303 responses to “Sandbox – 28dec18”

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   George Rebane

   01 January 2019

   PaulE 1225pm – Are you trying to sound like an “It can’t happen here” naif? I don’t have to describe something with which every adult who has read any of the histories of 20th century tyrannies is familiar.

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   Bill Tozer

   01 January 2019

   Under the category, “Who Stole Feminism?”, another one bites the dust. The intersectionally card does not always work as planned.
   “The New York Times and Tablet reports revealed that Sarsour, Mallory, and Perez pushed out Jewish women in leadership positions in the Women’s March, and that Mallory — who only recently attended the Nation of Islam’s “Saviors Day” event where Farrakhan likened Jews to tools of the devil — “confronted” Jewish Women’s March leaders over their role in the “oppression” of minorities.
   Mallory, Tablet says, “asserted that Jewish people bore a special collective responsibility as exploiters of black and brown people—and even, according to a close secondhand source, claimed that Jews were proven to have been leaders of the American slave trade.”
   “Instead of apologizing and distancing themselves from the Nation of Islam, the Women’s March has issued a series of lukewarm statements on “intersectionality.”
   https://www.dailywire.com/news/39833/another-new-orleans-womens-march-cancelled-after-emily-zanotti?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

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   Don Bessee

   01 January 2019

   A little truth goes a long way, its not just about trade –
   Rear Admiral Lou Yuan has told an audience in Shenzhen that the ongoing disputes over the ownership of the East and South China Seas could be resolved by sinking two US super carriers.
   Taiwan’s Central News Agency (CNA) reports Admiral Lou gave a wide-ranging speech on the state of Sino-US relations. The high-profile, hawkish military commentator reportedly declared the current trade spat was “definitely not simply friction over economics and trade,” but was instead a “prime strategic issue”.
   His speech, delivered on December 20 to the 2018 Military Industry List summit, declared that China’s new and highly capable anti-ship ballistic and cruise missiles were more than capable of hitting US carriers, despite them being at the centre of a ‘bubble’ of defensive escorts.
   “What the United States fears the most is taking casualties,” Admiral Lou declared.
   He said the loss of one super carrier would cost the US the lives of 5000 service men and women. Sinking two would double that toll.
   “We’ll see how frightened America is.”
   https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/sink-two-aircraft-carriers-chinese-admirals-chilling-recipie-to-dominate-the-south-china-sea/news-story/aaa8c33d57da62e7d5e28e791aa26e0f
   😉

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   Don Bessee

   01 January 2019

   The sad demise of a friend to law enforcement –
   Police in Kentucky have posted a tweet mourning the loss of a doughnut truck, which was destroyed after catching fire.
   The driver of the Krispy Kreme Doughnuts vehicle noticed smoke billowing from the back as he drove through Lexington.
   While no one was hurt in the fire, all the doughnuts in the back were reportedly destroyed.
   It proved too much to bear for the local police.
   Lexington Police Department posted images online of heartbroken officers at the scene of the fire in the south-east of the city, near the corner of Man O’ War Boulevard and Pink Pigeon Parkway.
   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46728111
   😉

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5. 

   Scott O

   01 January 2019

   Happy New Years everyone! Here’s a great bit of news from J Peterson. He and many from the left and right are dumping Patreon. The discussion is important on so many levels. Who has a collar around your neck?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp9ZJiFFBnU
   Lefties should pay attention. Do you really think this will never happen to you?

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6. 

   Scott O

   01 January 2019

   Don at 2:32 – And this is spoken as the Chinese launch their carriers.
   Interesting.

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7. 

