dems follow.
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The “actual science” has shown standard masks all but useless for protecting the wearer from being infected.
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Scott strikes exactly the right note. We wear masks to comfort our neighbors, not because a N95 offers complete protection- after all, what’s the 95 about?
Blaming the President is not only totally unjustified, considering how little actual power he holds over what the states choose to do, it is also small-minded. The ignorant lefties doing this should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately it’s not an emotion they are capable of holding.
Dr. Rebane did a fine job with his two essays of 2 Dec and 7 Dec explaining why there have been no excess deaths because of Wuflu, but our lefties truly are innumerate on a level that prevents them understaniding the two very, very illuminating charts provided therein. Keach, go back and read both and get over your groundless fears. It makes you even less coherent than usual.
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Hear Cuomo? ” the FED Gov. must provide relief”for bars and business” Oh REALLY??? It’s NOT the FEDS going full Commie
ordering them to close.
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I’ve not purchased an N95 since the pandemic started… real N95s are best left for medical folk.
And blaming Trump for all the deaths attributed to Wuhan SARS is just a convenient handful of crap to fling into the same fan they’ve been flinging it into since Nov. ’16.
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Lockdowns Do Not Slow COVID Spread, Three Studies Show
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/lockdowns-do-not-slow-covid-spread–three-studies-show/
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Better move those social distanci g measures back past 6 pies (Espanol)
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-09/five-minutes-from-20-feet-away-south-korean-study-shows-perils-of-indoor-dining-for-covid-19
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At no point in time can I recall “Lefty’s” opposing the pumping of 26 Billion of USA tax payers moneys into the vaccines. The effort was starting long before Trump tried to claim it as his own personal property. I just wish there had been a concurrent effort to make the N95 or higher rated masks here in the USA, like starting at the same time I purchased mine, which I viewed as a patriotic push to ramp up production. My mask of choice now is the 3M 6000, full face protection with P100 pink and yellow filters plugged in, $24 the pair and $150 for the mask. My daughter has a fellow surgeon who uses the same rig.
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BTW, do not underestimate the reduction in deaths from other causes, due to the amazing amount of sanitizing & social distancing going on.
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11:24 and 11:31 Thanks for the input, Doug. You’ve done what you’ve felt necessary to protect yourself. You didn’t need any help from any govt. The social distancing and hand sanitizing needed absolutely no help from the feds. This confirms what I pointed out months ago. The single biggest way to stay safe (your personal idea of safe) lies with the individual. The govt’s role lies in getting accurate info to the public and speeding up the vaccine production (which Trump did).
Right now the mayors and governors are wrecking our economy by denying people the right to operate their businesses with customers who want to patronize them. You leftys can hide under your beds. No one is stopping you. Please let others have their right to do as they please. No one is forcing you to go to restaurants or barber shops.
I find it fascinating that the left is quick to blame Trump with no proof of what he did was wrong, yet ignore the fact that the Chinese govt lied about the virus and hid what they knew. That’s not ‘patriotism’ – that’s willful blindness caused by TDS. And it doesn’t help us get through this pandemic.
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Keach @ 11:24- Glad you’re ok and have the A-list rig in place. For my part, I’ve achieved an identical result for $0 by avoiding crowds, period. I’ve worn a mask perhaps 10 total hours while at the VA and market, but otherwise not. This respects others fears and no one seems to care what kind of mask people are wearing. To each his own, the good old American way. Obviously helps a ton to be retired.
PT Barnum may have said it best.
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Keach @ 11:31- Here, however, we have to disagree.
AFIK, there is no connection between masking, distancing and sanitizing and the most common causes of death- heart disease, cancer, COPD, accidents, which are down not through being reduced but because their occurrence is being falsely attributed to wuflu.
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And, to what do you attribute the overall decline of mortality through this year (lowest since 2016), as so clearly discussed by Dr. Rebane in his essays of 2 and 7 Dec? By the way, I would sincerely like to hear your opinion on this one…
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L 9:14 – “I would sincerely like to hear your opinion on this one…”
Good luck with that.
I’ve been waiting for months for the TDS set to re-post here the wise and !SCIENTIFIC! things that Trump should have done last January that they posted then.
Biden said that trying to stop the flow of infected people into the US was ‘xenophobic’.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Pelosi told everyone to go down to China town.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/
The left voted for that while lying about what Trump was doing to help fight the pandemic.
Remember – !SCIENCE! tells us that having a bag of chips with your drink keeps you from getting covid and that the TV and movie productions companies are “essential” businesses.
Yeah -essential for the Dems campaign coffers.
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Scott O. At the time of those two events, late February, Trump was calling the whole thing a “Democratic Hoax.” Pelosi and Biden quickly changed their stance, Trump did not, until May 15th, when he was given a simple, slow pitch, which he did endorse. I suspect that there are more medically trained personnel who believe in the efficacy of masks than there are scientists proclaiming global warming is real, as of today, not years old research. The fact that some of you have stated N95 should be reserved for medical personnel kinda proves that you agree.
