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Sandbox – 14dec18

14 December 2018

[The Travails of Trump continue morning, noon, and night. He and his family is daily indicted, convicted, and condemned without any evidence presented to the public save the constant repetitious ravings of progressive pundits who never retract anything, leaving their TDS audience believing that their offal is gospel. gjr]

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319 responses to “Sandbox – 14dec18”

Walt

14 December 2018

Paul’s socialism takes a BIG hit.
The law, known as Obamacare, was effectively nullified by the ruling. … Judge O’Connor ruled that, therefore, the mandate without a tax penalty attached was unconstitutional, and so too the rest of the law. “The court … declares the Individual Mandate UNCONSTITUTIONAL,” Reed judgment concludes.33 mins ago
Texas judge dismantles Obamacare, ruling individual mandate …
https://www.gloucestertimes.com/…obamacare-ruling…unconstitutional/article_5d0a36ca…
The wicked witch of the West won’t be happy.

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Bill Tozer

14 December 2018

Lol. They brought ole Joe Lockhart back from the Swamp Gas to float a trial ballon zinger. My Gal is sure an vindictive one. Nasty woman. Love it.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/randy-hall/2018/12/14/cnn-brings-clinton-hack-joe-lockhart-was-trump-legitimately-elected
https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1501676553299710/?type=3&source=48
https://www.facebook.com/Qanon.com.au/videos/343436716213681/UzpfSTEwMDAxODQ5NTA5NDI5MDo1MzA2Mjc0MDQxMTk0MzA/

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Todd Juvinall

14 December 2018

Back from Stockton where I got to view a homeless encampment. What a mess.
Now we see the new state Legislature that has super-powers wanting to spend that rainy day fund. Not a chirp about homeless people or housing. My what a wonderful group.
Trump’s tax returns are not going to be exposed. Anyone that releases them has them illegally in the first place and can do some heavy jail time. And a person releasing them too. Trump has not committed any crime yet the pathetically ignorant liberals and talking heads are screaming TREASON! You cannot expect such stupid people as they are to be reasonable on anything.

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Todd Juvinall

14 December 2018

I was told today that Judge Newsome was light in the heels. Anyone confirm that?

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Walt

14 December 2018

Where is Paul??? Still looking for a crime?
The question too hard?
OK,, Narrow it down to hush money…. Now…. Find the criminal statute that applies. Can you do that? Can you FIND it?,,, HUMMMM????
Your all yap and real short on facts.
As for your “circle of jerks”,,I guess that makes you the “head pivot”.

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Bill Tozer

14 December 2018

The process is the punishment. The lefties know that all too well.

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Don Bessee

14 December 2018

Another one of 0’s acomplishments bites the dust, another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust –
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional-015535506.html
😉

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Walt

14 December 2018

This shows just how out of touch Progressives are.
“Today’s ruling is an assault on 133 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, on the 20 million Americans who rely on the A.C.A.’s consumer protections for health care, on America’s faithful progress toward affordable health care for all Americans,” Xavier Becerra, California’s attorney general
Heath care has NEVER cost as much as it does NOW. And the rat bastard has the brass ones to call it affordable?
Gov. could not run a whore house. Yet LIBS want them to run healthcare. Great critical thinking skills.

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Bill Tozer

14 December 2018

Meuller released a 302 in court today as ordered by Judge Sullivan in the Flynn case. Odd, it wasn’t THE 302, just a 302 that made reference to the 302 the judge ordered presented.
Sullivan ain’t no dummie. He saw the same bunch riding roughshod over Ted Stevens. Got thrown out, but unfortunately after Steven’s death in an airplane crash.

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Don Bessee

14 December 2018

Well no wonder cali passed a bill to oppose it!
Internet speed-test company Ookla released a study this week on American Internet speeds which found that broadband download speeds have increased by 35.8 percent, while upload speeds have increased by 22 percent compared to last year.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/14/study-u-s-internet-speeds-skyrocket-one-year-after-net-neutrality-repeal/
😉

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larry wirth

14 December 2018

What’s all the tax return yap about? Do the Dims not realize that if there was anything wrong with them, Obama’s weaponized IRS would have body slammed him years ago. Other than that, they’re none of anybody’s ‘effin business. L

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Tricky McClean

15 December 2018

“Trump shovels more dirt on California Republicans’ graves…”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/15/trump-vietnam-war-refugees-california-gop-orange-county-1066639

