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Sandbox – 18feb20

18 February 2020

[Well, my proposal in the 12feb20 Scattershots for a new Dem candidate reader participation contest heading into the convention went over like a fart in church. It would have been fun to see how the perceived fortunes of Super-Tuesday's survivors changed over the next few months. Oh well, … sigh. gjr]

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450 responses to “Sandbox – 18feb20”

Walt

18 February 2020

Here is some fake news for ya’ Emery, RUN WITH IT!
https://www.thehour.com/news/articleComments/Barr-has-told-those-close-to-Trump-that-he-may-15066320.php

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Bill Tozer

18 February 2020

Pompeo
http://dlvr.it/RQHb1l

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odlaw

18 February 2020

Posted by: Walt | 18 February 2020 at 08:34 PM
,,,Oh Wally…are you talking about ‘’’’Squib’’’’ Trump???
He don’t have the gas it takes to blow out a candle!!!

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Don Bessee

18 February 2020

Seems to be awfully comma deficient @ 903 LOL2
-Note to Trump: America Should Not Send B-52 Bombers To Israel
How stupid is this bullshit as if they could use them given their narrow width of land. So propaganda on something that is not real.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/note-trump-america-not-send-032900014.html
😉

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Walt

18 February 2020

Keep believing that Dougy. It’s obvious Trump has you filling Depends at a record rate.

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,uh oh Wally,,, Trump administration says Trump is 1.5 million jobs behind Obama so far based on last three Obama years vs. Trump’s first 3 years!!!

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,sure is quiet around here….
All of a sudden there is no talk from the big Tea Party Freedom Caucus about the state of our debt and deficit???
Buncha hypocrites???
‘’’Why Do My Fellow Republicans Make Excuses for Trump’s Deficits?
He is driving the country to financial ruin. And his own party is letting it happen.
By Mark Sanford
Mr. Sanford is a former candidate for the 2020 Republican presidential nomination.’’’
‘’’People have a tragic flaw: Sometimes we want others to do the thinking for us. And across the ages promoters and con men have been more than willing to oblige. They invite us to indulge in the fantasy that a newfound father figure will fix it all, though it never works out that way.
This is the premise of a prescient book from 1841, “Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds,” by the Scottish journalist Charles MacKay, which documents in extensive detail the moments when entire societies have set aside their own good judgment under the spell of a charlatan.
We are in one of those moments today.
President Trump’s abandonment of fiscal responsibility will prove disastrous — whether we think about it or not. His State of the Union address underscored his own thinking; it was long on pander and did not address our country’s bleak financial state.
Yet amazingly, conservatives whom I have long respected somehow look the other way.’’’
– – – New York Times

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scenes

19 February 2020

re: Comma-man@7:27AM
I don’t expect anyone to change the debt numbers downward much. With discretionary spending on something over a 1/4 of the total there’s less wiggle room than you might expect. Plus, a state that is increasingly diverse has less and less reason to care about the whole. There’s a reason that the formerly-monoethnic/monocultural Swedish could get away with a high level of .gov spending. A hivemind is a powerful thing, the magic of diversity squabbles over the carcass.
Here’s a really small homework assignment. Debt vs gdp over time, look where the steep changes occur.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S
It does look to me like Saint Obama was on watch on the big increase, but I expect he just did as he was told. The most important man in the country is whoever programmed his teleprompter.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Looks like Trump has miles to go to catch up to Obama.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10222077584354845&set=gm.878486529273125&type=3&theater

