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Sandbox – 28jan19

28 January 2019

[… and I would also draw your kind attention to the 28jan19 update of the last Ruminations. gjr]

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286 responses to “Sandbox – 28jan19”

Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

Fish on last stream
But when a gal is hot why would a male not acknowledge that? LOL! Maybe they are confused about which of the 67 genders they are?

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Fox is now on Trumps poop list. This man has no friends
President Donald Trump lashed out at his favorite network on Sunday, accusing two Fox News journalists of having “less understanding” of his proposed border wall than the “fake news” at his usual media targets, CNN and NBC.
Trump specifically called out the network’s chief White House correspondent John Roberts and Washington correspondent Gillian Turner:

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Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

Still President

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

Changing gears briefly,………. has anybody seen Murder Mountain on Netflix? It’s a six week series and I keep hearing about by people who don’t smoke pot, but are glued to their sets and spellbound by it. Investigative series. Guys with semi-automatic rifles slung over their backs wizzing by local LE on ATVs and the cops don’t even know who they are. Two girls from Wisconsin take the bus to the Emerald triangle are are never heard from again. Anyway, I don’t have Netflix but I may break down and get Roku for 7 bucks a month…..someday, but not today.
Anybody seen Murder Mountain? Sounds like the Wild West. Kinda like the border is now. In one area/office, the Arizona (or Texas) State Patrol napped 91 pounds of Fentanyl in November alone. That breaks down to something like 26 million doses. And that was their CHP, not the Border Patrol. Mercy.

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

George
Would you consider it obstruction of justice if Trump were to pardon someone to prevent them from testifying against him in a criminal matter?

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MMM

28 January 2019

,,,yes Todd,,,still an idiotic blowhard president

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MMM

28 January 2019

“They don’t go through your port of entry. They make a right turn going very quickly. They go into the desert areas, or whatever areas you can look at, and as soon as there is no protection they make a left or a right into the United States of America.”
…Wow,,,I had no idea how smugglers got in,,,
you make a right turn very quickly (((without flipping your car))),,,now you are travelling in an easterly direction,,,you now follow the wall until it ends and then make a left turn,,,or a right turn,,,no worries,,,and you are in the good ol USA!!!
,,,a very stable genius!!!

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MMM

28 January 2019

Who is this Dougski? I am a Russian bot.

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MMM

28 January 2019

,,,attention on deck,,,the USS brownfish has commenced spoofing operations!!!

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MMM

28 January 2019

ROFLMAO. No, it ain’t Fish, Sherlock. It’s me, silly. If you ever want to hear a thief scream bloody murder, just rip him off. If you ever want to see a troll hit the 5 alarm fire button, just troll him. Love and butterfly kisses, Dougski of Del Oro. Man, you were sobbing like a baby when they took your camera away. Glad you got it back. Man, it’s true. The squeaking wheel gets the grease. Crying like a baby wanting his binkie back.
I am sorry. You look like you can use a hug and some nice warm milk and graham crackers.

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fish

28 January 2019

Posted by: MMM | 28 January 2019 at 01:01 PM
Can confirm…….! Not my thing!

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George Rebane

28 January 2019

PaulE 1146am – Pardoning someone convicted of crime(s) does not prevent them from having to testify in any subsequent judicial proceeding. Pardoning is only possible for past (specific and documented) crimes, not crimes to come such as perjuring oneself in future sworn testimony.
But the promise of pardon for future testimony against the pardoner is definitely obstruction of justice. The problem here is how do you prove ‘the promise of pardon’. I cite this as a problem only for people who are not progressives, those for whom simple allegations of the promise of pardon is proof enough and sufficient to convict. Sufficient today, that is, in the court of public opinion, and soon in a court of law, depending on the progress of progressive power in the land.

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

Ok. It’s was me. I am so sorry, have no idea what came over me.
I promise to never do that again. Pinky promise. Cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in Dougie’s pie. No fingers crossed.
And a special deep regret expressed to our host who cringes at this sort of childish behavior. No, I won’t say, “What? Whatz yous expect from an irredeemable?” I offer no excuses. I will contemplate my actions and consider the innocent upon the Tree of Woe.
Like opening that jar of rotten eggs a kid has in his closet for some science experiment he was assigned the first day of 6th grade. You know you shouldn’t do it, but a weird quirk of temptation makes you open the jar anyway….knowing full well you shouldn’t do it. Or like picking a scab. H/T to a poster for that insight….last paragraph was his words about why he keeps going over to a certain unnamed blog. As a dog returns to his vomit. :).

