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George Rebane

Motivated by the ongoing George Floyd protests cum riots, I renewed my interest in finding out more about Antifa – is it an organization or merely a movement of loosely coupled cells operating all over the country?  The discussions in our comment streams seem to divide along ideological lines – those leaning right see it as a formidable organization that rises to the occasion whenever there’s a political contention in the public forum; those leaning left characterize it as nothing more than a movement of some loosely formed groups of protesters against the country’s capitalist order.  In recent days I’ve received some informative emails from readers containing links to reports and commentaries that cover the waterfront on Antifa.  Here I’ll share a couple of them which I found more salient to my puzzling on the matter.

First some definitions:  A movement is a social cohort sharing an affinity to a set of beliefs and an overarching objective.  They usually express themselves in conjunction with other social gatherings, observances, and/or ad hoc events which may spontaneously/serendipitously arise.  A movement need not be organized around an enduring social structure.  An organization is a social order that has an enduring and labeled identity which is structured to achieve an objective summarized in a published mission statement, the accomplishment of which is through some known intermediate goals.  Organizations have a leadership hierarchy (e.g. board, executive management, operating managers, staff, …), a headquarters, established means of funding operations, membership, and a current agenda.  As they grow and gather steam, movements inevitably become organized in order to continue progress toward their overarching objective. 

The following numbered points summarize my current take on Antifa –

  1. The origins of Antifa can be traced to the post-Bolshevik movements to spread the communist revolution into western Europe during the 1920s, specifically to counter the fascist (national socialist) movements that started in Italy with the rise of Mussolini after he was expelled from the Italian Communist Party.
  2. Antifa members held a loosely defined and contradictory political ideology that welcomed both anarchists and Marxist/Leninist communists. The anarchists wanted to do away with all government immediately, and the communists wanted big governments to control all aspects of society.  But we recall that the Marx’s stated ultimate objective was a social order in which the perfected communist Man would live in social harmony without further need for government.  So in that sense Antifa could attract both anarchists and communists to work together toward an ultimate common goal, the timing of which they could quibble over after the established ‘fascist social orders’ were overthrown.
  3. Antifa divides people into anti-fascists, fascists, and those who are ideologically innocent/naïve. Fascism is never given a precise operational definition, but is simply defined as being anything and everything that opposes the Antifa objectives and methods.
  4. The acknowledged and taught MO to achieve Antifa objectives is through violence that is justified because Antifa members consider all opposition to their creed to also be expressions of violence.
  5. The Antifa movement never became a stable organization in Europe or in its spread to the US. It arose here and there to oppose fascism in pre-WW2 Europe and was ruthlessly put down by the Nazis.
  6. Antifa has made itself known through protest demonstrations of opportunity over the last decades by joining the ranks of non-violent protesters and then turning the protests into violent riots by instigating assaults on police, arson, looting, and generally creating opportunistic mayhem. Their intent is to project the image that the entire protesting cohort in the streets share their objectives and violent means of achieving them.
  7. No overarching Antifa organization has been identified in the US. However, there are several Antifa cells that have names and aggressively operate in various cities and regions of our country.  Today they are very active during the ongoing George Floyd protests, successfully having turned most of them into destructive riots.
  8. Antifa’s published leaflets and online proclamations declare its fundamental opposition to property, established legal order, capitalism, individual rights and freedom, religion, and constitutional government. The underlying objective of all their activities is the ultimate destruction of the United States of America, their greatest worldwide evil against which all means and methods are justified.
  9. “Antifa activists communicate and recruit mostly through social media, using Facebook as their principal forum for organizing protests.” Antifa cells receive money for recruiting and operations through a number of listed leftwing, pro-socialist organizations funded by prominent hard-left personages (e.g. George Soros and various entertainers).
  10. The main source of new Antifa members is from the constituents of the Democratic Party. The Dems and their lamestream media provide the political support for Antifa, mischaracterizing them as ‘protesters’, never calling them rioters, and minimizing reports of their violence and destruction.  And when all else fails, Antifa is portrayed as being in the streets to justifiably oppose ‘rightwing anarchists’ and ‘white nationalists’ who are the real fascists and instigators of the riots.
  11. The Democratic Party sees Antifa as a cohort of useful idiots that today function to keep alive the more visible and virulent forms of anti-Trump sentiments without having to expose themselves as militantly in the streets seeking to bring about their advertised “fundamental transformation” of America. More importantly, Antifa’s message to the minorities reinforces the Democrats’ decades-long narrative that our Hispanics and African-Americans continue as perpetual victims of corporate America and racist whites.
  12. There is a lot written about Antifa. From my readings, the two most informative that I found are ‘Project Veritas: Antifa Operates Like a Business’ and ‘A Communist & Anarchist Movement That Explicitly Endorses Violence’.