   Paul Emery

   01 January 2019

   So it begins
   The cracks in the Republican Party that will lead to a challenged nomination. Romney is no fan of Trumps.
   “President Donald Trump “has not risen to the mantle” of his office, and his “words and actions have caused dismay around the world,” Mitt Romney wrote Tuesday in an op-ed for The Washington Post.
   The scathing rebuke of Trump’s leadership from the former Massachusetts governor and GOP presidential nominee comes just two days before Romney is set to be sworn in as Utah’s junior senator.
   The op-ed — titled, “The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short.” — also suggests Romney will not shy away from criticizing the president in ways that cost lawmakers such as outgoing senators Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) considerable political clout within Trump’s Republican Party.
   “With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable,” Romney wrote. “And it is in this province where the incumbent’s shortfall has been most glaring.”
   https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/01/romney-savages-trumps-leadership-in-washington-post-op-ed-1077403

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   Paul Emery

   01 January 2019

   Correct me if I’m wrong George but you are saying it will happen here, no doubt when you write:
   “you people will come again for me and mine as sure as the sun rises tomorrow.”
   There are no if’s or perhaps in you statement. My curiosity is whether you’ve made conclusions about how it will happen. Will it be enacted through the Military, Police forces, organized militias where you and yours are extracted when they “come again” as you put it. Will it be like the internment of the Japanese Americans in WW11 or perhaps a rounding up and relocations in some kind or Reservations like we provided for our native Americans?
   Can you share any thoughts you might have on the process you anticipate and how the selection process will happen ?

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   George Rebane

   02 January 2019

   PaulE 1042pm – my 541pm prognosis is conditional on the Left’s “fundamental transformation” realized. Autocracy can easily arrive through the ballot box – it did in Russia (twice) and Germany. ‘A nation ignorant and free, that never was and never shall be.’ There were many ways to silence opponents, pick one or more.
   (see also the 2jan19 update to Ruminations)

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10. 

    Jurgen Holst

    02 January 2019

    Paul Emery- I must give you credit for having a stiff spine and strong reserve, but must wonder about the thickness of your skull. Why do you waste your time, effort, energy and intellect jousting with morons? Are the (very few) people who dwell in this darkness of fear and hatred worth your time? You have better things to do with your life than confront the likes of Todd, Don and Walt. Like all pigs, when wallowing in a mud fight, they’ll always win because they like mud – not because they have any sense, or purpose. They are not here to debate, they are only here to cut you down to their size. I admire you, but can’t help but wonder if you are a masochist.

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    JurgenH 734am – Mr Holst, I’m sure that of equal interest to our readers is the reason why someone with an astute and discerning mind like yours deigns to read these pages.

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12. 

    scenes

    02 January 2019

    GeorgeR@6:50AM
    Authoritarian societies with a self-interested hierarchy seem to be the natural state of humanity once you build a state of any size. To me, it’s remarkable that the US, and to a lesser degree parts of Europe, managed to last as long as they did with some form of modern republic.
    It’s funny that there’s a notion that you can build in freedoms by fiat rather than organically via underlying culture. Whether it’s Elizabethan England or the Soviet Union, you tend to end up in the same place, or at least ones that rhyme.

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13. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Meet the Press has banned all “climate deniers” from its show. Now there is a great example f fascists.

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14. 

    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Is that Jurgeon the Sturgeon? He spreads the moronic lack of intellect all over the place.

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15. 

    scenes

    02 January 2019

    “Can you share any thoughts you might have on the process you anticipate and how the selection process will happen ?”
    I thought that was worth an answer. It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future(YB).
    It seems to me that there are new opportunities here. The Blue Mob supplies street power, but the real deal always lies with the money and an existing oligarchy. The soft coup is still on, but I don’t think that it requires success for the Blue Utopia to take hold.
    My guess is that it’s simply enough to provide full surveillance of everyone (data collection is relatively easy, it’s the parsing that’s new) combined with the ability to freeze them out of any economic activity. The kinds of things that social media and internet financial firms have done to conservative organizations (ie. traditional America plus some fringe elements) will work it’s way down the chain. If all else fails, simply gin up a Tucker Carlson Blue Flashmob demonstration to bang on doors and drive people out of an area.
    I really doubt that you’ll need to burn too many houses. No military needed.