PS, if my name isn’t spelled out in full, the poster is not me, and never has been. Somebody else, I don’t know who, has been playing with you, for years, apparently.
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L. Overall decline would be a matter of major research into the changing demographics, including possibly a more health aware USA population/ I will look at Rebane’s stuff later.
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Dougie 114pm
First, on your claim never to be posting under a pseudonym, BS. You’ve done that uncounted times. Here at this blog. If you have turned a new leaf, please identify the last time you did it, and what the sock was named.
Second, your claim is BS… According to Snopes, “Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.”
Please, stop being the bloody crazy making wild accusations. Yes, I know everyone you hang with accept it as truth, but it isn’t.
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“I suspect that there are more medically trained personnel who believe in the efficacy of masks than there are scientists proclaiming global warming is real, as of today, not years old research.’
-Dougie 114pm
Dougie, that N95 masks should be left to patient providers has nothing to do with global warming… there aren’t enough N95’s in circulation for the current demand… let alone demand were individuals to start clamoring for them. But the medical staff who would be wearing them are actually expected to work with a patient who is or might be sick with the Wuhan SARS.
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Mortality numbers are where it’s at. The last SARS was more widespread, but less deadly. We all dodged a bullet then. The Administration was flying by the seat of its pants and finally VP Biden (the point man Obama assigned the task to) threw up their hands and gave up contact tracing after over 60 million Americans were infected, according to Ron Kline…VP then Biden’s chief of staff and long time Biden aide. And current chief of staff. :). N1H1 or whatever origin name you give it without saying China. The Congo virus? Swine Flu? Eloba? Anyway…..
“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck,” Klain said last year at a biosecurity summit. “If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”
Klain, who is currently an advisor to the Biden campaign, has since backtracked on his comments, specifying that he was only talking about the challenges in producing enough H1N1 vaccine for the public demand.
In late July 2009, the Obama administration promised there would be enough H1N1 vaccine to immunize 160 million Americans at the beginning of the flu season, but ended up with just 28 million.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/obama-stopped-counting-h1n1-cases-testing
Money Quote:“We did every possible thing wrong… It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history.”
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4902313/user-clip-biden-chief-staff-head-h1n1-response-speaks-truth
None of the above is to minimize the mortality rate we face today from the Wuhan Virus. Air borne virus that is contagious. What I am pointing out is that in every playbook for battle, the plan
goes out the window once the shooting starts from both sides.
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Since mortality rate is the Bottomline, then how come our schools are shut down????? In a state of 40 million there have been zero cases of Covid deaths of student to teacher transmission. In another major metro area (NYT I recall? ) there has been a total of 2 cases believed to been the result of student to teacher transmission. It’s it not even enough to be to make it statistically relevant or show up as a blip on the radar!?!?!?! So, why are our schools closed? What is the death rate of those 50 and under, as are most teachers? What is the rate of transmission from pupil to teacher, with or without death? Hmmm? Anybody? Forget schools. What is the rate of child to adult transmission of C-19?
The good news is that homeschooling has doubled after parents see, some for the first time, what they are teaching our 6 and 7 year olds at school. All circus and zoo animals are mistreated! It’s all man’s fault, we are killing Bambi and Pooh Bear and Tigger too in the 100 acre wood, blah, blah, blah. The kids are falling behind, cannot keep up with Math or English Comprehension, but By Golly, they got taught a week’s worth of Systemic Racism and White Privilege….in the classroom! Open a classroom for that special teaching where parents cannot peek in, like on ZOOM. Oh, the harm we are going to our children by social distancing them from each another.
To top my “outburst” off, there is a growing number of those in academia with PhD’s in education who are advocating making home schooling illegal. One needs to look no farther than the Harvard Review. It’s not for the children, that is for sure. This is one time our task master experts refuse to follow the science.
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BillT 225pm – Actually Mr Tozer, there are very few in education with PhDs, which require an expansion of human knowledge instead of its regurgitation as supplied by Doctorates of Education.
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Dougie 1:14 “Trump was calling the whole thing a “Democratic Hoax.””
Really?
Funny you can’t find the link to prove it. Now, why is that?
” Pelosi and Biden quickly changed their stance,”
Really? Then provide the link to show Biden apologizing to Trump for calling him xenophobic. And the link to show Pelosi apologizing for telling people to mingle with other infected people.
“PS, if my name isn’t spelled out in full, the poster is not me, and never has been. Somebody else, I don’t know who, has been playing with you, for years, apparently.”
Have no idea what you’re talking about, Doug.
So – nice try, Doug, but no cigar.