[8jun20 update]  The Antifa Manual.  Over the last week I’ve received several emails with what is purported to be the manual for Antifa members that outlines its ideology and the modus operandi of its street operations.  At first I hesitated to post it for several reasons that made me doubt its authenticity, primarily the variations in the writing style and a very naïve composition/structure.  It looks like it was meant to communicate the evils of Antifa to people unfamiliar with the movement.  In any event, whatever its provenance, someone went to some trouble to make the document look like the real deal.  You can download it and make up your own mind.  Download Antifa-Manual

[9jun20 update]  Noted WSJ columnist Bill McGurn joins many nationwide observers of how the peaceful protests have been co-opted by violent thugs, most of whom pledge their allegiance to the many Antifa cells that supply rioters to the various George Floyd demonstration venues.  In his ‘Mayhem is the Message’, McGurn writes – “If justice for George Floyd is the goal, many cannot fathom how it makes any sense to trash already-vulnerable neighborhoods, kill other African-American men in the process, and destroy black-owned stores that, as former President Barack Obama just pointed out, may never come back. But it makes perfect sense if the goal is to indict America as fatally compromised by racism since birth. And if the mayhem provokes authorities such as Mr. Trump into further inflaming the situation, so much the better.”

And then there’s CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the idiot brother of New York’s governor, who pours gasoline on the fire with his, “Please, show me where it says protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.”  The dufus totally misses that ‘polite and peaceful’ is how the lamestream, led by his employer, has been characterizing the riots.  Today’s perversity of the Left includes the observation by Scott Walker of the Capital Research Center that “Radical mobs on campuses call speech they don’t like ‘violence,’ ” while “Radical mobs in the streets call their violence ‘speech.’ Either way, instead of highlighting the difference between peaceful protesters and rioters, they want to erase it.”  The reasonable voices from the black community are always few and hard to hear over those screeching victimhood, but three intellectual giants stand out – Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Shelby Steele.  African-Americans would fare far better following their counsel, instead of divisive demogauges like Sharpton and Jackson.

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140 responses to “Antifa Rising (updated 9jun20)”

