Rich Ulery – CA escapee writes

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Rich Ulery – CA escapee writes

19 June 2019

[Rich Ulery was a longtime resident of Nevada County. As a professional realtor Rich found time to give generously to the community through various leadership positions he held in civic organizations. He also served as the chairman of the NC Republican Central Committee. Rich and his bride are among the great exodus from California, having pulled up stakes and moving to Arizona last year. I post Rich’s email as received by permission. gjr]

Hi George,

I read that Nevada County supervisors just approved the 2019-20 budget of $258 million. While I understand the difficulty of comparing two different county budgets in two different states, I do find it interesting that Pima County, Arizona is wrestling with the approval of its $1.4 billion budget. Pima County has slightly more than 10 times the population of Nevada County, meaning that it costs Nevada County taxpayers almost 2X what it costs Pima County taxpayers to operate the county government.

Certainly, the impact of Federal and State mandates and differing demographics will pollute this comparison. There are also cost of living considerations, although I will assure you that Nevada County COL is not double Pima County — not even close. I will also assure you that Pima County has negligible unfunded pension liabilities. I suspect Nevada County is still hovering close to $200 million.

I'm not sure what conclusions, if any, to draw from this, but I found it at least intriguing.

Rich Ulery

Posted in California, Current Affairs, Nevada County

58 responses to “Rich Ulery – CA escapee writes”

Jeff Pelline

19 June 2019

That “secure the border” narrative of the NCRP is more real for Rick now! And imagine the cost of running an air conditioner 24/7 to cope with those 100 degree temperatures this week! I love the Golden State.

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JeffPelline

19 June 2019

Correction: Rich

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Don Bessee

19 June 2019

The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land is as good an editor as ever.
😉

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Jeff Pelline

19 June 2019

Don,
I caught my typo. You sound miserable all the time. When are you going to become a CA escapee?

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Todd Juvinall

19 June 2019

If I recall PG and E is the costliest utility in America. A person in Arizona may still find it cheaper running the A?C 24/7.
My daughter and her hubby were liberals until a couple of years ago. What changed? They were crashed into by an illegal immigrant driver. Then they were made aware of all the coddling those people get while they, insurance payers, were screwed over by the system. San Jose has thousands of these illegals all driving without insurance and living three or more families to an apartment. Idaho is their next stop and they are now Republicans. Their 1100 SF rental at 4K a month will become a 1500 SF home being built as I write this. And the payment will be a third.

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Gregory

19 June 2019

Swamp coolers are very effective in AZ, and electricity in the formerly Golden State of California costs 50% more than it does in Arizona.
But, I understand Jeff’s concern… sweating like a pig in the summer isn’t fun, is it, big guy?
I’ve relatives in Arizona, and the family house of many years was in a development in the middle of Tucson that didn’t have paved roads, just the local sand. Kept it much cooler in the heat of the day and it cooled off nicely after the sun went down.

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Jeff Pelline

19 June 2019

Gregory,
You’re kidding, right? Swamp coolers and a “family house” with no paved roads, just sand. Enjoy! BTW, Those noisy, drippy swamp coolers were “common in neighborhoods across the region starting in the 1940s, but have been in sharp decline since the late ’80s.” https://bit.ly/2KoqZow

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Scott O

19 June 2019

Hey Todd – what area of Idaho?
Anyway – a big welcome to them.
I’m starting to see a lot of window decals with the outline of the state and the message is: Go Home, We’re Full!

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Don Bessee

19 June 2019

The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land is projecting again@412. LOL
Didn’t ya hear, we live large in the Alta Sierra neighborhoods! You should roll 18 holes.
😉

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Bill Tozer

19 June 2019

Well, guess we are back to “California, love it or leave it.”
When Walt posted a video clip of VHD on Fox the other day, it struck me that VDH is not one prone to hyperbole nor exaggeration. Historians are that way, I reckon. Thus, when VDH made a Road Warrior and 3rd World references, I had to hunt the link down to get a better handle on it.
Aha. It’s the middle class that is leaving. The rich and poor are staying. Just like the 3rd World. Oh, how the Lefties romanize the poor and worship being our tEnlightened Betters far from the stink…..with lots of security. Two classes, rich and poor. Yeah, tin horn dictatorships are that way. One party states are that way. Iran once had a thriving middle class right before the arrival of the “Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla”…..that reference stolen from the verbal introduction of The Lord Humungous in the movie Road Warrior. Snuck that one in, but on to the topic at hand.
“But by some indicators, the California middle class is shrinking — because of massive regulation, high taxation, green zoning, and accompanying high housing prices. Out-migration from the state remains largely a phenomenon of the middle and upper-middle classes. Millions have left California in the past 30 years, replaced by indigent and often illegal immigrants, often along with the young, affluent, and single.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/california-third-world-state-corruption-crime-infrastructure/

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Jig Wiggly

19 June 2019

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
You people are too stupid to follow that simple advice.
Here you are supplicants to some guy who had the balls to follow his convictions and move out among the cactus and kangaroo rats, yet here you are bitching and moaning about what a shit hole place California is to live. And you don’t have it in you to pull up stakes and go live among yer own kind. Go! Git!
Can’t feel sorry for a pack of whiners who do nothing but whine. All bark and no bite, no natural born teeth among you.

