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George Rebane

President Trump did not pull off a good debate last night.  His biggest mistake was again his motor mouth – he kept interrupting Biden’s long answers in which the man had the best chance to display his faltering mental faculties.  To such welcome interruptions Biden’s response was always a cherubic smile as he sent another ‘Saved again, thank you God’ heavenward.  Hopefully, Trump’s debate coaches Giuliani and Christie will tell him to STFU next time when Bumblebrain is required to give a long answer.

The former VP spent most of his mic time just repeating unsubstantiated lies, the main one being that the president has totally mismanaged the country’s C19 response, and has no plan for it going forward.  No one in the country has had the brains to make him answer as to what he would have done that would have produced markedly different results with his declared penchant to keep the economy locked down.  The second biggest lie was that Obama put him in charge of the country’s economic recovery in 2009, and that singlehandedly he did an outstanding job – talk about the invisible man during those years.  And perhaps the biggest obvious whopper was that the Democrats’ published platform does not back implementing the Green New Deal.  The only benefit that Trump got was Biden being the first to launch ad hominem attacks – “clown”, “racist”, … – against the president.

Then it was Trump who left a lot of strong points and rebuttals on the table – was it poor prep or just his motor mouth getting in the way of considered thought?  He didn’t say anything about creating an economy that delivered the lowest minority (especially black) unemployment rates in living memory.  He didn’t say anything about being the most effective Mideast peacemaker in the last 50 years, and now being internationally nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.  He didn’t effectively rebut the ‘climate change causes wildfires and hurricanes, and the US going green will stop them’.  His proper response would have cited the recent reports by NOAA and the IPCC (also in these pages) stating that neither agency could conclude that climate change has had any effect on the frequency and intensity of both kinds of disasters; that constant repetition of preventable manmade global warming nostrums continue as just politically motivated hysterical hype.

Finally, the president got a fantastic opening from Biden on the latter’s claim that his economic plan, based on green energy, would create 4M new jobs and result in a $1T marginal contribution to GDP.  Since none of these new jobs would provide any benefits that current market-driven technologies already provide, their being mandated through more stifling government regulations and subsidies would actually inhibit economic growth – in short, they would have the same in/effect as  did FDR’s depression era alphabet soup agencies.  Frederic Bastiat explained the whole thing in his easy to understand ‘Broken Window Fallacy’.  This would have been a major rebuttal to the socialists’ perennial approach to building economies, an approach that has failed every time it has been tried – you can’t build an economy with gratuitously created jobs and unnecessary spending.

Hopefully President Trump will do a much better job in Debate2 by letting Bumblebrain bumble, and remembering his list of strong responses.

[Addendum]  At first I decided to leave out evaluation of Chris Wallace’s strictly one-sided performance as the debate’s moderator.  At home we were aghast at how blatantly and asymmetrically Wallace conducted the session, lobbing softballs at Biden and Democratic talking-point gotchas at President Trump. (more here)  Among his many egregious tactics was Wallace preventing Trump from correcting Biden’s continuous stream of obvious lies and indicting innuendos.  This made it clear that the president was debating both Biden and Wallace.  Overall, it was a very unprofessional and somewhat incompetent performance by Fox News’ star leftwing correspondent and host of its Sunday commentary program.

With regard to a better control of debaters talking out of turn and over each other so that no one can understand what either is saying, I am in favor of the moderator having control the debaters’ microphones.  When it’s time for one participant to stop their diatribe and let the other one respond, then just turn on-and-off the appropriate mics.  The mics can also be of the kind, or even baffled, to make them very directional – i.e. they will greatly attenuate sounds that arrive off-axis of their receiving beams.  In Debate1 this would have allowed Wallace to effectively silence Trump, and permit Biden to deliver much longer and more revelatory responses with his usual acumen for extemporaneous public speech.

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91 responses to “Debate1 Reflections (Addended)”

  1. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – ” You are saying he just came up with and used that name not even knowing who they were.”
    No, that isn’t what I wrote.
    Better get the next door neighbor to help you with your reading skills.