  1. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Upon reading the 2nd link above, I have nothing to add, just repeat some things that jumped off the page.
    1) And the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that routinely likens conservatives to racists and fascists, has elected not to include Antifa in its list of “hate groups.” SPLC president Richard Cohen explains that while “we oppose these groups and what they’re trying to do” by censoring speech and provoking “other forms of retaliation,” Antifa does not qualify for designation as a “hate group” because its adherents do not discriminate against people on the basis of race, sexual orientation, religion, or other variables protected by anti-discrimination laws. In short, said Cohen, Antifa’s brand of hate is “not the type of hate we follow.”
    2) ”….an August 2017 interview with podcaster Stefan Molyneux, a former Antifa activist-turned-conservative said that drug addiction is “extremely common” among anarchists, and that those anarchists “who aren’t addicted to drugs or to alcohol, are very often addicted to rage” and “violence.” “The rush that you get from that kind of hatred, that you direct at everyone else in society, it feels like a drug, and it feels like addiction,” he explained. “It’s a rush of power. The regular rules don’t apply to you, because you’re above them, better than them. You steal to survive, and you think that makes you better.” He took pains to emphasize “what an absolutely vicious, toxic, abusive, hate culture the radical left is.”
    3). “ Antifa members usually launch attacks against people who are not doing anything violent, but who are merely speaking, or trying to speak. As longtime anti-fascist activist Scott Crow explains, Antifa views conservative speech itself as an act of violence that must be countered with physical violence. Whether such an approach is justified, says Crow, “that’s for history to decide.”
    4 and 5). Antifa’s uncompromising hatred for police officers is embodied in Michael Isaacson, co-founder of the Washington-based Antifa group called Smash Racism DC. While serving as an adjunct professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, a certified New York City Police Academy, Isaacson made headlines when he tweeted in August 2017: “Some of y’all might think it sucks being an anti-fascist teaching at John Jay College but I think it’s a privilege to teach future dead cops.” On other occasions, Isaacson has claimed that neo-Nazis have infiltrated police departments in the U.S. and thus “have them kind of on their side.”
    Antifa activists direct their violence not only at people whom they characterize as “fascists” and “white supremacists,” but also at material property. In the aforementioned August 2017 interview with podcaster Stefan Molyneux, an Antifa activist-turned-conservative said that the notion that “property is theft” is widely embraced by American anarchists. Because they view property as a symbol of materialism and unfair wealth distribution, they typically consider its destruction to be a noble act. According to the Green Mountain Anarchist Collective’s “Black Bloc Papers,” “private property—and capitalism, by extension—is intrinsically violent and repressive and cannot be reformed or mitigated.” Lamenting “all the violence committed in the name of private property rights,” this document charges that “corporate private property” in particular “is itself infinitely more violent than any action taken against it.” By this logic, the destruction of a storefront window can be redefined and justified as the laudable creation of “a vent to let some fresh air into the oppressive atmosphere of a retail outlet.”
    —-
    And on and on it goes. Nothing I haven’t heard since my brief association of the YIppies (Youth International Party) in the early70’s or on campuses in the later sixties. Sit around the campfire and plan how to take out the rich dude in the big house on the hill and take his stuff. Then, justify it all by saying your are a modern day Robin Hood and distribute the stolen goods to the poor folk, the needy, the downtrodden or how you will use the loot to improve society,….when in reality they just wanted another’s wealth to keep for themselves without earning or working for it
    Man, all that smooth talking lofty ideals to mask pure unadulterated greed, envy and sloth. They can justify and rationalize away all the deadly sins. It’s for the common good, lol.
    FINALLY my thoughts on Antifa.
    This is not a revolution or mass movement we are witnessing. This is a rewatching of A Clockwork Orange we are viewing. Cuddle them and blame ourselves for their violence.

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  2. Scott O Avatar

    A friend of mine from northern Idaho just sent me this. You can have peaceful protests without rioting and mayhem. Just apply a heaping helping of 2A.
    https://itsmac.com/2020/06/02/coeur-dalene-idaho-stands-up-antifa-stands-down/
    An armed society is a polite society.
    You lefty haters can say what you want. Compare the results. No fires, no fights, no deaths, no trouble.
    Now what are you going to bitch about?
    Hmmm?

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 07 June 2020 at 07:44 PM
    Now what are you going to bitch about?

    That there were “ No fires, no fights, no deaths, no trouble“.
    All the things that make democratically controlled cities just so magical.

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  4. Scott O Avatar

    fish 8:36 – Ahem.
    That’s “Democrat controlled” cities.

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Scott O | 07 June 2020 at 09:05 PM
    I stand corrected.

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  6. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Antifa? Simply the militant arm of a church. It’s hard to get more aggressive than an expansionist religion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRfUb5cJJ0

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 08 June 2020 at 06:40 AM
    Jesuits…….?

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  8. fish Avatar
    fish

    What happens when your mom finds out you’ve joined Antifa..
    https://twitter.com/AlwaysActions/status/1266746699499950081

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  9. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘Journalist Who Was Gang Raped Unloads On Minneapolis City Council President Over ‘Privilege’ Remarks’
    “In a separate tweet a short time later, Logan wrote: “Also what I remember from that mob in Egypt – it only took a few trained, paid instigators to turn a celebratory crowd into a frenzy. This is what Antifa does best – they provoke to get the reaction that serves their political agenda. Not for racial justice – that’s a front.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/journalist-who-was-gang-raped-unloads-on-minneapolis-city-council-president-over-privilege-remarks

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  10. Robert cross Avatar
    Robert cross

    And then there are the good patriots like the CA militia and the Three Percenters who, of course, aren’t terrorists. Heavily armed morons have shown up in military style uniforms to “guard” businesses. In Oakdale such idiots showed up and their arrival drew criticism from local law enforcement, with both the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Office and the Oakdale Police Department saying that the militia presence caused problems. According to Stanislaus County Sheriff Jeff Dirkse, “This ‘militia’ has no official standing, no authority and their presence was counterproductive to keeping the peace in the City of Oakdale. Their activities were a drain on law enforcement resources and did nothing to protect the city,”
    Shasta County Sheriff Eric Magrini said, “In no way, shape or form ever would I embrace any kind of vigilante group, do any call to arms to … deputize somebody or call someone in.”
    Why haven’t some of you shown up yet in your soldier’ getups and assault rifles to protect business from the women, children and old men that protest in Grass Valley? It only seems fitting.
    And here I thought paramilitary groups that roamed the streets only happened in banana republics… oh yeah under trump we actually live in one.

