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The exodus of the producers and the productive from California has been a recurring theme on RR ever since the Democrats assumed total control, turned the state into the nation’s home for welfare recipients, started raising taxes and fees as if there were no tomorrow, and opened its gates to illegal aliens.  Essentially, the Democratic super-majority has turned the state into a sanctuary from sanity.  Among the reams of data presented to buttress the exodus argument, a reader sent me the graphic below that highlights just one aspect of nationwide migrations – and these are NET migrations – from/to our country’s prominent metropolitan areas (more here).

UScityMigrationsThis shows that from LA alone we have a net outflow of 46,720 people per year.  And do you think these are the gimmes who think they’ll get more sanctuary protections and better government bennies from some other state?


The point I want to make here is how Sacramento’s progressive elites continue convincing their grass roots constituencies of the idea that California is not losing people who build, work, and are employed by its businesses.  Granted, as the Dept of Education has told us for years, CA produces, acretes, and aggregates some of the dimmest bulbs on the national intellectual scale.  And Sacramento Democrats have the whole-hearted support of the state’s lamestream media to promote the propaganda bilge that gets pumped out of the capitol.  But what makes that stream of fake news so effective is not that the progressive elites are ignorant, they have the same information RR readers have and perhaps more.  Instead these lying leftwingers range somewhere between the terminally cynical and evil in justifying why they dispense their drivel on demographics.  They know that their constituents can’t tell the difference between the state’s population growth – driven mainly by the influx of the indigent and lower quintile minorities (including illegal aliens) – and the exodus of middle-class workers, upper quintile taxpayers (including the dispersal of big corporations’ facilities, and companies with major markets outside CA).

The evil part comes from constantly taking advantage of their grassroots true believers whom they know from national stats to range between stupid and ignorant.  (Recall, ‘stupid’ means lack of processing power, you’re more or less born with stupid; ‘ignorant’ denotes having a poor knowledge base, which for the non-stupid can be remedied with education and reading.)

A seminal characteristic of the stupid is that their beliefs are more than less immune to new information that counters what is already firmly entrenched.  They don’t embrace Lord Keynes’ refreshing dictum, ‘When new information comes in, I change my mind.  What do you do?’  They often reveal themselves in conversational settings with the preamble, ‘There’s nothing you can say that …’.  In the fields of inference and decision theory, their anchoring beliefs are technically represented with Bayesian probability priors that equal either unity (firm belief that a proposition is TRUE) or zero (firm belief that a proposition is FALSE).  With such starting points, no amount of new evidence is able to budge their prior beliefs, i.e. reduce or increase the belief in a proposition when new evidence arrives.

In our current example of the California Exodus, no data from reliable sources will change the minds of the state’s stupid.  If they have been told to believe that there is no exodus, then there it shall remain – the case is settled.  One can illustrate similar behavior with, say, ‘climate change’ and a number of other publicly bandied and politically momentous propositions.

And in recent years with the influx of coastal collectives (Nevada County is turning blue), our own county now serves as a posterchild of the above-described phenomenon, especially as it comes to CA emigration.  Examples of local leftwing loonies abound both in the regional media and the blogosphere.  I mean there is some serious stupidity afoot around here.

ADDENDUM – [Trigger warning – the following is recommended only for the curious and algebraically astute who want to see and, perhaps, even apply the quantitative aspects of Bayesian learning.  BTW, this formulation also forms the basis of how deep learning networks update themselves with new data.]

Here on RR we have taken journeys through Bayes theorem and Bayesian inference several times over the years, so we won’t have to start from the beginning.  I refer you to ‘Bayes sans equations and tears’ as one my more illuminating dissertations on this for the layman.  There the likelihood form of Bayes is illustrated asBayesLformulaTo see how the firmly entrenched (‘There’s nothing you can say …’) stupid operate in this context, let’s take the hypothesis H = ‘There is no CA exodus’.  As evinced by some local leftwing true believers, their probability P(H) = 1, i.e. it is a certainty that there’s no CA exodus as described.  So now some evidence E comes in from, say, the Dept of Commerce.  And E = numerical dataset showing net exodus of the productive and producers.  Now the decision maker has to form the likelihood ratio L(E|H) = P(E|H)/P(EH) of the two conditional probabilities – P(E|H) is the probability of such evidence occurring when the hypothesis is true, and P(EH) is the probability of such evidence occurring when the hypothesis is false.  In our case P(E|H) is that DepComm issues erroneous data in the face of no exodus, and P(EH) is that DepComm issues such data correctly when the hypothesis is false, i.e. there is in fact such an exodus.

