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George Rebane

Those words from Speaker Pelosi summarized her three most important aspects of the pandemic legislation now going through Congress.  But once more I believe that the lady misses the point here.  Testing will do demonstrably little to stop or even slow down the inevitable and incipient explosion of Covid19 infections in the land.  The emphasis of governments at all levels now should be to facilitate manufacture and distribution of life’s necessaries and healthcare equipment/supplies to treat the daily growing cohort of the infected requiring medical treatment.

A couple of useful definitions for discussing the pandemic – ‘asymptomatic’ means “showing no evidence of disease”, and ‘pre-symptomatic’ means having been infected but not yet showing symptoms.

The pandemic will stop only after 1) all have been infected (meaning it never stopped), or 2) it dies out since no more infections and the lucky infected have survived and are no longer infectious.  The best and fastest way to achieve the latter without inevitably overstressing our healthcare system is to self-quarantine and STAY AT HOME.  The head fed expert on infectious diseases, Dr Anthony Fauci, reinforced this prescription again today when he advised everyone to maximize the time they can “stay at home” (here).

A lot of bullcrap about how the virus is transmitted still pollutes the media channels.  Dr Michael Osterholm, director of University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, gives some extremely important and cogent advice about Covid19 transmission (here) the main takeaways from which are –

  1. The virus survives for several days on surfaces, depending on the material and its environment.
  2. The virus is readily transmitted via the aerosols (exhalations, sneezes, coughs, …) from infected people. And the scariest part is that in the air the virus can survive for a matter of hours.
  3. Pre-symptomatic people can infect others. Just because you are asymptomatic does not guarantee that you are not pre-symptomatic.
  4. Available masks do little to nothing to stop your breathing the viral aerosol.
  5. No anti-Covid19 vaccine will be available in time to stop the coming national spike in infections.
  6. The only way to stop the spread is maximum social distancing, i.e. self-quarantine yourself, stay at home.
  7. Our medical infrastructure is woefully inadequate to cope with what is coming; the spike in infections will overwhelm it. We will wind up triaging like the Italians and others are doing now.

So getting back to testing, and how that affects each of us.  I’ve prepared a little flowchart that most people (most certainly the astute RR readers) can understand.  It shows clearly how your being tested for the virus is essentially immaterial as to what you should really do in any event.

TestingUtilityIn the meantime, our Democrats and lamestream media along with international news outlets like the leftwing Economist, continue to lambast President Trump.  They blame everything from starting the pandemic, through not having the country’s healthcare system prepared and waiting (no nation has achieved this even now), to securing America’s borders as evidence of his “mismanaging” this national emergency.  In the mean time all the EU countries are sealing their own borders and many have already shut down all walk-in businesses and imposed national quarantines.  Any idiot should know that one obvious way the infections will continue to increase is through infectious people uncontrollably crossing borders.  But apparently not.

And finally, I want to make the point that this pandemic may turn into a large-scale emergency for all of us (recall that’s an emergency when 911 calls are not answered).  But however it ends, we will have a national dialogue that will result in new policies calling for major changes in our preparedness for such future catastrophes which will surely pay us another visit.  A discussion of what these may be, I will reserve for a future commentary and comment stream.

[16mar20 update]  It’s worth continuing to pay attention to the Dems’ Big Lie programs.  Most noteworthy now is the continuing lie that we would have done a better job fighting the coronavirus had we already implemented a nationalized healthcare system like Bernie’s ‘Medicare for All’.  If anyone cares to look at how the countries with nationalized healthcare are doing in this pandemic, they would quickly be disabused of any such thing.

The other part of last night’s comedy debate was Bumblebrain’s ongoing claims that somehow he was in the crucial heart of policy making and implementation in the Obama administration.  Listening to him talk, ol’ Bumble was right in the middle of all that was happening.  If anyone cares to check the record, they quickly discover that the man was one watering short of a potted plant during the entire eight years.  VP Biden was trotted out to stand behind Obama during photo ops, dignitary dinners, and other ceremonial occasions, mostly to allay rumors of his early demise.  Oh yes, he was allowed to attend certain meetings as long as he kept his mouth shut.  So you know Bernie has to bite his tongue when, like last night, Bumblebrain claimed to be the “steady hand” that quashed the ebola epidemic and kept it from our shores.

Now, as with Trump’s bravado, I would not count as ‘lies’ these outlandish claims of accomplishment.  But it would be refreshing to hear a progressive see such a common thread that knits together all politicians.

And also, do you note that like socialists, they don’t want to call attention to China’s autocratic mismanagement of when the Wuhan virus epidemic started?  No mention is made of its genesis in China or Wuhan because such attributions would be “racist”.  The lamestream, of course, fell into line immediately.  For them and theirs, President Trump is a much more believable cause of all that’s bad about the Covid19 pandemic.

[17mar20 update]  Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital sent out a notice to their foundation members (of which Jo Ann and I are) regarding their new drive-through testing program.  They also direct you to the county’s coronavirus information website is here.