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    scenes 816am – Yes indeed, history shows that autocracy cum tyranny is the most enduring form of governance. Contributing to the harbingers of that in America are people 1) ignorant of history, 2) blind to the growth of our command state, and 3) with an unwavering belief that ‘it can’t happen here’.

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    Bill Tozer

    02 January 2019

    “Lefties should pay attention. Do you really think this will never happen to you?”
    Posted by: Scott O | 01 January 2019 at 08:28 PM
    Good video. Watching the video, I could not help from thinking back just a few years ago to one of those small Northern Europe countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark?) that make it illegal to criticize the nation’s immigration policy outside of the Parilment’s chambers. A lawmaker was promptly arrested for doing so in such a speech outside of the chambers. Since the law was implemented on a Christmas Day and before the flood of “Asian” immmigrants from the Middle East, it came and went without any fanfare. I also reflected on Britian’s current law that makes it illegal to report on the ongoing trial of a group of Muslims accused of coordinating the raping of hundreds, if not thousands, of underage boys and girls in Merrry ole England.
    What is different in the United States is that we have Constitutional laws that prevent such controls over the press. Nah, we celebrate a free press and joyfully celebrate freedom of religion….at least we used to. Using private companies such as social media platforms, credit card companies, and private businesse to effect the exact same end result our laws prevent from doing is troubling.
    Jordan brings us some good points on a very complicated issue. Who is qualified to determine what is considered hate speech? What training do they have to make such a determination? A credit card company? An algorithm? If, say, PayPal blocks any donations to the NRA, shouldn’t they also block any purchases of video games like, “School shooter”? Or should MasterCard refuse to allow the purchase to download an action ‘shoot ‘em up bang bang’ movie like the Die Hard series on Netflix or Hulu?
    Who is qualified to make such a determination? Is Diamonds and Silk truly a threat to our community? Should I not be able to buy a ticket in advance with a credit card to go see The Vigina Monologues (a live event that was held in Nevada County) because the Vagina Monologues is now deemed hateful to transsexuals who were not born with female parts…like a uterus or female sex organs?? Should Carl Jr’s remove their debit card machines from all their stores because of pressure from vegans? One man’s meat is another man’s poison. One person’s trash is another person’s treasure.
    My take aways from the Jordan videos is two fold:
    1) Jordan’s quote of the saying that any new weapon developed will be used against you by others in 15 years. That applies to the short sighted ‘Nuclear Option’ envolked by Harry Reid to The Biden Rule to someone driving 80 miles to find a devote Muslim baker that refuses make a birthday cake covered in bacon…and thus suing them to put them out of business of force the to comply.
    2) the irony of the Leftiinists who have spent decades railing against big evi bankers, corporate America, and dastardly capitalism as the source of society’s woes and income inequality sudddenly race to and embrace MasterCard, Visa, and PayPal to do for them that which they cannot achieve through the legal process or prohibited government censorship.
    Remember OWS? Does Elizabeth Warren’s “the system is rigged, the fix is in” quotes ring a bell? Yet, now they like banks? Go figure.

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18. 

    Robert Cross

    02 January 2019

    ON the issue of “it can’t happen here’…it is happening here, right now. The comparisons between current right wing rhetoric and the brown shirt rhetoric of depression era Germany are not that dissimilar: nationalism, racism, divisiveness, huge increases in defense “offense?” spending at the expense of all else. Eisenhower once said that every dollar spent on missiles, bombs, and tanks was taking money away from those who really need it. Do we really need a whole new nuclear arsenal? The former Soviet Union collapsed because they spent all their money on weapons and people got tired of it and revolted . Defense spending is the worst kind of government expenditures as it creates the fewest jobs and economic well being for the entire country. Our roads, bridges, and other infrastructure are crumbling. Our pregnancy and infant mortality rates are on a par with third world countries. Our health care costs are the highest in the world and our life expectancy is among the lowest for developed nations. Yet, the current power structure is spending our tax dollars on more war machines (is trump planning to create the 4th Reich), a beyond stupid border wall that will do nothing but sooth paranoid trump supporters, while eliminating economic and environmental regulations that protect the health and welfare of all Americans. The recent midterm elections suggest that the people are getting tired of trump and his policies.