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Steve Frisch

15 December 2018

Seriously Fish my term was and is Circle of Stupid not Paul’s alternative. Frankly the image of 12 angry men here in such a circle is one I choose not to envision.
But even more humorous is George’s contention that because we have not seen all of the evidence that is an indication that the portions of the evidence we cannot see doesn’t exist. That unseen evidence is sitting in the hands of prosecutors, federal District Attorneys, Grand Juries and State Attorneys General, and yet to be publicly revealed, which is how our justice system works.
The evidence that crimes have been committed is inherent in the numerous guilty pleas, indictments and yet to be released testimony. We will see it as people are charged, tried and in some cases enter agreements. Already there has been ample public evidence of obstruction of justice, perjury, bribery, campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and wire fraud to show this is by far the most corrupt administration in modern American history.
The fact that sycophantic supporters here are still on board with Mr. MAGA is proof of your rejection of all of your previously stated values and really just shows you never possessed the values claimed to begin with.
Here’s how this will end: Trump will resign in late 2019 or early 2020 but before the South Carolina primary, in exchange for immunity for himself and his close family.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Stevey must have started drinking early.

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steve Frisch

15 December 2018

I don’t know about you Walt but I’ve never thought of 7:30 am as early for reading. I guess if your comprehendion level is Brietbart and the Daily Caller you might need to be sure you are firing on every cylinder.

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Todd Juvinall

15 December 2018

Walt I think Frisch can’t help himself. Mental illness is not his fault. But if you read only left wing rags like he does you double down on the problem. His smarts level is about half of Georges.

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Bill Tozer

15 December 2018

Here’s how this will end: Trump will resign in late 2019 or early 2020 but before the South Carolina primary, in exchange for immunity for himself and his close family.
Posted by: Steve Frisch | 15 December 2018 at 07:39 AM
Another “Mark the tape!” moment. Duly noted.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Well Stevey,, Adam Schiff for brains claimed to have “overwhelming” proof of Russian monkey business. He had EVERY opportunity to spill it. And just WTF is it?
Where is all this evidence? Accusations is not evidence.
HELL! You can’t even prove an illegal act with the whore payoff.
Do Proggys really want to go there? Half the Proggys in SAC. will face criminal charges for paying hush money, and with our tax dollars no less.

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scenes

15 December 2018

“The fact that sycophantic supporters here are still on board with Mr. MAGA is proof of your rejection of all of your previously stated values ”
I think that’s a fair criticism to some extent. Trump is not particularly conservative in the Republican Chamber of Commerce or Religious Right sense.
OTOH, it’s fun watching Team Blue stroke the Intelligence State/War Party’s knee and ask for some lovin’.
Generally, it’s hard to feel drawn to a group made up of John Brennan, Paul Emery, the Clintons, Google, the upcoming gerontocracy that’s going to be running the House.
My own take is that deeper loyalties and enemies are being exposed. The Right that is evolving will put up with a lot to simply save Western Civilization (which has had beaucoup forms of government policy) and the Left (the parts that aren’t simply self-interested tribal groups) desires the opposite. All the usual arguments about guns, healthcare, right to life/choice, environment, are being recast to suit the bigger clash.
Like it or not, the current flash point is mass movement of people from the Third World. Given demographics trends, you either end up with countermeasures or surrender.
Whether the Blue Mob retains it’s ability to tear down the old world remains to be seen. These things can go either way.

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Walt

15 December 2018

That didn’t take much, squeeze the proggys for any proof of their allegations, and they scatter like roaches when the lights come on.
Not to be heard of till the subject changes.

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Steve Frisch

15 December 2018

Walt, Adam Schiff can’t reveal anything that is presented in closed testimony in the House Intelligence Committee without the consent of the committee which is controlled until January 3, 2019 by Devon Nunes. If he reveals anything from closed testimony it is a violation of House rules and he can be removed.
We will see what he has when he controls the agenda of the committee in the next session.
Re: the campaign finance violations, or what you referred to as ‘the whore payoff,’we now have two of the three people in the room on the McDougal payoff publically testifying through agreements that the payoff occurred, was intentional, and was done with knowledge that it was a probable campaign finance violation. You can go read the agreements if you want to they are public record. The third person in the room was the President of the United States of America.
Yep, I love America and the American system of justice and rule of law, which means an accusation is not proof of guilt, but a statement is evidence my friend. So fine, let’s indict the President and let him stand trial.