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Mark Sanford? Oh yes, MSNBC is fawning all over the disgraced former governor who like to hike.
-From June 18 until June 24, 2009, Republican South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford’s whereabouts were unknown and there was media coverage of what was described as his disappearance. … During the six days of absence, one of the excuses offered by Sanford’s spokesperson was that Sanford was hiking the Appalachian Trail.
-Mark Sanford goes missing again….on Naked Hiking Day
-Last June, Sanford disappeared and then returned to the state to say he had been in Argentina visiting a woman he later called his “soulmate.” Sanford and his wife, Jenny, divorced in March.
-Voters tell Mark Sanford to take a hike
-Nov 12, 2019 – Mark Sanford is dropping out of the 2020 Republican presidential primary race, ending his long-shot bid to defeat President Donald Trump.—Huff-n-Puff Farting Post
-When moi posted in the Drop Out Derby that Mark Sanford has dropped out of the race, Dr. Rebane asked who the hell is Mark Sanford?, lol
William Kristol is available for interviews as well. You should see who is bankrolling his new gig.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19/based-on-tax-filings-bill-kristols-been-a-democrat-for-years/
You take Mark, I’ll take Bill, ain’t much difference between the two.

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scenes

19 February 2020

re: BillT@7:59
I was scanning through Obama’s giant list o’ pardons and the like and ran into one that caught my eye.
Gen. James Cartwright, USMC who was on the JCS. From wikipedia:
“Cartwright was accused of providing classified information that was published in the book Confront and Conceal by David Sanger.[3] During the course of the investigation, Cartwright agreed to be interviewed by the FBI without a lawyer present.[4] He was indicted for lying to the FBI regarding the time and locations of meetings with Sanger.[4] Cartwright was never charged with leaking any classified information; Sanger maintains that Cartwright did not provide him with any classified material”
I can’t say that I’m surprised. Something is seriously broken here.

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: odlaw | 19 February 2020 at 07:27 AM
,,,sure is quiet around here….
All of a sudden there is no talk from the big Tea Party Freedom Caucus about the state of our debt and deficit???
Buncha hypocrites???
Never quiet around here dugsKKKi……side note….do you make the poor unfortunates who eventually wind up as protein work around the casa first or is it straight onto the grill?
Anyway…..scenes summed it up nicely……whatever chance this country had to wrestle its debt down passed in the late 90’s…..matters certainly weren’t helped by guys like you who I’m quite sure denigrated “The Tea Party” mercilessly. 2008/2009 rolls around and Obama decided to just bend over and let the banks have their way with him to the tune of 8 TRILLION TAX PAYER DOLLARS!
…..from the Chicago rumors I doubt this was the the horror for “Bathhouse Barry” that any other normal would feel in a similar situation!
President Trump’s abandonment of fiscal responsibility will prove disastrous — whether we think about it or not. His State of the Union address underscored his own thinking; it was long on pander and did not address our country’s bleak financial state.
Yet amazingly, conservatives whom I have long respected somehow look the other way.’’’
– – – New York Times
Such a progressive dugsKKKI……always looking for someone to save you from yourself! Had Darth Menopause prevailed, the spending profile would be similar……and I’m fairly certain that there wouldn’t have been a peep out of you!
Buncha hypocrites indeed!

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,I guess no more complaints will come from the Self Righteous Right Wingers regarding how much debt and deficit Bernie runs up during his administration since as Lil Oosik says the debt has been out of control since the the Bush years…cause that would be kind of hypocritical!!!
https://www.facebook.com/mothererinteresa/photos/a.215018791992757/1085819554912672/?type=1&theater

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Two minutes of Buck on ‘Trump is a dictator and will declare martial law!’ lol.
https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/videos/559351094681711/
Where do these nutjobs come from??

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Paul Emery

19 February 2020

Scenes writes:
Scenes writes:
“I don’t expect anyone to change the debt numbers downward much.”
So was Trump lying or ignorant when he promised to balance the budget in his first term?
“Shortly before his inauguration, he told Sean Hannity that he would “balance the budget very quickly … I think over a five-year period. And I don’t know, maybe I could even surprise you.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promises-reduce-debt-treasury-report-increase-22-trillion-58cd816be744/”