Even the nation’s double dummies don’t think it’s very likely that DepComm will issue such grossly erroneous data.  Let’s assume they think that at most P(E|H) = 0.01 or one chance in a hundred that the data is wrong.  Conversely, given their past record of putting out good data on US population dynamics, they assess that P(EH) = 0.999, i.e. they almost certainly got it right.  Then our likelihood ratio from above is L = 0.01/0.999 = 0.01.  If we insert these into the Bayes equation to find out the impact of new evidence on the double dummy, we have his updated belief that there is no CA exodus as the probability P(H|E) that there is no exodus (H) given the DepComm data (E)

P(H|E) = (0.01*1)/(0.01*1 + 1 – 1) = 1

In short, P(H|E) = P(H) = 1, which means that the evidence from DepComm, no matter how reliable, made absolutely no impact on him.  Putting in P(H) = 0, the other extreme belief, shows again that P(H|E) = P(H) = 0, no matter what the reliability of the newly introduced evidence.  This gives the formal proof that such people with firmly anchored beliefs are beyond the reach of reason, no matter how convincing such evidence is to the rest of us.

We’ll end with a quantitative example of someone with an open mind who at the start has no idea whether there is or is not such an exodus.  Quantitatively this belief (i.e. ignorance of the hypothesis being TRUE or FALSE, is represented by the Bayesian prior P(H) = 0.5, i.e. it can be true or false on a 50-50 basis.)  When such a more reasonable person is given the DepComm evidence, he uses the Bayes formula to update his belief as follows.

P(H|E) = (0.01*0.5)/(0.01*0.5 + 1 – 0.5) = 0.0099 ~ 0.01

This says that the DepComm evidence reduced his belief in the ‘no exodus’ hypothesis from 0.5 to 0.01 or about 50-fold.  Then with this new evidence this individual’s belief in the existence of a CA exodus is updated to 1 – 0.01 = 0.99, or almost certainty (but not quite).  So there you have the technical version of the difference between an educable person and one terminally stupid.  With prior beliefs anchored in bookends of certainty (0 or 1), there literally is nothing you can say or no evidence you can present that will change their minds.

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55 responses to “CA Exodus Denied”

  1. ‘’’M’’’ Avatar
    ‘’’M’’’

    ,,,Don’t do it, don’t go there!!!
    “Overall, Dallas is a Democratic-leaning city, with Democratic voters spreading the majority of the city, especially the central and southern sectors, and conservative Republicans dominating a sliver of suburban neighborhoods in North Dallas.”
    Dallas is only 50% White!!!
    Dallas crime is higher than in LA!!!
    Must be they are going for the jobs…why else would someone move TO a big city???

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  2. Scott O Avatar

    The map said ‘metro areas’. I would assume that would then mean the entire DFW Metroplex. Downtown Dallas is one thing – the area around Dallas is quite another.
    M’s post merely confirms George’s post – complete denial of reality. The left has their dreamed of control of CA and they know what’s coming.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Socialism never expanded an economy nor improved the quality of life of people who were sold its siren song. The more socialistic principles and programs a country embraces the slower its growth until it goes into flirts with crisis and finally succumbs – e.g. Greece, Italy, Spain, Venezuela.
    Communist countries like China and Vietnam are doomed from the gitgo, and can only advance to the extent that they liberalize their economies to embrace entrepreneurs and the enterprises they are allowed to grow. China has hit its ceiling and is now busy installing Orwellian monitoring systems on its citizens who remain forever a threat to the state. Vietnam in its currently totalitarian state is terminally screwed.

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  4. ‘’’M’’’ Avatar
    ‘’’M’’’

    ,,,See ya Scottto,,,enjoy Texas!!!
    Cali population is 30% larger than Texas
    Cali economic output puts it at #5 in GNP,,, Texas is #10
    Texas is 40% bigger so they have room to grow
    Housing prices are definitely lower in Texas
    Housing prices and congestion are motivating people to move to other tech centers and areas where major Fortune 500 companies are located.
    When you have a state with high congestion you build bullet trains and mass transit.

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  5. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ‘’’M’’’ | 16 December 2018 at 08:12 AM
    When you have a state with high congestion you build bullet trains and mass transit.

    Yeah dugsKKKi……and on a positive note……you only be 288 years old when you finally get to ride it!