Back when it mattered, Trump took the initiative to try to do something to alleviate the problem and the Dems made it worse.
Now you want the slow learners to run things.
Great.
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Greg 1:28 – gotta love Snopes. “Despite creating some confusion with his remarks,…”
They just can’t possibly admit the lie about Trump was just a flat out lie.
The only ‘confusion’ was in the minds of the folks at Snopes and maybe a few kids on the short bus.
Good grief.
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SO 521pm
Let’s just say even if Snopes’ people were confused, I wasn’t, and I’ll guess neither were you.
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The AMA has come out with a new recommendation… hydroxychloroquine is safe and effective in the treatment of early stage Wuhan SARS. Ummm… please disregard the old recommendation that was used to tar any MD trying to prescribe it as a quack.
It would be snarky of me to note it was announced onl after the EC win by Biden/Harris.
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And now we await a similar AMA recommendation on the even more persuasive evidence that Ivermectin is both an effective prophylactic and a therapeutic for Covid-19.
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That’s not going to matter to emperor Gavin –
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/bipartisan-group-of-ca-state-lawmakers-call-on-newsom-to-declare-restaurants-essential-during-pandemic
😉
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“ATLANTA — Kyle McGowan, a former chief of staff at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and his deputy, Amanda Campbell, were installed in 2018 as two of the youngest political appointees in the history of the world’s premier public health agency, young Republicans returning to their native Georgia to dream jobs.
But what they witnessed during the coronavirus pandemic this year in the CDC’s leadership suite on the 12-floor headquarters here shook them: Washington’s dismissal of science, the White House’s slow suffocation of the agency’s voice, the meddling in its messages and the siphoning of its budget.
In interviews this fall, the pair decided to go public with their disillusionment: what went wrong, and what they believe needs to be done as the agency girds for what could be a yearslong project of rebuilding its credibility externally while easing ill feelings and self-doubt internally.”
https://news.yahoo.com/hand-grasping-trump-appointees-describe-133636121.html
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Couldn’t let this go till the morning. LOL –
https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-california-strip-clubs-can-remain-open-set-own-coronavirus-rules-judge-says
😉
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Duh 10:19 – The article is about a couple of cry babies who seemed to have a pretty naive understanding of what goes on in a large fed agency. They didn’t always get to have their opinions fawned over so they got upset. They are confusing their opinions with !SCIENCE!.
Sorry – it’s just their opinions. Oh, and it just so happens they have started a new company and it certainly helps to suck up to the new admin by trying to cover for the fact they were career Rs.
Sorry, Duh – there’s no secret info here that would have saved lives.
The public knew all about what they claimed was being censored.
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Maybe this should go under ‘Signs of our a Time’
‘Democratic governor tells people to ‘stay home except for essential activities,’ then is spotted at a wine bar without a mask’
https://www.theblaze.com/news/rhode-island-governor-coronavirus-wine-bar
In other COVID related news, Fauci says to stay away from your children, Christmas is cancelled. Stay away from your children???? My, that is proof positive that Fauci is a Democrat if one ever needed proof.
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So much for science.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-thanksgiving-surge-didnt-happen/
“After weeks of warnings, the ‘Thanksgiving Surge’ predicted by health experts who warned against traveling for the holiday is a no show.
A flight map of the Tuesday before Thanksgiving showed a staggering amount of Americans were traveling for the holiday – something experts and politicians warned against.”
Yet the Marxists running the show close every business that didn’t kiss their ass.
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Ya dont say –
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/17/pennsylvania-coronavirus-cases-rise-despite-months-long-statewide-mask-mandates/
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‘How The Gretch Stole Christmas’
Because the only way to be on the ‘Nice’ list this Christmas is to mask up and avoid your loved ones at all costs.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/17/how-the-gretch-stole-christmas/
Yep, when you hear someone say stay away from your children at Christmad, you can bet your bottom dollar that a Dem said it. It’s not for the children.
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CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (140)
Yesterday Governor Walz rolled out E.O. 20-103 — that’s the 103rd executive order of 2020 — to give citizens their marching orders for the immediate future. If you seek to enjoy a beer outdoors here in the coldest months of the year, as of Saturday you’re golden. If you seek to celebrate Christmas with your family, not so much. The whole thing reeks of the madness of the Central American dictator Esposito in Woody Allen’s Bananas (below). Silence!
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/coronavirus-in-one-state-140.php
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ARE SHUTDOWNS LEADING TO YOUTH SUICIDE?
“They are, according to this article in the Washington Post. And why wouldn’t they be? As a result of shutdowns and lockdowns, teenagers are not going to school, not playing sports, and not hanging out with friends. That’s a formula for depression and, in too many cases, suicide.
The Post’s article, which appears in the sports page, focuses on the denial of opportunities to participate in sports:”
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“The lead researcher of the study at Wisconsin, Tim McGuine, said in an interview in August that “the greatest risk [to student-athletes] is not covid-19. It’s suicide and drug use.”
