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[Why would the president's AG nominee William Barr telegraph the preposterous statement that he will tell the Senate judiciary committee that he would unconditionally allow Mueller to finish whatever he's been doing in the attempt to bring down the administration?  gjr]

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431 responses to “Sandbox – 14jan19”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Paul can’t produce any proof for his phony number. I recall that was debited at length at the Supervisor meeting and the SAYRCL jerks said just trust us. Well, of course, they never did a true count and it is all BS. Gregory has it correct and just look at all that trash those wonderful out of towners leave at out once a wonderful river.
    Kind of like the General Plan number of he RQC. Oh my 155,000 people may live here in 2010. Well just more BS from the lefty loons/.

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  2. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    If the economic justifications that pencil out at 700,000 visitors year…
    How many pencil out at 70,000 per year? at 7,000 per year?

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar

    You guys lie like your hero Trump. what a hoot. It was a number presented by Haffey if you would have followed my provided link.

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  4. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    G@ 234, 250 – There is a report on the scanner of a smoldering pony tail at the gold rush.
    😉

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar

    Meanwhile Nevada City is booming this weekdue to the efforts of our wonderful South Yuba River Citizens League. Great going.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Haffey used the phony SYRCL jerk number. Paul Emery fell for it. Fake numbers.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Yeah every leftwing econut is there smoking their ganga . A MJ nirvana like Woodstock. What a hoot!

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  8. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    Gregory@2:34PM
    lol. Exactly. I’ve always been surprised how poor people are at quickly checking a statistic for BS content. I suppose that a big number is simply a big number. You might as well say 70,000,000.
    Paul, just accept that it’s probably an exaggeration. It’s OK, I’m not upset and don’t think less of Haffey (if that’s indeed the source) for it.
    You have to admit that the Yuba is a brilliant thing to build a profitable non-profit around. It’s probably less a slam dunk than cute dogs who need homes, but requires less in the way of results or facilities.

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  9. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Here’s a link
    https://www.theunion.com/news/syrcl-celebrates-opening-day-at-the-south-yuba-river-over-memorial-weekend/
    A whole 120 people were greeted by SYRCL “ambassadors” opening day last year. Let’s round it up to 200 to account for folks who were avoiding them.
    Twenty six weekend days in the summer season… would make it 26 times 200… 5200 people per year. This is beginning to look more rational, don’t you think?

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    I think Gregory has it right. Haffey used the phony SYRCL number they used to boost their stance during the hearings. Of course, the Board defeated them (I had a little to do with that) so Izzy had her pal from the Bay Area take it up and not one official from here or the District supported it. But her subterfuge won the day. Now she is a $100,000 a year CEO like Frisch. All non-profits. What a joke.

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  11. Walt Avatar

    It’s obvious Paul flunked math. ( graduated with that LIB “new” math?) The parking problem alone shoots his numbers all to hell.(he got from someone else, GOD knows when, who got them from who the “F” knows.)

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  12. Walt Avatar

    Gotta love this one….
    Someone “dumped” a “missing link” of a Toyota pickup out on the road last night.(the note says they will come back to get it)
    It’s a 1980 THREE axle pickup! A real rare one at that. It’s a real POS at the moment.(a refugee from Cash for Clunkers)
    Some people think it’s a home custom job. But the frame design on this one says different.
    It would have looked like this one.
    http://www.dailyturismo.com/2018/11/wheeeeeeel-base-1980-toyota-pickup.html?showComment=1548027095483#c677683222480887055
    Pretty much “Bigfoot” of the car world.

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar

    One thing for sure former Supervisor Hank Weston was a big supporter of he Park. Here’s a quote from 2012. State Parks District Superintendent has a quote on his estimate of attendance. It’s grown since then.
    “This is a quid pro quo situation,” Weston said. “I basically told the state if you want us to help you, you need to take the parks off the closure list.”
    California State Parks District Superintendent Matt Green said he was receptive to the plan.
    “I believe this makes the running of the park more sustainable,” he said. “We needed to find some way to extend our fee base to pay for the high cost of staffing.”
    Green said more than 450,000 people visited South Yuba State Park last calendar year.”
    https://www.theunion.com/news/local-news/supes-playing-hardball-with-state-parks/

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  14. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    So you admit you have no proof to support 700K.
    😉

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar

    More than 450,000 7 years ago from the Parks District Superintendent. What does that mean to you Don?

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  16. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    Poof! Two hundred and fifty thousand disappeared from the number quoted by Superintendent Green over the number cited by rote, 700k.
    I’d still expect Green’s number, 450K, to be inflated.

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  17. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    It means you can not substantiate your memory of Haffey saying 700k, that’s what it means to everyone.
    😉

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  18. Walt Avatar

    Paul. Did you fail math? YES or NO
    How many cars would that take? (Even @ 4 max. occupancy. But count on two, maybe three at best)
    How long would they stay there before the next car could park?
    It’s time you show your math.
    There is only 365 days in a year. Make that “700,000” believable.