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  11. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    fish: “Jesuits…….?”
    There certainly are episodes in Mob America you can draw from Catholicism. Our current crop of Kneelers sounds more than a little like Flagellants roaming around Europe during the Black Death. You got yer peculiar combination of self-hate combined with a kind of religious ecstasy they exhibit. Chants, in-group symbolism, we’re even starting to see holy icons like the Golden Coffin. This last should have been toted around the country in a funeral train ala Lincoln.
    No doubt the pressure from our own pandemic has more than a little to do with this. It’s a lot less extreme than bubonic plague, but then people are more mentally fragile than in prior centuries.
    I think that Antifa and it’s ideological relatives are more similar to the people (often later declared saints) who burned libraries, destroyed temples and statues, and forced religious conversion in the early days of the Christian church. It set everybody back a thousand or so years, but it was for The People doncha know.
    To be fair, the Left’s interest in the destruction of traditional culture doesn’t require a church. Both Marxists and Nazis rhyme with modern mass movements in terms of technique, so I suppose it’s baked into the cake of large-scale human groups. At least Italian Fascists were mostly off the hook in terms of civilization destruction and the Russians have shown that the damage doesn’t have to be permanent.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    “… Russians have shown that the damage doesn’t have to be permanent.” Given the resurgence of corrupt autocracy cum tyranny under Putin, the permanence of Russian governance is yet to be determined. Since its birth in the 15th century, Russia has never embodied a society that recognizes or rewards win-win social behaviors. And we may put China since Middle Kingdom days into the same boat. ‘Win-Lose’ completely explains away their choices of governance and conduct of their societies.

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  13. Paul emery Avatar
    Paul emery

    George
    You write:
    . Today they(Antifa) are very active during the ongoing George Floyd protests, successfully having turned most of them into destructive riots.
    Can you provide some documentation to support us. Until then it’s just your words and nothing else. Surely Trumps Justice Department should have something available to support this.

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  14. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    ‘Attorney General William Barr Explains Why Antifa Arrests Have Not Been Made — Yet’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/attorney-general-william-barr-explains-why-antifa-arrests-have-not-been-made-yet

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  15. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    BT – Do you really think the pony tail of ignorance is going to bother reading something that does not follow the talking points for lefties narrative?!?
    😉

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  16. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Given the resurgence of corrupt autocracy cum tyranny under Putin, the permanence of Russian governance is yet to be determined.”
    As they simply rolled back to a pre-1917 model, including large-scale traditional religion, I’d say that it’s a fairly permanent state of affairs thus far. I’d say that in general, Russians are more nationalistic than US citizens, but that doesn’t necessarily prevent internal power struggles. In any case, in the long run, I don’t think that the Marxist-Leninist utopia will have made much of a mark on the place.
    To tell you the truth, I’m not sure that Russia could survive without quasi-monarchy. The upcoming problem (as usual) is going to be succession, which I think is democracy’s strong point. Even the Roman Empire struggled with that one, regardless of different efforts in appointing the next head of state via adoption or having multiple heads of state.

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  17. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 1202pm – Agreed, and that was my point.
    PaulE 1058pm – My citing the riots does not include the numerous peaceful protests in small towns like ours. But it does include the larger cities almost all of which have seen destruction, looting, and burning. If you’re not aware of this from your sources, then let’s have you continue believing that I just made the whole thing up.