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Bill Tozer

19 June 2019

I tried to nicely warn him, Don. Like Jap is short for Japanese, but not quite as derogatory as the “j” word, but still highly offensive and not used in either polite or impolite company.

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Scott O

19 June 2019

Wiggly Pig – what’s upsetting you? You got yer little rich white boy to run the state into the ground like you wanted.
Or don’t you like folks that point out the plane’s headed for a hard landing?
I wouldn’t poke at conservatives with that line about all bark and no bite. Keep trying to take away Constitutional rights and you might find out why we have the 2nd A

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Bill Tozer

19 June 2019

Oh, Ozzie already gave his heart felt impassioned reading of “There is no place like Home” where the boys can ride their dirt bikes, he absolutely loves here and do’t forget those golden oldie hits like “Best Place to Live”, “Be True To Your Schoo”, “Born and Raised” , blah blah, blah, “California, love it or leave”…and “don’t call my old piece of junk an old piece of junk”. “Jed, California is the place to be”, so he loaded up. his truck and moved Beverley……hills that is.” Spare me.
He sure was whining like a little snowflake whenhe paid h 2018 taxes, lol.

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Barry Pruett

19 June 2019

We too will be leaving California in the not distant future…because our children are planning on leaving. Our daughter (who we are vacationing with in San Sebastián and Wijk aan Zee right now) already lives in Netherlands and will be moving home to the USA to Reno as there are more opportunities for her little family in Nevada. Another daughter soon graduates from college (Cal Poly) with plans on leaving California as well. Another daughter plans on Europe followed by a US return outside California. They find that California is too expensive for them and for a couple of them (including my native Californian wife) California is frankly too crazy. California will become the land of old hippies and failed socialism as the kids head for greener pastures. These stories above are facts and not empty rhetoric. Give it this census or the next and California will be losing population and representation in Congress. Anyway thank you for your thoughts George.
On another note my friends here in Spain shockingly love Donald Trump. If you believe our news you’d think the world hates DJT and that does not seem to be the case at all.

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Bill Tozer

19 June 2019

VDH: “Another chief characteristic of a Third World society is the official denial of all of the above, and a vindictive, almost hysterical state response to anyone who points out those obvious tragedies. Another is massive out-migration. Residents prefer almost any country other than their own. Think Somalia, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, or Guatemala.
“Does 21st-century California increasingly fit that definition — despite having the nation’s most amenable climate and most beautiful and diverse geography, with major natural ports facing the dynamic Asian economies, and being naturally rich in timber, agriculture, mining, and energy, and blessed with a prior century’s inheritance of effective local and state government?”
NOW WATCH: ‘5 Points with R

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

Jeff Pelline. Again with no valid arguments but only empty rhetoric. I do appreciate your tenacity and advocacy for your failing homeland. We’ll eat a few pintxos for you tonight. 😂

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fish

20 June 2019

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 19 June 2019 at 10:43 PM
As soon as the youngest is finished with High School we are out as well! I’d go to Reno but there are too many Californians there and home and land prices have skyrocketed! If you have paid any attention to the Reno media they are starting to sound an awful lot like Dysfunction Junction to the West.
I need to find a post career career!

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

I start my masters/PhD in September. Post career career. Lol.

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fish

20 June 2019

Posted by: Jig Wiggly | 19 June 2019 at 09:19 PM
Strong words from the “Man (men….Trans man?) of 1000 Alias(es?) posting as Piggly Wiggly!
Oh you can rest assured that we will follow our convictions soon enough……and mock you and your Proglodyte brethren incessantly on the way out!
Don’t you go dying on me just yet……there’s plenty of insults yet to hurl!

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fish

20 June 2019

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 20 June 2019 at 07:08 AM
Well make sure you consult with jeffy first……you know how upset he would be if you went to another educational institution that doesn’t meet his lofty standards!