 Drive-through Covid-19 testing now at SNMH

Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital will begin drive-through Covid-19 testing from 3:00-6:00 p.m. on Tuesday and Wednesday (3/17 & 3/18).

If you are symptomatic and meet criteria for testing, Nevada County residents should call their primary care doctor. If the doctor agrees that an individual needs to be tested, the doctor can fax an order to the hospital.

Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital will call the patient to set up an appointment drive-through time. Please do not attempt to go to the testing drive-through without a previously set-up appointment. 

[18mar20 update]  New epidemic model revealed.  It turns out that the epidemic spread model that’s currently most trusted and used by policy makers in various countries is from the epidemic modeling group at Imperial College. (here, here, and here)  Note the (lack of) emphasis put on testing as a policy tool to affect infection and mortality rates.

Common malaria drug prevents and fights Covid19.  That is claimed in a report announced on Anthony Watts website (here) that was authored in league with Stanford University School of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, among others, and published in several respected journals.  This, of course, would be the best news yet to salve the pandemic until a vaccine arrives.  In the meantime, Dr Rebane advises that you reconsider a gin and tonic as your afternoon preventative; after all, it is made with tonic water.  (H/T to reader)  The summary of the report follows –

Recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that chloroquine is an effective antiviral therapeutic treatment against Coronavirus Disease 2019.  Use of chloroquine (tablets) is showing favorable outcomes in humans infected with Coronavirus including faster time to recovery and shorter hospital stay.  US CDC research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed.  Chloroquine is an inexpensive, globally available drug that has been in widespread human use since 1945 against malaria, autoimmune and various other conditions. 

[23mar20 update]  The reliability of Covid19 tests now reported should give most of us pause.  We are told that existing tests catch about 60% of people infected with the virus, and they test positive from 3% to 50% of those who are not infected.  So what’s the utility of giving a test to an asymptomatic walk-in American?  Well, the good Rev Bayes can help us out (more here).

[Trigger warning: some mild-mannered math ahead.]


We start with the prior probability that the asymptomatic walk-in has the virus which computes to about P(V) = 100K/330M = 0.0003 assuming generously that today about 100K Americans have been infected as opposed to today’s reported number of 42K.  The test’s likelihood ratio L(TP|V) = P(TP|V)/ P(TP|¬V) where V stands for virus present, ¬V means virus absent, and TP indicates Test Positive.  So the ratio is simply the two probabilities of a positive test given that the virus is present and the virus is absent – i.e. ¬V.  What we want to calculate is the updated or posterior probability that a person has the virus given that the test came back positive.  The Bayes formula for that is P(V|TP) = L(TP|V)P(V)/[L(TP|V)P(V) + 1 – P(V)].  Using the published numbers P(TP|V) = 0.60, and P(TP|¬V) = 0.25 (rough average of quoted range), we get L = 2.40.  Plugging this into the Bayes formula gives us

P(V|TP) = (2.4)*(0.0003)/[ (2.4)*(0.0003) + 1 – 0.0003] = 0.00072.

This tells us that an asymptomatic walk-in testing positive more than doubles his probability of having been infected, but his overall probability of actually being infected is still ridiculously low.  So what are you as a medical professional going to do with that information?  The answer is nothing much, because his probability of being uninfected, even with testing positive, is still P(¬V|TP) = 1 – P(V|TP) = 1 – 0.00072 = 0.9993, almost certainly virus free.

This little exercise allows us to evaluate the utility of such medical tests as to how much their results will move the needle one way or the other given what the test reports.  If the reported reliability numbers are accurate, then the test’s detection rate is way too low, and its false alarm rate is much too high for such a test to be very useful.  I’m sure that new tests are going to push the detection rates well above 0.9 and false alarm rates below 0.1.  Those interested can plug in different numbers and decide for themselves how reliable Covid19 testing should be before its results become a gold standard for use in making public response policies.  As a reference, here and here are a couple of websites that reports on the reliability of Covid19 tests so you can get a feel about how these tests are considered.

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64 responses to ““Testing, testing, testing” – Really? (updated 23mar20)”

  1. Walt Avatar

    See? Trump does what needs to be done, and Lefty news calls him racist.
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/19/donald-trump-nbc-news-racist-coronavirus-travel-ban-china/
    What was I tell’n ya “D-? and it continues.

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  2. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    In home test may be available Monday. Get Doc to write prescription for The Plague Virus Test and they will mail you test with easy instructions (swab) and mail it back. Return envelop included, 128 bucks….says US tele-med company. Details and link later, got to go out into the great back 40. The Great unknown.

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  3. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Weird Bobbie Yankandbitch | 19 March 2020 at 04:34 PM
    Remember you Rebaneamancs, we are watching you and we will never forget. Never. We are always watching you.

    ….yawn.
    Don’t you have a website to finish?

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  4. Walt Avatar

    Just who is “we” SFB?