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    re M 812am – Yes indeed, those are all about the reasons for the exodus. And what kind of politicians made it so that we have housing shortages and traffic congestion and water shortages and legions of gimmes arriving daily??
    Congestion, lack of water, expensive housing has been with us for the last few decades, yet the party in power doesn’t have a clue about the function of dams, intra-state mass transit, repairing infrastructure, … . But they’re great at buying votes from unions with audacious benefit packages for govt workers that has left us awash in unfunded liabilities. And CA’s revenue model is laughable (see new Scattershots).

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  7. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: George Rebane | 16 December 2018 at 09:32 AM
    And CA’s revenue model is laughable (see new Scattershots).

    Don’t worry George….dugsKKKi will be along momentarily to tell you how its not all a Ponzi scheme and that California finances are as “sound as the Pound” (Chalk up another “moment in unintentional humor”).

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  8. '''M''' Avatar
    ”’M”’

    ,,,this sounds more like a bitch session than a discussion.
    ,,,the state tries to develope a bullet train,,,and you constantly bitch about how much it costs,,,do you want the Fed to gimmee you a train for free?

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    M 1044am – Don’t develop stuff the cost of which you have no idea, the usability of which you haven’t a clue, the existence of its usership is highly doubtful, the schedule of its construction is pie in the sky, and the financing of it promises to be a disaster. Only a socialist planner has the hubris to do that, knowing that the helpless taxpayer will bear ALL the burden of his fuck-ups.
    How about starting out with express trains on the existing LA-SF tracks that can support 100mph travel, and see how many takers there will be at different price points? Given the snail’s pace of short-distance air travel, that approach will be very time competitive with flying.

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  10. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: ”’M”’ | 16 December 2018 at 10:44 AM
    Ur funny when you hitch up your thoughtful poster pants!

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  11. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,so shut down the existing rail corridors needed for commuters and commerce to try and upgrade every railroad crossing with vehicle over or under-crossings,,,Brilliant!!!

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  12. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,and do the above ‘for free’!!!

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    M 1106am – Not sure what kind of track scheduling and frequency of trains you’re talking about. And yes, there would be some upgrade costs involved, but we’re only planning for 100mph speeds which is within the range that the current rails can handle. I would envision at most four (2 each way) express trains a day which would minimally impact existing traffic scheduling. And the cost of such an interim solution would be about two orders of magnitude lower than any existing bullet train pipe dream.

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  14. Scott O Avatar

    M – “See ya Scottto,,,enjoy Texas!!!”
    Actually we currently are enjoying Texas. Our daughter and son-in-law have lived here for years (his company re-located from CA).
    I’d love to understand M’s stance on the so-called bullet train. If the local car dealer scammed him on a car deal anywhere nearly as bad as the Brown Steak Express, he’d blow a fuse. Nothing like politically connected fat cats screwing the taxpayers abetted by idiot Dem pols to get the left all excited.
    Go back and look at the promised rail system that the people voted for and then look at the lies told to support the work so far. Then look at what they now admit the system will cost and triple that. All for a joke of a rail system that was obsolete the day they started to lay rail.
    If the train actually ever goes anywhere near as fast as they claim, they’ll need to have TSA screen every passenger just as they do at airports. The whole thing is a pipe dream (look up the original meaning) by delusional incompetents.

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  15. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “M” sagely notes: “When you have a state with high congestion you build bullet trains and mass transit.”
    The Fresno->Bakersfield commuters thank you.

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  16. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Trains have run at speeds of 100 mph with averages of 77mph for the last 70 years. Every builder of successful high speed trains in the globe have balked at the Brownstreak. Private sector funding is not forth comings as Wall St. balkes. To add icing on the cake, the train will not save the planet. Construction and operation will create more CO2 than if could ever save, including the green electric sections. Of yeah. The train has to be profitable, so the “passengers” will be the high end business class, not us po folk.
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/californias-bullet-train-to-fiscal-oblivion/
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/californias-bullet-train-is-hurtling-towards-disaster.html
    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-bullet-train-20180930-story.html
    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/10/californias-bullet-train-is-now-officially-insane/

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  17. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    GeorgeR: “How about starting out with express trains on the existing LA-SF tracks that can support 100mph travel, and see how many takers there will be at different price points?”
    Exactly precisely right.
    Spend a small fraction of the ridiculous high speed rail money on improving/modernizing existing lines, maybe even run them at a loss to jump start the whole deal. Improve the terminals. Market the thing.
    I doubt that California could ever build a large mass transit network that regular people will use just due to personal security issues. As long as CA cities are homeless/petty crime/doper central the sketchy situation on the trains and stations will keep people off.
    Of course, it’s always wise to separate commute from travel needs. Planes are pretty cool, scale up nicely, only require a facility at each end, and already exist.
    I’m surprised that no one has droned on about how ‘GM KILLED THE STREETCARS’ and that’s why California is not just like Japan.
    No doubt everyone has seen this before, but this is the face of California mass transit. Behold Blue Mob utopia.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQctLUab5Ks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsi2HBM9PlU