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    No BoobieC, it is your rhetoric that makes you a brownshirt. We are all about personal freedom and the Constitution. You are an authoritarian buffoon and no one here cares what you spew. You belong in 1933 Germany.

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    Robert Cross

    02 January 2019

    Todd if you knew your rear end from whole in the ground it might be different, but you don’t.

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    I wonder what evidence the Left has about anyone on the Right here advocating for a large autocratic government, the kind that can pull off the types of 20th century tyrannies that its collectivists of all stripes were able to establish in Germany, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Venezuela, … . Small governments with small civil codes, a constraining constitution, and that cycle through a small amount of the nation’s wealth have never been autocratic nor have the resources to constrain a free people. But the kind of government that the Dems promote have ALWAYS wound up autocratic in one form or another. Their accusations of such against conservetarians are Alinsky-vacuous.

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Robert Cross | 02 January 2019 at 10:09 AM
    I can see why you don’t want people to think you are a fascist so your response is expected. You better make sure your brownshirt is ironed. We would not want you too look too bad when you salute your bosses and jackboot to the market.

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    Scott O

    02 January 2019

    Bobby at 9:38 – “The comparisons between current right wing rhetoric and the brown shirt rhetoric of depression era Germany are not that dissimilar: nationalism, racism, divisiveness, huge increases in defense “offense?” spending at the expense of all else.”
    No wonder poor Bobby and the left are so frightened. If they could just stop fabricating BS about the ‘right wing rhetoric’ and actually pay attention to the real numbers in the budget, they would see that reality is not the boogie man they are hiding from under their beds.
    The welfare state is expanding, Bobby. No conservatives are cutting you off from speaking or thinking as you wish.
    Bobby might want to check out the video I posted the link to. Does the left really believe that it can’t happen to them?
    How many times in history have we seen ‘progressive’ regimes set up shop and go right after the left wing ‘useful idiots’ that helped to put them in power in the first place? It can happen here. If you don’t fight for all the rights, then you will lose them all, eventually.

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    Scott O

    02 January 2019

    Herr Holst “They are not here to debate,…”
    Actually sir, it’s the lefties that refuse to engage in debate.
    I’ve asked many many times for facts, examples and/or further explanation and the lefties just run away.
    How about you, sir?
    Would you care to provide us with your views and your side of the story?

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    BoobieC would probably make a good ISIS recruit. He wants to be in charge in his well-starched brownshirt and pants and tell others what to think.

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26. 