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fish

20 June 2019

Wow……I say again wow! This thread got jeffy nearly as worked up as all those State of Jefferson threads. You should bill him for a personal training session George!

jeffpelline says:
June 20, 2019 at 5:57 am
More escapees from California to come at Rebane’s Rants! One of them obviously feels right at home in Idaho: “Keep trying to take away Constitutional rights and you might find out why we have the 2nd A.”
And another warns us: “California will become the land of old hippies and failed socialism as the kids head for greener pastures.” And “Give it this census or the next and California will be losing population and representation in Congress.” ROFLOL!
Is this what is meant by “failed socialism”? https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fortune-500-california-20170607-story.html Or this? https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-economy-gdp-20180504-story.html Adios!

Atta boy jeffy!

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Gregory

20 June 2019

Jeffie 516pm
Yes, Jeff. Swamp coolers and natural land and vegetation make for livable conditions in Pima County. Tucson, not Phoenix. The head of the household was the Tucson City Att’y and the real head of the household was a QA manager at the Hughes Aircraft Company plant just south of the airport, so A/C and roads were in the affordable range.
Now, the point you didn’t touch with a ten foot fork… that the same kilowatt-hour costs 50% more in California. Why is that, Jeff?

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Gregory

20 June 2019

Another fun fact… the wedding that united the couple in Tucson was attended by a friend of the bride, Margaret Sanger. Yes, that Margaret Sanger.

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

Omgsh. Where do I start? As Pelline makes fun of me for being born and raised in a blue collar and very poor neighborhood which is absolutely true, he attempts to appear cultured. In fact there is no real “happy hour” in San Sebastián as most establishments are closed from four until eight. Dinner does not really start until 10pm. A cultured person who went to Cal should seemingly know that. Yet another example of Pelline being a stroke. 😂

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fish

20 June 2019

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 20 June 2019 at 08:58 AM
Where do I start? As Pelline makes fun of me for being born and raised in a blue collar and very poor neighborhood which is absolutely true, he attempts to appear cultured.
Yes……his “silver spoon” never left the gravy boat….err …..train…. it seems……. and really, just much overpriced education do you need to eventually wind up publishing a glossy advertising circular?
We should “Dig Deeper”!

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George Rebane

20 June 2019

Barry – When is your move scheduled, and what do you intend to study for your PhD?

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

History PhD. We are projecting out of the USA by 2024

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Gregory

20 June 2019

Jeffie…
The term is Swamp cooler, not “swamp fans” and early 20th century is before 1950. My references are entirely latter 20th and early 21st century.
That math issue of yours… your kid might be able to help you if you are too proud to ask anyone here for help.
‘

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

Why is everything with Pelline a dick measuring contest? Who knows more than whom? Who is more worldly? Lol. Regular people don’t care about that shit. Regular people respect others who respect them regardless of anything other than character. Over the past 10 years Pelline has shown his character to be non-existent. A happy life is found in the delighting in the mundane and living the good life. Maybe Pelline should search and do a little introspection to find the good, but a narcissist can’t do that as it is outside of their mental capacity. That said, Pelline is a microcosm of what is wrong with California. Folks imposing “their” good in place of “the” good. Certainly such discussion is vastly beyond Pelline’s intellectual capabilities. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Jig Wiggly

20 June 2019

“Escapee” makes it sound as if someone is keeping you here against your own free well. Rest assured, you are here because you choose to stay. You LOVE California but are ashamed to admit it because the COJ has invested too much time bad mouthing it among themselves. Actions speak louder than words. You are victims of your own desires. Enjoy another round at Darkhorse.

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Don Bessee

20 June 2019

The jig is up @1150 –
😉

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Robert Cross

20 June 2019

“Folks imposing “their” good in place of “the” good.” —— Isn’t that true of the current political atmosphere in general; the us vs. them mentality rather than ‘we’? Who gets to define ‘the good’, you? For example, more people believe that human accelerated climate change is a problem than those who do not, yet the current administration is filled with mineral extraction advocates who deny the problem even exists. To me that is imposing ‘their/your good’ (making a profit and protecting billions of dollars in investments) over ‘the good’ of the entire planet (mitigating the causes before it’s too late, if it isn’t already).

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Bill Tozer

20 June 2019

Hey Robert,
Take it to the Sandbox.

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

Mr. Cross: You are confusing the beliefs of the majority with the Truth. Those two things are often not the same.

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jig wiggly

20 June 2019

Robt 12:17
The “good of the entire planet” is in the hands of a deranged and pathological liar. He is now asking us to believe him so that he can justify a war. Funny how this happens immediately after his personal pollsters tell him his popularity is sinking like a stone.

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Robert Cross

20 June 2019

Mr. Pruett — you are confusing politically/economically tainted opinion with the the truth. Those two are never the same.

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Robert Cross

20 June 2019

Jig wiggly — Starting wars to enhance re-election chances is the core strategy of non-popular vote winning presidents.. Wag the Dog seems to fit here as it did with Bush’s contrived war.