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I would amend that last statement slightly. In my view, covid-19 poses very little risk to student athletes. The likelihood that a healthy teenager will die from this virus is almost zero. The likelihood that a healthy parent or coach — typically people in their 30s and 40s — will die from the transmission of the virus due to sports outings is also small. Older parents and parents with conditions that put them at risk can hold their kids out of sports. At risk coaches can opt out.
Liberals like to talk about “the kids,” as in “we’re doing it for the kids.” But the liberals’ response to the coronavirus, given the effects of that response on young peoples’ mental health, shows these claims to be self-righteous posturing. I’m not sure for whom they are locking down schools and youth sports — maybe for the teachers’ unions — but it’s certainly not for the kids.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/are-shutdowns-leading-to-youth-suicide.php
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“Donald Trump Sees Your $1,200 Stimulus Checks and Raises You…$600 Checks
COVID-19, which has not only killed more than 287,000 people but millions of jobs and thousands of businesses as well. Not having a job, you see, is bad for people who can’t just drop $30 million on a Miami island and actually have to think about where they’re going to get money to pay for things like shelter and buy stuff like food. It’s extra bad if they happen to live in a country where the government does comparatively little to help people who’ve fallen on hard times and exceedingly bad if that country is the United States, where the president is a cartoonishly evil moron named Donald Trump, who apparently thinks everyone can just get by on possible tax fraud and other financial schemes.”
https://is.gd/4Q70VR
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Covid-19, a,k.a. wuflu, killed about 17,000; the millions of jobs and businesses were slain by Dem guvs with Napoleon complexes. The last sentence describes the Biden crime family to a tee.
If Trump’s taxes were in any way problematic, you’d have heard about it four years ago. Obviously.
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Sure L, Fox News again?
That’s why there are mass graves across the world.
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No, you ignorant slut- look down the page about four articles until you come to a graph. Spend a few minutes (hours if necessary) understanding what the graph says, even read what is said about it. Note the source is the sacred CDC.
Then come back and respout the irrelevancies from 9:56.
BTW, except for the Chinese trying to conceal the original outbreak, I’ve not heard about “mass graves.” this isn’t WWII or yet the communist world.
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That’s why there are mass graves across the world.
Indeed….! Just ask noted progressive luminary Andrew “Grandmother Killer” Cuomo how quickly they fill up!
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re D 956am – another exemplar of leftwing ignorance. Their politically correct lie continues to be embraced and echoed by the grassroots Left that Trump is the cause of all the C19 “mass graves”. As pointed out, not only are there no mass graves, but the C19 deaths have not added to the expected number of deaths anywhere. The death counts follow the established trends and C19 deaths merely substitute for the number of already ‘scheduled deaths’ from other causes. But this truth does not serve the socialists’ narrative.
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Does anyone know what Lar is talking about? Try posting a link, dick.
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George
Assuming your numbers are correct, which is an assumption just for the purposes of conversation, you don’t account for he terrible suffering and isolation that COVID deaths inflict on the patients and their families who cannot be together at the time of death.
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Keach @ 11:04- you don’t need a link to the article on the site you’re visiting, just go back to the RR home page and scroll down to 7 Dec. Simple, no?
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Paul @ 12;50- your complaint is best directed to those that are inflicting the isolation by shutting down our society, i.e. Dims.
And skip the mindless snark, the numbers come from the CDC.
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L
Are you saying that our medical and health care workers don’t need the extra protection that current isolation policies were created to insure?
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PaulE 1250pm – It’s interesting that you’re still suffering under the “assumption” syndrome and not accepting CDC data that contradicts the anti-Trump leftwing narrative. And it seems that you’re not accounting for all the other deaths, morbidities, delayed diagnoses, … that are rampant during lockdowns and quarantines. I’m hoping the post-C19 literature on our insane response will reveal the extent of the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on civilized society.
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Paul @ 1:37- Yes, I’m saying exactly that. Do you need it in all CAPS? Had we done nothing, the wuflu would have harvested the same people it has due to comorbidities, and we’d have achieved herd immunity months ago. It simply isn’t any more dangerous to most people than the annual flu, but we paid a price thousands of times higher, partly to get rid of Trump and partly to accustom the public to the feel of the jack boot on their necks. Might be worth it to you, but not on my planet.
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I don’t even like to think about the damage it has caused to the unfortunates trapped in our system of K-12 education. Try to imagine a future in math having missed all instruction in, say, fractions, or first few months of algebra. The intellectual disciplines that must be mastered one step at a time become impossible when the step between landings are removed.
Presumably the “up and out” system will simply advance all these handicapped and they will never catch up. Only the exceptionally motivated can succeed from where they’ve been left.
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