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  18. Scott O Avatar

    scenes 2:37 – you’re wasting your time. The lefty grandees that inhabit Nevahdah County will never have to actually face any of what you just posted. (or that’s why they left LA or the Bay Area) And if they ever come across actual wretched humans such as that, they simply blame it on Republicans and scurry along to their next morally superior event.
    Folks forget what the bus stations used to be like. And why they then decided the personal auto would be their choice of transit.
    You want to ‘engineer’ humans into having to use public transport?
    Check out videos of the stations in Japan for the bullet trains. Funny – not a junkie in sight.

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  19. ***M*** Avatar
    ***M***

    ,,,gee willikers,,,now why would they want to begin by building high speed track in a flat, sparsely populated area surrounded by relatively cheap ag land,,,

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  20. Scott O Avatar

    M at 3:38 – They’re following Willie Brown’s maxim about ‘start digging a hole and use all of the money – then figure the public will let you keep digging so as not to waste the money already spent’.
    Is M supporting DiFi’s little cash pile?
    Hmmmmm?

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  21. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    M = “now why would they want to begin by building high speed track in a flat, sparsely populated area surrounded by relatively cheap ag land,,,”
    Good idea. Maybe they could build from El Centro to Slab City next time.
    My take is that the fix is in. Somebody is going to make a lot of money on the whole deal, either property owners or contractors.

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  22. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    @413-
    General contractors, pr hacks, lawyers and of course lobbyists will be the big winners!
    😉

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  23. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: scenes | 16 December 2018 at 04:13 PM
    Nobody is terribly surprised by dugsKKKi employing the “Drunkards Search Principle”?

    A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, and that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, “this is where the light is”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect

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  24. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    The easiest leg of the Brownstreak through cheap Ag land has hit a hitch. They haven’t even purchased the land necessary to complete a 120 mile section yet. But, they started building, lol. They better have a 120 mile stretch completed by 2022 or else CA will have to repay the Fed’s 3.5 billion (with a B ) that Uncle Sam fronted CA as per the agreement. Thus the rush, even though after all these years, a route has not even been decided upon yet.
    Just start building it and hopefully they can get the land purchased and get pass those pesky EIRs and bothersome evnironental lawsuits. :). 3.5 billion is just a drop in bucket and the maintance costs of higher speeds on the system will force the bullet train to throttle their speeds down, just as Japan learned. Exorbinate maintance costs and wear and tear on the rails and cars at higher speeds. Plus, any loads will have to be light if used for freighter pick up some tares.
    Union Pacific said, “No way are we going to left you use our rails.” Bummer.
    Build it and they will come. A fancy looking Amtrak when all is said and done, but with more stops.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#742256e1c080
    The cost was originally supposed to be split among the state, the federal government and private business. But that arrangement faltered, as hopes for federal dollars faded with Republicans in power in Washington and businesses shied away from such an uncertain venture. As of now, the rail authority has come up with less than $30 billion of the necessary $100 billion, and the project’s costs are expected to continue to rise.
    “The rest has to be found,” said Martin Wachs, an emeritus engineering professor at the University of California at Berkeley and a member of a committee appointed by the Legislature to review the project. “At the moment, 100 percent of the cost is going to be absorbed by the taxpayers.”
    Beginning construction without all of the financing in place represents a strategic gamble by the rail authority, and by Mr. Brown, that once enough work is completed, future leaders will be loath to walk away from the project and leave a landscape of unfinished pillars, viaducts, bridges and track beds. Faced with reduced resources, the authority has altered its plans, and is now focused on finishing a 119-mile stretch of track from Bakersfield to Madera by 2022.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/california-high-speed-rail.html

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  25. Scott O Avatar

    The California High Speed Rail construction project has a lot to like for lots of special interests. The so-called Republican mayor of Fresno was not on board until the project promised to pay for all of the overpasses the City of Fresno had proposed to construct to expand into the west side of Hwy 99. Ka-ching! Now we likes it! The project is now paying for electrification and expansion of bay area rail projects that have nothing to do with the original mandate.
    It has become the cash cow king of California buying out any opposition with wads of cash as it grows. Anyone with enough clout to actually slow it down will find him or her self unable to talk with all of the money shoved into their mouth.
    The left loves it.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    We are really waiting for a leftwing apologist like Mr M to come and set all this bullet train saga straight in our minds.