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  2. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Thats some great research there oh great pony tail of ignorance –
    Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden unveiled a $2 trillion energy plan Tuesday with a heavy focus on the Green New Deal agenda being pushed by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the far-left flank of his party.
    “There is no more consequential challenge that we must meet in the next decade than the onrushing climate crisis. Left unchecked, it is literally an existential threat to the health of our planet and to our very survival,” said Biden, 77.
    Biden’s announcement comes as the presidential wannabe courts idols on the left of his party including Bronx-Queens Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the hope that they will support him and steer young voters his way in November.
    In May, AOC announced she had been selected to co-chair Biden’s climate change panel along with former Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/14/joe-biden-unveils-his-2t-aoc-fueled-green-new-deal-energy-agenda/
    😉

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  3. Scott O Avatar

    Oh – HIS ‘green new deal’!
    And what would that be?
    Funny how it just appeared at the debate.

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  4. Scott O Avatar

    Sounds like the same old ‘green new deal’ to me.
    And Paul complains about what was spent on the Iraq War.
    Maybe Paul would like to discuss the details of our fed govt throwing trillions at a non-existent problem?
    No – I didn’t think so.

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  5. Scott O Avatar

    Here’s Biden – “I see steel that will be needed for those windmill platforms, towers and ladders which could be made in small manufacturers,” he said. “I see the union-certified men and women who will manufacture and install.”
    Notice that he just says the steel will be needed.
    Things that ‘can be made’ in small manufacturers.
    He didn’t say they will be or what country all this happens in.
    And he doesn’t say what country will provide the ‘union certified’ workers.
    Not union workers but certified.
    Who pays for this?
    Who cares?
    We already know about the good paying jobs in this country that produce energy.
    And Biden wants to get rid of them.
    Nice.

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  6. Walt Avatar

    Gotta elect him to find out what that all is..
    Just like if he would pack the court. “I ain’t say’n. Gotta elect me first.”

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  7. Walt Avatar

    Did Emery hear Trump say this at the debate? Lie’n Biden sure can’t control his bald faced lies… But The liar hating Emery will give him a pass..(again)
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/30/fact-check-joe-biden-claims-trump-told-proud-boys-to-stand-ready-based-on-the-outcome-of-the-election/
    “Joe Biden said President Donald Trump told the “Proud Boys” to “stand ready based on the outcome of the election.”
    You sure know how to pick’m Emery.

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  8. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    George
    What do you think he meant by asking them to “stand ready” ? Perhaps stand reedy for further instructions? And who would give those instructions? This is the core question.

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  9. Scott O Avatar

    Paul – “This is the core question.”
    Can’t you just see this mindless dolt on the sinking Titanic – “Captain, are these musicians going to be paid for overtime? That is the core question!”

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  10. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    A simple question.
    “Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden once again avoided giving a straight answer on whether he would support packing the Supreme Court if elected, after making clear during Tuesday’s debate that he would not address the issue.
    Biden was then asked how Republicans are violating the Constitution.
    “The Constitution says that the American people – I taught constitutional law for over 20 years – says the American people get an opportunity to choose who they want on the Supreme Court by who they pick as their senator and their president,” said Biden, who began teaching classes at Widener University Delaware Law School in 1991.
    The Constitution, which discusses the Supreme Court in Article III, says nothing about the people getting to choose who sits on it. Originally, it did not even say that the public could choose their senators – state legislatures selected them until the 17th Amendment put that power in the hands of the people in 1913.
    “I’m not going to answer the question because the question is, the question is, the question is,” Biden said, before telling the president to “shut up, man.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-deflects-again-court-packing
    The question is, the question is, the question is, wait a minute, it’s coming to me, oh shut up, man.

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  11. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul Emery (as usual):
    “George
    What do you think he meant by asking them to “stand ready” ? Perhaps stand reedy for further instructions? And who would give those instructions? This is the core question.”
    Trump didn’t say that.
    Do you ever research anything at all?