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Thanks for your thoughtful response George. Let me give this some thought and I’ll get back to you. Busy for awhile.

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scenes

28 January 2019

re: Obstruction of justice.
I don’t know the answer, so I thought I’d ask the question.
Is threatening a potential witness with charges of their own considered obstruction of justice? If not, why not?

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

In the case of Roger Stone he’s already been arrested and charged scenes. Do you think it’s a crime to solicit for stolen material to use in a political campaign?

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Walt

28 January 2019

When the call goes out, see how many answer it.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/28/public-invited-funeral-air-force-veteran/

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scenes

28 January 2019

“Do you think it’s a crime to solicit for stolen material to use in a political campaign?”
That wasn’t my question, which was an honest one.
As to your question, since you never have answers, I’m not entirely sure.
If it is illegal, every campaign since G. Washington had operatives who should have been charged.
Is it illegal for a contractor for a political campaign to read Wikileaks? Is it illegal for reporters, or people who pretend to be, to look at information gotten through sketchy means? Should you go to jail?
I do so love this situation since the ‘crime’ was to expose dirty dealings within the Blue Mob. Hell, I’d put money in a Gofundme just to pay the Russians, or some other hackers, to expose people like Clinton. It’s money well spent.
Now, back to the Ann Coulter doll. It needs a little lovin’.

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George Rebane

28 January 2019

scenes 203pm – an excellent follow-on question Mr scenes, especially given the Mueller indictments and the history of his investigation.
PaulE 227pm – we’ve circled this barn many times since the summer of 2016. The general answer for that is NO, as long as the solicitor was not involved in the crime, the existence of the materials is publicly known, their current repositor has not been convicted of any related crime, and their transmission does not deplete the source. Were the answer YES, then no journalist would be able to cite ‘deep throat’ type information from confidential sources who clearly stole or obtained their information unlawfully. Using that kind of illegally obtained information is an everyday occurrence in our society. It should be doubly so for information, especially of the pejorative kind, that relates to candidates seeking to hide it from voters.

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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Going out with a whimper, 8 mins a ago –
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The probe of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, is wrapping up, Acting U.S. Attorney General Matthew Whitaker told reporters on Monday.
“I’ve been fully briefed on the investigation and I look forward to Director Mueller delivering the final report,” he said at a press conference on U.S. charges against China’s Huawei Technologies Co Ltd. “Right now the investigation is I think close to being completed and I hope that we can get the report from Director Mueller as soon as possible.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-probe-close-being-completed-acting-u-attorney-222315409.html
😉

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Walt

28 January 2019

Looks like the judge ain’t buying what Muller is selling.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/28/paul-manafort-sentencing-in-virginia-postponed-indefinitely/
“Last Friday, a federal judge said she would hold a hearing behind closed doors to determine whether Manafort intentionally lied to investigators, including about sharing polling data with a business associate the U.S. says has ties to Russian intelligence.”
“the judge said that she isn’t yet convinced, and her decision will impact how much time he gets behind bars. Jackson said some of Manafort’s arguments, particularly the idea that some defendants misstate facts and then correct them later on “have some force.” “Investigators shouldn’t have to pull teeth” to get the truth,” the judge said, adding that “not all the issues rise to the level of actual false statements.” “

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

Wikileaks. Everybody, but everybody was trying to figure out and get a heads up what WikiLeaks (Julian Assange) was going to release next. CNN, NYT, that birther Jerome Corsi and everybody was guessing and digging and try to find out what Assange had and what was he going to do next? Timing, any dirt? Seth Richards? Whether it is illegal to try to find out and see the goods by the press, no. By Jerome Corsi? Roger Stone? Trump? The sixty dollar question. I dunno.
What is important is if they got anything from Assange. Looks like Roger didn’t know anything before the dumps, and then we all knew the same thing. Some D campaign staffers called Bill Richards “Taco Bowl” and normal backroom chatter. Candid, embarrassing, but not that much about Hillary all in all. A few insights. Tabloid Heaven.
Lest we forget, not one e-mail or exchange was authored by Hillary.
Assange says he was not working with they Russians. Believe him or don’t.
Rumors were flying and Jerome Corsi was the biggest rumor hounddog around. And Roger lives for of that kind of stuff.
This is what Meller’s boyz are after. Corsi figures it out, put it together, and figures that Assange has some stuff and would be making drops in October 2016. How did he know? How could he put it together and figured out where the e-mails were and that WikiLeaks would be dumping something as an October “bombshell” surprise. That is what they are looking for.
As far as obstruction of justice and witness tampering and perjury, they will do what they do.
Roger does bring up a sorely needed point to be discussed.
The perjury charges the FBI and Justice Department nabs folks on sez: 1) it must knowingly and, just as important, it must be Material to the crime/case. Saying errorously that Joe Blow first told you and discussed a plan he hatched to you sometime in the last week in March when it was the first week in April is not Material to the crime. Saying knowingly you and Joe Blow did NOT talk about his plan is Material to the case and perjury.
For far too long the FBI and Justice have tripped up folks and charged them for perjury for minor mischaracterizations as practice that seems like it’s been going on forever. Rog will challenge his perjury chargers on the Material requirement.
Roger’s defense is simple. Everybody under the sun has been screaming for years, “Don’t listen to Stone, you can’t believe a word he says!” Roger’s defense will be “See, I have 1,0000s of pieces of evidence of everybody saying “you can’t believe anything I said. And these stupid G-Men clowns did? I call for a immediate dismissal of charges, your honor.”