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Steve Frisch

15 December 2018

Seriously Scenes the crew tearing down the western world order, or the Westphalian Order as George has labeled it, is so clearly the ‘nationalist right’ that it isn’t even close.
The right has embraced so many authoritarian and ffascist values and tactics that, in reply to Fish, I will state you are not all Nazis, but your host is, and the rest of you are just generally so swayed by propaganda that you no longer recognize that you are antithetical to American values.

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Walt

15 December 2018

DAMN!!!!! Things keep getting better and better!
Paul was/is all in a hissy fit about a possible uprising from the Right.
But Paul!!!
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/12/15/patreon-tolerates-calls-for-violence-from-leftists-while-demonetizing-conservatives/
“Patreon, a website which allows users to submit donations to independent creators and projects on a monthly or one-time basis, has attracted a reputation for banning right-wingers from the platform for dubious reasons. Meanwhile, it tolerates open calls for political violence from the extremist left.
Research by Far Left Watch, which monitors left-wing extremism, found numerous examples of pro-violence left wing groups and individuals that have active Patreon accounts.”
Its founder according to Far Left Watch, Brett Anderson, was arrested in 2017 for disorderly conduct and obstructing police during a protest against a pro-Trump rally in Omaha.
“Antifa account on Patreon that used the platform to distribute a poster encouraging supporters to attack right-wingers with bike locks — a reference to a real incident in which a left-wing professor attacked multiple Trump supporters with just such a weapon.”
Yup, This is Paul’s “non violent” Left he speaks so lovingly about.
And he gives Trump backers crap?

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Walt

15 December 2018

Steve!! Name the statute that makes those payoffs a crime.
Smarter and better people than you still can’t.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Steve “Adam Schiff can’t reveal anything that is presented in closed testimony in the House Intelligence Committee ”
LOL!! “Memogate” Short memory? That was all declassified are released. Nice try.

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scenes

15 December 2018

S. Frisch: “is so clearly the ‘nationalist right’ that it isn’t even close.”
So?
It’s only in the last couple of years that ‘nationalism’ has come to be equated with ‘kill six million jews’ by Team Blue.
In truth, there are a lot of ways that nationalism can be expressed. The US was chock-a-block full of it until just recently.
Truth is, nations (and by that I mean ‘nations’, not states) are such a successful concept that your choice appears to be to belong to one or to be dominated by one. They aren’t just made up of a legal system and enforcement.

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Posted by: Walt | 15 December 2018 at 08:47 AM
Sure Walt, here are the code references to the 7 counts being discussed…..you can look any of them up by doing a simple United States Code search….Yale has a good site; I’m not sure if Brietbart does.
The Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended, Title 52, United States Code, Sections 30101, et seq. (“Election Act-)
18 U.S.C. S. 371 (conspiracy-l count)
52 U.S.C. $. 30109 (d) (1) (A) (i); S. 20116 (f) plus S. U.S.C. S. 2 (causing unlawful campaign contributions—2 counts)
52 U.S.C S. 30104 (a) (1); S. 30104 (b) (5) (A); S. 30109 (d)(1)(A)(i); S. 18 U.S.C. 2 (causing false campaign expenditure reporting—2 counts)
52 U.S.C S. 30109 (d) (1); S. 30116 (f); S. 30122; 18 U.S.C. S. 2 (making contributions in the name of another—2 counts)

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Posted by: Walt | 15 December 2018 at 08:56 AM
If you will remember Walt the Adam Schiff House Intelligence Committee Memo had to be reviewed and approved by the majority before it was released.

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scenes

15 December 2018

To be fair, I misquoted Mr. Frisch here. He is making a point that the thing tearing down the nation is the nation, which is something of an odd concept.
The new temptation for Team Blue is to make nationalism itself an evil. That’s in addition to ripping apart millennia (longer?) old concepts of gender, sense of history, in-group loyalty.
The economics arguments are besides the point. Heck, Bismarck was largely responsible for the German public health system. I’ll happily trade you a border for single payer.