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  12. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    …I also notice that the first series of interruptions is by Joey Fingers.

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  13. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Debate reflections: Quite the list from our crybabies. I liked the countdown to the top two, as well as the top two. Is there nothing Trump cannot do?
    2. Trump Took a “Dump” on Debate
    1. Gross Debate Take: Trump Urinated on Democracy
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2020/10/01/top-12-disgraceful-donald-takes-dump-debate-and-our-democracy
    Exit questions: Why is the media so obsessed with bodily functions? Is it a symptom of TDS?

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Trump meant “stand-down” Pretty simple. Biden says 200 million dead and the media says no big deal. So Trump misspoke.

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  15. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: BillT@9:06AM October 1, 2020
    “Is it a symptom of TDS?”
    I was thinking about that.
    My theory is that the Blue Mob, rather than being clever and/or accurate in a satirical sense, dislikes Trump, traditional America, the traditional West, and you so much that they simply flip to the most vulgar or mean thing to say.
    It depends on the person, everyone has their own vocabulary when they smash a thumb with a hammer (assuming they know how to use a hammer). It’s an automatic emotional response rather than actually descriptive. While everyone will overstate a case, it has become SOP to the US Left.
    So…some subset of Leftish thought leaders specialize in coprologia. Their personal Tourette’s doesn’t allow anything else.

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  16. D Avatar

    “Trump meant “stand-down”, Todd, I did not know you lived in Trump’s head. Are you a Trump whisperer?

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  17. Walt Avatar

    Emery sure must have a soft spot for the LIB vermin spawn
    that roam the streets attacking innocent people and burn, loot, and attack police. With the full backing of LIB politicians.
    You know Emery Mayors that demand catch and release.
    I’m glad the Proud Boys have you wizzing yourself.
    Do agree with everything they say they stand for? Hell no.
    But if the clean the streets of ANTIFA,, that’s good enough for me.
    Now figure this one out O Buzzard,, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
    So Your for MOB rule. WE get it.. Let the better MOB win.
    My money is on the Proud Boys.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    Re Trump to the Proud Boys, “Stand back and stand by.” He didn’t say ‘stand ready’. And the meaning of his admonition of the Proud Boys could range anywhere from ‘Don’t engage the leftwing rioters and just witness the chaos’ to the meaning of Paul Revere’s ‘The British are coming!’
    What is more important to discuss is what the violence that groups like BLM and Antifa beget will draw in response as the cities burn, leftwing politicians tell police to stand down, and as leftwing academics, corporatists, and legislators solidify their characterization of America as a socially unjust, racist, and evil land. They all desire to transform the US into a socialist autocracy that divides its citizens into various aggrieved and aggrieving tribes of various assigned motivations, and then use the might of a very large and encompassing government to pick winners and losers among these identity groups.
    The response by the remainder of Americans will not be a peaceful assenting march into such a dark new world. America is still constituted with a sufficient number of citizens who maintain ‘the spirit of 76’ and are willing to follow the footsteps of their forebears against tyranny. These Americans are spontaneously organizing themselves into various patriotic (in the classical sense) groups that unfortunately spread themselves over a large spectrum of ideologies – some radicalized. The Left recognizes this danger to its agenda and is busy libeling and characterizing some of the more prominent of these rightwing groups like Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as being white supremacists and racists. For example, read this torturous, albeit unsuccessful, attempt by the leftwing Atlantic to tar both these groups.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/right-wing-militias-civil-war/616473/

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    D | 01 October 2020 at 10:22 AM
    Yes he listens to me. LOL!
    I just read the leader of the Proud Boys International is a BLACK MAN! So how can the lamestream say they are a “white supremacist” group? Because as usual, the media rats are lazy and never do any homework to avoid embarrassment. They are morons.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    And where is the resident NTI and BLM lover and supporter? Paul Emery, why do you support them? They want to tear down America”s system and replace it with a dictator. Also, why are you avoiding asking your pal Biden to denounce them? What is up with that. You are just a chicken sh** and phony baloney.