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Odlog
There is a big difference between adding 1.2 trillion to the deficient and adding 30, 50, 90 trillion in debt, much of which are job killing economy wrenching proposals, not to mention out of the mainstream.
*Recommendation: Perhaps someone like Rand Paul would be more to your liking. He is a lone voice decrying government spending. Of course, he has that libertarian streak that the progressives find so abhorrent.
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10157079589435914/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10157088306845914/?type=3&theater

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: odlaw | 19 February 2020 at 08:36 AM
“Save us…..oh Republicans SAVE US FROM OUR OWN SELVES……….WE GOT THE FEVAH AND CAINT’S CONTROLS IT!!!!”
Get over yourself dug…….you didn’t care when O’Dummy was spending more money than any human in the history of the world spent to save banking institutions!!
You….only…..care…..because ….it…isn’t …..”your”…..guy!
…..I had no idea you were such a crony capitalist!

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 February 2020 at 08:39 AM
So was Trump lying or ignorant when he promised to balance the budget in his first term?
Whaddya care Punchybot? He’ll still be president in either case!

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

“So was Trump lying or ignorant when he promised to balance the budget in his first term?”
I dunno. The quotes the Punch Drunk One posted said 5 years. Trump has been Office 3 years. 5 years vs first term? Punchybot at work again.
But…but….but what about poor Germany who cannot afford to pay their fair share of their NATO obligations? What about the poor Kurds who Punchy donated money to those fine female fighters? Who is going to pay for their defense? What about the poor illegals who are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their family? Who is going to pay for their health care? What about poor NPR? Government has to subsidize them….and 18% of my salary!!!!
As we foun

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scenes

19 February 2020

Paul Emery: “So was Trump lying or ignorant when he promised to balance the budget in his first term?”
Probably ignorant. As I said, most of the budget is mandatory so Paul Emery can get things like highly subsidized health insurance.
I think it’s just the nature of government, and the bigger the government the more extreme the results. Think of it as a kind of gaming problem. Elected official gain very little from cutting spending and can gain a lot by increasing it. Appointed officials gain nothing from cutting spending. I suppose you can avoid this by living in a high-functioning monoculture, but those are rare.
Eventually it’ll all crash and burn just like it always does. In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to try to maintain and protect the underlying culture so that it lives through the interregnum. It’s a bummer that the Blue Mob is on the other side of that equation, but that’s why they are the enemies of civilization.

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scenes

19 February 2020

comma-man “,I guess no more complaints will come from the Self Righteous Right Wingers regarding how much debt and deficit Bernie runs up during his administration s”
Well, there’s self-righteous-right-wingers and there’s self-righteous-right-wingers. You’ll run into different flavors here I expect.
Personally, I think a Tоварищ Bernie administration would be quite a riot to watch. It would give my declining years more interest. You could argue that from a long history view, it’s better to crash and burn the country early rather than late.
Truth is, looking at the problems a force of nature like Trump has had with the Permanent Bureacracy, a gracile character like Sanders would either be co-opted, walled up in the cellar of the White House, or come down with a mysterious disease in a New York Minute. The war for control is touch and go at the minute and a character like Bernie simply isn’t up to it, regardless of his independent-guy street cred.

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,Scenes and Bill…you two should get your stories straight…
Bill is going off the deep end with his bizarre claims…”’There is a big difference between adding 1.2 trillion to the deficient and adding 30, 50, 90 trillion in debt, much of which are job killing economy wrenching proposals, not to mention out of the mainstream.”’
Bill forgot there is such a thing as Congress and they will have to work out the details of whatever The Bern wants…
We need to wait and see if The Bern even makes it to the Convention…

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,here you go boys…this has been lost in the news with Trump always needy for attention from the press and Twitter Nation…
https://www.indiatimes.com/culture/who-we-are/these-are-the-13-families-in-the-world-that-apparently-control-everything-from-politics-to-terrorism-257642.html

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,Yo Bill…was this a Freudian slip…
https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10157079589435914/?type=3&theater
The Constitution does not seem to be helping the people restrain the Trumpopotumus…

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Walt

19 February 2020

These two know they would die in office if they were elected.
They are just looking for a State funeral.
https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders-mike-bloomberg-heart-health-5edd90cd-4b40-42ee-9834-e65dfe54c3c5.html
“Mike Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaigns sparred Wednesday over which 78-year-old is in better cardiac health.”
Neither one really care how bad the screw up the nation, since either one would never live to see the damage done. They prefer to take the nation to the grave with them.

