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[What remains the point of debates which are empty of citations that are commonly accepted by the debating parties?  As I have pontificated here for some years, and am now joined by my betters like Victor Davis Hanson among others, we are so polarized that we no longer share any cognitive common ground.  In other words, we arrive at venues like RR, not only with our own opinions, but also with our own unique ‘facts’ (thereby giving lie to Sen Moynihan’s dictum).  The ensuing melee is then composed of nothing but ejecta of hot air flung at the other which make no lasting impact, let alone changing anyone’s beliefs.  And yet, … and yet we continue to regularly assemble on both sides of this arena to dance our ferocious dances, making threatening sounds while shaking our spears and shields at the other side, like the natives of primitive tribes or beasts of the jungle that learned to wage faux ‘wars’ without really harming each other.  Realizing this, perhaps we can all join in the attempt to discover the point of it all.  gjr]

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  1. Mary Wanna Avatar

    Riots in the streets. Army called in. 40 million unemployed. Over 100,000 dead.
    Is Trump finished making America Great Again?
    I think we will be able to MAGA once we evict Dear Leader

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  2. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Mary Wanna | 31 May 2020 at 02:53 PM
    I think we will be able to MAGA once we evict Dear Leader

    Concur….we will tax and spend and regulate our way to prosperity!
    (Oh and thank your Black Bloc comrades…..they just delivered the Tangerine Tornado another four years)

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hey everybody Pauls mom dropped by…….
    Well….I just hope you were satisfied with Bush’s leadership in the lead up to the recession…..and don’t get me started about the condition of that bedroom young man!

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  4. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    this is a counter Punch:
    “Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton [Friedman] and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you’re right. We did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again.”
    -Ben Bernake
    Progressivism and FDR caused the deepening of a normal business cycle downturn into a full blown Depression, and leftovers of The New Deal, Fannie Mae and its Frankenstein Husband, Freddie Mac, caused the Great Recession of 2008.

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Dr. Rebane @ 2:07 pm
    “re PaulE 139pm – I want to point out the futility of debating with Paul in these pages”
    Are you saying, good doc, not to feed the trolls, or just it’s a complete waste of time and energy?
    The Russians are behind all the looting, Susan Rice said this morning. I can hear the trolls now chanting in unison, “I believe her.” Yep, Susan Rice said the Russians are causing the riots because of their social media meddling. And somewhere out there in lala land, some Talking Heads believe her and her narrative will be considered fact
    I don’t think Susan Rice is correct about the Russians. The evidence is clear that it’s the Democrats out their looting. Free stuff has always been in the Lefties’ blood. It’s their bread and butter, their reason for living.
    Don’t Feed the Trolls.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 250pm – I don’t think you’ve understood anything I’ve said about the various roles of the presidents in husbanding our economy. Don’t even know how to start a reply to you at this point. My fault – I have my shortcomings, and a major one is not being able to say it clearly enough for you to understand (assuming you are really trying to understand). And it looks like your co-ideologue MaryW (253pm) is flying in tight formation with you.

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  7. Mary Wanna Avatar

    “As America’s problems continue to get worse, and Donald Trump continues to provide no leadership or solutions, his poll numbers continue to drop. So now he’s trying his latest desperate stunt in the hope of getting back into election contention.
    This afternoon Trump declared on Twitter that “The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.” That’s cute, but there are two fundamental problems here. The first is that, to hear Trump tell it, “Antifa” is a far-left domestic terrorist organization based in the United States. But various legal experts have pointed out that under U.S. law, the government can’t declare any domestic group to be a terrorist group. So Trump’s “designation” is nonsense that he can’t actually act on.
    The second and bigger problem for Donald Trump is that “Antifa” basically doesn’t exist. Who are its leaders? There aren’t any. Where is it based? Nowhere. What acts of terrorism has this group committed? None. “Antifa” is essentially just a leftover name from the World War II era (it literally stands for “anti-fascist”), and conspiracy theory lunatics like Donald Trump Jr like to throw the term around at anyone on the left they don’t like.
    It’s not as if Donald Trump’s stooge Bill Barr can round up “Antifa leaders” who don’t exist, and charge them for “terrorist attacks” that don’t exist. Trump is gambling that by pretending to designate an imaginary entity as a terrorist group, Americans at large will naively believe that he’s doing something to make things better. No one outside his own base is that stupid. And as his worsening numbers keep showing us, Trump can’t win in November with his base alone. There’s a reason most people are making fun of Trump over this: it’s a feeble attempt at changing the narrative that won’t make a dent, except to make him look even more stupid.”
    http://www.palmerreport.com