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  19. Walt Avatar

    Buzzedfeed still won’t confess.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/buzzfeed-reporter-after-rebuke-by-mueller-declines-to-explain-discrepancies-we-cant-get-into-like-the-details-there
    “”We can’t get into, like, the details there,” Cormier, sitting next to BuzzFeed News Editor-in-Chief Ben Smith, told CNN’s “Reliable Sources” host Brian Stelter. “We really can’t go any further at all, in order not to jeopardize our sources.” ”
    In an interview on Friday, Cormier told CNN, “No, I’ve not seen it personally,” when asked if he had seen the documents mentioned in the story — including “internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents” — that purportedly showed Trump told Cohen to lie.
    Cormier only claimed that the two sources he cited were “fully, 100 percent read-in to that aspect of the special counsel’s investigation.”
    I have it on good authority the GOV. have living space aliens at Aria 51.
    Proof? I don’t need no stink’n proof.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar

    Not a “memory” of Haffey saying 700K it
    1s a quote. Did you follow the link I provided Walt?

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  21. Brandon Branson Avatar
    Brandon Branson

    Walt, Todd and Don- I’ll admit I have no idea how many people use the Park (and I don’t particularly care), but I do know every 5 years the state parks publishes a very detailed (and yes they include estimates if they don’t have a direct count method such as entrance fees) spreadsheet on their Parks. Why don’t you take the 5 minutes to Google the latest stat instead of calling people liars based on your hunch? I am flabbergasted that a County Supervisor is unaware of such a publication and that he admittedly didn’t bother referring to it when he was an elected official.

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    If it is so available why did you not supply the link?

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  23. Walt Avatar

    So you admit you can’t make the math work Paul? Not even close to probability? You believe any unsubstantiated figure thrown out?
    You have a long track record of falling for unsubstantiated statements. Now is no different. A county sales pitch web site is far from factual stats.
    You took the Buzzedfeed story hook,line, and sinker. (then hid till the heat was off.Then changed the subject.)
    Your backing the stated number, show the evidence.

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  24. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    “Brandon Branson”, you sound a lot like Steven Frisch.

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  25. Walt Avatar

    WOW Brandon, You say it exists, yet won’t produce it.
    “WE” are to go looking for it? Sorry, it don’t work that way.
    Can you make the math work? So how many should have made the “visit” today?

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    OK I went searching for the stats on visitors of the So Yuba State Park. Guess what? Nada. But I recollect that when the SYRCL jerks were
    lobbying the Supes they had a guy with a counter go to the six or seven areas where cars could park and he clicked away. The number was a couple of hundred people on a Saturday and a Sunday in the summer. Those brilliant people then extrapolated it in a way to inflate the numbers. The local Supes did not buy it and neither did our Assemblyman, State Senator and Wally Herger.

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  27. Walt Avatar

    I KNOW how they/he/ whothehellever,, came up with that chest thumping number.(Now why I didn’t think of it sooner,,,)
    You know those hoses the roads dept puts out you run over now and then? They count cars. So they put those out on HY49 on at the park property line. So each car, whether it stops at the river or not, is counted as a “visit”.
    So all those extra dope runs from the ridge to Nevada City gets counted as a “state park visit”.
    That’s “Government math” at work.
    That’s how you count to “700,000”. ” See? we have the trip counters to prove it!”

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Since the park does not keep track there are no stats to find. All guesses.

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  29. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    OK, with a few hours for information to bubble up… it’s quite evident that the old wise native American with a drum made a beeline towards the kid wearing the MAGA hat intent upon harassing the kid… who didn’t budge.
    Steven Frisch, Judith Lowry, Jeff Peeline… you should all do a mea culpa, backing off your hateful mischaracterizations of the event.

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  30. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Now she is a $100,000 a year CEO like Frisch.”
    https://www.sierrafund.org/wp-content/uploads/990-2016-PUBLIC-Disclosure.pdf
    Elizabeth Martin CEO 109,241
    That is so seriously brilliant. You have to feel like a fool sometimes for not grabbing some of that sweet sweet non-profit $$$$.
    As long as they aren’t receiving government grants, I’m down with it.

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  31. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “So you admit you can’t make the math work Paul?”
    To be fair, he’s probably just repeating something he’s heard from somebody who heard it from somebody who read a state report.
    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some dogsbody at the state cooked up a 700k number, but that seems vastly overestimated.