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  18. Mary Wanna Avatar

    ScottO: hilarious post on Sunday! Yeah, ScottO Coeur d’Alene is a very racially mixed community, big inner city, low income hotbeds of racial tension, right?
    Wrong! Racist, Nazi, White Supremacist hotbed, right?
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-fg-pacific-northwest-hate-20190525-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwiDgIrcuPXpAhVCnJ4KHZYcASIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1TwVYFtzxCFUTDJS2E3obW&ampcf=1

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  19. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Re; June 9 update
    Dr Rebane, I just love this quote. Good find, sir.
    “Today’s perversity of the Left includes the observation by Scott Walker of the Capital Research Center that “Radical mobs on campuses call speech they don’t like ‘violence,’ ” while “Radical mobs in the streets call their violence ‘speech.’ Either way, instead of highlighting the difference between peaceful protesters and rioters, they want to erase it.”
    Speech is violence and real violence is now speech. Oh my. Soon, things may get back to normal and moi will be posting the insanity on our campuses in the Sandbox. But, until that day…..‘Here we go Bruins, here we go!’ (My condolences, good doc)
    ‘UCLA Students Want Two Professors Fired Because They Didn’t Accommodate Student Feelings’
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ucla-students-want-two-professors-fired-because-they-didnt-accommodate-student-feelings
    What the hay? Accounting students are libertarians or Independents, generally at that age. Or were. Oh my, things have certainly changed.

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  20. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Mary Wanna | 09 June 2020 at 12:16 PM
    ScottO: hilarious post on Sunday! Yeah, ScottO Coeur d’Alene is a very racially mixed community, big inner city, low income hotbeds of racial tension, right?
    Wrong! Racist, Nazi, White Supremacist hotbed, right?

    Hmmm….like Truckee I imagine…..one Klan rally after another…..
    Climb back under your bed now.

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  21. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: BillT@12:19PM
    I’d heard of the accounting professor, but not the other guy.
    “Another UCLA professor, political science lecturer W. Ajax Peris, is receiving calls for his resignation because he read aloud MLK’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” which included the n-word. As The Federalist reported, students “hearing a white lecturer read the n-word from a letter written by a jailed civil rights leader and watching lynching imagery made them feel so ‘uncomfortable,’ they asked Peris to stop.” He apologized for causing “discomfort,” but continued teaching. UCLA’s Political Science Department condemned Peris for failing to “meet the students’ needs” and referred him for a discrimination investigation.”
    roflmao
    It’s a bummer that none of our local Blue Mob spend more than a second on any topic besides TrumpTrumpTrump and something he said (as opposed to a policy that actually came from the White House). It would do my heart good to watch these guys justify the literally thousands of crazy doings the Left churns up anymore. TDS is a real thing and I can’t help but wonder what the long term health costs are.
    I agree with you on the Libertarian/Independent (or simply don’t care) tendencies in days of yore, especially in the departments teaching valuable skills. About the only excitement back in my years o’ school was the occasional appearance of fundamentalist preachers on campus.

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The socialist mayor of Chicago get torched by the aldermen for letting their districts go under the antifa torch! –
    According to a tape obtained by WTTW News of an online conference call among the city’s 50 aldermen and the mayor, one alderman could be heard weeping while others angrily decried what was going on in the city.
    “My ward is a s–t show,” one alderman says. “They are shooting at the police.”
    One alderman asked how seniors and vulnerable populations were supposed to get medicine and food if “every CVS, every Walgreens is shutting down.”
    “How do businesses recover and why would they want to recover in our community?” another is heard asking.
    On the call, others took aim at Lightfoot herself for her response to the crisis. One man, identified by WTTW News as Ald. Raymond Lopez, demanded that Lightfoot develop a plan to stabilize Chicago’s neighborhoods for five days, calling his Southwest Side ward “a virtual war zone” where armed gang members were threatening to shoot black people.
    When he demanded she respond to the remarks, Lightfoot told him he was “100 percent full of s–t.”
    “Well, f–k you then,” Lopez responded.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots
    😉

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  23. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    I’m not denying there are riots and looting etc. I just don’t see any evidence as to who to attribute it to.
    There are some groups that just like to fuck things up and are not necessarily aligned with the groups that are organizing the demonstrations. Until that is established with arrests and convictions it is wrong especially for our so called President of the United States to accuse an individual for being an accessory to rioting and looting.
    Trump tweeted that:
    “the Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”
    That statement is disgusting beyond all standards of decency for a POTUS and I hope he gets sued . I’m suprised that you fell for this overt propaganda Martin Gugino with absolutely no substance to back it up
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/president-trump-tweets-antifa-conspiracy-theory-originated-anonymous-blog-n1228356

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    edit
    overt propaganda ABOUT Martin Gugino

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  25. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    There is so much amazing footage out there.
    I really should pull all this stuff onto a computer before Google memoryholes it all.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXZpwnRuKHQ
    #lootingforgeorge
    PaulE: “I’m not denying there are riots and looting etc. I just don’t see any evidence as to who to attribute it to. ”
    Why, that’s easy for you Paul. It’s Trump and his Nazi followers’ fault. You should stick to your original plan.