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: odlaw | 19 February 2020 at 09:46 AM
UR funny when you start to lose arguments and begin to flail around wildly!
Enjoy some nice Salvadoran……that always brightens your mood!

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

“We need to wait and see if The Bern even makes it to the Convention.”
The Bernie Dude will make it to the Convention. What, he is going to drop out? Look who is heading in CA. Drew 17,000 in Tacoma.
The problem here as I see it is the Bernie & Co are too far left for the liberals, and now too far left for the Progressives. That leaves it just right for the Socialists. Oh, you can add the Democrat label to before or after the word Socialist, but it’s still Commie-light….for now.
The Dems are pulling out all the stops to stop Bernie. Biden is still in the race. Short Round is rising in CA. Best to hang on to that baby formula, young mothers. Short Round is coming after mothers and demand they lactate. Those boobs are not just for looking at. Chop, chop.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-is-literally-hiding-baby-formula-from-new-mothers-to-encourage-breast-feeding-2012-7/lightbox?r=AU&IR=T

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Walt

19 February 2020

Fish.. “start to lose”?? It’s lost before it begins.
That’s what happens when he cooks a baby goat in it’s mother’s milk.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Scenes @ 9:43 am
“Personally, I think a Tоварищ Bernie administration would be quite a riot to watch. It would give my declining years more interest. You could argue that from a long history view, it’s better to crash and burn the country early rather than late.”
Oh, the popcorn will taste soooo good.
I present for your consideration a Short Round vs Trump battle royale. Imagine the trash talk produced by two New Yorkers. They are already going at it this morning on Twitter.

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scenes

19 February 2020

from comma-man’s news o’ the day:
“This is about the fascinating conspiracy theory that claims these most powerful families in the world own 99% of the wealth, leaving 1% for the rest of the world to fight over.”
While I can’t say that they have the right families or the right percentage, money does tend to pool in a few places. Of course, it isn’t like these people all eat 1000 sammiches a day or hoard all the good stuff, the funds mostly are reloaned out as bonds or by buying stocks. It’s funny how so many great minds think that Good Things Happen when you liberate that money to give to The People. It’s a form of cargo cult where the evil rich people are hiding all the hamburgers.
What’s worth thinking about is just why people get so rich and what to do about it if anything. Some business concepts are natural monopolies, which is why God invented antitrust law (or until they changed the point of it), but oddly a lot of it is due to .gov intervention in markets.
Generally, if your choices are one of two things:
1) Make business more competitive. A lot of wealth disparity (most?) is because of lack of competition and general fluidity in markets.
2) Allow rich people to get really rich. Confiscate a lot of the money. Give to your friends.
While Republicans don’t seem to think much about #1, Democrats are fully behind #2. Any ‘party’ made out of squabbling identity groups (plus the smattering of self-hating WASPs of course) is bound to be about the green after all.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Barr is UnAmerican! And the beat goes on. BBDS.
‘The Left has worked itself into a panic over the attorney general.
Can the republic survive Attorney General William Barr?’
“That’s the question that has seized the media and center-left, which have worked themselves into a full-blown panic over an attorney general who is, inarguably, a serious legal figure and one of the adults in the room late in President Trump’s first term.“…..
“At the end of the day, they really don’t want Trump to have an attorney general, but that’s not going to happen. If they force Barr out — or more likely, Trump’s continued tweeting pushes him over the edge — they’ll miss him when he’s gone.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/bill-barr-derangement-syndrome-left-panic-over-attorney-general/

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

India. What’s the big deal. The wall is only a half kilometer long.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/indian-city-builds-wall-hiding-slum-ahead-of-trump-visit-1.4176536

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: Walt | 19 February 2020 at 10:12 AM
Fish.. “start to lose”?? It’s lost before it begins.
Now Walt….don’t discourage the boy……you’d flail too if you’d staked your entire being on lefty politics.