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fish

28 January 2019

Yeah……at the bottom of the passage……“prissy”……who does that sound like?

“I grew up in a far-left college town, and I’ve known so many young people who were free spirits, who were nonconformists, who were determined to be themselves no matter what anyone else said, who had a passion for noisy music and experimental art, who listened to the color of their dreams . . . And back then, it didn’t seem incongruous that they were mostly on the left. Today, I see so many people on the left sternly admonishing a 16-year-old for having the wrong smile in the wrong place at the wrong time. That’s a prissy attitude which seems like the antithesis of so many lefties I’ve known.”

Indeed……todays lefty it seems is a delicate hothouse flower. Forever whining about……well everything!
sigh……the left used to have an edge about them that while not justifying their stupid politics made many of them interesting. I’ve heard that many were decent drinking companions!
Think Christopher Hitchens.
https://jaltcoh.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-im-still-talking-about-covington.html

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Russ

28 January 2019

If you did not watch Life Liberty and Levin on Fox News Sunday night, I suggest you take a look at this YouTube link. Mark and his guest examine the background of Muller’s lead prosecutor who is known for bending the law and setting purgery traps to get convictions.
https://youtu.be/r1AeCxnaMCE
Scary, scary how out government treats citizens that are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Companies and individuals destroyed by charges that were overturned by higher courts.

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

Russ,
Oh boy. Levin is on a roll right now on the transistor radio. It’s his best. Kamala’s speech broken down. Has me rolling, has me crying. Just said all the Far Left candidates look like a [group photo] of The Politburo. 🙂

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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Of course they did –
A whistleblower has accused an English fire brigade of setting entry test pass marks significantly higher for white men than for women and ethnic minorities in order to meet diversity quotas.
West Midlands Fire Service requires white men to achieve 70 percent in a verbal, numerical, and mechanical reasoning test before they can progress to an evaluation of their physical fitness, while female candidates, black candidates, candidates with Asian roots, and other ethnic minorities only need to make 60 percent, an anonymous source who spoke to the Daily Mail claims.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/28/whistleblower-fire-brigade-setting-pass-mark-10-higher-white-men/
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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Planned strategic leak to pressure?
Bolton was holding the legal pad in full view of the White House press corps while he and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin announced the imposition of sanctions on Venezuela’s state-owned oil company PDVSA, a move aimed at increasing the pressure on President Nicolas Maduro to step aside in favor of the opposition leader of the country’s National Assembly, Juan Guaido.
National Security Adviser John Bolton may have inadvertently revealed a potential next move by the Trump administration in the Venezuela crisis Monday when photographers captured a note on a legal pad that read: “5,000 troops to Colombia.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-boltons-written-note-on-troops-to-colombia-raises-eyebrows
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MMM

28 January 2019

,,,apology accepted BillyT,,,you guys really need to work on the ad hominems though,,,I mean really,,,George just mentioned this just yesterday in his ‘The Real Issues That Divides Us’ piece, “(although I cringe whenever ‘one of ours’ can’t keep it together and goes for tit-for-tat ad hominems.)”
Here is a little blast from the past for you anyway,
https://www.theunion.com/news/local-news/star-wars-viewer-cited/
I have watched several episodes of Murder Mountain. It is an interesting look at the history of the birth? of our modern homegrown MJ industry in general. The series is also tied to the criminal aspect of growing outlaw MJ and focuses on one San Diego surfer dude who moves up to Humboldt to grow pot and then disappears.