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  5. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ok, how about the forbidden question of what is an acceptable death rate from the flu as opposed to wrecking our economy and send us into the Great Depression II? At some point the quarantines will have to stop, people will have to go back to work, and our lives (however changed) must continue on.
    —————
    This link does not address the question directly, but lays the groundwork.
    ‘Will The Costs Of A Great Depression Outweigh The Risks Of Coronavirus?’
    Federal and state governments are making a massive gamble about a little-understood new virus. They are betting our future on the most extreme worst-case scenario without considering the costs.
    ‘A Depression Will Ruin 330 Million Lives, Not 4 Million’
    “Why would the entire nation grind to a halt when the entire nation is not at a severe risk? I would rather have a flu I am 99.8 percent likely to survive than the nation plunged into chaos indefinitely because we pulled the plug on our economy during a stampede.
    At the very least, Congress should wait a week or two, while half the nation or more is home, to see how the infection rates look as millions of test kits go out. The worst-case scenario they are predicating their actions on may not be the one we’re facing. Prudence suggests a measured, wait and see approach to policy until we have better information, not chucking trillions of my kids’ dollars out the window “just in case.”
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/19/will-the-costs-of-a-great-depression-outweigh-the-risks-of-coronavirus/
    ———————————-
    Better link
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBEmLhO4KO4

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  6. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Brother Walt, per usual, nails it again @ 4:49 PM.
    “See? Trump does what needs to be done, and Lefty news calls him racist”
    Neither Biden Nor Sanders Would Have Saved American Lives With Travel Bans Like Trump Did
    There is no way a President Biden or Sanders would have gone against the academic models’ conclusion to leave open travel from China — but Trump did, and saved countless lives in doing so.
    Oh, they will always call Trump and Trump supporters (even Trump leaners) racist. They don’t need no stinkin’ rhyme or reason. That, Walt, I can assure you is baked into the Lib cake.
    In the fullness of time, we will be back to 20 million will die in the streets if we touch Obamacare, aka, the Unaffordable Care and Patient Privacy Act.

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  7. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The view from across the pond after they battered the administration for closing borders like the socialist dems and the trollish set –
    The president of the European Commission admitted that leaders in the EU “underestimated” the scale of the coronavirus outbreak, as the bloc has closed its external borders to foreign travellers.
    The admission by Ms von der Leyen that the EU “underestimated” the severity of the virus comes just one week after the bloc criticised President Donald Trump for imposing a travel ban on the Schengen Zone nations.
    Mr Trump argued that the European Union had failed to take the necessary “precautions and restrict travel from China and other hotspots” in the face of the growing coronavirus pandemic.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/18/eu-president-admits-europe-underestimated-coronavirus/
    😉

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  8. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    …and…so much for testing.
    L.A. County gives up on containing coronavirus, tells doctors to skip testing of some patients
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/coronavirus-county-doctors-containment-testing

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    scenes 932am – Important catch Mr scenes. Almost no one understands the function and/or the utility of testing for coronavirus. But such understanding is beginning to penetrate as we gain experience in responding to the disease. Testing is only useful if it is applied on a regular schedule to a suspect population concurrently (small time window) and comprehensively through scientific sampling, and the results are made known in a timely manner in order to quickly discover unknown ‘pockets’ of infection that can be isolated/treated sooner than later. Otherwise the results from ad hoc and spotty test applications provide no marginal utility than do normal medical decisions responding to symptoms.

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  10. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The testing demanded by the Punchies of the country is designed to throw fat on the political fire, not for theraputic purposes or public health understandings.
    We demand to see how bad it is NOW!
    SARS (the original pandemic more than a decade ago) ended up all but dying out by itself… whether or not SARS-2 (SARS-CoV-2) gets worse or better is yet to be seen.

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  11. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “The testing demanded by the Punchies of the country is designed to throw fat on the political fire, not for theraputic purposes or public health understandings.”
    Emerianism is nothing if not pure.
    I have to say that I’m surprised that we are seeing drive-in tests in the hospital parking lot when the first order of business should be regular and constant testing on nurses, grocery store checkers, front line postal employees. Maybe there’s something going on behind the magic curtain, but I doubt it.
    The weaponization of plague in the 2020 election reminds me (or at least reminds me of what I’ve read) of the virulent anti-FDR activism in some corners of the Republican Party that still existed even after it was obvious there was going to be fightin’. It does no one any good and in fact is harmful to any national effort. Even if you don’t trust the man in front, everybody should pull on the same rope.
    I even got to hear a bit of the craziness myself today from one of our local Blue Folks. Just a replay from some oft retold story from a political website and as usual based on 75% BS. I’m eager to hear anything about Captain Trips that I don’t already know, but you’re not going to get it from 4th hand Daily Kos.

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  12. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Prediction of the day.
    You’ll see testing ebb off in areas that are hit by the virus due to lack of protective equipment. When you’re running low on (or out of) masks, you’ll save them for dealing with sick people in your facility.
    Bummer that no one kept sufficient stocks, a hospital is a hard dollar and you save money where you can. Combine that with the understandable Chinese need to strip other countries of their N95’s and then keep internally made ones for themselves. The hivemind is not your friend after all.
    It is what it is, but it’s an interesting detail in this whole mess.

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