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Walt

19 February 2020

Soros is up to his old dirty tricks again.
George is upset that only 95% of conservative content is blocked.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/19/george-soros-calls-for-removal-of-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-for-helping-trump-get-re-elected/
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“George Soros: Mark Zuckerberg Should Not Be in Control of Facebook.” Soros discussed the social media giant Facebook and stated that he doesn’t believe the company’s CEO Mark Zuckerberg — who controls 53 percent of voting shares of Facebook — should be in charge of the platform.”

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fish

19 February 2020

Posted by: Walt | 19 February 2020 at 12:21 PM
Somebody should remind György that when he owns 50.01% he can make that call. Until then……

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Walt

19 February 2020

Enjoy Lefties,, it’s a battle of your Commie oligarchs looking to buy our election.
They have already bought their way into the DNC. When you plunk down big bucks, the rules get changed
DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083
D.N.C. Rules Change for Nevada Debate Could Open Door for Bloomberg
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/dnc-democratic-debate-rules.html
Accuse DNC Chair of Changing Rules for Mike Bloomberg’s Benefit
https://www.newsweek.com/tomperezresign-trends-2020-democrats-accuse-dnc-chair-changing-rules-michael-bloombergs-benefit-1485545
Sure LIBS, your side is on the up and up.
“Rules?,, WE don’t need no STINK’N rules.”

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Paul Emery

19 February 2020

So Bill admits he doesn’t know if Trump lied or was ignorant about his pledge to balnance the budget within 5 years. What other options could there be? This is a slap in the face to whatever Tea Party types are still active who bought his bullshit campaign promise in the last campaign.

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scenes

19 February 2020

Walt: ‘Sure LIBS, your side is on the up and up. “Rules?,, WE don’t need no STINK’N rules.”‘
To be fair, the parties (or in the case of the ‘Democrats’ a coalition of mobs) can probably make it up as they go along.
$70B will buy you a lot of Democrats, maybe enough to win a primary. If nothing else, they should all expect a payoff at the end if the general election is successful. All of the mobs and mini-mobs that make up Team Blue each have their own kinks and should get something for their trouble.
NPC cartoon o’ the day.
https://i.redd.it/uv7owp561wh41.jpg

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scenes

19 February 2020

PaulE@1:32PM “What other options could there be?” Maybe he doesn’t know.
Still confused what a pardon is? Maybe KVMR could use some of that sweet grant money to hire a fact checker.

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George Rebane

19 February 2020

Even the marginally numerate reader understands that when unemployment is at historical lows and above the economists’ ‘full employment level’, that the creation of new jobs becomes much more difficult – it’s the equivalent of ‘diminishing returns’ as capacity is achieved.
PaulE 132pm – you’ve been drizzling on for the last couple of years about Trump’s ‘lies’, especially including his ‘lie’ about balancing the budget in his first year. If that standard of a politician’s campaign promises related to his achievements were applied universally, what do you think EVERY politician’s truth-telling record would be? You should really give all of us a break and toss out that old broken record – there must be something new you can bring to this party.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

Oh Punchy, you are a quite the entertaining one.
Has Trump been in office for 5 years? I didn’t think so. However, when you think, assume, fear, or express your concerns, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
“I am concerned that Trump has no foreign policy experience and Putin will play him like a toy,” ad infinitum.