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  8. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Don @ | 30 May 2020 at 12:45 PM
    “I thought Sarah Huckabee Sanders was the greatest White House press spokesperson of all time because of the way she treated the press corps (that’s pronounced “core,” Mr. Obama) like unruly and slow-learning kindergarten kids, as they deserve to be treated. But Kayleigh McEnany has turned it up to 11, not only treating the press corps like children, but as the enemy as well, which they are. And note the left dare not make the charge that she is a bimbo—though you know they really want to—lest they fall afoul of charges of sexism. Remember when the media complained that the White House had discontinued the daily press briefing? Yeah, I’m betting they regret that right now.
    Oh, and Joe Biden had another great week in his basement. Not.”
    https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/05/IMG_2034.jpg?w=680&ssl=1
    https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/05/IMG_3012.jpeg?w=960&ssl=1
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/05/IMG_2033.jpg?w=720&ssl=1
    I tell ya Don, that woman Kayleigh is one tough, intelligent, and sharp cookie. I have been following her WH pressers more than Donald Trump’s briefings. She scatters the Enemy of the People before her and hears the lamentations of the dead beat press. Harvard grad, lawyer, and when she starts thumbing through her notes, you know somebody to asked a dumb question will dread her reply.

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Pretty simple George-did Bush show leadership during the time leading up to the recession and did Trump fail in his promise to provide a balanced budget aided by his tax cuts and did he fail in his promise to cut back on the debt instead contributing an additional 5 trillion to the total. How can I make it more simple than that? A simple answer will do.

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  10. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    King of the run on sentence @250
    A simple answer will do. LOL Sorry but no one can make it simple enough for the pony tail of ignorance.
    😉

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  11. L Avatar
    L

    Perfesser Emery,
    Before you start lecturing Dr. Rebane’s guests on history, you might want to take a refresher course yourself. George and Gregory have already wasted the time to straighten you out on the economic downturns, so I’ll just rub your nose in it a bit by pointing out that you went off track with your first comment about “Teapot Dome”: As it happens, that wasn’t an event under silent Cal, but Harding.
    It’s bad enough to misstate the distant past, but your ignorance about the guilty parties in 2008 is inexcusable, as clearly explained by Gregory. Will his lesson sink in, or will you be right back tomorrow making the same false accusation? Why ask?- of course you will.

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  12. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    It’s easier to get through Punchy’s noggin in person.

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  13. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    toes 351pm
    No, it’s “esprit de corpse” in obamaspeak.

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  14. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    You are correct L. The hangover of the scandal tarnished Coolidge after he took office when Harding died in 1923. They were all Republicans-Harding, Coolidge then Hoover from 1921 thru 1933 so my contention that it was all Republican Presidents-12 years- that led up to the depression is verified.
    Republican Presidents all were in office when all three economic disasters happened.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    re MaryW 350pm – Well sumbich, thought it would never happen, but this leftwing sackhead and I finally agree on Antifa. Antifa is really nothing but a label for distributed extreme leftwing conduct in the public arena. There is nothing centralized or organized about it. One group of leftwing radicals sees what another has done in at some event, and they copy it as ‘best practices’, therefore both looking alike to the casual observer. That kind of ‘monkey see, monkey do’ conduct is baked into human action, both for good and evil. Were there any leadership or mother temple for Antifa, the feds would have been all over it long ago like ugly on a bear’s ass. Unfortunately, our president is not being properly advised on the matter, and therefore provides more ammo for his enemies by shooting from the lip. Or could it be that he’s not listening to good advice on the matter? 😉

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  16. Mary Wanna Avatar

    George: 🤠

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  17. Mary Wanna Avatar

    Joe Biden hits the streets with protesters as Donald Trump hides under his desk
    Bill Palmer | 6:58 pm EDT May 31, 2020

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    Anybody with an ounce of economics savvy and history knows that the Great Depression started when an overheated market correction was not salved by liquidity from the Fed, which then was still a young institution not certain of its bearings. Today the Fed knows exactly what to do to stop a plunging market by pumping extra dollars into the economy. It is the light thinkers and the union educated who today conveniently blame the whole thing on Hoover and any other Republican president they can lay their hands on. Hoover tanked it, FDR fixed it – easy money. What’s your next slogan?

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So George you believe it’s co-incidental that these things happened under a Republican watch?

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  20. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    #sadpoolfakenewsman @754
    😉

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  21. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Troll says –
    Joe Biden hits the streets with protesters as Donald Trump hides under his desk
    Bill Palmer | 6:58 pm EDT May 31, 2020
    Posted by: Mary Wanna | 31 May 2020 at 05:30 PM
    Hits the streets, no. Staged photo op yes. How long did it take to get creepy grampa joe up off his knee? LOL
    😉

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  22. Keith Avatar
    Keith

    So Emery, at 7:54 PM, is it just coincidental that all the major wars of the 20th Century started with Democrats as President?