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  21. Barry Pruett Avatar
    Barry Pruett

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/moderator-for-second-presidential-debate-interned-for-biden-worked-for-ted-kennedy
    Sounds fair to me. This joker went to the same journalism school as Pelline and that tells you everything you need to know. And that tells you everything you need to know. Lol. Not a journalist. These guys are advocates.

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  22. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    I got an email from one of my oldest friends, a conservative Republican (as are many of my oldest friends) lawyer, Trump fan. He invited his 11 year old grandson over to his house to watch the debate and cheer on Trump. Here are his exact words,
    ‘I was truly embarrassed by the entire spectacle. My 11-year-old grandson came over to watch it with me and cheer on Trump.
    It was painful to see the President of the United States act like a schoolyard bully. And not answer simple questions. And generally, show his ass. It will be hard to mark my ballot for Trump.”
    He must have seen a different debate than some of you.

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  23. Walt Avatar

    It’s ok Babs, it was rough and tumble cage match. Now don’t forget, your Biden was the first to start the interrupting.
    Trump takes no shit. Biden started the name calling. Need I remind you what?
    It was 2 against 1 Trump shure ain’t going to sit back and take it.
    I didn’t vote for a politician I wanted the street fighter Trump is.
    Now you go right ahead and believe Biden won.. If that’s the case,, then why change the rules to favor Biden?(in theory)
    Your Queen Nan wants Biden to avoid another debate. I wonder why??(LOL)
    Biden got his ass handed to him

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Biden ain’t touching the Court Packing question with a stolen dick. When Wallace asked him point blank, Biden went on a rehearsed rift on vote, vote, vote, vote, lol.
    ‘On Court-Packing, Biden Is Afraid of Losing the Radical Left’——VDH
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/on-court-packing-biden-is-afraid-of-losing-the-radical-left/

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  25. robert Cross Avatar
    robert Cross

    who thinks trump is faking covid so that he can cancel the rest of the debates and avoid making an even bigger fool of himself?

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    robert 1250pm – Would people like you and yours be a good guess?

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  27. robert Cross Avatar
    robert Cross

    George 1:11. — given what liar trump is, I don’t think that supposition is too far out of the question. He will do anything to get re-elected and avoid prison for another 4 years.

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  28. George Rebane Avatar

    robert 158pm – I’ll take that to be a YES.

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  29. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Chew on this crossed one –
    Here is a little something to ruin his afternoon, can you say margin of error? –
    A poll released on Friday shows that the presidential race has swung several points in President Donald Trump’s direction after the debate in Cleveland on Tuesday night.
    The first significant national poll conducted post-debate, by Investor’s Business Daily/TIPP, shows the race has sharply tightened after the chaotic first debate earlier this week. Former Vice President Joe Biden, the Democrat presidential nominee, has seen his lead cut down to just 2.6 percent in the wake of the debate.
    Nationally, Biden only leads Trump by 2.6 percent—48.6 percent to 45.9 percent—in this survey, conducted entirely post-debate on Wednesday and Thursday, September 30 and October 1.
    This post-debate poll represents a three-point swing Trump’s way after the debate—and an even more profound swing in the president’s direction since earlier in September.
    While the poll showed Biden got better reviews from respondents for overall debate performance, more voters shifted to Trump after the debate than shifted to Biden.
    The poll has a fairly large sample size, and a smaller margin of error—3.5 percent—meaning that Biden’s lead is inside that margin of error.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/02/poll-trump-gains-after-debate-as-race-swings-3-points-presidents-way/
    😉
    Posted by: Don Bessee | 02 October 2020 at 02:15 PM

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  30. robert Cross Avatar
    robert Cross

    George 3:03 — Not really.. I am just lampooning you folks while pointing out what a mentally incapacitated person like trumpler might resort to in order to avoid more embarrassment in his more feeble by the minute attempts to avoid the criminal indictments that await him when he leaves office.