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,”’LONDON (AP) — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange plans to claim during an extradition hearing that the Trump administration offered him a pardon if he agreed to say Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic National Committee emails during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, a lawyer for Assange said Wednesday.
Assange is being held at a British prison while fighting extradition to the United States on spying charges. His full court hearing is due to begin next week.
At a preliminary hearing held Wednesday in London, lawyer Edward Fitzgerald said that now-former Republican congressman, Dana Rohrabacher, visited Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in August 2017.
Fitzgerald said a statement from another Assange lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, recounted “Mr. Rohrabacher going to see Mr. Assange and saying, on instructions from the president, he was offering a pardon or some other way out, if Mr. Assange … said Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.”’

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Gregory

19 February 2020

GR 157pm
Punchy doesn’t think, he just punches what he thinks are soft spots.
If he thought about it, he might decide Trump was just naive about the difficulty of getting legislation passed when half of them are scheming about a palace coup.
At the time, he didn’t have a clue that he’d be hounded from before day one.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

There is an old saying that every candidate for President runs as a dove…until they sit behind the desk in the Oval Office. Things change as more information becomes available after the inauguration.
Do you realize how much of the budget is discretionary spending? Not much as ar as percentages go. The lion’s share is on automatic pilot.

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odlaw

19 February 2020

,,,Trumpskiii’s Military Renunion Porn SOU chapter is a fail!!!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/reunion-porn-military-wives-trump-001434882.html

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Walt

19 February 2020

A good read about Shorty,
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/02/19/nolte-fascist-history-tiny-tyrant-mike-bloomberg/
“Short Person Syndrome is indeed real. To compensate for their height, or lack thereof, some short people — especially men — look to become authority figures to compensate: supervisors, hall monitors, security guards, soldiers, police officers, and politicians.
Billionaire businessman Michael Bloomberg is five feet, seven inches tall, and is so self-conscious about his height, he claimed to be five foot ten on a driver’s license. Oh, and he also became a fascist authoritarian; a tiny tyrant determined to control everyone else’s life.
Someone with an authoritarian streak is frightening enough in your everyday walk of life — as a family member, neighbor, or heaven forbid, a boss. A Tiny Tyrant is frightening enough as a mayor — say, a mayor of New York City. But in that case you can at least move to another city.
Now imagine a Tiny Tyrant as president of the United States.
You want to leave the country?
Like all left-wing tyrants — Stalin, Hitler, Mao — Michael Bloomberg arrives bursting with good intentions.
He only wants to help, you see.
He only wants to make the world a better place, you see.
He knows what’s best for you, and understands you’re either too stupid to know what’s best for you or too undisciplined to do what’s best for you, so he’s gonna take care of you by creating laws –lotsa, lotsa, lotsa, lotsa laws…”
So we know who Emery is going to vote for.

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Bill Tozer

19 February 2020

George Rebane replies to the Punch Drunk One with “there must be something new you can bring to this party.”
Nah, he is still fighting the last Bush battles. Don Rumsfeld, Scotter Libby, and Dick Cheney! Anything and everything to not talk about tonight’s thriller in Vegas.
Ok, I will bring up the Leftinistas’ dilemma.
Bernie up 32-14 over Biden (and the rest of the field in CA and much more!
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TODAY’S CAMPAIGN NOTEBOOK
“Idle exit question: I wonder if Bloomberg has invested in popcorn futures?”
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/todays-campaign-notebook.php

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odlaw

19 February 2020

Posted by: Walt | 19 February 2020 at 02:27 PM
,,,BWAHAHAHA…and how much does Boss Hogg, I mean Trumpskiii, weigh???
Trump is like George Washington…he cannot tell a lie…
BWAHAHAHA

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Walt

19 February 2020

Dougy and the LIBS would rather see VETS come home in boxes and the family cry over them. How dare Trump show a live one coming home.
That’s the family friendly kind of “porn” Dougy.

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Mary Wanna

19 February 2020

Hey Paul I missed the local candidate town halls. What do the Board of Supervisor candidates think about Nevada County approving cannabis dispensaries and manufacturing areas? Or will Nevada City remain the cannabis business incubator?

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