    Blll Tozer

    02 January 2019

    @ 8:27 and @8:48 am.
    Excellent thoughts put forth. Here are my two….three cents.
    Cent one: these things (revolutions, large scale revolts, civil wars, totalitarianism, permanent martial law) do not happen overnight, Takes years of simmering grievances. One need only look at events in the Colonies in the 1730’s through the 1760’s to see what led to 1775 at Lexington and Concord. One only needs to look at the impassioned debates and serious issues of the 1830’s to see what led to the shelling of Fort Sumter in 1861. Any look at what was going on in Germany in the early 1920’s reveals the catalyst of the Rise of the Third Reich. BTW, Ukanine, with its CIA backed handpicked President currenty riding at 9% popularity in the polls is under permanent martial law…… until the end of elections in March.
    2). I have not as yet, as most conservatives have not as yet, fully comprehended or appredended the total destruction of our education system by Marxist thought over the last 100 years. I see no way back, no remedy, no effectual solution. “And all the King’s horses and all the King’s men could not put Humpty Dumpty together again.”
    It was the Khmer Rouge that used young people to first start chasing people out of restaurants, to harass them whether they went. It was Mao and the Khmer Rouge that went after those with eyeglasses, i.e., book readers, those who knew history and read various and divergent points of view. It was the Soviets, the East Germans, the Nazis, the Maoists, the North Koreans that relied on young people to rat out their own parents, neighbors, and relatives who had wrong thoughts.
    The Salem Witch hunts were started by young girls becoming all hyperventilating with emotional panic and started rumors that witches bound everywhere. It was not the adults. The first mass hysteria in the Colonies (Salem) was started when a young girl accused own sister of being a witch, as well as her own aunt. It’s the young people who did the Devil’s handiwork. Just look at the videos of the young students running amok (Lord of the Flies) on Evergreen State College and their literal holding a couple of faculty members physically hostage and captive until the evil doers confessed to their sins.
    3). While most of us dwell on free speech issues, we must not overlook the weaponization/attack of the right to peacefully assemble. The internet as changed the way we assemble. Is not coming to this or any other site a 21 Century assembling of people? There exists those who want to break up the assembly and stop the conversation of various issues dead in its tracks…. be it here or at Berkeley, or having SOJ folks gather in a small area of Westetn Gateway Park.
    I have complained that at one time we could not even discuss any issue or policy concerning President Obama without someone running over to disrupt/ distract the conversation with the big “BUSH DID IT TO! You must only talk about Bush’s sins. I demand it!”
    Is not even the aforementioned (benign) examples above designed to stop or prevent the right to peacefully assemble? Is not the internet now a quasi public place? A meet place? Is not the shutting down of countless sites and forums not only a form of censorship, but also to discourage assembly?
    Did not Maxine Waters encourage her followers to go out and find Trump supporters or conservatives and hunt them down, harass them, drive them away? Is not the purpose of Antifa to break up groups gathered together? Are not most of these thugs young people being used to effect the goals of the Leftiesin charge?

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27. 

    Don Bessee

    02 January 2019

    With friends like these……………
    Politics
    Politico Called Out for Tweet Suggesting Elizabeth Warren Is ‘Too Unlikable’ to Win Presidency
    Jon Levine
    Politico came in for broad criticism on Wednesday over a story concerning whether Elizabeth Warren could avoid “Clinton redux” in her 2020 presidential campaign.
    “How does Elizabeth Warren avoid a Clinton redux — written off as too unlikable before her campaign gets off the ground?” the website asked.
    “She’s too divisive and too liberal, Washington Democrats have complained privately. Her DNA rollout was a disaster — and quite possibly a White House deal-breaker,” wrote reporter Natasha Korecki laying out the rap from critics. “She’s already falling in the polls, and — perhaps most stinging — shares too many of the attributes that sank Hillary Clinton.”
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/politico-called-tweet-suggesting-elizabeth-134752622.html
    😉

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28. 

    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    BillT 1102am – A quick perusal of these pages may answer why we have such a vigorous leftwing participation. No matter their protestations, this is the only regional blog where such lengthier and substantive dissertations, such as yours, are exchanged. Compared to what is available here, the progressives’ blogs are vast, arid wastelands of thought and ideas. Their only forte seems to be unsubstantiated moralizing a la their forebears in socialist societies. So instead of being able to answer in kind, all they can do is pay homage for their attendance here by dropping another load of ad hominems a la Alinsky. (Of course, we also have readers in our cohort who sadly cannot but reply to them in kind.)

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29. 

    Don Bessee

    02 January 2019

    OH ya –
    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/seattle-ization-american-cities-fear-whats-happened-here/
    😉

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30. 

    Gregory

    02 January 2019

    Proud high school graduate Chuck Todd delights in barring “climate deniers” from the formerly great Meet the Press.
    Chuck Todd is the polar opposite of the late, great Tim Russert. Not by politics, both are/were moderate Democrats… but Russert really liked people, didn’t judge them harshly and got the story out. He did his homework, asked good questions, and was as likely to give a conservative Republican time to get their story told as he was to expose the hypocrisy of a doubletalking Democrat.
    Todd is at his finest when going for the jugular of an unsuspecting naif.