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  26. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    I thought mizzou had dried up and blown away after its dramatic enrolment drop –
    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/09/mizzou-students-demand-removal-of-racist-thomas-jefferson-statue/
    😉

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  27. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 12:33 PM
    I’d heard of the accounting professor, but not the other guy.

    It’s things like this that makes me giggle at the prospect of 30 – 50% of existing colleges going belly up in the next ten years!

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  28. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scenes @ 12:48 pm
    It is surprising that Google has not taken it all down. The guy swinging a white dog around by its neck (animal cruelty) in broad daylight protesting is something that does not fit the narrative…but you can still find it. I did. Sick MoFo.
    Heck, most of the videos posted cannot be posted on most Lamestream media comment sections because of all the foul language by the rioters, looters, ‘mostly’ peaceful protestors, and civic leaders. It’s F Bomb gone wild. What would our Outraged Puritans think?
    Oh, the point? The point is I watched 2 minutes of your video. I saw the Antifa symbol spray painted on outside of a burned out building @ 1:47. Can’t miss that A in a circle. It’s their calling card. Heck, it was sprayed on the walls in the Yellow Vest protests in Paris…on the Arch of Triumph. Anyway, back to the video.

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  29. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    re: BillT@1:09PM
    I make an effort to hunt around for raw video taken by some random guy. The amount of editing that goes on by MSM to shape a narrative is downright embarrassing any more. A tiny one that served as a great example was a BBC tweet a few days ago. Picture from behind the cops (the safe place to be) towards protesters, heavily cropped to not show weapons waving around on Team Rioter side. They got called out and actually changed the shot but you know darned well how much this happens.
    Just the fact that our local radio news guy is so deeply invested in TDS shows you all you need to know about ‘professional’ media.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Can you give me some examples of my news craft on KVMR that don’t meet your standards scenes?

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  31. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    She is right about that, remember 68 –
    Meghan McCain claims push to ‘defund the police’ is helping Trump reelection bid
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/meghan-mccain-defund-police-trump-campaign
    😉

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  32. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    hah. Here’s a cool one.
    Go on to twitter and search for ‘Capital Hill Autonomous Zone’.
    plus…
    https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gzo2lk/an_estimated_map_of_the_capitol_hill_autonomous/
    I expect that Coeur d’Alene is going to get a good solid boost in real estate values.

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  33. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:29 PM
    I expect that Coeur d’Alene is going to get a good solid boost in real estate values.

    I imagine that they are just thrilled…….

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  34. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:21 PM
    Just the fact that our local radio news guy is so deeply invested in TDS shows you all you need to know about ‘professional’ media.

    Well if it was your responsibility to save both the country and the planet you’d be deeply invested too.

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  35. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Paul E.:”Can you give me some examples of my news craft on KVMR that don’t meet your standards scenes?”
    lol. Dude, we might as well have some Klansman writing a newsletter for BLM. They’ll probably claim to have ‘news craft’, but their heart isn’t in it. Ask questions to someone who cares. If nothing else, showing up here to spit venom does your credibility no good.
    On more important matters (like any matter at all), I was trying to get a little insight from The People on this matter in Seattle. My current data point.
    https://twitter.com/humvadev
    A quick question occurred to me. Is there something in the water (lack of purposeful work? constant anxiety?) that might cause societies in turmoil to produce a large number of transsexuals (ie. Men in Dresses)? I was think about post-WWI Berlin for one, but are there other examples? It’s of genuine interest.