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    robert 326pm – well then, lampoon away. But you might consider that you have a well established persona in these pages, so what may seem like a lampoon when you launch it, the same will be received quite differently when it lands.
    But you’ve opened up an allegation of “criminal indictments” awaiting the former president Trump. You no doubt can point us to a substantiated list of these. Or are you still lampooning?

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  32. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The Bobbie Sue’s of the world. Or should I say, the Karens of the World.
    MSNBC’s Joy Reid suggests Trump is faking COVID diagnosis to ‘get out of the debates’
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-trump-coronavirus-faking
    ——-
    The Enemy of the People today was saying today that you cannot trust the White House concerning any reports of the President and Melania’s C-19 condition and, of course, Trump is faking it to take over the government. Then, in the next breath, they say Trump should step aside because of the condition of his health, citing the 25 Amendment.
    I am confused. The Lamestream media says Trump is faking it to get out of the debates and also say Trump condition is soooo dire that the 25 Amendment is in order. He’s sick, he is not. Trump is faking, Trump’s health is in dire straights.
    Hmmmm. Wasn’t it the same shit for brains Roberta Cross who said Trump was going to declare martial law on July 4th and surround the Capital with troops carry out his coup?

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  33. Robert Cross Avatar
    Robert Cross

    George 3:41 — multiple legal scholars have expressed the opinion that Trump’s tax issues and, especially, the consulting fees paid to Ivanka (the trump soho case) that were deducted despite the fact that she was already on the payroll, could result in tax fraud indictments for both of them. The New York case, where the Supreme Court has ruled that the prosecutors can access Trump’s financial records, is another and portends the possibility of even more.
    I am surprised you don’t know of these developments.
    Bill 7:53–“Wasn’t it the same shit for brains Roberta Cross who said Trump was going to declare martial law on July 4th and surround the Capital with troops carry out his coup?” NO.. wrong shit for brains.. shit for brains.. .. I am sorry you suffer From Dunning-Kruger.. Perhaps you should talk to a mental health expert about your condition.

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  34. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Well Roberta, if you weren’t the shit for brains that talked about Trump rolling tanks down Pennsylvania Ave and planning to declare martial law prior to a previous 4th of July, then who exactly was the shit for brains that came up with that crazy lefty talking point? Man, whoever it was, a shit for brains like that should be on Lamestream media.
    It wasn’t Punchy, it wasn’t AV Man, it wasn’t the racist Steve from Truckee, and it was not you, then who? Do you remember Bobbie Sue? Who ever that loony tune is, the best part of his daddy ran down his momma’s legs. Just like you. Maybe it was Linda.

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  35. George Rebane Avatar

    RobertC 1126am – since you weren’t able to cite any prosecutors who have stated their intent to indict Trump, and just piled on more allegations, I take that to be more lampooning on your part.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Inform the IRS Babs,,, THink they would give Trump a pass??
    Sure thing LOL!!

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  37. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Looks like de ja vue all over again –
    The poll’s margin of error is 3.2 percent, indicating the two candidates are statistically tied.
    The same poll showed Biden leading Trump by six points on August 29, 48 to 42 percent, and seven points on July 8, 49 to 42 percent. Biden’s now two-point lead reveals a tightening race.
    “Contrary to my own observations, it looks like the President has not been hurt by his debate performance nor his hospitalization,” pollster John Zogby observed, adding that Trump’s 47 percent support is one point higher than it was in 2016.
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/10/03/poll-trump-biden-virtually-tied-after-presidents-coronavirus-diagnosis-debate/
    😉

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  38. Scott O Avatar

    Poor Booby X – reduced to admitting that he needs to fabricate imagined crimes by Trump.
    First he gets all excited about an email from his Republican friend who tells him he’s going to vote for Trump. Oh, my!
    Then he claims there are some Trump haters that without the ability to actually study the entire issue have declared that some one else who hates Trump might indict him! And a ham sandwich, apparently.
    Then in his 3:26 he admits he’s just full of BS and he has nothing beyond a fevered imagination as evidence against Trump.
    TDS is clearly in control of poor Booby’s mind.

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