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    George
    You commented 8:48 today that Americans are ignorant of history. I’m sure you will apply that to Trump when he said today that he’s the most popular Republican in History. Even more popular than Reagan.
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-trails-only-reagan-among-recent-presidents-in-gop-love.html

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Prove him wrong then.

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    Are you saying that Trump is the most popular Republican President in history Todd?

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34. 

    Gregory

    02 January 2019

    Little Doug Keach writes elsewhere that the funniest thing I’ve done here was “Attempting to declare That a .22 round Was essentially almost no different from a .223 round !”.
    Besides the pain of parsing the Keachieisms “attempting to declare” and “essentially almost no different”, I’d love to find where and when this conversation took place. What did I write that Keach stored away as a declaration there was “essentially almost no difference” between .22LR (as opposed to the other rimfire .22 Long, Short and Magnum) and .223/5.56NATO rounds (which are separate rounds and not universally interchangeable).
    Steven R. Willer (age 61) has decided that I (age 64) “in a strange way it must be nice to be so old and have advanced age on their side, because time is going to silence them before they live long enough to see how wrong they were”.
    I hate to break it to you Stevie baby, but I fully expect to last into Maunderish solar minimum that is currently staring humanity in the face. See you there, mate.

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Paul Emery | 02 January 2019 at 12:33 PM
    Are you saying he is not? Prove it then.

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    PaulE 1221pm – Reagan was more popular, if that means anything. And I did like Ronnie better than I do The Donald. But I don’t understand how any of that relates to the Left’s aggregate ignorance of what I cited in my 1022am.

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    did you follow my link Todd? Here it is again. Inform our readers what it shows.
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-trails-only-reagan-among-recent-presidents-in-gop-love.html
    Also if Trump is so popular why did he lose 40 house seats in the midterms? Bush gained 8 in ’02. Trump lost more house seats than any Republican since Ford in
    ’74. If he’s the most popular Republican in history as you and Trump contend how can you explain that?

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    George
    Illustrates how ignorant about reality the current Republican President is. I mean he really believes that. Wouldn’t you not consider that ignorance?

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Paul Emery, who cares? Apparently only liberals.

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    Wow
    The Congressional approval numbers at the end of the Republicans two years of control are at -49.2. No wonder the Democrats stormed the House and won 40 seats.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    PaulE 235pm – Paul, are you going to respond to my 1022am, or is this yet another one-sided conversation?

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42. 

    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    Jurgen Holst writes at 07:34 AM
    ” Why do you waste your time, effort, energy and intellect jousting with morons? ”
    That’s a good question Jurgen. I guess I enjoy putting on display the ignorance of people like Todd Juvinall who claim to be representatives of contemporary Republican thought. It’s idiots like Todd who like to brag about his studlyness being equal to Trumps that elected this immature mentally ill person to the Presidency. His current support for Trumps claim that he is the most popular Republican in history is only the current example. There are occasional interesting conversations though but few and far between
    “

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    Bill Tozer

    02 January 2019

    Where do they find these nutcases? Do they find them in the nuthouses or just pull them out of homeless camps and give them a microphone?
    The same dumb as a bucket of rocks stupid ignorant wet brain buffoon laughingstock who just compared Trump to Hitler is the exact same ignorant wet brain buffoon laughingstock that was concerned that adding 25,000 people to Guam would make the 24 mile long island “capsize”. Same dude, ROFLMAO.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q
    Yeah, and grazing buffalo and building the Wringley Mansion on Santa Catalina Island would make that Island capsize as well. Unbelievable.

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    Paul Emery

    02 January 2019

    Yes George
    Here’s a start
    I consider it autocratic when a government relies on lies to engage in warfare spending American lives and treasure to accomplish wealth for their supporters. Iraq and the destabilization of the middle east beginning with Iran in the dearly 50’s is an example. Not that the Dems are innocent of such endeavors. Take Viet Nam for example.
    Remember it was the Republicans that brought on the so called Patriot act that was a total violation of any kind of freedom we have for privacy from government intrusion and interference in our personal lives. Also the Republicans in Nevada County that proposed Measure W for example restricting our property rights stands out.