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  36. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    fish: “I imagine that they are just thrilled…….”
    But just imagine all the new coffee shops you could open.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Scenes.
    Couer d’ Alene has been ruined by the Californians moving up there since at least the early seventies. Made the land unaffordable as their surge drove up the price and, to add insult to injury, they arrogantly started fencing off areas. No very neighborly. Arrogant assholes and demanding, all in all, those Californians were. Treated it as their own playground, not a community. Not as bad as the Californian Libs who ruint Seattle thought. Oh, the skinheads were up at Spirit Lake and Hayden Lake, not Couer d’ Alene. Never gave folks on the Rez any problem. No white folks allowed, lol. Ok, white spouses allowed, enjoy the visit. If one wants to talk about racism and dirty cops? Take a gander at the Tribal Police. Now, they are the real deal. Always pitied the poor white boyz who hitchhiked across the rez and got dropped off without the ride going all the way through. 10 mile walks back to the highway without shoes was the usual welcoming if you got picked up by them. 🙂
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    That was so off topic. And maybe so is this, but I liked it. Covers a bunch of current rioting topics, but not Antifa (White Punks on Dope).
    CHRONICLES OF THE CRAZY TIME (1)

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    scenes

    sweet.
    https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/9/headlines/protesters_establish_autonomous_zone_around_seattle_pd_building_as_police_retreat
    lol. Down with those cities with (D) Mayors, (D) city councils, liberal city staff, scads of powerful identity groups and strong government unions.
    What could possibly go wrong?

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    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:52 PM
    A quick question occurred to me. Is there something in the water (lack of purposeful work? constant anxiety?) that might cause societies in turmoil to produce a large number of transsexuals (ie. Men in Dresses)? I was think about post-WWI Berlin for one, but are there other examples? It’s of genuine interest.

    ???? Purple Hair…Chick with Dicks… Submissive kneeling……??? Maybe so many true believers have “marched through the institutions” that sheer numbers increased the likelihood that their ideas would find receptive ears!
    Other than that……I got nothing!

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    scenes

    …and, dagnabbit, there’s been not a bit of discussion about foot washing.
    https://www.the-sun.com/news/949422/white-cops-protesters-wash-feet-black-religious-leaders-george-floyd/
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/scenes-us-protests-police-wash-feet-community-leaders-065318936.html
    We need to wash some feet locally. We’ll use a Pantone chart to figure out who is the washer and who is the washee. Make a yearly event out of it as part of a Kneeler festival.

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    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 02:15 PM
    Make a yearly event out of it as part of a Kneeler festival.

    Discriminatory against those who are, through no fault of their own, too fat or too ancient to take a knee!
    Why must you be so non-inclusive?

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    PaulE 1245pm – Tell me what kind of “overt propaganda” did I again fall for?

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  43. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Why must you be so non-inclusive?”
    Never think that. I was considering the concept of aides in a Kneeler ceremony. There are opportunities for an entire set of jobs here. Some form of Catechist, musicians, and naturally a Master of Ceremonies.
    Now, to be fair, when I see this:
    https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f86f2ad8833017d3c2bdce4970c-pi
    I’m starting to think more along the lines of a Royal Baby in a line crossing ceremony.

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    Bill Tozer

    Let’s see what overt propaganda the easily fooled fell for.
    TOP 15: Racist Trump and Republicans Inflamed Tensions That Led to Boston Tea Party-Like Looting
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2020/06/09/top-15-racist-trump-and-republicans-inflamed-tensions-led

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    Bill Tozer

    Touching on the religion (cult) theme earlier…..
    ‘Is Black Lives Matter a religion for woke white people?’
    The protesters are expressing the ‘godless creed’ of identity politics
    “It’s the surrender-worship posture that comes across as creepy, to say nothing of the flat, robotic tones in which the promises are repeated.”
    https://spectator.us/black-lives-matter-religion-woke-white-people/

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  46. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    ‘Is Black Lives Matter a religion for woke white people?’
    No, I think it a cudgel used to help identify the non-woke white people before beating them up.
    I call on all KVMR staff to get down on one knee for an entire broadcast day to confess their white privilege.

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    Paul Emery

    George
    Falling for Trumps unfounded assertions about Antifa and the current protests. .

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    scenes

    “I call on all KVMR staff to get down on one knee for an entire broadcast day to confess their white privilege.”
    A new radio show. Kneelin’ to the Blues.
    Play that funky music white boy.
    nope, not a cult…nothing to see
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhy8SEV71wk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXza0t5z2k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYkrQwOgp9U
    I’m afraid that I’ll take a bullet to my brainpan before I’ll kneel. Who knows, it might come to that in a few months.

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