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‘’’M’’’

15 December 2018

,,,Thanks Steve,,,but Walt aka Mensa Man willl not open links other than Brietbart and Daily Caller

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Walt

15 December 2018

You mean those same “violations” “O” and Co. was guilty of?
(to the tune of 2 million bucks)
Now tell us who got prosecuted. (no one)
So “influencing” and election is a crime? So smart guy, explain how NON OF US are NOT guilty of the same thing?
YOU gave money to “influence an election”. I had a sign or two in my yard!
Trump used his own damned money “if” he paid them off.

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Todd Juvinall

15 December 2018

None of those statutes have a thing to do with Trump. Obfuscating here is exposed quite rapidly. There is no crime and there will be no punishment. The left is cracking up. Pencil neck Schiff is a true lefty partisan hack and he a Swawell deserve to be jailed. But they are the heroes for the Frsichs of the country. Our fathers that fought the NAZI’s and saved the world would be so disgusted with the democrats .

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Walt

15 December 2018

You mean THIS Stevey? He still has nothing.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/01/meghan_mccain_asks_rep_adam_schiff_if_there_is_evidence_of_treasonous_collusion_with_russia.html
“So it is important that we set out the facts for the public… about what the Russians told Papadapolous, about what the Russians did in setting up that meeting in Trump Tower. Bear in mind, that meeting in Trump Tower took place after he is alerted that the Russians have these emails. Don Jr. is told, hey, at the highest levels ultrasensitive we have incriminating evidence about Hillary Clinton as part of the Russian government’s effort to help Donald Trump.
That looks a lot like collusion to me. ”
And this is “evidence” ? No wonder he’s called “Schiff for brains”

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Sorry Scenes but the current wave of American nationalism has some very troubling characteristics that make it look more like the rise of American fascism than just a quaint patriotic love of country.
There is a general disdain for human rights both home and abroad as evidenced by the growing divorce of American foreign policy from human rights values.
There is a general vilification of the ‘opposition’ though chants like ‘lock her up’ or George’s identification of all liberals as collectivists and communists, or vilification of others as not part of the American culture.
Within a sub culture of Americans there is a resurgence of socially acceptable sexism as evidenced by the plea for mothers to be more concerned about the 1% of sexual assault cases where their sons may be falsely accused rather than the 99% of cases where their daughters may be forcibly raped.
There is a renewed attack on the American media as the ‘enemy of the people’ despite being the only industry specifically called out in the Constitution for protection.
There is the dramatic increase in military budgets and increase in border enforcement (even though illegal immigration has actually declines).
There is the wrapping of leadership in a mantle of religion even though they are clearly actual antithetical to core Christian values, including the President. More specifically the gradual re-introduction of religion into public education and the use of public funds for religious private education.
There is the clear support for corporate power in tax codes and regulatory policy at the expense of labor and the people.
There is the increase in MAGA freaks disdaining science, intellectualism, and the arts, making dumb a fucking virtue. (Which makes me wonder what ‘western civilization’ George seeks to protect…the civilization of imbeciles and brutes?)
There is the increase in rhetoric about crime and specifically crime associated with anyone who is not a Christian white male, even though crime rates have also declined over the past several decades.
Finally, there is the insanely high level of government corruption and self dealing going right into the White House (heard Zinke is resigning today)
Yes, I took this from a common internet theme of the 12 signs of fascism….but hell, if the fucking fascist shoe fits, I am making you guys wear it.
Here is my plea to you…grow a pair and return to American values and history becaue you are looking a lot like Stalin’s crew.
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
2. Disdain for human rights
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
4. Rampant sexism
5. Controlled mass media
6. Obsession with national security
7. Religion and government intertwined
8. Corporate power protected
9. Labor power suppressed
10. Disdain for intellectual and the arts
11. Obsession with crime and punishment
12. Rampant cronyism and corruption

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Bill Tozer

15 December 2018

This week in pictures: The good, bad, and ugly. “How World War 3 Started” was a bettter one.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/the-week-in-pictures-photo-op-edition.php

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

“He is making a point that the thing tearing down the nation is the nation, which is something of an odd concept.”
No scenes,I am making the point that the thing tearing down the nation is the perversion of American history, tradition and values being advanced by Trump and the American political ‘right.’ who follow and support him.

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‘’’M’’’

15 December 2018

,,,Todd,,, ‘’’I was told today that Judge Newsome was light in the heels’’’
Sad,,,another missed opportunity for romance???