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45. 

    scenes

    02 January 2019

    “I consider it autocratic when a government relies on lies to engage in warfare spending American lives and treasure to accomplish wealth for their supporters. ”
    Exactly. The 17 intelligence agencies run their own foreign policy. The party in power is something of a side effect.
    Bummer that you’re in their pocket.
    “Remember it was the Republicans that brought on the so called Patriot act that was a total violation of any kind of freedom we have for privacy from government intrusion and interference in our personal lives. ”
    That Patriot Act ain’t 1/2 of it (hell, it ain’t 1/10 of it). There are plenty of books on the surveillance that’s been set up. You can drive by Bluffdale if you like I guess.
    So, basically we can establish that the bureaucracy likes to (a)stay in power and (b) bomb people. No wonder they want to take down Trump.
    So, at what point do you realize that you are just a stooge for the Deep State Mr. Paul?

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    Jurgen Holst

    02 January 2019

    Paul Emery 2:52-
    “I guess I enjoy putting on display the ignorance of people like Todd Juvinall.”
    I must admit you do that well. And often. He truly is a buffoon.

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    George Rebane

    02 January 2019

    PaulE 259pm – But what if another whole cohort of Americans don’t share that perspective, especially the dastardly conspiracy that the Left has always accused the Republicans of starting wars to fatten their wallets. Yes, we destabilized Iran and put in a corrupt narcissist, but he was our narcissist and not someone who was prepared to give the USSR warm water ports to the world’s critical blue water that surrounded unstable nations in Africa and south Asia. It was a strategic call. And so was removing Saddam who demonstrated his intent to control Europe’s oil supply and become the dominant oil baron of the world. I can go on, but most readers will get the picture.
    And the Patriot Act passed in the heated response to 9/11 was a bit draconian and therefore sunsetted by Congress (which you fail to mention), moreover, after Obama got into office he extended the most intrusive provisions of the act for an additional four years (which you again fail to mention). So yes, liberal democracies at times must take temporary measures for national security (consider all that Wilson and FDR did outside the contexts of their wars), but those historical acts do not support any of your attempts to show that Repubs are somehow sinister promoters of totalitarian government.
    Oh yes, please give up beating Measure W at regular intervals. Calling that property rights restriction is no more than the kinds of property right restrictions we already have in place once a general plan is accepted. Planning departments also restrict property rights. So today does Nevada City in its licensing of MJ outlets; one can even say that progressive controlled NC constantly acts to restrain trade by its intrusive regulations and ordnance. But all that would be a bit specious and gratuitous, now wouldn’t it?

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Oh Jurgen you are a troll so I wear your derision as a badge of courage. Thanks. Morons like you are mostly in the democrat party or the mental wards. How is that straight jacket fitting you?
    As far as the Congressional Job Approval? I agree. They did not back the Trump agenda so they got defeated for not getting the wall and immigration rules done. That is how it goes. Same with the people booting 63 of yours and Jurgeona in 2010.

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    fish

    02 January 2019

    Posted by: scenes | 02 January 2019 at 03:27 PM
    So, at what point do you realize that you are just a stooge for the Deep State Mr. Paul?

    Stooge
    noun [ C ] UK ​ /stuːdʒ/ US ​ /stuːdʒ/ disapproving
    ​
    1) a person who is forced or paid by someone in authority to do an unpleasant or secret job for them:
    The newly appointed mayor is widely regarded as a government stooge.
    ​
    2) an actor in a funny show in the theatre or on television whose job is to allow the main actor to make him or her look silly

    I suppose you could go with this…..I still prefer the term Useful Idiot which is more appropriate in Pauls case due to the voluntary nature of his stooge-itude.

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    Todd Juvinall

    02 January 2019

    Jurgen Holst comes up as a good Nazi on the Google searches too.

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