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Russ

20 June 2019

Robert@12:17 PM
Robert, please check out these ice core temperature records and you will see that human accelerated climate change is NOT a problem.
https://wordpress.com/post/nextgrandminimum.com/3615
The data behind these charts are available to the public and you can validate the result yourself. The world is cooling and humans have little influence over the process. See the last series of charts in the paper, comparing CO2 increases and temperature change.

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Barry Pruett

20 June 2019

Exactly Russ. Belief versus facts. My daughter still believes in Santa Claus.

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Scott O

20 June 2019

“…yet the current administration is filled with mineral extraction advocates…”
Oh no, not them!
Bobby has never used an extracted mineral in his entire life. All his minerals come from the mineral tree in his backyard.

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Gregory

20 June 2019

The truth? Juggly Wuggly and Bobbi Crossman, you can’t handle the truth.
Much as the true believers think the evenly split Nevada County is true-blue, they also think the evenly split between believer and skeptic/scoffer on climate in the USA is equally Blue.
We have an impasse with a scientifically illiterate population being swayed mostly by their political tribal elders, with the loudest voices being the most scientifically illiterate, sure of their impending demise unless vast amounts of cash are flung at the problem, with their high priests doling out the cash.
We also have a largely cowed scientific elite unwilling to challenge the direction their profession is being driven by the true believers at the top who can make or break most any career. So knowledgeable skeptics and scoffers tend to keep their head down.
It does appear there is a prediction in the short term that may break the impasse. Zharkova has a credible prediction of a grand solar minimum starting in 2020, with the minimum lasting until 2055. This will either be accompanied by cold weather and, at the deepest points, failed harvests, or it won’t.
Place your bets, gentlemen, ladies.

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George Rebane

20 June 2019

For the record – given the actions of Iran over the last 6+ months (let alone their long-term record of terror), President Trump is proceeding in a most measured pace not responding to existential provocations that would justify massive retaliatory counter-strikes. Only those ignorant of history or promoting a political narrative continue to tell the great unwashed that this president is rushing into “starting wars” (which may yet have to be started).

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Don Bessee

20 June 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/situation-room-briefing-on-iran-crisis-concludes-as-mcconnell-says-measured-response-coming
😉

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Bill Tozer

20 June 2019

From Rich’s e-mail above.
“ I will also assure you that Pima County has negligible unfunded pension liabilities. I suspect Nevada County is still hovering close to $200 million.”
Wow. That is incredible. Negligible? Someone has been a good steward of the tax payers’ money and planned for a rainy day. Good job.
There are hundreds of articles for the reason(s) people and businesses are leaving CA, so we got that covered. There have been scores of articles on the CA ticking time bomb, aka, unfounded pension liabilities, so why not one more? The young ones and new immigrants will get stuck holding the tab. BTW, It was a shame that a hunk of the gas tax (the one before the last one) was siphoned off to pay for our share of unfounded pension costs and, of course, the general fund. Thus, another gas hike…..to get us through to the next tax hike.
In CA, we invest in socially conscious companies……because Virtue Signaling feels so good.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/20/youre-hook-trillions-public-pension-overpromises-leftist-divestment-making-worse/

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Rock Hunter

20 June 2019

So when are you leaving Bill? Sounds like California is sucking you dry financially as well as politically. Only a fool would stick around when that is their mindset and belief. Don’t let the door slam you on the butt.
Speaking of predicting the future. Buy a season pass to Darkhorse like all the other Repelican fools who couldn’t put a wet finger in the air and figure out what was going to happen?

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Don Bessee

20 June 2019

Why do all the trolls sound so much alike? Just sayin’
😉

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Walt

20 June 2019

Darkhorse? You mean the one that will be CLOSED for the Summer?
You buy one first. Oh.. wait….

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Walt

20 June 2019

And the train of Uhauls will only get longer.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/high-tax-state-exodus-accelerate
“The cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions has already begun to drive Opens a New Window. some residents away from high-tax Opens a New Window. states like New York and New Jersey, but experts say that trend is only going to intensify.
“It took a few months for taxpayers to realize the dollar implications – until they actually filed their tax returns this year,” Alan Goldenberg, a principal at Friedman LLP, told FOX Business. “It quantified the impact of the loss of the SALT deduction when people saw it in front of their eyes on their tax return.” ”
It won’t be long before Gavin and the tax maggots dream up a hefty exit tax. “What? your leaving? Tough,, your money stays here.”

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Gregory

20 June 2019

Rock Fudgeman 525pm
I’m sticking around just to be a pest to people like you, and I’m looking forward to large helping of schadenfreude when it all falls apart.
Looking forward especially to the Audrey Denney campaign coming up! She wasted over a million bucks of OPM in ’18… how much will her futile virtue signaling cost supporters in 2020? We… shall… see.

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