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 15 December 2018 at 09:40 AM
Seriously Todd, you simply did not have time to go read those statutes (whereas I have been looking at them for months as I have collected them from Lawfare and others) so nothing you say means shit.
I would encourage everyone here to look them up, read them and think about what they mean…and look at the case law. Yes, we need a trial, but the evidence that the President committed at least 7 campiagn felonies is pretty clear.

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Todd Juvinall

15 December 2018

Seriously Steve Frisch, I suggest you read the statutes before you embarrass yourself again as usual. None have a thing to do with Trump. Also since you are not a lawyer, maybe a failed restauranter, you are not qualified to even suggest a statute as you dont understand them.
“M” no that would be your gig.

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Posted by: Walt | 15 December 2018 at 09:47 AM
Seriously Walt, I think at times your are just too dense to understand the difference between evidence that is the product of an investigation, like e-mails, text messages, and direct witness interviews, and a member of Congress answering a question on an interview show. Schiff was not saying anything about any specific evidence either the House or the Special Counsel have, he was talking about what is already in the public record.
And seriously, if you don’t know the difference between having a sign in your yard and making an illegal campaign donation I can’t help you. You just look silly big man.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Now we are fascists? What was the name on that cheap ass box of booze you drank? Was it distilled out a Chinese radiator?
Damn dude,, learn how to mow your own lawn, and sweep the drive.

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Walt

15 December 2018

An illegal “donation”… It was HIS money!
Take another pull of the jug.

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Robert Cross

15 December 2018

In the “collusion is a crime” category — former federal prosecutor for Clinton, Bush, and Obama, Seth Waxman says The federal bribery statute — 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2)(B) — makes it a federal crime for a public official to “collude” in a fraud on the United States. More specifically, the federal bribery statute expressly states that a crime is committed when a public official “directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value … in return for … being influenced to … collude in … any fraud … on the United States.”
Trump has said “no collusion” hundreds of times. On September 13, trump passed the 5,000 lies or misleading statements mark. On September 7, trumpster the dumpster set a new single day record at 125 lies or misleading statement.
You know the story, if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough people will believe it. An assumption that has been proven time and time again on these pages with regard to numerous topics in the trumposphere.

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Hey a friend told me today that over on “Trumpsingles.com” some of the gals are discussing Todd Juvinall being impotent…
You know stuff like this can cut both ways….:)

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Bill Tozer

15 December 2018

Re: 9:49 am
Well, it looks like Steve does not like us very much. Just a tastey menu, where to begin? (Closing eyes I will put finger on screen and pick one.)
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause. Ok, #3 is as good as any to start.
Deplorables, irredeemables, racists, sexist, homophobes, Dregs Of Society, bitter clingers, Islamophoes, A and that is only a start. We are all Nazis now so, Steve, what did you expect? Thank heavens we have not disappointed you. Gotta play the part. 🙂
http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/11/stigma-conservative-politics-worse-stigma-gay/
Trump did not create the division. Because of the division, we have Trump. Trump did not create the hate and totalatarism of the Left. He exposed it.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Again “hush money” is NOT a crime.(at least for LIBS)
“Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier of Hillsborough said Wednesday that over the last 20 years, Congress has settled 260 complaints of workplace discrimination “at a cost to taxpayers of this country of $15 million,” reiterating a figure she quoted on NBC Tuesday. But it’s unclear how many of those complaints were related to sexual harassment, versus racial or other forms of discrimination, because Congress doesn’t release that information, nor is it subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.”
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article184870288.html
Tax money used for “hush money”..
Yes.. Let’s talk about what a crime is.

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Walt

15 December 2018

Wait a minute. Someone here is supposed to keep his yap shut about politics. It’s a violation of a non profit money… I DO recall reading that somewhere.

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Steven Frisch

15 December 2018

Posted by: Walt | 15 December 2018 at 10:24 AM
I always chuckle about how little you guys actually know about the law.

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Todd Juvinall

15 December 2018

Sure Steve Frisach. A failed restauranter liened for hundreds of thousands of illegally swiping employees money and now a failed non profiter is trying to tell us what a legal statute means. Sorry but you are just ignorant.
As far as “impotent”? Nope, and unlike you I can still see my own feet.

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”’M”’

15 December 2018

,,,Trumpsingles,,,right up Todd’s alley

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