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  23. L Avatar
    L

    Paul, you might also recall that in 1921-33, the federal government wasn’t yet in the business of pretending to run the economy. That began under the reign of the American destroyer, FDR. The present is what get by inviting socialism is for a trial.
    The triumph of the socialist project would result in the almost immediate* extermination of the human race. The artifacts will be identifiable for millennia; the people gone.
    *decades. not Centuries.
    Even without the cancerous touch of Marx and Lenin, it looks like a close thing.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    No excuses L.
    The Depression occurred under the 12 year leadership of Republican President. Just like the Great recession of ’08 occurred during the 8 years of Bush. Most of his term the Repubs had control of the House and Senate. No excuses. His job was to lead and he failed miserably.
    Ane history is repeating itself with Trump
    If you vote for a Republican for President history shows there is a high probability of economic disster.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    sp: disaster

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  26. Walt Avatar

    All of The Emery tripe can be found on page 102 of “The world according to Emery” from Twilight Zone publishing.
    Karl Marx was just misunderstood… Right Emery?

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  27. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Walt
    What does Marx have to do with the miserable job the Republicans have done managing the economy?
    Weird desperate response.

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  28. L Avatar
    L

    Paul @ 9:43- So that’s what fifty years of dope smoking sounds like; hope you like living in the world you imagine will replace the one God gave you to live in. Good luck.

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  29. Walt Avatar

    Take another bong hit Emery, We have ALWAYS done better with Repubs in charge. Sorry your alternate universe is different.
    Only the likes of you still believe that “O”‘s free health care was so great.
    So cheap, no one could afford to use it.
    Clean, cheap “green power”. Three times the cost of oil and gas.
    Put Americans out of work, and ship cheap shit in from other nations. So.. Just how are people buy that cheap shit, if they don’t have jobs to make money?
    Oh… Yaa… Welfare checks. Why didn’t Repubs think of that?
    Tell me Emery, Where are the poor people that employ high paying jobs?
    Maybe dope needs to be re-illegalized so the price can go back up, and the county can thrive again from that underground economy.

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  30. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE 943am – Paul, is there a chance you can point us to the book(s) from which you draw your knowledge of American history? One of them could well be the dreadfully political history texts (all composed under the aegis of the federally funded UCLA History Project) from which our high schoolers are taught in union public schools. I have had the privilege of reading the one used in NUHS – wow! Please tell us so we can better understand you and yours.

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  31. keith Avatar
    keith

    Okay, Emery doesn’t want to answer about all the wars started by Democratic presidents in the 20th Century.
    So another one for you, Emery? Should President Truman been prosecuted for war crimes for dropping the bombs on Japan and killing tens upon tens of thousands of japanese civilians?
    And don’t give me that crap about Trump’s economy. It was doing great until the whole coronavirus came along. And if you remember, Trump was trying to stop the flow of people from China while Nancy Pelosi was dancing in the streets of SF Chinatown and calling him a racist

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  32. Walt Avatar

    Keith.. You will get nowhere stating facts to Emery.
    He has PLENTY of crickts to do his answering.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 09:43 AM
    What a laugh you supply. The Roaring 20’s were a real boon to America after the WW! and Wilson Spanish Flu fiasco. All free markets and so much wealth created. Then the bust when FDR go elected. Then Clinton and the tech bust. Yeah you libs forget all that which cracks me up. I am now being accused of racism by your ilk for saying WUHAN virus. What a hoot!

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So correct me if I’m wrong.
    The Republicans were not responsible for what led up to the Depression but Roosevelt and the Democrats were responsible for the way they handled the recovery. Also Bush was not responsible for the Great Recession but Obama was responsible for the debt and slow recovery.
    Also Trump was not responsible for the current recession and neither is he responsible for the likely 5 trillion in debt in his first and likely only term.
    Also Nixon was a small time petty amateur crook (as well as Agnew) but Obama and Biden are the real deal when it came to corruption.
    This is based on your posting over the last few days.