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  32. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “it’s quite evident that the old wise native American with a drum ”
    In modern day parlance, all indigenous Americans over the age of 50 are referred to as ‘elders’ or ‘tribal elders’, although they are no doubt ‘old’ and ‘wise’.
    For everyone else, worth a read.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/20/delingpole-left-wing-and-the-right-attack-kids-to-demonstrate-virtue/

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Watched the video and it was evident that there was no disrespect or screaming at the chief. The young teen with the MAGA hat simply stood there and had no expression on his face. He did not move or do any aggressive at all. I did see a young black kid make a mocking move. But to characterize this as Peeline etal did is over the top. Peeline even wants people to write the school and complain. All I can say is no one was murdered like the five cops at a Black Lives Matter event. The left is always making stuff up. Fake News Pelline etal. White liberals and their guilt.

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  34. Brandon Branson Avatar
    Brandon Branson

    Todd 5:31. Can you read? I wrote “I don’t care”. Why would I bother to sleuth stats for your team of Nazi hunters. But because you are so thick here is a report from the State. Don’t ask me if it is accurate, the most up to date, whatever. YOU are the guy who crows about being a government supervisor but you don’t have the wits to even know these exist??? No wonder the government is the way is if idiots like you got elected.
    https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/795/files/09-10%20statistical%20report%20final%20online.pdf

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Here is the news report on the kerfuffle by the libs.
    “The new footage reveals that the Native American man, Nathan Phillips, approached the students with his drum and beat it in their faces.”
    Now Brandon, did you read that report? I bet you did not. But if you did you would be unable to find attendance numbers. But hey, you are a moron and there is no help for you.
    But if you can find those attendance numbers let me know and I will certainly take back my calling you a moron.

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  36. Walt Avatar

    Well Brandon, if “you really don’t care”,, then why in hell stick your nose in? You had less than nothing to offer.
    So you just pulled a “buzzedfeed”. Be proud of that.

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  37. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    @6:22 pm
    “This whole story just exposes the left for the lying, cry-bullying, vindictive, shrill, ugly hate machine it is.
    What is clear from the unedited footage of the event is that the boys did little wrong. Sure, they might have chanted boisterously, even rudely, but they are kids, and they were provoked.”
    The Leftinista Media Superpac is the enemy of the people. Shawn King again? Too funny, too predicable, too wrong.

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  38. Walt Avatar

    Someone give Nevada City some simple advice.
    Go buy your own goats. 30 grand to “rent” them?( The goat herder found someone else that’s stump broke)
    Head to the Roseville auction yard. You should have PLENTY of city
    volunteers to run roughshod over the new city employees.
    So the mountain lion gets one now and then.. Just acceptable losses.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar

    How do you know they don’t keep track Todd? Do you know that or is it a guess. Of course they keep track of usage, I can’t imagine them not doing so.

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  40. Paul Emery Avatar

    Did you at all follow my links Scenes?

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  41. Walt Avatar

    HEY! Paul can be the city goat man! You just might be needing the job. Someone will have to get axed when the grant check bounces.
    Just keep them out of the rose gardens and Granny’s MMJ patch.
    OH.. And be sure to identify and hold sacred any and all endangered plants the goats would love to eat. You will be fined for any losses.(just some words of encouragement.)

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar

    Well Paul Emery, go get those links you say exist and show us.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar

    They are all in my posts Todd. Check them out and get back to me.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar

    To get you started here’s an easy one from Haffey and the County
    County has been facilitating a multi-agency Yuba River Safety Cohort group to take steps towards keeping the South Yuba River’s approximate 700,000 annual visitors safe while enjoying the Yuba’s natural beauty and recreation opportunities.
    https://mynevadacounty.com/CivicSend/ViewMessage/message?id=60303

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar

    Here’s one for you Todd Trump says “Heroin alone kills 300 Americans a week, 90% of which comes across our southern border.” Can you document and prove that?

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  46. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “Did you at all follow my links Scenes?”
    No. I’m always more interested in original source documents.
    I did find something from the state from 15+ years ago that showed between 300k-400k visitors, so I believe 700k as a published current amount. What I don’t believe is 2k people per day on average, the number just seems far too high. I don’t have a dog in that fight, so I didn’t look into it further.
    “Wild and Scenic Film Festival in a very slow time of year-mid January make a huge impact on the local economy”
    Just what exactly is “huge”?

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar

    Full restaurants, hotels, clubs-lots of shoppers. Tourism is one of our main industries and the Festival brings several thousand people to town in mid winter when things are very slow.

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  48. Gregory Avatar
    Gregory

    The number from the FY 2009/10 report… nine years old… says 355k free day use.
    Meaning the 700k number is about twice as large as reality, if one thinks the guesses by Park staff are reality, as larger numbers generally pay better than smaller numbers.
    A retired California Park Ranger I know quite well told me if I’ve had a margarita in a restaurant in old town San Diego, chances are that was reported as a day use in the park.
    So… if someone crosses the Yuba on the 49 bridge… is that a day use? Some fraction of a day use? What if you drive within eyeshot of the covered bridge?

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