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

MEGA hat fall out. Are we safe? Question of the day.
Would you let your 79 year old father, husband, neighbor, friend, or weekend houseguest friend put on a MEGA hat and venture out into big wide world? To the market? Take a leisurely window shopping stroll up Broad Street, Spring, or Commerical Street in the Artist Colony? Would you let the elders wear their MEGA hats in public if your cared about them?
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Stone:
https://m.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10156165585910914/?type=3&source=48

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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Golly gee wilakers a nice massacre would come in handy said the ghoulish fakenewsman –
The Atlantic’s Dick Polman believes the Democrat Party needs a “new massacre” to make gun control “a first-tier story.”
On January 27, 2019, Polman, an
Atlantic contributor, noted that the Democrats took control of the House with plans to push gun control. And less than a week after taking control, they followed through by introducing a bill to criminalize private gun sales.
But Polman notes that the gun control bill did not garner major airplay in the establishment media, leading him to suggest a “new massacre” will be key in getting the push more attention. He wrote: “The Democrats’ championing of gun reform is not currently a first-tier story, but a new massacre would likely make it so.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/28/the-atlantics-dick-polman-democrats-need-a-new-massacre-to-make-gun-control-push-a-first-tier-story/
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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

Oh, the drama.
@ 5:16 pm
Teacher, teacher, I declare, I see………
“Keachie, in turn, said the police and Del Oro employees came at him “like stormtroopers,” the evil henchmen of the earlier “Star Wars” movies.
Keachie’s arrest comes at a critical time for the movie-making industry. Just last month, President George W. Bush……….”
Stormtroopers! Bush 43! Jack booted goose steppers! BDS! Or…..a citizens’ arrest by your fellow concerned citizens and caring neighbors, lol.
Confession is good for the soul. You may leave in peace, grasshopper.
Well, look at the bright side. At least your New Democrat William Jefferson Clinton never seperated children. Remember Waco? Talk about revenge politics.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10161259004620526&set=gm.617711298683984&type=3&theater&ifg=1
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I smell a cat fight. When mama ain’t happy, ain’t no one going to be happy.
https://bongino.com/border-patrol-wives-issue-scathing-letter-to-pelosi-invite-her-to-tour-border/?fbclid=IwAR2K1cDtSFe5TJV1KiNK6cpGUvZRUzBJUUDJ2luaJrm2_rY-hUcdemyqtzw

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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Bug or built in back door?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/28/apple-facetime-bug-lets-you-listen-even-if-someone-doesnt-answer.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cstory%7C&par=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
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Kelly

28 January 2019

Murder Mountain. As a local USFS seasonal firefighter at the time, I know it well. Murder Mountain was actually Pratt Peak across the valley from Alder Point. A homesteader and VERY small time pot grower (3 plants??) was shot in the back by an FBI agent in 1973. It was officially the first death in the war on drugs. The victim was found innocent and un armed posthumously but the FBI agent was not prosecuted. It was named Murder Mountain by the locals at the time, but the name was conveniently white washed by the Feds when the Carlson’s started their killing spree on Alder Point.

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Robert Cross

28 January 2019

George: 1:28
to the question: how do you prove ‘the promise of pardon’? simple.. just like any other court proceeding, witnesses testify under oath and a jury decides who to believe or not believe. it has nothing to do with progressive opinion.
2:48. “confidential sources who clearly stole or obtained their information unlawfully.” Most whistle blowers obtain their evidence via surreptitious methods. Where do whistle blowers fit into this definition? Does “stealing” evidence overshadow the event(s) that have been exposed?

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

So George I’m sure you agree buying stolen property is a crime if the buyer knows it’s stolen property. So if there was some kind of trade in kind for the use of the stolen emails and knowledge that the emails were stolen wouldn’t that be illegal?

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George Rebane

28 January 2019

PaulE 638pm – You didn’t read my 248pm. Discuss how journalists obtain and use stolen property for their own benefit.
RobertC 622pm – I would submit that you’ve been watching too many Perry Mason reruns. If it’s a he said/she said, no prosecutor would bring the case to trial. And you can bet the ranch that any ‘promise to pardon’ would be the most surreptitious conversation the President would have. In any case, from your mouth to God’s ear.

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Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

Stolen property? Can you give us a link to the law that says hacking emails from a open, illegal server is a crime?