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  35. Walt Avatar

    Jesus H Christ Emery, Blame Trump for shutting the nation because of what China did? You bitched he didn’t do it fast enough, or soon enough. What next? he ordered that cop to put his knee on his neck?
    Did you stay home when the 1969 killer flu rampaged the world?
    You seem to have made it though.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    My 12:04 was for George

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  37. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Punchy 1204pm
    Have you ever heard of the business cycle? That’s what FDR turned into the Great Depression. What Bernake was apologizing for the Fed’s actions that caused that pain.
    The great recession was caused by the implosion of bad paper issued by Fannie and Freddie. Yes or no?
    Arguing with Paul is like putting an octopus into a bucket.
    Punch, you are an irrational being with no discernable memory.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Tough titty Emery, You post crap, your fair game.
    Want it personal to keep your stupidity secret? Send an email.

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  39. fish Avatar
    fish

    Arguing with Paul is like putting an octopus into a bucket.
    Punch, you are an irrational being with no discernable memory.

    Yes……it is exactly this……and if you respond with anything other than remorseless ridicule it only encourages him!

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  40. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    My my. I have waited a very long time for the Teapot Dome scandal to be brought up in some kind of Punch Drink argument and when the day finally comes, Slappy butchers it, lol. Mercy.
    “So correct me if I’m wrong”. Rightttt. Like, that will do any good. Do not feed the trolls.
    —-
    As you fine gentlemen and scumbag debate multi-faceted issues of the past, it may serve y’all well to take things in their historical context. The definitions of what is a Republican and what is a Democrat have changed over the years. JKF’s famous speech, ‘Ask not what your country can do you, but ask what you can do for your country’ today would be considered heartless, devoid of compassion, and some Right Wing “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” angry old white man rhetoric. Not very progressive.
    Not all things have changed. Was it FDR or Wilson who ordered the military re-segregated? Wasn’t it Al Gore’s daddy the Dem senator who vigorously opposed segregation? Yep, some things don’t change.
    Today, the Dems do not believe in the American Dream for all. If they did, there would be protests across the nation decrying policies that exclude Asian Americans via discriminatory admission policies at Harvard, the UC Regents, and New York City in Advanced Placement Public Schools.
    Today a “Democrat” is anti-free speech.
    Which President do we blame for the Dust Bowl? Happened on somebody’s watch.
    Ah, nevermind.
    “So correct me if I’m wrong”. Lol. Good one.

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  41. Walt Avatar

    Who dreamed up FED backed loans for anyone who could fog a mirror Emery? Banks were FORCED to make those loans.
    Remember Barney Frank? We still have yet to see the end of that fiasco. That bad paper is still floating around.
    “homeownership is a right”. Even if you can’t afford to make the third payment. Buying a home on EBT cards was was sure a hot idea…

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Gregory
    Then why didn’t Bush or his financial team warn the American people about what you characterize as an impending doom? Isn’t that a sign of failed leadership?

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Also Gregory you as a Libertarian should be appalled by the 5 Trillion or so national debt being piled on since Trump took office. Not a peep. Why is that?

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  44. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Walt @ 12 38 pm
    Barney Frank? You forgot to add Maxine Waters! Mad Max was been named not once but twice (repeat offender) The Most Corrupt Member of Congress by the non-partisan watchdog CREW. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Government. And they have listed many R’s on their list
    It was Mad Max that screamed that any criticism of Harold Raines (head of Fanny) was racist and motivated by racism, not corruption and mismanagement…not to mention Harold hiding the dirty details that Fanny was going belly up…by his bad investments.
    Nothing to see here, folks…..Opps, forgot that 11 million bailout that Mad Max’s husband got for the bank he was heavily invested in (board member, too) and for whom Mad Max personally intervened by directly calling Treasury and Obama….well, they never paid back a penny. Like a good magician act, the elephant in the room just disappeared. Poof.
    I do enjoy a good magic show. It’s amazing how the Dem puppets turn themselves into asses.
    Trump was right. Mad Max does look like she wears James Brown wig.

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  45. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    5 trillion dollars? No worries, Fauxahonas and the gang have a plan for that: 60 trillion. 🙂

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  46. fish Avatar
    fish

    Hope you got what you needed …..before!
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gun-stocks-shoot-higher-after-weekend-chaos
    Checked on availability for a Remington 870 Express (not the duck gun)……not looking good….no where in Bass Pro’s entire inventory system!
    They also said Glock and Sig Sauer are looking at 6 to 9 month inventory backlogs!

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  47. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 12:57 PM
    “Also Gregory you as a Libertarian should be appalled by the 5 Trillion or so national debt being piled on since Trump took office.”

    You’re right he should…..and I suspect he is……of course there was nary a peep from the Green Libertarian™ about the 8 trillion that Obama spent.
    WAIT…….YOU DIDN’T VOTE FOR OBAMA A SECOND TIME….SECOND TIME!

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  48. fish Avatar
    fish

    George……every third comment is disappearing into the void.

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