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  27. Wes Avatar
    Wes

    What a way to spend the final years of your life, George. Writhing in despair and wallowing in self pity. Why not just hang it up?. Or simply move to garden spot like El Paso.

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  28. Walt Avatar

    When the high speed rail was first proposed, I was all for it. It works pretty good everywhere else. A proven venture. Yup “BUILD THE DAMNED THING!” So I bet on the horse in the dog food bound truck. Well, it sounded like a good idea at the time. THEN,,,, Greedy LIBS got their lunch hooks into it. Gov can’t get a train to run on time, let alone build one. And these are the same ones you want controlling your health care? Seek professional help. Preferably one mot on the gov. payroll.

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  29. Bill Tozer Avatar
    Bill Tozer

    Ah heck, more for the road.
    “And to be clear, right now there does not appear to be much real thought about how this train project can actually progress beyond this initial phase. Ralph Vartabedian of the Los Angeles Times politely understates:
    It remains unclear how the Central Valley cost increases will affect the total program, which under the 2016 business plan is supposed to cost $64 billion. But the jump in the Central Valley — a 77% increase above the original estimate — suggests the authority and its consultants have vastly underestimated the difficulties of buying land, obtaining environmental approvals, navigating through complex litigation and much else.
    Assuming the rest of the project saw the same budget increase, the whole project would skyrocket to more than $113 billion. And you probably shouldn’t assume that the project’s unexpected budget increases will scale at the same rate. The train’s construction will get more challenging as it heads toward San Francisco and Los Angeles.”
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/17/californias-boondoggle-bullet-train-abou
    Here is another link….just because I liked the headline…..The boondoggle’s boondoggle. 🙂
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-californias-bullet-train-is-the-boondoggles-boondoggle/

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  30. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    The Dr. R I know pities the victims of the socialists OPM policies, sees the damage to good business and like many of us has innumerable blessing and fun times el trollio @ 509.
    Did you ever notice how people without children like so many of the self proclaimed ‘betters’ and much of the EU, May, Macron, Merkle & that’s why they only have a me, me, me focus with no thoughts about the future of their countries kids?
    They just think about how hard its to get a maid to clean up after the poodles and they need to make that easier.
    😉

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  31. fish Avatar
    fish

    Posted by: Wes | 16 December 2018 at 05:09 PM
    You could spend all your time shitting yourself while “on the right side of history “ like a certain Mensa member who likes to post here

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    Wes 509pm – “Wallowing in self pity”?? Wes, unless you have already made your ‘go to hell’ money, you have no clue about what you are talking.

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  33. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    GeorgeR: “How about starting out with express trains on the existing LA-SF tracks that can support 100mph travel, and see how many takers there will be at different price points?”
    It just occurred to me that that practically exists already.
    It’s called a ‘bus’.

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Wes is a troll.

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  35. Scott O Avatar

    Wes knows CA HSR is a stupid money pit backed by ignorant left wing losers. But those darned right wingers are agin’ it so Wes has to be for it.
    Nothing to do but throw rocks at the right wingers.
    Better improve your aim, Wes.
    Oh – and I will be living long enough to see the whole thing crash and burn. It was all one big lie from the start. No responsible civil engineer ever thought it would work. Remember it has to be paid for solely by the fares it generates.
    Can you do the math?

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  36. Bill Tozet Avatar
    Bill Tozet

    It’s called a ‘bus
    I thought it was called Amtrak, the passenger rail service that loses money on every ticket it sells in most of the West and is generally more expensive than flying..
    Of its 48 lines, only five make a profit and one breaks even.May 28, 2015

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  37. Scott O Avatar

    BT – “Of its 48 lines, only five make a profit and one breaks even.”
    And just think – those rail lines were paid for decades ago. The HSR will cost well over 100 billion and then we start to talk about operational costs and maintenance.
    Wes is out looking for rocks.