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Robert Cross

28 January 2019

George — I actually knew Perry (Ray) himself.. he lived next door to my aunt in Malibu . No one thought that living with his “nephew” was at all strange. But I digress and you ignore in your “he said/she said” scenario the issue of credibility of the witness. The job of a jury is to determine which witnesses have more credibllity and which of competing versions of the events to put the most trust in. Given past performance, any ‘he said/she said’ scenario will not favor trump, that is for sure, as his outright lies and misrepresentations of truth have surpassed the 8,000 documented instances since taking office. So why wouldn’t a prosecutor go after a proven liar?
What about the whistle blower question?

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

So George it appears you have no problem George if Trumps campaign knowing arranged to obtain stolen private emails and use them for his campaign.
Todd
The emails stolen from the DNC were not illegal, they were private property. What gives you the impression they were.

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Bill Tozer

28 January 2019

6:51 pm
Let’s not convolute the issue here, Nothing to do with Hillary’s private illegal server or the missing 35,000 e-mails. Everything to do with copies the DNC’s e-mails and John ‘My Password is PASSWORD’ it’s Podesta’s (a private citizen) e-mails. The DNC is a private entity, no government e-mails involved. Campaign stuff got to WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks made them public. WikiLeaks is not a foreign government. Maybe a foreign actor. Lots of foreign actors in Hillary’s private server…..when she worked at State. Apples and oranges.
Todd, that’s was the Podesta work station computer and the DNC servers that the aggrieved parties REFUSED to let the FBI do an forensic analysis of. Assessment means best educated guess with the info the G-Men have, not that it is fact.
Personally, after reading stuff from forensic accountants and forensic computer dudes, I believe that the sheer volume of the “hacked” e-mails in a quick manner would require a using a USB stick downloading that much that quickly. We will never know if it was a download from the inside or not. Nor, at this moment, do we know how the volume of e-mails got to Assange. Maybe Pamela Anderson snuck the the stick in her organic vegatarian ‘homemade with love’ food she brought Julian. Like sneaking the hacksaw blade in the cake delivered to an inmate. :).
Dunno. Do know the last week or so of the race to the White House they pulled the plug on WikiLeaks and all the Dems were sounding the alarm that if anything is released the last week of the campaign, Don’t Believe It! It’s fake! About the same time, RT Britain was told their broadcast license would not be renewed and no violations or reasons cited. Hmmm.
It was funny seeing Donna Braille running around telling people that if they read the e-mails from a sheets of paper with the printed copies on it, a virus would jump off the page and infect ya. And after Seth Richards got whacked, she was afraid she was next and had to cover her home’s windows, pull down all the blinds, stay clear from all windows and sleep on her belly under the bed, lol. Ok, that last part about the bed was fake. :).

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Don Bessee

28 January 2019

Willful conspiratorial violation of federal Freedom of Information rules is a federal crime @725 on many levels.
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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Don
Freedom of Information applis to specific PUBLIC documents not the contents of a private server. Have you ever used the FOI process to obtain documents? I have and you have to be very specific as to what you want. Certainly you cannot have access to an entire hard drive. Can you show me the specific FOI request you are referring to?

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Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

Paul Emery
Whoever hacked the emails may be liable if there is a statute for it. Can you supply the link to that law or not. And if a third party then receives them I would like to see your law that says that is a crime.

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Don
More on the FOIA from their website
“The FOIA applies only to federal agencies and does not create a right of access to records held by Congress, the courts, or by state or local government agencies.
The FOIA does not require agencies to do research for you, answer written questions, or in any other way create records (such as lists or statistics) in order to respond to a request.”
https://foia.state.gov/Learn/FOIA.aspx

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Todd
If I hacked into your email and gave or sold them to someone who used them to profit in some way from their public distributi0on would you consider that a violation of the law by both parties?

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Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

Paul Emery maybe, but please supply the laws broken on your allegations or you are just blowing smoke.

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

I’ll let you do that Todd. They exist and it’s your task to prove me wrong. Let me know what you come up with.

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Todd Juvinall

28 January 2019

OK then we see Paul Emery is just spreading leftwing propaganda. Making bogus claims with no proof. And you call yourself a “newsman”? Pathetic but not unexpected. We all have you pegged as a blowhard.

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

So Todd you think it’s legal if I stole your emails. If I found a hacker that could do that you’d have no problem right?

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Paul Emery

28 January 2019

Come to think of it it would be fun to spread around copies of your correspondence on the dating services you like to use. No problem with that from you Todd.

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