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  38. Don Bessee Avatar
    Don Bessee

    Can you do the math? @ 650 You so mean Scott, that’s sooo judgmental. (Does anyone remember when having good judgement was an admirable attribute for a good employee?) Didn’t you see that a school had a whole “Day” of adult training day where you could select 3 of 11 offered courses? Balance a check book, how to cook, personal hygiene, tire changing and so on. The average age attending was in the mid 20’s. So how much did it co$t us all to raise those poor kid victims of school union and the state to functional inability?
    Too many generations of the single party, party line education coupled with too many kids with kids who are all about being friends instead of parents. Especially those working hard on being the cool parents which is an abrogation or parenting responsibility.
    We all see their usual known suspects over and over and over. To take a page from another RR regular; Why, why, why?
    😉

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  39. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    “I thought it was called Amtrak,”
    Heck, a goodly part of Amtrak routes is called a bus. As an efficient source of travel for the poor, they’re hard to beat.
    Honestly, I’d rather they took all the money for high speed rail and wasted it on developing self driving (and perhaps electric) cars. You can imagine the change in freeway travel if that problem were really nailed, plus it’s a more interesting boondoggle.
    Putting in trains as a replacement for short haul airlines is one of the stupidest things I’ve seen in some time.
    You just know that the baksheesh is really going to flow with the train to nowhere.

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  40. Scott O Avatar

    Don 7:14 – sigh, I guess it’s because I was the offspring of those who went through the depression and WWII. They couldn’t afford to be snow flakes.
    Everyone is for progress, unless they have to actually pony up their fair share of the bill. There are so many non-payers that vote we end with stupidity as the norm. And the wealthy love stupid democracy. Because the stupid always vote with their feelings instead of their brains.

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  41. Wes Avatar
    Wes

    George 6:14 – Yes, wallowing in self pity. Frustrated that the world as you know it is coming to an end. You have convinced yourself that the last great century of mankind is upon us and that history ended about the time you were born. Stuff that you state and roll over in your mind day after day. And on and on and on. Go back four years and your screed is largely the same (and the audience hasn’t grown – it would appear). Yes George. You may have another term for your abject depression, I simply view it as pity upon yourself because you couldn’t change the fate of mankind with the countless thousands of hours you’ve wasted holding court on this blog. Hours you could have spent smelling the roses, taking walks, baking bread and mingling with your family and friends. Time wasted and never to be found again

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  42. Scott O Avatar

    Thank you, Wes. Since you have no argument or facts to counter the original post or the ensuing discussion of CA’s latest and largest money pit, you decide to fabricate a laughable picture of poor ol George endlessly wringing his hands over mankind’s folly. If you took the time to meet him and share his daily life, you would find your assessment of his existence to be far wide of the mark.

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  43. scenes Avatar
    scenes

    George complains about the world and Wes complains about George.
    After that, it’s turtles all the way down.
    In terms of taxes and The Exodus (the point of the post, after all), I keep wondering when California residents will be smacked with new taxes on assets. There just has to be a way to extract a few more dollars and stay away from property taxes. A parking fee for 401(k)s really should get invented in order to pay for the state employee guaranteed pensions after all.
    Speaking of which, I wonder just how many California expats are retired state .gov workers who like the idea of a monthly check from one place and the lower housing prices of another? A person could get rich marketing a Sun City for CA public safety guys with the need for Harley and Corvette storage.

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  44. ‘’’M’’’ Avatar
    ‘’’M’’’

    ,,,Do the collective RR brain trust imagine that rail designers did not have a reason to start the project in the Central Valley??? Do the RR anti-infrastructure collective imagine that 100mph ‘semi-high-speed’ passenger trains will be able to actually fly over low speed freighters using the same tracks???
    Too late, it has begun!!! Job, Jobs, Jobs!!!
    Look at all those ditches being dug Walter!!!
    https://www.hsr.ca.gov

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    Posted by: ‘’’M’’’ | 17 December 2018 at 08:09 AM
    Like I said……cheapening the rich Scottish intellectual tradition every time he tickles the keyboard!

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    ,,,news o’ the day,,,fish regains consciousness

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    Posted by: M | 17 December 2018 at 08:39 AM
    Ahh….mistaken yet again dugsKKKi! We never sleep!!

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    “Do the collective RR brain trust imagine that rail designers did not have a reason to start the project in the Central Valley???”
    A most insightful and wise question.
    Why put the Selma Flyer in the cheapest and least valuable area? Use it or lose it funding? Fallacy of previous investment? Hard to say. Usually you start with the most useful part of a thing.
    To some extent, I’ll enjoy the disaster. I believe that the system is forced by law to not be subsidized and to be run by an outside vendor. The hand waving involved when they go back to the endless bounty of the taxpayer should be some fun.

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    You know, it’s time to roll out that old chestnut again. Art predicts the future.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM

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